Is anyone a match for the shagster?
Reminder that Son Goku is beautiful.
Will these two ever have a rematch? Is Goku currently capable of defeating Beerus?
I still don't get why they opted to do this, to go to a world they're unfamilliar with where their awkward counterparts lived who never befriended the same people as they did because they never had a war against Goku Black, when they could've just remained in the "main" universe. Trunks already knows the Z warriors of that universe, and the Vegeta of that universe has even accepted said future Trunks as his own son. Hell, the Trunks and Mai of that universe are children so it's even easier to tell the present and future ones apart from eachother.
It would be a somewhat justified way to keep a fan favorite character part of the main cast. Goku already fucking transported the Zeno of that timeline with him, why not Trunks and Mai?
>According to Toriyama after BOG SSG Goku is a 7, Beerus a 10 and Whis a 15
>According to Beerus himself, during BOG he used 70% (or was it 80%?) of his power
>SSGSS is SSG with a power increase of a factor 50
This power is multiplied by 20 due to Kaioken x 20
>Somehow Goku still isn't a match for Beerus
>Sounds of (laughs) in the distance
Toyocuck pls, are you going to tell me the manga is going to end differently? Toriyama is a hack.
Would have been better to just kill them both.
Having them near their children selves would have been weird and just going to an alt future where Black never happened would have caused a huge time paradox
Reminder that Shousa in one sniff proved to be more competent than the entire U9 team.
>most beautiful transformation ever in Dragon Ball
>cheapened by the fact that he already
transformed when he was talking with goku in hell in the episode before
What the fuck toei??
They shouldn't have erased him.
Let's see how this stuff will be handled in the manga. The anime ending was rushed as fuck, they wanted to be done with that arc as soon as possible and it ended up being horseshit.
Raising the saiyan population in the future
>"Like give it up Jiren, you lost from the start."
>Not using the powerscale given to us directly by the author
>Not expecting SSGSS to work the same as supersaiyan when it's super saiyan with god ki and neither the author nor the canon story has given us a single reason to believe otherwise
>Not expecting that Toriyama is a hack who hasn't written consistent power scaling since the Saiyan saga
Wait, those shoes...
>not knowing the Tori makes up db as it goes
This is as direct as a multiplier we got in any form of super
Make room for the real Chad of U7
Honestly I was surprised how fast universe 9 jobbed, considering Basil was one of the MVPs of the first episode. I expected us to go at least a few more eps before any universe got wiped, but I guess they had to establish the stakes early.
I don't even remember where they said they were going. So everyone died in the timeline, but they went back to when everyone was still alive or a duplicate of the main timeline with Goku and shit?
>they wanted to be done with that arc as soon as possible and it ended up being horseshit.
If that is true, why did they waste so much time with the back-and-forth time travel retreating, and the fucking Mafuba?
They went to their own timeline's past, i.e. Trunks was training with Shin to beat Buu when Black attacked, so he'd just kill Black there, while Beerus would take care of Zamasu.
>but everyone else except them and Bulma is still dead.
This is the part I don't understand. So they are living in an apocalyptic universe with nobody on the planet except Bulma, 2 Mais, 2 future Trunks. What the fuck was the point in going back to a timeline with only them in it? I thought they went back before everyone was dead?
To be honest. With both of those trunks there and zamasu and dabura both showing up, there's no way that fat buu wouldn't have been resurrected.
Entire ending was god awful stupid.
There's an entire timeline missing a trunks and a mai.
They went to a "copy" of their timeline but before Black showed up and fucked with Earth, there are still plenty of people alive in it. What that anon meant is that the only main characters alive are Bulma, Trunks and Mai
>So they are living in an apocalyptic universe with nobody on the planet except Bulma, 2 Mais, 2 future Trunks.
what the fuck?. they went to a timeline that was exactly like future trunks', with goku's heart virus and humanity decimated by the androids, but where zamasu never killed everyone.
humanity survived the androids. did you watch either Z or Super at all? they were rebuilding very nicely before Zamasu/Black came and murdered everyone again. thats why there were survivors in Black arc in the first place. it wasn't literally just bulma, trunks, and mai left after the androids.
Whis fucked with time by going to trunks universe, then going back in time before zamasu showed up and dropping off trunks and mai. Then telling beerus about black and zamassu.
Now there is a timeline where goku and trunks killed the universe and a timeline with two trunks and mai's.
I watched both. So it is the future Gohan timeline future Trunks is originally from but what does Buu have to do with it? How do you know Buu would be getting awakened at all? Because it was the order of events that happened in the real timeline?
When the fuck did this happen?
>Now there is a timeline where goku and trunks killed the universe
Isn't this timeline practically irrelevant now because Zeno blew it up?
>and a timeline with two trunks and mai's
But what timeline is this? What happens next for them? If everything is blown to shit by the Androids, they are just chilling in a fucked up planet? So just Goku would be dead, not all the Z fighters?
Future Trunks explains that before Goku Black showed up, he had fought and killed Babidi and Dabura.
Supreme Kai got killed in this fight, which meant Beerus died, and Black saw it as the perfect timeline and universe to go to because it lacked a god of destruction
There's no telling what exactly happens in the new future timeline, but old future Trunks was enough to stop it so him plus ANOTHER Trunks should do fine, if old Trunks even has to step in at all. Black came after it was resolved, so he has no effect on the events.
It was at least mentioned in the anime, but the manga showed Shin warning Trunks about Buu, training him with the z-sword, and then the two go fight Babidi and Dabura. Z-sword is turned to stone by Dabura's spit and shattered so Old Kai died, and Shin dies, which spurs Trunks to go SSJ2 and kill Dabura and Babidi.
Have you not seen the anime or read the manga?
Anyways, after Trunks killed Cell in his timeline, Shin called him up to stop Babbidi from resurrecting Buu, Trunks managed to do so, but Shin died in the process, this also killed Beerus. Black soon appeared and the Zamasu arc happened. After the end of the arc, only Trunks and Mai survived, they then used the time machine to go back to their own timeline, probably around the time when he was training to fight Buu or something. This way, he would prevent Shin's death which means Beerus survived who would deal with Zamasu and Black.
>Isn't this timeline practically irrelevant now because Zeno blew it up?
But that timeline still exists becuase goku and trunks still went there and found zeno floating in oblivion.
>But what timeline is this? What happens next for them? If everything is blown to shit by the Androids, they are just chilling in a fucked up planet? So just Goku would be dead, not all the Z fighters?
Future Trunks timeline. See Whis specifically states that they go back just far enough in time to before black and zamassu shows up. Never actually goes to that universe and becomes a savior or anything. Just far enough into the past to route the rogue kaoishin and his alternate timeline fuckbuddy.
So now there are two trunks and two mai's.
Why they didn't go to the cell timeline I'll never know.
>But what timeline is this?
The timeline Trunks goes to after Zeno kills his
>What happens next for them?
No one will probably ever know
>If everything is blown to shit by the Androids, they are just chilling in a fucked up planet?
How Trunks handled the androids/Cell is still the same, they start differing with the events of the Black arc. Humanity survived and rebuilt after the androids.
>So just Goku would be dead, not all the Z fighters?
Androids still happened, Z-fighters still dead, Trunks still came back and killed them after having experienced up to the Cell Games in the past
So I wouldn't be alone in thinking they handled this poorly and it became needlessly convoluted? They used a total of at least 4 timelines for this? 1 being the "empty timeline" Zeno destroyed?
yes, everyone keeps saying that Trunks could have just stayed in the present timeline with people who know and care about him instead of fucking shit up even more and making another timeline which is what caused all this shit to begin with
None of this makes sense to me.I still don't understand Goku absorbing the essence. The scaling feels so off to me. We're told that everyone is so much stronger than the Buu Saga characters like Buuhan and Vegito but it doesn't feel that way all. When Goku went to SSJ3, it shook the world. Gotenks and Buu could rip through dimensions. But Super Sayian Blue Vegito didn't have any impressive feats. You'd think he would break the universe by powering up considering how much stronger Goku and Vegeta and the new god transformation.
I'm pretty sure they're just going to bring the furfag universe back and restore them after the tournament anyway. All of that shit will get retconned and it will be like the stakes never mattered after the fact. The Jiren fight better be better than the Zamazu arc because it was literally the only good fight we've had in 98 episodes.
I don't get why Toei is putting everything through a filter. I mean, I do get it. They want to make it look like DBZ because they realized their new style was dogshit and everyone hated it. What I don't get is why they don't just fucking animate like DBZ then. Why use the filter at all? It's not like it's any harder to just change the style.
What do ya think Beerus did before he became a GoD?
Presumably lived in U10 and was a complete piece of ningen shit considering the complete piece of divine shit he's ended up as.
I don't think it's a crutch when Evil Goku and Immortal Kiwi show up and nuke the world with forms that aren't even supposed to EXIST in your timeline
I really don't care for the tribal wars so I'll say I think it's cool there's a timeline with two Trunks and Mais, since that significantly ups their ability to protect things and it's a neat time fuckery situation
>I don't think it's a crutch when Evil Goku and Immortal Kiwi show up and nuke the world with forms that aren't even supposed to EXIST in your timeline
The only reason they showed up in the first place is because Trunks was abusing time travel.
U4 is going to be the next universe to be eliminated.
Ironically, U10 won't be eliminated until pretty late in the tournament, however they will be whittled down, losing 1 or 2 fighters to each universe that gets eliminated for the purpose of giving that universe's main fighters some time to shine before they get taken out.
What I'm saying here is that U10 will literally be the jobber team, their fighters will literally do nothing but lose to fighters from other universes to show how strong they are so that the fight between those characters and U7 is more compelling.
Vegeta is so losing to Jiren. It's not even funny anymore it's just a well-worn tick box. "Vegeta loses to [New Arc Rival]", color in the lines, and off we go. Oh look Vegeta lost again. *yawn*
How is Beerus going to react when Champa gets erased?
I'm still holding for the finale, since they mentioned SEVERAL teams being able to be present to see who's left, consisting of the remnants of U7, U6, U10, and U11 still dragging it out like a bunch of sweaty exhausted terrified hamsters in a maze while those left on the stands scream their throats raw.
>HAHAHAH! HAH! HAAA! YOU'RE ERASED! YO- he's gone. He's gone and even my memory of him is starting to be erased. It's all gone. We're all going to cease to exist. I'm fucked. I'M FUCKED.
I like this idea, but let's be honest, most of this tournament will just be U7 fighting the other universe's teams in succession, they don't have the ability or the budget to do a true battle royale
Ok so we know and you know and they know and we all know the angels are the final boss, and up to something. So what's the plan exactly? What does erasing mortals do for them besides less paperwork and tremendous orgasms from the terror of the erased as they're torn screaming from the child god's nightmare playground? Is it to overthrow Zeno? Murder mortals down to a tiny pool and start over? Just erase them ALL and have nothing left?
jesus beerus is about to get an ice cold wake up call for how badly he did his job and how poorly he's treated everyone
shortly before he is erased crying and begging for mercy as Whis pets his head
This>>159695496 I know he's a tripfag but it's fucking amazing how he's the only one who realizes that numerical power levels do not scale linearly with power output.
Really even on the simplest scale of speed vs powerlevel
Do people not even understand the simple logic that if people where moving at relativistic speeds that even a tiny power level difference would be enough to annihilate an opponent.
I mean shit guys for example if
1mil PL let you move at 1% of c, and it was totally linear and 2mil let you move at 2% of c. You'd obliterate the opponent because in the time it takes your punch to move towards you you could run a mile wide circle and end up back in the same place. Hell you could do that with a much smaller gap.
The fact is there is no indication of a linear scale nor any logical reason why it should be linear.
Well yeah, but that's what I said! That's the genius of it. You don't show the ones left from 6-7-10-11 until there's only like three left to each team near the end, THEN focus on them together, so you can have a few of those moments where there's no SFX and the music is all heavy and shit while they begin to off one another one by one as the end draws in.
Know what the best part is?
Even winning the tourney is no good. All it means is that you're a shithole hated universe who gets to survive under the endless watch of the angels and remaining snide gods, which means you'll just end up erased in a few months anyways.
I've said this before but I actually think it's far simpler and less nefarious than that.
The Grand Priest is merely doing what he can to guide Zeno to cultivate the multiverse to a level that meets what he believes are the right standards. There's no hate or malice in it, he just thinks that Zeno being a child needs guidance in which universes to erase and when.
Basically, Grand Priest thinks that Zeno should erase the universes that are below a certain level of quality to start fresh. He's been encouraging Zeno to do this for quite some time now in fact. However Goku threw a small wrench into his plan when he put the idea in Zeno's head about a tournament, so the Grand Priest is just finding a way to make it work.
People talking about the Grand Priest being evil are off base, it's less evil and more that he has a standard that he believes the universes need to live up to.
Also I think the Grand Priest doesn't like Goku for putting this whole tournament idea in Zeno's head and being so disrespectful all the time. I think that is what all the looks he's been giving Goku are about.
I think that this arc will come to a head when the Grand Priest ends up telling Zeno to erase Goku and Zeno saying that he doesn't want to because he likes Goku, which will cause the Grand Priest to finally lose his cool.
>The Grand Priest is merely doing what he can to guide Zeno to cultivate the multiverse to a level that meets what he believes are the right standards. There's no hate or malice in it, he just thinks that Zeno being a child needs guidance in which universes to erase and when.
YOU SAW THE FUCKING SMILES
YOU KNOW THAT'S BULLSHIT
The Grand Priest's smiles are about Goku, as I said, he doesn't like Goku and this whole tournament is because of Goku. Otherwise he could have just convinced Zeno to erase all the sub-par universes instead of all but 1 sub-par universe. He doesn't like Goku and the smiles are his smug way of saying "Well how about that, we're erasing the universes in spite of your meddling".
Notice how he's almost always looking directly at Goku when he's smiling, it's literally because he hates Goku specifically. I guarantee you there's no grand plot or resentment towards Zeno involved in what the Grand Priest is doing, he's just doing his job and hates Goku.
>told the others to leave the girls to him
Has he really done it? Has he already achieved musoutensei?
Mojito's smile was because he specifically hated his GoD and Kaioshin on an individual level. As everyone already knew. So of course he was happy to see them go.
Also I am not an angel, there is no one behind the curtain, please calm down. Nothing is amiss here.
They're on vacation
Makes sense considering Goku brought back another Zeno to babysit. I would hate the person who made my job twice as hard.
consider reading over his post one more time
YOU FUCK THEY'RE ALL GONNA KNOW AND FIND OUT, THEY'RE ALL GONNA PUNCHMAN DEICIDE YOU INTO THE NEXT GODDAMN DIM- wait can angels die maybe not so this makes sense for once NEXT DIMENSION AND THEN YOU'LL BE S*erased*
>"Jiren, is it? It doesn't matter what your name is, you already lost."
How fucked would Limit Break Goku be if Beerus went 100%?
I could agree with all of this and see that really being the case, with the one exception that I think erasing entire universes full of people because they don't meet his standards is pretty evil.
I need to see Gowasu livestreaming this shit for at least one episode
Just set it up as a gag episode where it's all drawn in faux-recorded style as he commentates and deals with youtube chat
>"Fight you Jiren? No, I'm going to job to you."
>"Ehehehehehe, who said anything about fighting Caulifla? I'm here to rape you."
If there were 18 universes then why are U1 and U12 twins? Shouldn't U1 and U18 be twins? For example instead of U6 and U7 it should be U6 and U13. Is Tori just retarded?
We don't know which universes were erased, or how, or why, or what happened after to adjust the fabric of reality to it. So who can say. For all we know, some of these universes used to be part of a pair that's now lost.
Just chillin here, waiting for the episode where Beerus sees his brother disappear
>that awkward moment where U6 and U7 have to murder each other into total erasure while they sit with each other on the stands
>"ch-champa.. I.. "
>flashback of the two as young kittens playing in a grassy field before walking hand-in-hand with their mother to meet their angels
>young whis picks up beerus and nuzzles him
>young vados pokes champa's stomach and comments about him drinking too much milk
>scene ends with the two being pulled away from each other, arms extended as if to protest their separation
>flashback ends and beerus powers up and charges towards a fading champa
get ready to feels
Since Krillin's elimination is confirmed, let's check who is going down next
If 1 Goku gets eliminated
If 2 Vegeta gets eliminated
If 3 Piccolo gets eliminated
If 4 Gohan gets eliminated
If 5 Master Roshi gets eliminated
If 6 Tien Shinhan gets eliminated
If 7 Android 18 gets eliminated
If 8 Android 17 gets eliminated
If 9 Frieza gets eliminated
If 0 Yamcha jobs offscreen
Dubs or more, character not only gets defeated, but he jobs in an espectacular way.
>Whis such a canny little meddlesome cock that he'd incite a bloody divine rebellion JUST to play a joke on his dad
whis n' vados a best
can't cheat whiskey
There used to be triplet universes
Omni king decided to check doubles instead
friendly reminder that Zamasu is the best thing to happen to Dragon Ball and all anime.
DB VR, gameplay starts 4 minutes in.
>want the angels to be the final villains of dragonball
>but also dont want them to be because toei will ruin it, toyo will take 20 fucking years to finish it and ill just keep getting flashbacks to the shadow dragons
who /hopeless/ here
Seems pretty cool, but the full body tracking stuff looks clunky and awkward to wear. Why can't they invent something like gloves that can act as hand and finger tracking instead of those really awkward set ups.
Throughout all of his career, Toriyama-sensei has been a, to say the least, a very conflicted person/writer.
He has no problem whatsoever drawing – porn mags, panties, ripped clothes and underage boobies.
But when it comes to stuff as two people kissing each other on the lips he starts shaking like a leaf.
But why tho?
>caulifla goes blue
>effortlessly blows vegeta out of the arena
do you remember if this was said in general as in "there is a ningen stronger than the GoDs" or specifically stronger only than their universe's hakaishin? (so maybe thair GoD is just really shitty)
>I wish everyone in my universe was stronger than me
Mortal level refers to moral quality, not power level. Clues pointing to this direction:
>Bergamot in the preliminaries stated that Goku's power level was the lowest of all. What did he mean by this, that Goku is weak or that Goku is an asshole?
>The four highest ranking universes are exempt from participating. Why would the tournament exclude the four strongest universes? Not having the four most moral universes in the tournament would make sense, because they would still be able to lose despite being morally superior because that doesn't automatically translate to strength
>The character profiles of the four highest ranking universe's GoDs mostly refer to how they do their job well and destroy evil shit. This is not coincidence.
>U6 ranks higher than U7 even though during the Champa arc, U6' team was full of chumps other than Hit
Wishign for a higher mortal level means nothing for power.
Ladies and gentleman. Your Universal Survival Tournament dark horse.
So what was the point of them going ss if they were just going to end up jobbing for Goku and be completely irrelevant from here on out?
Does Akira Toriyama prefer the Super anime, or the Super manga?
Will he have an honorable sendoff with Goku when his universe gets deleted?
>give me an undershirt. tease me a little. my word.
>universe about to be deleted
>he time-skips through his own deletion
>every else erased but he's still there because he bypassed it
>hides behind the pillar and eliminates a battered Goku to win the tournament for his fallen comrades
>wishes them back
>they can now preserve their most important characters
I also think he prefers the anime but my reasoning is that he decided to not return to Manga for BoG and RoF, and then worked an the development of the Super anime before they even planned a Manga.
How will vegeta react to seeing saiyans being erased right in front of him
Are you guys ready for some tingling action?
Not really, the only thing that's confirmed is that she asks Goku to teach her how to do it in the middle of the tournament. It doesn't say anything about whether or not she actually gets taught how to do SSB.
SSB Caulifla is literally not confirmed.
It really isn't. All we know is Kale is going to ask Goku to teach them how to become SSB, nothing at all says Kale will ever go SSB,. They could learn from Goku and end up becoming SSJ3 or some other new form.
>Everyone arguing over whether Goku would actually try to teach her SSB in the middle of the tournament
>Turns out that it's neither because before Goku can answer Kale loses her shit due to seeing Caulifla talking to someone else and being happy and autisms all over the screen
I guarantee it, Goku will get half way through a sentence before Kale goes full autism rage and tries to kill him for talking to Caulifla.
Why would Goku teach Caulifla how to transform when the conditions for his victory mean she would be erased, and teaching her how to transform would heighten the chances U6 would win, and thus the chances HE would be erased.
he didn't give a shit about his own saiyans
why would he give a shit about a different universe saiyans?
the only one he even knows and interacted with is cabba
Wanna bet, morons? This series is so predictable it hurts. Toei would do anything to make toys and merch out of every new asspull form they give you fucking shills.
Keep sucking Toei's dicks and keep watching your underage fan-fic show.
I don't really have a problem with tingles. Kale is already extremely powerful, probably around SSJ3 level... chances are she probably could go SSJ anytime but just never tried. Gotenks could do it easily too.
Also, if a strong emotion is needed to unlock it, Kale's could be an extreme determination
I'll let you know when I figure it out for myself
Calm down with the autism kid. Literally none of those posts mentioned Toei yet here you are crying on about them for whatever reason. Caulifla isn't getting SSB in this tournament.
and caulifa was already one of the strongest saiyans in u6.
they just didn't even know super saiyan existed.
kale is hamped by being shy and being afraid.
but once angry she turns into a beast
Chill, autist. You're missing the fucking point. If it ends up happening, it ends up happening, in fact chances are it will happen. That doesn't make it *confirmed*, in this moment.
Also love how we're suddenly toei-shills who buy all the toys when YOU are the one pushing for a new form, not us.
Kill yourself you fucking retard
No. Caulifla is Broly now.
Think of it like how the new star wars canon incorporates old EU concepts. In the EU, Thrawn was an imperial alien admiral active *after* the battle of Endor, while in the canon he is active *before the battle of Yavin, but after the clone wars*.
Or how Kylo Ren is basically Jacen Solo
This is exactly what I'm talking about you idiot, no one is defending anything, you're just pulling a strawman argument because no matter how you slice it, Kale becoming SSB simply isn't confirmed.
That's what this about. Not the quality or lack-there-of of the show, but of (You) being a fucking retard. Period.
I think tingles would have been fine if they took the time to expand upon the nature of U6 Saiyans compared to U7.
>their evolutionary process left them absent of a tail due to the fact that they developed uninterrupted by a galactic warlord, and in a much more efficient manner
>thus their potential and power has been compressed inside them as opposed to only activated under the effects of a full moon and at the cost of a complete loss of control
>because of this they don't rely on anger to transform, rather a process of intuitive use of the ki already inside them
Just some shit like that would've made tingles fine.
How can Caulifla go Blue? She doesn't have God ki so she'll have to get in the friendship circle but they need 6 saiyans to do it which means the only way she'll be able to do it is if Gohan and Vegeta help. Plus she'd have to hold Goku's hand which will trigger Kale's autism beyond belief
A) Has her saiyans perform the ritual for her
B) Has that mystical Whis training to unlock it
Personally I think Vegeta just had the ritual performed on him between episodes, before he leaves to train with Whis, ala the manga.
>they need Gohan and Vegeta
Yep, they do. What's stopping them? Vegeta would be down, Goku could convince Gohan. Simple.
>when Trunks comes to the current timeline, have them perform an SSGod ritual to give him a quick power-boost
>it fails because vengeance and sorrow has tainted his heart or some shit
>he trains with Whis briefly
>his ascension to SS Rage is now due to the failed God ritual unlocking a portion of godly power and Whis training giving him a fundamental subconscious grasp of it, resulting in a rage-induced false Godlike state
>Zamasu doesn't go melty until the fight with Vegito
>fight with Vegito is ten minutes and Zamasu afterwards is far more fucked
>Goku and Vegeta flicker into Blue as they funnel energy to Trunks, indicating they're sending him far more against a far weaker Zamasu
Would this have mostly saved the Trunks arc's finale?
and when grand priest loses his cool
zeno erases him and then asks goku to be the new grand priest.
goku will decline and frieza jumps at the opportunity
what if instead of ssj blue
kale getting knocked out or out of the ring
causes caulifa to unlock her own ssj rage form?
You must control your tingles if you want to achieve this transformation, Caulifla.
Let them flow to every crack and part of you.
Reminder that SSG is best form just like Vegeta is best saiyan
what would look better for caulifa
the red ssj god hair or the blue ssj blue hair?
one of the destroyed one's
but Shaggy is just so powerfull he survived
Are we ever going to see this form of Kale before she gets one shotted by Jiren?
Or maybe this is what Caulifla transforms into but the artists got it all mixed up?
yeah it's odd we haven't see that form yet.
unless the manga decides to use that instead of the broly form
ssj3 = extreme ki consumption
useless in a long fight
ultra super saiyan = big muscles that only give power and makes you slow as fuck
also keep in mind that current toriyama and toei don't like using big muscles, hence why most characters have noodle arms and legs
Remove the armour and visualize his body. It's way too sleek and weird, like a cross between a feminine and boy body.
It's making me think of those weird worm aliens in Men in Black.
He drew it too skinny in that chapter
He looks perfect in the next one
the difference between ussj and lssj is that
ussj only pumps up your muscles
lss also increased broly's height and body structure
so broly wasn't only stronger but also faster
That pissed off Super-Gohan isn't canon, pure filler
And Vegeta was always way stronger when he's pissed off. It wasn't enough to beat Cell but still
it's funny though
gohan's whole thing as a kid was
his autism rage boost along with punching people off guard.
then in super it's suddenly vegeta who has rage boosts
Funny thing is, that world still has a living Zamasu, and as a result, Goku Black will eventually show up again anyway. And it's explained away by Whis making a vague promise that Beerus and he will do "something" about it.
I almost get the impression the whole point of that was to give Super a potential out if they ever want Black to return, and that's literally the only reason.
whis told trunks and mai that he will contact the god of destruction of that world/time line. so they will stop zamasu
Where are the 2 Zeno bodyguards? Also, they also died in the Trunks timeline?
> Regarded as one of the strongest Saiyans in her entire Universe
> Which says a lot because this is a Universe where Saiyans aren't extinct
> Not to mention that it's a Universe that ranks higher than Universe 7 (if that means anything)
> Therefore she has to have an extremely high base power-level
Is it really that odd that Caulifla is able to achieve SS2 with ease?
She already had the power to do so. All she really needed was a method after learning that the transformation exists.
>Also, they also died in the Trunks timeline?
No. Zeno's bodyguards are actually immensely stronger than Zeno and are his gay adoptive fathers. They are the true final bosses of Dragon Ball Super; Caulifla was introduced so Goku had someone worthy to fight them alongside, as Vegeta is a lifetime jobber and a cuckold.
A traditional pairing of Male and Female will triumph over degenerate homosexuality. This is Toriyama's end-game.
You have been woke.
Still makes more sense than this
you just know she will treat goku the same as she does cabba
she is friendly to him, then learns super saiyan and treats him like shit
if she learns ssj god or ssj blue, she will revert to treating goku like shit
Like whatever you say man but you got any Scooby snacks?
Still makes more sense than Vegeta being PURE EVIL (he wasn't; he was just a dick)
>can either wish for a life time supply of scooby snacks. or wish scooby and his friends back to life
No. It makes perfect sense, but autists just have it locked into their heads that SSJ takes 1.5 seasons to unlock, unless you're born with it. Then it's okay for some reason.
The tingling thing I can see, because the information was delivered in a really poor way. There should have been some allusion to chakra / ki points beforehand in the season. The whole point was just that u6 saiyans haven't discovered SSJ before because they behave and think a little differently, but they didn't give enough of an explanation or setup to make it not look like random bullshit.
doctor brief probaly made a wish to keep her eternally young
Tenshinhan is going to last BARE MINIMUM one episode longer than Krillin.
It feels semi-good to be a Tienfag right now...
Maybe Jiren just knocks her out and we'll see it later?
You apparently needed to be "pure of heart" to achieve SS
Goku was pure good (which is why he was able to ride the nimbus)
No one questioned Future Trunks
Vegeta said he was pure evil, which isn't remotely true. He wasn't evil, let alone PURE evil. He was just a cocky asshole
Well, no where does it say in the spoilers that she gets disqualified or eliminated which are two common terms used 100% of the time so far in the arc.
Jiren 'defeating' Kale can just be him stopping her rampage enough so she's barely conscious or some shit.
it's actualy true that toriyama got butthurt that toei gave kale a broly looking form.
he doesn't like that broly is so popular.
so he quickly came up with caulifa and reduced kale to the background
Face it, Kale is a meme character. She has nothing going for her besides her Broly form. She's going to have her one half episode of fame sperging out.
It's literally been proven that japs hated the Kale reveal, so they made a last minute change to have her join the Pride Troopers, but everyone hated that too so they pulled Cauli out of their asses to not have the first female super saiyan be a femBroly.
>not pictured, gohan already being at the bottom of that trashcan
This man comes up and slaps your oneitis on the ass
What do you do, /a/?
cry because he just deleted them
Reminder that Broly being canon is imminent
> 4D amusement park ride showcasing God Broly and Audienceku
What's next Goku and Vegeta somehow mention Broly or at least the transformation in Super after seeing Kale go berserk ?
half the internet will explode and most of 4chan (mostly the gohanfags) will rage if broly's name gets mentioned by someone in the serie.
Nothing wrong with this.
She's Goku's counterpart, if Goku never left Planet Vegeta, the Saiyans weren't barbaric, and if the Saiyans never became extinct.
Of course her base power is ridiculously high.
Even the retired captain of the elite Sadla Defense Forces said she has a much higher potential than him. She's not an ordinary Saiyan.
>Kale goes berzerk
>Just to fuck with Broly fans, Toriyama specifically tells the anime writers to make Goku say "Never seen anything like that before" via napkin scribbles
>Brolyfags go nuclear
This would honestly be more fun because a line like that specifically confirming that they've never seen that shit before would have obviously been included on purpose just to spite people who like Broly.
> Kale episode
> She becomes the She-Broly transformation
> Goku and no one mentions that she looks like Broly or someone familiar
Watch this happen and a bunch of Brolyfags rage
Broly will never be canon
I want Janemba
His final form is the best movie villain design and his attacks were all stylish, unique and cool. I would love a Janemba homage character, even as just the villain of a small 10 episode long arc between longer arcs.
i don't mind either way if broly's name gets mentioned or not.
i like movie 8, and some parts of movie 10
and in a way he would have been a better villain then cell was for the unlocking of super saiyan 2
>Tambourine and Kami made it into the sequel
janemba could work in the serie
a reality warping demon
hell they could even introduce towa and have her be his creator or something
Why is roshi stronger than Tien? Tien got to kikoho semi-perfect cell lots of times after spending the last 5-10 years training, after Roshi explicitly said the entire generation surpassed him and then spent the rest of Z watching hentai
Why did Roshi shitstomp tien so badly? I haven't even seen Tien at all in the last two episodes, who at Toei hates him so much?