What's the most influential shoujo of all time?

Alice in Wonderland.

>>159729836
I'm referring to Japan's anime/manga industry.

>>159729761
Has there ever been worse character designs?

>>159730433
What else are we talking about? It is the most influential to anime/manga.

Cutie Honey

>>159730483
>not loving classic shoujo character design
You are a true loser.

>>159730680
That's shonen you retard.

>>159730739
>but muh demography.

>>159730879
Who're you quoting?

>>159730483
Shoujo aesthetics are honestly so fucked

>>159731706
>implying
Shoujo art is the absolute best. I love how over the top and detailed everything is.

>>159729761
Princess Knight, Dezaki and then Ikuhara ontop of that both built everything from that point.

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>>159732145
Unironically this

Ace wo Nerae was really influential or Sports Shoujo, and influenced and was parodied widely, but Princess Knight was kinda the progenitor of it all

>>159730680
You're thinking of Magical Girls

>>159729836
Honourable mention, Alice in Wonderland has probably had the most influence on shoujo out of all western literature

>>159732145
I'm amazed at how almost anything manga related can be traced back to Tezuka.

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>>159732145
>>159732435
Though influenced extremely heavily by Princess Knight, I feel like Lady Oscar was kind of the catalyst point that turned Tezuka's original vision into a more "Modern" style Shoujo aesthetic. The story elements are very similar, with Sapphire being a little bit more eccentric than Oscar, but I feel like everything down to the over complicated love polygon thing going on has been emulated in almost every mainstream shoujo since.

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>>159732435
>influential or Sports Shoujo

>>159732435
I watched Gunbuster two hours ago, it's a homage to this, right?

>>159732589
He's by far the most important pioneer of story manga.

>>159733272
>homage
It's a pretty blatant repackaging, yes.

>>159733272
>Ace wo Nerae!
>Top wo Nerae!
Wow Anon, I think you may be on to something.

>>159733320
>>159733321
>18:37:00
>18:37:00
hivemind post time

>>159733272
>Gunbuster
>The Cutie Honey movie
>Idolized Ikuhara
>Married a mangaka who made something heavily inspired by Meg the Witch.
Hideki Anno really loves Shoujo content, huh?

>>159733431
I think he likes mecha and monster movies more though.

>>159729761
Inuyasha

>>159729761
Your pic, Heart of Thomas, Itazura na Kiss, HYD. I'd tentatively say Princess Knight, too, but I know very little about shoujo manga around that time or earlier, so I can't actually back that up.

>>159733847
Oh, and Mahoutsukai Sally, I'm retarded.

>>159732861
It's this, this is the most influential.

>>159732145
>Dezaki and then Ikuhara ontop of that both built everything from that point.
What sort of anime-centric viewpoint is this? Are we pretending the 24-gumi don't exist, or what?

>>159734205
I don't know shit about manga to be honest with you. Never had much of an interest in it. So it is hardly surprising that someone who does might see my viewpoint as anime centric.

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>>159730483
>>159731706
the characters just need to toughen up

>>159732861
shit, meant "for", not "or", meaning that it greatly influenced sports-related shoujo manga and anime that followed it

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>>159729761
Here are some of them.

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>>159729761
Everything Ikeda drew.

Chikako Urano essentially ushered in the shoujo era.

>>159732753
THIS
End of thread

>>159733321
But I didn't expect to be more than the name.
Oota is such Munataka rip-off, hilarious.

Sailor Moon/Sakura CardCaptor

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>>159735060
>Munataka rip-off
Munakata isn't that original himself, either. Besides the whole terminal illness storyline.

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Poe Clan completely changed the way shoujo manga was published but Heart of Thomas has some of the most iconic drawings, like this.

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>>159729761
The Most Holy Shoujo Maria

>>159736208
yeppo

>>159736116
Vive la france

>>159736116
Why was MA such a bitch?

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>About to post Chihayafuru
>It's Josei

Anyway, Lovely Complex,KareKano, Love so Life and Nana

>>159738065
>influential

>>159738065
Only Nana.

>>159735133
this. saying it's VnB or AnW is like saying ashita no joe was more influential than evangelion. pretty much "k" the post.

>>159730689
Classic shoujo art is pretty atrocious my man.

>>159739234
Nah, you're just a pleb.

Rose of Versailles

>>159738065
It's good but too new to be Influential.

>>159729761
Me

>>159733591
Inuyasha is a shonen

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>>159729761
Isn't that obvious?

If I think about what traits of shoujo ended up spreading most into other areas of the industry I think yuri and mahou shoujo. For yuri Oniisama e, Marimite. For mahou shoujo Ribon no Kishi, Sailor Moon.
It's sad not much is being pumped out for female audiences in either genre anymore. The 00s were a great time for modern mahou shoujo targeted at the older children audience like Shugo Chara, Tokyo Mew Mew, Sugar Sugar Rune, etc. That trend just vanished into thin air.

>>159732861

Holy shit where the FUCK can I find this in the original japanese?

>>159730680
>>159732435
If you were thinking of Magical Girls then it would be Mahou Shoujo Sally, not Cutie Honey.

>>159732753
I might be wrong, but I've always considered Versailles no Bara more like a josei than a shoujo. Even if you put it into shoujo it is clearly meant for the bigger girls.

>>159734685
Is this a self-made list? Could some of the ones that aren't well-known be explained? (I tried Hot Road and it was alright, stopped after a few chapters.)

>>159746169
Versailles ran in a shoujo magazine so it's shoujo. Magazine demographic really means jack shit. Even among magazines for a certain demographic you'll have ones that target older or younger age groups. There are shoujo magazines out there that explicitly target adult women; it all comes down to the image an individual magazine wants to promote.

>>159745077
>Shugo Chara, Tokyo Mew Mew, Sugar Sugar Rune
>all Nakayoshi manga
>closest spiritual successor Kigurumi Guardians still on hiatus
Anyway, idols happened.

>>159747021
>Kigurumi Guardians
I was literally thinking of that as I wrote the post. Hoshino Lily was so close to saving us.

>>159746842
Well, that was kinda my point. It's marketed as shoujo, but I think a woman in the late teens would appreciate it much more than a prepubescent one.

>>159729761
Show had some good music desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl7JOUgLG8Y&t=189s

>>159731706
I liked 90s Shojo aesthetics like Kodomo no Omocha and Itazura na Kiss

>>159731775
If you want over the top detail you read Seinen manga

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>>159749918
I'm mostly talking about this shit

>>159749970
Yeah I don't like that ugly as fuck 70s art-style.

>>159745476
on my hard drive ;-)

Sailor Moon?

>>159751040
Wrong.

SM took elements from almost all the Shoujos mentioned in the thread.

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Glass no Kamen.

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I love the roughness in the first anime.
>it worked for Joe
>what do you mean it's for girls