Why did Asuka come back at the end of EoE if she was eaten instead of tanged?
Her remains were tanged. Misato did blow up in pieces and but we later see her shirt soaked in LCL, so its safe to assume her pieces got tanged.
Kaji died about 10 days before and he shows up in the TV instrumentality.
>Analyzing End of Eva on the surface plot
Honestly there is only one contradiction in the show on the surface (that I can remember). When shinji gets turned into tang when his sync went 300%, he was in his casual clothes in the EVA, yet in the next episode the only thing remaining in the plug is his plugsuit.
I don't really care too much about it to be honest, seeing as the whole production was a massive shit show.
Nope thats an old autistic fan theory.
The pilots have souls, except for probably Rei (who is a fragment of Lilith's soul with physical remains of Yui DNA)
The units have the souls of their mothers trapped inside of them, which is why they are protective and able to sync with them. Rei can sync without having a mother because she is part lilith.
If we're counting continuity errors instead of direct contradictions of the series' own internal logic, the director's cut of episode 24 adds Kaworu being a massive dumbass and forgetting everything he learned about Adam before the end of that same episode.
Rei does have a soul, Ritsuko confirm it. This soul just so happens to be lilith's. How exactly Liliths soul ended up in Rei is never explained.
Given that Unit 00 is Adam clone, i dont think she can control it because of her origin. She can control 00 because there is another part of her soul (Rei I) inside the unit.
btw there is something similar to a deep plot on the rebuilds? aside that in this iteratión the characters have in general more will to strugle/live i don´t see a mode developed plot
>3rd impact hellscape
I dont think the world is THAT fucked. Just Asia.
I dont think the act of getting tanged (what happen when Komm Susser Todd is playing) damage things too much, just splash things with orange juice.
Meanwhile the "explosion" from third impact (the one NERV HQ bunker managed to survive at ground fucking zero) didnt seem to have hit europe and the americas.
tl;dr: Humanity will endure.
anon i have years since i left anime for doing life stuff , i still love eva for the aproach to human strugle, what anime or manga have the level of deepnes of eva you can recomend me?
My theory is that she controls unit 00 because her soul is in it and controls unit 01 because she is part lilith
Misato seem to know Rei can pilot 01 and dont seem to be into the whole guilting scheme.
Sure, it will be a climate mess, there will be famines because of ruined crops, shit will be bad, but my point is that humanity will endure. Plus instrumentality might have changed other people besides shinji, so people might be more willing to help each other during the first few months / years of post 3rd impact minimizing losses.
It doesn't exist, you can't really chase the Evangelion dragon in this medium.
for more similar to it, try Yoshitoshi Abe's work, for influences read Devilman and Childhood's End and watch Ideon, for responses try FLCL and Gurren Lagann
I think at this point 3+1 could be literally anything and I would be satisfied with it. I just want to see it, more than anything else that's yet to come out. I just want to know how it ends.
Besides all the explanations, it is ironic:
Shinji choose the hard path of going back. Suffering in search for happiness. And who is the first person who pops up next to him? The one he has the most troublesome story. (Well, its either asuka or gendo)
The largest rock in this difficult path happens to be the first one.
Not anime, neither that close to Eva's level of execution, but have you checked Taro's games (Drakengard 1, 3, Nier and Automata)?
A main theme of his works the struggle of very flawed people in a shitty world. He is not even subtle about how much Eva influenced his works.
Imagine what Khara could have been if they made one film like that and then used the mega dosh to fund Tribuster, the Royal Space Force sequel or a new IP
So much talent... wasted
Second the anon who said yoko taro's games. That's about the closest I've got. Especially nier automata.
Madoka magica also gets close in some of its better moments but you have to ignore the loli pumpkin head art style.
I dont think it would be so easy, they have a lot to make up for before even being able to call themselves friends again.
although the slow journey of their recovery would warm up my kokoro
Looking at it from Lacanian perspective, we need an outside body to affirm our being of conceptualized self, so in those last moments after all the in fighting and averting the catastrophe, after Shinkai rejects the idea that there should be no social structure or personal structure, he needs a one last anchor to really hit home the fact that he is truly a being.
Any /lit/fags here? I'm trying to find the Science Fiction story that the EoE ending scene was heavily inspired by. If I remember correctly, it's the same thing but with a collapsed angel or something in a red sea.
>Rebuild 4 comes out
>it's enterely live action like the deleted scenes of Asuka's Instrumentality without Shinji
Its clear you don't understand Evangelion if you don't see all 3 girls are awful human beings. They aren't people you can date, they would hurt you or others.
You don't understand evangelion if you don't get that even if people are horrible, "dating" them is still the best you can do. Pain is part of life, like breathing or shitting. You cannot avoid it.
No, the best you can do is NOT date them and get them serious mental help. They are child soldiers that need a trained professional who deals in psychiatry and helps traumatized teens , not romance.
Im not sure if professional help is necessary (although helpful), but they neex something more than a boyfriend. They need a true friend willing to help them overcome their problems.
If anything, romance should probably be avoided
I literally explained it on the post. In this pic everyone blew up violently into tang, painting the world red, but i dont think there is any reason to believe there is any permanent infrastructure damage.
When you wake up from instrumentality your home would still be standing, energy would still be running, etc.
>Its clear you don't understand Evangelion if you don't see all 3 girls are awful human beings
That's why people like them, they appeal directly to protective instincts. Like Asuka, she has abandonment issues, so if you don't abandon her, she'd never leave you. Rei is a vulnerable blank slate that could be changed simply by being in her life.
I'm not saying this right or that I agree with these statements. Yes it is an over simplification of their characters, yes it is ignoring their serious problems. I am just stating the simple version of why people find them appealing, so don't jump down my throat about it.
You dont understand art if you think "understanding" can be reduced to such a narrow point of view such as "every girl is an awful human being." I mean, whats the definition of a 'non-awful human being.' Like, I dont even disagree with your general point, but its overly simplified. Also, people date people who hurt them all the time. In fact, some would argue the very nature of 'dating' means you put yourself in a position to be harmed, at least emotionally.
The reasoning that flawed girls are best girls is because no normal girl would want to associate with the type of austistic spergs that browse /a/, so anon's need girls that have some serious problems and would be dependent on them since no one else would.
Why do you think disabled girls are so popular?
not that I am any different but I like Asuka and Rei so I don't like the fighting
There's a difference between 'flawed' and selfish.
Shinji and Rei and pretty much everyone else in the franchise is flawed. Asuka meanwhile knows exactly what she's doing and does it with complete sincerity. She wants Shinji to treat her like royalty while at the same time wanting him to be this brutal dominating alpha who'll hatefuck her. She completely knows she wants both these things, but she's too self absorbed and too prideful to act on either of them.
Shinji and Rei could genuinely improve with a hug and some therapy. Asuka needs to get the shit kicked out of her before she'll learn a lesson.
She even got a cheat code from Arael. She had all her flaws spelled out for her in a powerpoint show. Instead of improving herself, she gets worse.
If you want another story about an introspective look at humanity with heavy religious imagery, mandatory second viewings, and centering around broken people, read Book of the New Sun.
I still have to re-read it.
Everyone's different. Some people do well with positive reinforcement and some people need to get their insides ripped open and eaten alive. Shes not so bad. I mean she doesnt compare to Rei, but shes not awful.
Rebuild Asuka 'isn't awful'. Because she's been flanderized into a generic tsundere.
Original series Asuka was a steaming piece of shit. Her mommy dying doesn't justify her behavior no matter how much it's blamed for being the source of her dysfunction.
Rebuild Asuka is more popular than Original Asuka ever was because Rebuild Asuka is a pandering mary sue. Meanwhile Rei Q is hated by reifags
that is why asuka is the most damaged character in the serie. She in some level know the shit she is in but is unable to deal with it cause it could break her.
the funny think for my is that i married a asuka kind of a girl and don´t realice until very later.
is hard to help a person and fight her at the same times, and have gimme ery existencial moments
>Asuka meanwhile knows exactly what she's doing and does it with complete sincerity
To be fair, both shinji and misato know full well (or at least as much as asuka) what they are doing.
None of those 3 had the willpower to break free from their self hurting habits
>is hard to help a person and fight her at the same times, and have gimme ery existencial moments
Here's the thing, I weighed Asuka's behavior against the stated causes of her behavior and found her wanting. I don't give a shit that her mother killed herself. So fucking what. I wouldn't waste my time trying to help her. She can get in line behind the other 10 Million children on this planet with dead mothers.
Despite your broken english, I find this so touching. Eva is such a human story, despite all the crazy alien shit going on. Tons of people struggle with the exact same anxiety as Asuka, fully knowing what they are doing is destructive to themselves and their relationships, but they literally cant help it. Something in their brain and psyche is just fucking with them. And personally I think those types of people deserve love just as much as any other person.
When people call Rebuild asuka awful, they usually are saying she is awful as a character. little depth, boring, compared to the interesting nutcase that was original asuka
Rei got a similar treatment. She is a terribly boring generic character in 2.0 and
didnt even show up in 3.0
They might be better waifus, but man, they are way worse characters.
I agree with you, except that Rebuild Asuka is the most popular version of Asuka ever, because she was specifically pandered to.
Even waifu 2.22 Rei was more similar to Original Rei than Rebuild Asuka was to Original Asuka.
Gene Wolf, a guy who used to work as an engineer and wrote the series in secrecy so he could take his time with it. He's considered pretty influential in the science fiction community, especially since he shows a lot of his work in how the tech in the series works.
It's set in the far, far distant future after all of Earth's resources have dried up so only a vaguely medieval era standard of living can be maintained. Humanity used to have an interstellar empire, but no one remembers it. All the sci-fi is so far ahead in tech that everyone regards it in superstition. The sun is dying, so the earth (urth, in the novels) is cooler, and the sky is always at a vague sunset hue, with visible stars. The moon is green from terraforming, some people wear cloaks made from solar sails that are so dark literally no light escapes it, the nobility interbred with aliens and are eight feet tall and receive high tech "gifts" etc.
The story is framed as an autobiography of Severian, a guy who was being trained in a guild of executioners, but gets exiled because he showed mercy. He also has an eidetic memory, or so he claims. He eventually stumbles across a vaguely religious idol that no one knows where it came from, and from there things get more and more bizarre and metaphorical. It's amazing, every scene, no matter how inconsequential it seems, foreshadows the ending and themes of the book. Sometimes it seems to go out of its way to confuse you.
>An ape with the head of a dog ran down the aisle, paused at my bed to look at me, then ran on.
didnt even show up in 3.0
Sure she did.
i think we all are in some way or another a bit broken and strugling with the world, with our beloved and with our self,.
you can consider the numbers and don´t give a damn like one anon saids, and it would be a legitimate utilitarist option .
or you can embrace the struggle, the meaning inherent in the fact that all the aparent contradictions of caring and damaging, loving and hating are necesary in the act of being with the other and become something (whatever) in the process
>She even got a cheat code from Arael. She had all her flaws spelled out for her in a powerpoint show. Instead of improving herself, she gets worse.
Her flaws dont really get worse after the mind rape. She just sink further in depression and starts to give in. She doesnt have much screentime afterwards.
Who else in any medium is literally given a list of the flaws they have and how to change them? Asuka was was handed the easy way out. Does she use it? No, she decides to do pic related.
There's no justification for that.
Asuka's flaws are all first world problems.
> OHMYGOD SHINJI IS A BETTER PILOT THAN ME
So fucking what
> OHMYGOD REI IS A BETTER PILOT THAN ME
So fucking what
> OHMYGOD MY MOM IS DEAD
So fucking what
> OHMYGOD THIS POWERPOINT SHOW TELLS ME TO STOP TREATING PEOPLE LIKE SHIT
Proceeds to continue treating people like shit.
Her behavior is not justifiable.
>she's not acting 100% rationally at the age of 14 while risking her life defending the world from aliens in a giant humanoid she interfaces with through the soul of her dead mother
Her ego got destroyed. I mean her sense of self. She built herself up as this strong person who could withstand anything and it was shattered. She saw herself for what she really is, what we all really are: weak and frail. The annihilation of her identity broke her. She realized she was everything she hated about herself, everything she hated about Rei, Shinji, Misato, and everyone.
You have no idea what that's like, and I doubt you know what kind of hell her despair really is. Fuck, the fact that she put herself back together at all is incredible.
>Fuck, the fact that she put herself back together at all is incredible.
She didn't. Her mother took over the way Yui does but lost, then Rei brought her back.
And reality doesn't give a shit about your sense of self.
Her reaction to it is first-world-level. She is one of >10million orphaned children on earth. That status does not make her important or worthy of admiration.
Shinji's behavior, though still regrettable, is demonstrably better.
I feel like your mother's soul being ripped out of her so that she's a husk pretending some doll is you before she hangs herself and the doll in effigy of you during your formative years is a tad bit more traumatic than a normal run of the mill dead parent incident.
damn, that sounds pretty despairing
I know that, im talking about the specific "rei brought her back from the death" line.
Although simply disregarding any development when she finally realized Kyoko was there all along is wrong. Asuka was fighting side by side with her mother. Look at her cute psychopathic face as she fights
What jail would that be? Keep in mind that she's nearly impossible to replace unless you want all of mankind to die and the ones in charge of her well being don't give a damn about her mental health.
Well Rei is monotone and emotionless, Asuka is has severe narcissism while being extremely violent torwards boys and Misato uses men to satisfy her self hatred. They are pretty awful people, are they not?
That is not the message of Evangelion, people can be pretty horrible but closing yourself off from the outside is never the answer. There is always hope for a better future.
Except yes Rei did, because Asuka died before instrumentality (the same as Ritsuko did). She did not take place in instrumentality, therefore would have to be brought back by a being with Adam level strength.
No dipshit, 'Get out of jail free card' is also a legal term that means when a person is not held to the law. Her past does not justify her present behavior.
Hey ,dipshit. Have you possibly considered that "It's probable that without her all of mankind will die tomorrow" would rank among the greatest get out of jail free cards in existence?
>She did not take place in instrumentality
Asuka took part in instrumentality. Thats how she knows shinji jerked off. Misato died before and she got tanged anyway.
Mega rei probably doesnt give a fuck about time of death, your soul still getting harvested.
>Except yes Rei did
Rei and yui made it pretty clear the only way to return is for the person himself to be able to rebuild his own ego (as in the freudian definion of one self)
>Therefore would have to be brought back by a being with Adam level strength
Thats just headcanon, and a pretty shitty one. Since when can adam bring people back from the death? When was stated that lilith could do it either?
A better question might be is everyone who ever lived and died capable of returning?
Thats because asuka was the first one to return. Other would follow suit. Misato WAS tanged. It was shown. If she will come back is arguable.
Kaji might be gone for good because he died a good while before EoE
Really? You're going to use Gendo "The best argument for forced castration" Ikari as the person of moral authority in your theoretical scenario? The guy that's the created the conditions for her mental instability in the first place and generally maintains everyone's batshit craziness via not hiring a fucking psychiatrist? THAT Gendo?
It's one thing if you dislike Asuka for whatever reason or say she's a bad person with flaws. It's another when you run around like a shittard trying to belittle trauma from horrific events while managing to embody her negative character traits. Your belittling of Asuka sounds almost exactly what she'd say if she ran into a clone of herself and didn't recognize it.
Are you pretending to be retarded or do you need to look into getting a tripcode?
>ywn look for Asuka after she's gone missing
>ywn find her in the abandoned part of the city in a dirty bathtub after she tries to an hero
>ywn bandage her wounds and carry her back home
I didn't ask for these feels.
I particularly disagree. I strongly believe that the TV ending and EoE ending are, in fact, 2 different endings for the story with many similarities, not the "different views from the same event" theory.
But thats another whole new can of worms
This is Kaji we're talking about. He already knows Fuyutsuki is just Gendo's personal shill. All he has to do is give Fuyutsuki an Enhanced Interrogation for the answers he needs.
No, faggot, I'm using Gendo 'The Commanding Officer of the NERV organization with authority over Insubordinate NERV personnel'.
No, more like I truly understand the meaning and theme Evangelion. You as a waifufag will never ever understand what Eva means.
asuka only needed a hug and was sick about shinji being dense and oblivious as fuck.
had they fucked things would had been smoother.
As of episode 11, when she derails the attack in the blackout, so much that Rei has to take over an unfuck everything, then in Ep 16, when she derails the attack with Shinji and Leliel, she is criminally insubordinate.
She'd be thrown in the brig in any military around the world for either of those.
you missed the point entirely, lvl 30 sorcerer.
Copy and pasting since I am a faggot that can't be bothered to some how make this look like my own work.
One of the main inspirations behind Evangelion was Freudian psychology. In it, there's this idea called the Oedipus/Electra Complex, where we model our sexual desires off of our opposite gendered parent- in Shinji's case, Yui.
This actually makes a lot of sense evolutionarily- the point of life is to reproduce, so obviously we would model ourselves based on the most sexually successful people we know as children: our parents. We'd model our sexual behavior off of our same-gender parent, and our sexual desires off our opposite gender parent.
However, this is also a sign of immaturity- instead of developing one's sexual tastes, you would be staying in a state of childhood, never advancing or individualizing.
It's pretty clear that the Evas are somewhat representative of mothers, with the entry plugs being wombs. After all, pilots are literally inside their mothers, and are submerged in a life-sustaining fluid. I'll make the stretch that LCL is representative of amniotic fluid, where life is developed and where only undeveloped children can survive in. It's fundamentally a substance that represents immaturity as a whole: both the immaturity of the pilots, and the immaturity of humanity as a whole who escape their fears and weaknesses during Instrumentality.
Shinji's story is all about that- maturing as an adult and establishing himself as an individual. In EoE, he is given a choice to either keep running away (Instrumentality), or mature (rejecting it). Of course, he initially chooses to run away, but eventually makes his big breakthrough and decides to stop running away and starts to mature. Instrumentality ends, and he has developed an identity strong enough for him to escape sea of LCL (representing him breaking away for his parents, his immaturity).
The entire show is about him eventually leaving the comfort of his mother through developing maturity and individuality. It's very Freudian in it's obsession with mothers, and it's not particularly subtle.
Now, let's look at the three love interests in the show: Rei, Misato, and Asuka. Rei is the clone of his mother. She is literally the embodiment of Yui, although she is far from it emotionally. Misato, on the other hand, is completely unrelated to Yui in either genetics or appearance, but is very much emotionally Shinji's mother. Asuka is the only one who is in no way a mother to Shinji, and in fact both looks and acts distinctly un-motherly towards him.
Considering Shinji's arc away from his mother and towards individuality, it just makes sense that he would have to end up with the only love interest that specifically doesn't have some motherly relationship with him. Therefore, Shinji has to end up with Asuka in order for his entire character arc to make sense.
tl;dr: Shinji's story is all about separating himself from his mother, and Asuka's the only one who is in no way representative of a mother to him.
B R A V O A N N O
Rei fags btfo
But she hated Shinji and wanted him dead, she never cared about him. I don't think it would have made any difference.
That would be the same guy and she did no acts of insubordination during her tenure.
The really weird part is he apparently see's no flaws in Gendo worth getting mad about.
What, failing isnt insubordination, its just failing. You have no idea what you talking about, mr military copypasta
She only was maybe insubordinate in the mind rape episode, but she didnt pilot the eva in normal circumstances afterwards anyway.
Kaji is reincarnated as a watermelon, as he would have wanted.
Gendo's a cunt but he got the job done, yeah the Tang was fucked up if NERV didn't defeat all of the Angel's, humanity would have been wiped out entirely. Liquidate him after the last angel was killed. Plus he has patrician taste in handguns.
>lets break the spirit of one of few people responsible with protecting humanity from ultimate destruction
remind me to not put you in charge of anything
never know for sure
she was frustrated, just like all fucking teenagers do.
And he needed a hug.
Problem is eva audience it's usually dumb otakus that happen to suck ass at life. this is why you are so dense.
Here's a secret, pal. People don't give a shit about abstract concepts. People don't give a shit about what shit 'represents'. They give a shit about behaivor and interaction in the real world. Asuka is a self-absorbed brat in her social setting and a criminally insubordinate incompetent in her military setting. Her behavior outweighs whatever 'bullshit' concept she represents. She'd be in the brig right now in any organization where she behaved like she did in this show.
I'm sure there are lots of nice Arabic men who'd love to introduce themselves to her in Leavenworth right now. Kind of fitting for a woman of German descent in the current geopolitical climate, isn't it?
You were already told where you belong. Go there.
Is something wrong with wanting to rescue to ones waifu?
>Pic related is me.
She didn't fail during the blackout, she derailed the operation and wasted so much time that Rei had to take over. That's insubordination. She then gets Shinji entangled with Leliel AND gets into an argument with Misato in the same engagement. That's insubordination.
>Gendo's a cunt but he got the job done
Gendo is not a military commander. Misato is. What Gendo does is deal with the UN. Kaji also does that, potentially better than Gendo would, because Kaji isn't weighed down by MUH YUI like Gendo is.
Kaji killing Gendo and torturing the details out of Fuyutsuki would result in total victory for NERV plus no bullshit instrumentality scenario.
Fuyutsuki already does most of the official duties of Gendo's position, but no way is he as good at the unofficial intrigue game necessary to Nerv's operation. Might be a bigger bastard, though; Gendo at least felt something for Shinji and Rei.
I'm not a dense otaku, the truth is that Asuka's seiyuu said Asuka herself never had feelings for Shinji. The answer isn't as simple as you wish to believe because you are shipper.
Some good points, but you missed that Asuka was a sex doll and a representative of an otaku's dakimakura.
>ywn make asuka happy for once
godamnit shinji, all you had to do was give her the D
but Asuka never wanted his D, only Toji and Kaji.
Its Miyamura from the original, but her voice sounds rather old and bad in the new one. Asuka's voice needs a new seiyuu.
This show still hits me
Had a close friend watch the whole series, he didn't like it that much until EoE, which he said "made it for him"
The way that EoE catalyzes the whole series into this hugely meaningful thing resonates so deeply with me
Eva definitely changed my life, I'm 23 now, saw it when I was maybe 19, still colors my thinking
The more I think about and rewatch eva, I really do think shinji was either a little autistic (like the real kind, the can't read people kind) and maybe gay, or lonely enough to seek a familiar and open person (male, Kaworu) instead of Asuka, who (with his emotional baggage) stood no chance of ever bonding with in any real capacity
There is a cut scene from EoE where we are shown the world without shinji (and angels, for that matter).
Asuka end up worse than misato. She had multiple boyfriends, all relationships short and based on sex. One of them was Toji. She was really depressed, to say the least.
Here is the cut scene (a little incomplete)
Here is the full script of the scene
>I actually just stole it off the internet
>Does that mean I stole my existence as well?
We are both on /a/ talking about 20+ year old chinese cartoons, I don't think you have the right to act so smug there friendo.
SEELE still exists if you dispose of Gendo and we all recall how it went last time when Kaji got involved with SEELE.
Breaking your own spirit and being forcibly imprisoned inbetween fights in which humanity is at stake is two separate things.
Why fight for humanity when they treat one of the few how can save it as a hostile? What do you have to lose if you fail if you are imprisoned? At least when she has something to fight for.
>the truth is that Asuka's seiyuu said Asuka herself never had feelings for Shinji
She isn't Anno and she didn't write the story, so who gives a shit? Should I start quoting Tiffany Grant and Spike Spencer on the deep intellectual meanings of the show aswell? Or how about the guy guy that wrote the subtitles?
I didn't know they did an initial d/Eva crossover with Itsuki as shinji.
That's what I get for leaving the room to do something and forget to proof read.
>At least when she has something to fight for.
At least when she is free, she has something to lose and therefore a reason to fight.
''Miyamura once said that Asuka personally never ever had feelings for Shinji''
and i respect that...
>Asuka end up worse than misato. She had multiple boyfriends, all relationships short and based on sex.
Yep. Because Asuka doesn't want a relationship. She wants a babysitter. Explain to me how Asuka's poisition in life is any different from pic related.
>Or how about the guy guy that wrote the subtitles
Hey, the guy who wrote the subtitle had to proof read and listen to every line of every character multiple times.
I would quote him before any of the VAs, tho.
Friendly reminder that Asuka and Toji are best couple
He was lonely, that's why he attached to Kaworu like he did. Shinji didn't just crave affection: he was scared of rejection. He kept getting mixed signals from Asuka and that kept him away.
>Because Asuka doesn't want a relationship. She wants a babysitter
She doesnt want either. She was using sex as a temporary source of pleasure, akin to drug abuse.
Depression isnt that easy to qualify, my man, no matter if the source of said depression is justifiable or not.
To expand on the voice actor's opinion's a bit, I think this is somewhat relevant.
>Tiffany Grant, Asuka's English dub voice actress, says this:
>"The most widely circulated translation of the last line of EoE [End of Evangelion] is "I feel sick," but Amanda Winn Lee (Rei Ayanami's English voice actor and director of End of Evangelion) said she asked several translators, and she felt "disgusting" was the most accurate adaptation. You could say she is disgusted with/sick of the situation or with Shinji himself. My favorite explanation though, is this one: My husband, Matt Greenfield, directed the TV series and is very familiar with the whole Eva franchise. Matt has said that although (Eva creator) Hideaki Anno seems to change his mind frequently about what various things mean in Eva, Anno once said that Asuka's comment about feeling "sick" was a reference to morning sickness. Now THAT gives ya something to think about, doesn't it! Of course, Anno is quite passionate about the idea that every person should decide for him or herself what Eva means to them.
imagine being tiffany grant and being able to be your own waifu
let the roastie burn, it's not like she can't leave him, she could get dick from anyone yet she is still fucking him.
it's like arguing that asuka and shinji are the worst couple since all they do is argue; sure but there is something else deep inside them
Asuka IS a roastie, and liking her is as your waifu is NTR.
>VA heard from her husband that Anno said one time that it was morning sickness
I mean, it is Anno, but it doesn't fit at all with any plot point in the series, the overall theme, or even seem remotely possible.
Can you make any argument for this based on the series itself?
>Anno is quite passionate about the idea that every person should decide for him or herself what Eva means to them.
Even that looney case that is Grant understood one of the basic premises of the show that it seems nearly everyone else misses.
Its pretty much confirmed now a days that the "how disgusting" is referring to the jerking off scene.
But the idea of morning sickness usually come from the "morning sickness > Pregnancy > Repopulation" cliche that is common in the "Adam and Eve" ending the show seems to have.
Rei is Yui DNA spliced with Lilith, that is why she has Lilith's soul.
Also Yui could pilot the EVA, but she synced too far with it and that is why she melted into it.
That is what I remember why they actually even used kids, mentally to unstable to succesfully dive deep enough for syncing that much in most cases.
Adding momy souls only helps for certain aspects.
The whole point was to imprint a mother's soul into the EVA. Yui went in whole, Kyoko went insane from it. We don't know if that was the norm or an aberration, since everyone else's mother was missing.
Also, if you really want to add the staff views, its widely known that anno himself self inserted hard into shinji and he is a asuka-fag.
He is pretty much the only person of the staff that never denied a shinji and asuka relationship, but rather chooses not to talk about it.
I like to think of anno as a big kid in an adult body that got his wish, but it was corrupted, you know, like a monkeys paw thing. I feel bad for him, but I wonder if he would even be as successful as he was if his life wasnt a disaster.
question aside. how is the relation beetwen the japanese people and the mental healthcare?
i know they population have tons of mental health issues, but idk the level of awareness, problematization and cultural bias against mental health and mental health care.
some one knows about this topics?
>thread is now arguing that a character that never had sex in the canon timeline is a roastie and anyone that likes her is now a cuckold
Lets go further into this philosophical discussion.
Is it NTR if your waifu is a clone of a woman that at the very least got fucked once (realistically at least a few dozen times) a, was married for 5 years and had a kid? Where do we draw this line?
>Also Yui could pilot the EVA, but she synced too far with it and that is why she melted into it.
She couldnt because it didnt had a soul
An Eva needs an soul + a pilot able to synch with said souls.
Thats why there is a graveyard of dead evas under Nerv, they never did the soul thing. Yui was the first one to get one working (by melting herself on it, on purpose)
Because the first slut described will pursue any male that will give her attention. She is shown lusting after Kaji, Shinji, Touji, and a whole slew of men in EOE.
Meanwhile, the second girl you describe is a chaste yet elegant young woman who only has eyes for one person.
>He's also a massive faggot that rivals moot for his sheer level of cuckoldry
Yeah, he also doesnt hide it. He made a whole episode of shinji being gay. Also Kaworu design is based on a real friend of anno that he probably is gay for.
A cuckold is the husband of an adulterous wife. In evolutionary biology, the term is also applied to males who are unwittingly investing parental effort in offspring that are not genetically their own.
Related things came up alot from that recent movie with the deaf girl i need to get around to watching. They're about as awful if not more awful than you'd expect from what I gathered. (The shitstains in there bullied a deaf classmate to suicide who kept on trying to make friends then blamed the suicide attempt on her for not trying to communicate with them despite the fact that they destroyed her chalkboard she had for communicating with them) The nail that sticks out gets hammered ideology is rather nasty when there's no way for you not to stick out and asking for help is seen as an unreasonable burden to others.
She respected them. Tanking acid and trusting Shinji to make the kill and catch her was her own idea. She was inviting Rei to gatherings and trying to make small talk until episode 20. She wasn't tumbling down all along, she spent most of the time as a functional obnoxious teen.
>gets dozens of love letters
>plenty of potential suitors, no shortage of those willing to give the hot beef injection besides the 2 that reject
>never fucks anyone in the cannon timeline
>Slut: a woman who has many casual sexual partners.
what did he mean by this?
>Tanking acid and trusting Shinji to make the kill and catch her was her own idea.
So was getting the team so lost during the blackout that Rei had to take command and unfuck them.
in EoE Gendo said that his shitiness toward shinji was because his actual fear to be a bad parent, to not be god enouht. that imply that Gendo is a grown Shinji, but more functional in canalizing his fears and insecurities toward targets.
Those kids are in the death trap that is Tokyo 3 for a reason. They were all potential eva pilots.
Also there is a theory that it isnt necessarily a MOTHER, just anyone with a strong link ot the person piloting the eva.
Except that Shinji would not behave like that. We see it in dealing with Misato and Asuka. Shinji would more likely be a Mr. Mom helicopter parent.
That's still a shitty archetype, but he's a markedly better person than Gendo.
Are we going to have the usual argument again?
>I dropped it
>Then how do you know it doesn't get good?
>I watched it fully and think it's garbage
>Ah! If you finished it you must have liked it! Otherwise you would have dropped it! Maybe you just don't get it!
i have psychiatrist aunt who went to japan to a congress or something and she was amazed that they cant make the connections between they alcholism levels and the hermetic and workaholism of they culture.
that is ideology in its prime
According to rumors, Kaworu was designed after Ikuhara, the director of Utena.
Said rumors affirm that part of the kaworu shinji bath conversation was straight up the identical to one conversation anno had with him in a public bath.
I don't think she's in any other view of the classroom unless she got really dolled up just for that day.
>haha look at these healthy individuals haha why don't they share my mental illness hahaah xD
Why guys, we have a butthurt asukafag chimping out! Everyone get some snacks!
How does it feel to know that Asuka would NTR you for Kaji?
Yeah, its pretty funny.
>No need to shit up the thread further.
You're right. Asuka already shat up the series
>non canon alternate timeline of a scene that was cut from the movie
Should we start quoting things from the Angelic day's timeline as well? That was actually featured in the show and was not cut.
>can't even get one guy to fuck her in the actual canon timeline
are we just making up definitions to suit our shitposts now?
Then she is a bitch, not a slut.
>REEE IF A WOMAN SO MUCH AS EVEN LOOKS IN THE GENERAL DIRECTION OF A MAN SHE IS A ROASTIE WHORE REEEEEEEE EVEN THOUGH SHE NEVER HAD SEX OR EVEN AN ACTUAL BOYFRIEND
>has to start posting stills of a death scene and the asuka death nightmare scene
Feel free to come back when you actually have an argument :^))))))))))
look its the fuck that keeps shitting up every eva thread on the board
Yes, obviously there's no way I could have watched some of it and dropped it. Truly impossible. Nobody would ever be able to do such a thing.
I also watched all of Macross and think it's garbage, not sure if you also think that's a good show.
The delusion, I've been here for over a decade faggot.
>filenames kun doesn't like Itano or Mikimoto and admits to browsing /pol/
Why are you even here? There are better containment boards specifically for creatures like you. Begone.
>Should we start quoting things from the Angelic day's timeline as well? That was actually featured in the show and was not cut.
Well, im my defense, some anon asked where the asuka x toji comments come from, i just gave him a source.
I wasnt any of the anons using it to talk about asuka like it was the only characterization source for asuka I dont have anything against the live action scene, it was an AU, of course things will be different.
>proving that the retards that are shitposting false info are wrong is the same as blatant b8 posting.
Seriously fuck off, you keep coming to ever eva thread and starting shit you useless Rei fag.
I actually like Rei but you Reifags are fucking cancerous.
say that ever again and ill kill your fucking family m8
How about you keep your chimpouts and hurt snowflake feelings out of our thread?
is where this thread went to shit. It's also where you started posting.
>point out blatant inaccuracy's it's chimping out
>shitposting b8 death scenes is fine tho
Stop with the fucking samefagging, you retard. You fucks are the one's that started derailing the thread, stop crying now that people are calling you out for your bullshit.
tease you and...
Call you an idiot
All Eva threads are waifufag shit, we haven't had a good thread in a while. I kind of miss fujo shitposting in these threads.
Asuka doesn't playfully tease like tsundere, she's actually very mean and abusive. There is some anime couples that have playful and cute banter, Asuka and any other guy is alot of mind games and physiological abuse
Asuka's taste like love itself.
I agree. But asuka actually dont like this kind of behavior herself. It isnt impossible to change her to a "normal" tsundere.
During the "happy" episodes she and shinji were almost crossing into normal person territory, before everything went to shit.
I've noticed that as well, all of them just turn into a melee. I don't if people are actually more reasonable and like them both but shitpost for one, or if they actually genuinely hate a character that much that they endlessly shitpost
I'd much rather have Sento Isuzu as a girlfriend before Asuka. She has some violent streaks but she is caring and loves her friends.
It's the thought that count I suppose. Even if she can't good well at least she cares enough to try.
>2 people that will never leave since they care about and need eachother but act like assholes anyways
there are worse things to live with. hate sex it is then I suppose.
Weirdo shit aside,
Doesn't mean that she couldn't improve at all with some help, but as I see what you are saying.
The last traces of normie in my are saying what the fuck, but the real me is oddly okay with this.
>Even if she can't good well at least she cares enough to try.
She doesn't care enough to try, she's jealous of Rei. But I guess asking an asukafag to actually watch the show is asking too much.
Why are you a asuka/rei/whatever fag?
I guess the reason why i'm an asuka fag is that my ex was kinda like asuka, not in the sense that she was a nut busting bitch (kinda) but more as a typical tsundere who teases you and shit like that
I'll humor you. I'm a reifag because I wouldn't tolerate asuka's bullshit. When she slaps me on the boat for the crime of the wind blowing her dress up, I'm pushing her overboard.
If Reifag's weren't calling Asukafag's waifu a whore with faulty reasoning then it wouldn't have escalated. It just ends up turning into a shit tornado.
Who the fuck am I kidding though, this is the fucking internet, everything devolves into a shitshow.
Finally you show up, about time. We could use Anno poster as well rn.
They are mad that Asuka is not a perfect person and not as pure of a pure of a waifu as they wish to believe. Always the accusal that we're Reifags,
when my waifu isn't even from eva
Because of saying shit like she is a roastie slut while actively denying anyone that is interested in her. Then the you got the whole saying people are cuckolds because they like her when even with newer usage of the term, it still doesn't work. Using incendiary terms like that just asks for shit to get stirred up, and of course it ends up directed at Reifags since I don't see misato fans getting so angry.
Saying all she wanted was dick is incorrect since she could have had as much as she wanted but refused. She thinks sex would validate her an adult so she tries to sleep with Kaji.
>see the first portion
>They are mad that Asuka is not a perfect person and not as pure of a pure of a waifu as they wish to believe.
She's virgin that never had a boyfriend but showed her bra to one guy, that's good enough for me.
Asuka wanted validation, she used her body to provoke reactions from Shinji and Kaji.
True, but saying shit how she is a roastie slut because of it is just starting shit. I can see roastie slut being applied to Misato but saying that about Asuka is just begging for (you)'s.
I still like Misato though, I wouldn't date her but I'd drink beer with her, I don't think she is a bad person.
I don't go saying shit about Rei like she is Gendo's underage fuck toy just because he is nice to her. If I said shit like that I'd expect Reifag's righfully call my bullshit.
Yeah that's what I was trying to say.
>She thinks sex would validate her an adult so she tries to sleep with Kaji.
It's more than that - she had to prove to herself that she was still worth something even though Shinji wouldn't touch her. She chose Kaji not only because she was comfortable with him and found him attractive, but she knows that he's interested in Misato, one of her rivals for Shinji's (and others) attention.
>shitty, inconsistent plot
>b-but there's deeper meaning to this!!!
>True, but saying shit how she is a roastie slut because of it is just starting shit.
Calling her out on her bullshit is acceptable because she literally does it. There was photo proof posted. Same with Misato. You can call out Misato for her whorishness. Calling Rei a fucktoy is a falsehood.
Here's a secret: You are absolutely allowed to criticize a character when that criticism is truthful.
I like both Asuka and Rei because I feel the need to protect them.
I feel that if I was with Rei it would be pretty boring, she's nice and all but we'd probably just end up sitting around in the apartment all day not really doing much. I like Asuka since I relate with her more.
I've gotten pretty good at dealing with bitching and abusive behavior after dealing with it for the better part of 10 years, so I feel like I could handle her problems and try to help her. She hides her feelings like I do and I got parental issues so we have stuff in common.
I've been stuck fixing shit for most of my life, so I feel the need to try and fix her problems. The red hair,blue eyes and being cute doesn't hurt either.
I feel that with Asuka, both of us could develop and improve, but with Rei it would just be kinda stagnant.
Rei's life barely started before she became God and died. She had orders, then exactly one person overcame her resistance to get in friends with her and introduce any interest in exploring. How she'd grow is barely predictable but she'd want to try things once she knew she could.
>That's codependency waiting to happen.
At least I'd feel needed as a person and she'd need me and be loyal, it doesn't seem so bad.
I've been stuck for years working on shit since I felt bad bad for the person, just a tool for a means to an end, not appreciated really and mostly just bitched at. Can't really try and get out of the loop for another 6 months probably.
My life has been on hold since I was a kid really, never had the chance to really do anything.
A chance to form some sort of meaningful relationship and feel needed as a person as opposed to a means to an end is an improvement, even if a lot of work would need to be done to try to make it work.
She already was. Fuck glasses, what else is in the basement.
Isn't she just keeping her body together?
She's a clone modeled after Yui, and the LCL seems to rejuvenate her body structure. Also since she has the soul of Lillith it would seem her body is being rejected by said soul. Hence all the LCL treatments and pills.
what confuses me is how everytime an eva thread happens anons go over the mental status of shinji rather than the physical events that happened.
Like is shinji gay, Riefags vs Auskafags, Gendo is such a dick, Misato's mentality.
She's down there because she couldn't sleep. Too much in her head after returning from death and meeting a humanoid Angel, the sum of all her worst suspicions about herself. She's stripping down and communing with things until she learns something because III was born out of patience.
I really am not sure.
For one of the major characters in the series, rei existence really isnt very explained.
She dont seem to know much about her own powers before episode 24
She does use the terms "i feel like im melting away" (foreshadowing the whole lcl thing) in her first major introspection
She had some limited control over her own powers in the start of EoE (able to control her own AT field and let herself almost melt)
She was seemed not very healthy. Who knows the expected life spam of her.
I guess that if she "awakened" like kaworu but didnt go full lilith she would be rather powerful.
Can any one figure out why the Lance of Longinus wad used for the 3rd impact when it was said it's supposed to have stopped Adam or Lillith from turning into a god? Why is it aiding the process when it's supposed to so the opposite?
The lance of longinus is one of the series least explained plot devices. Just like the dead sea scrolls, the lance can do pretty much anything the plot requires.
It was disabling adam and lilith
I think it's supposed to be an original component of the Black Moon?
Ops. Sent too soon
It was disabling adam and lilith.
Then seele said it was necessary to be able to use lilith to trigger instrumentality. As it was "gone" they would use unit 01 who was also a "god"
Then the lance comes back anyway and lilith does start the instrumentality, this time with shinji and yui.
What do I understand from this whole story? No one, not Seele, not Gendo, neither yui was 100% sure of what they were doing. They were meddling with a power well beyond their comprehension and hoping for the best.
Maybe that's why the Lance is used, since unit 1 was a god it couldn't disable the eva and attempted to go back to where it came from but it comes back to a false god. That's why every thing started fusing together.
I know this is speculation, but these failures were once people right? Their old forms cast aside to bring in a new? This was the forced evolution in the movies was talking about?
I really should stop postponing the rebuilds. I been meaning to watch them for years, but whenever im about to start i remember they wont ever get close to the originals quality and kinda drift off.
Well what I read on evageeks, it was a similar fashion when Rie was formed from the core prior to 01 absorbing the angels Core.
So humanity under went a similar transformation "human instramentality" and took their old life for a new one. Thus they started to form in their gods image, that being Unit 01.