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Isekai in Another World

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GENTLEMEN

How do we fix Isekai?
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>>159539276
Removing all the RPG elements would be a start.
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>>159539276
We get a mecha autist for a protagonist.
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>>159539276

MC should be an adult
While the world can be base on video game in the real world, its should not work like a video game
The MC should engage in romantic activities normally and not collected a harem while never pursuing any of its members.
What else?
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It's not like anyone here will ever produce or contribute to anything. Most of us don't even buyfag. So no, there's nothing we can do to fix a dumb genre.
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A bitter loser gets spirited away to generic isekai fantasy wish fulfillment land. At first he thinks it's super rad, but he begins to have visions of the things that are happening back in our world now that he's gone. The parents he thought were negligent were actually trying to respect his independence, and are wracked with grief over his sudden disappearance. He thought he was undateable, and so he was too despondent to realize there was a cute girl who was interested in him. He has to watch as his old possessions are sold off, as his friends waste their time searching for him in vain, and as his coworkers struggle without him. Unable to cope with the realities of suddenly gallivanting off, he's offered a choice to either stay or go back in time and not get sent to magic land. He chooses to go back, but loses his memories of the time and goes back to being a sad sack of shit spending his time fantasizing about isekai bullshit.
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Promote the good stuff over the garbage
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>>159539276
Less MMORPG/JRPG shit menus
More truck-kun
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Pick a main girl and stick with her
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>>159539276
By adapting the good stuff.
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>>159540083

Should have gone for a pair of knives instead.
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>>159539276
No RPG elements, MC has no special powers aside from knowledge, people distrust him because he looks foreign and doesn't speak their language(he has to learn their language). Make it a bit like that one shield hero isekai, but without the shield. MC needs to rise up through the shitty circumstances and try and better himself in this new world, when he couldn't in the real world. Ending should be he dies of old age, only to reawaken in the old world with only a day having passed. He takes his newfound self-improvements and makes a better life in his old world, a bit like Ebenezer Scrooge.
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More HEALTHY brown girls

That is all
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there is even a bookworm isekai...
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Weak assholes with lizardgirl lolis. This >>159540214, why would someone translate shitty edgefest revenge porn in the first place?
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>>159540340
How about no protagonists who are shitty lardass failures in the previous world?
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>MC shows up in alternate world

>discovers he has some cheat skill that lets him get all the skils

I SLEEP
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MÄR was isekai
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>>159539276
No harems, real girls would get jealous and leave you if you began flirting with another girl.
No stats.
Lots of world building
Multiple points of view from differing characters that have yet to meet the mc and give them some story or plot too. The world keeps on turning with or without the mc being there.
Make characters morally gray, whether they are heroes or villains.
Don't be afraid to kill off well like characters if it gives means to advance the plot without becoming forced drama.
NO FUCKING ONE CHAPTER LONG CHARACTER REACTIONS these are cancer, why the fuck would I want to re read a situation from another character's pov if all they're gonna be thinking of are praises towards the mc or how much they fear and respect them.
Don't over fluff it, some fluff is nice in between events but too much just gets boring, they should be used as a calm in the middle of a storm not cottencandy-full sweetness and rainbows
NO 10+ CHAPTER ABOUT TRYING TO BRING YOUR FOOD INTO THE NEW WORLD
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>>159540340
Fuck off, you're worse than the wish fulfillment chucklefucks.
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>>159540478
AND THEN THEY ACTUALLY FUCKED
A LOT
EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY COULD
AND THEN SHE GOT PREGNANT
>>159540554
Maine is the cutest book goblin.
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>>159541477
Shoujo has had a lot of extremely successful pre-isekai isekai like anatolia story and fushigi yuugi
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>>159541569
>Make characters morally gray, whether they are heroes or villains.
No, go away, there's far too much of that garbage nowadays, your gray morality meme is about as much of a cliche as the whole good guys versus clear bad guys thing.
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Monogamous MCs
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>>159540478
She's so fucking out his league that it's clearly such a pitiful attempt at wish fulfillment. This manga makes me cringe. At least give him a rance body or don't make him act like such a bitchboy.
I'd rather there be no sex then see that waste of air fucking something.
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Is this an isekai comic?
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>>159541789
>Monogamous MCs
Non-monogamous MCs but no harems. Mistresses, cheating, bastards, etc. Make it portrayed as a character flaw too, no fedora tipping.
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>>159541569
>No harems, real girls would get jealous and leave you if you began flirting with another girl.
>real girls
Fuck off, even though I don't like harem either but I don't want it similar to 3DPD

>Make characters morally gray, whether they are heroes or villains.
>Don't be afraid to kill off well like characters if it gives means to advance the plot without becoming forced drama.
>"my cliches are better than your cliches!"
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How about a LN about a chosen hero who's found himself out of work because teenage immigrants keep pouring in from Earth and taking the chosen hero jobs? The entire series treats the Earth people as dumb foreigners that nobody likes, but get tolerated because they all have main character powers.
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>>159541760
But anon the only moral options are black, white and different shades of gray and the different shades of gray honestly add more depth to the character
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>>159540047
This is worse than the other isekai stuff.
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>>159539276
you can't fix what's not broken
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actual focus

have the MC have an important and well thought out goal and make the story all about realizing that goal.

Lot of these series meander a lot, either they don't have a goal and MC just fucks around with his harem or he does have a goal but he ignores it to fuck around with his harem. Of course you need to have the goal more difficult than "he just needs to show up and cheat the problem away" usually the more famous OPMCs are given a goals that is difficult even with their OP powers.

when writing you have to ask yourself "how does this further the goal?"
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How about the mc gets taken to a science fiction world and fights space goblins or something
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>>159542119
No, I've had enough gray to last me a lifetime.
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>>159541922
She just wanted a penis she could throw into a basement and never see again after she's done getting pregnant. And wish fulfillment is why these things exist, complaining about every single comic not being built upon realism is stupid too.
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>>159542323
Make yoraikun focus on this again.
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>>159542323
I kinda want a cheat OPMC in the 41st millennium
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Female MC's only.
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>>159542462
>She just wanted a penis she could throw into a basement and never see again after she's done getting pregnant.
I know, the fact that he's treated as anything more despite his fat below average specs is what makes it hard to read.
She should have like 5-7 side guys.
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>>159542536
So the Emperor?
>>159542587
I like stuff with female MCs but those come with their own set of baggage.
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>>159539276
Do everything the opposite of what would happen in an isekai while still being in a isekai
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Ixion Saga DT was too advanced for his own time, it shitted in every isekai cliche.
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>>159539276
A fantasy world inhabitant comes over to the real world.
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>>159542678
Ed had a hard life.
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>>159542323
That's easy, just make the science-fiction world look like medieval Europe.
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>tfw wrote a novel
>tfw realized it was isekai
>tfw realized it would be classified as torture porn
What do I do /a/?
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>>159542677
people started "deconstructing" and "subverting" Isekai with Re:zero and Re:creators

note that you still hate them, kinda tells that your post is wrong
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>>159542709
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>>159542677
So make something that's even worse than the average isekai? Because I've read multiple things like that and they were all awful.
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>>159542782
What's it about?
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>>159542782
You're not special, there's dozens of gore show isekais at this point.
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You can't. Thus, the nips should make everything like Blade Play so I can at least fap to it.
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>>159539276
We let the authors run their imagination
make a enticing world unlike anything one would think of, make it beautiful and interesting
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actual writing talent

actual reason to care about the MC
actually using the wish fulfillment premise to its full potential
no harem with romantic subplot taking over the series if you have it at all
creatively imagined and interesting world
nuanced morality with even the antagonist having understandable motivations (I would like to see a "literally nothing wrong" in one of these series)
good side characters that are more than just cheerleaders
actual tension
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>>159540209
I missed this one what chapter is this?
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>>159542782
Does the torture actually have a point? Does it actually say anything about people besides "all people are self-interested assholes?" Can the torture be avoided simply by NOT having everyone be assholes?

If not then it's probably worse than the wish fulfillment. At least wish fulfillment has a point in that people want to be in that world. Closest thing to a point of the torture porn is revenge fantasy against a strawman.
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>>159543496
I fap to torture, so that's also a point.
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>>159542808
I will try and summarize:
>main character suffers from sleep paralysis, one day in a really bad session thinks he sees something while paralyzed and makes the cross over
>no one speaks the language
>he ends up becoming d homeless as an illiterate man
>is caught thieving, has his hand crushed for it
>spends six months as a cripple learning the language and eventually convincing the owner of a brewery he can brew far more potent alcohol than the man can
>main character in our world was a food chemist in the early 90s and built a bath tub still
>becomes relatively comfortable, learns the man who sponsored him is a hardcore pedophile
>ends up leaving after stealing a fuck ton of what the man was worth and revealing the sham
>travels for a short while before basically ending up in the middle of fuck all no where, enthralled by a local glass maker
>recalls the means to make batteries (zinc + copper plates & acid)
>decides to basically play the same game again and reinvent electric lighting with the help of the glass blower to impress the local Nawab
>does so
>life is good, he is happy
>actually plans on revealing that he is in love with the glass maker
>on the night of a party thrown by the Nawab comes down the Wicker Men (the party was to show off the electric lighting)
>basically these guys burn everything, destroy the electric lighting, and kill anyone who knows about it
>they take the main character
>glass blower dies
>turns out that him crossing over is not an isolated incident
>the Wicker Men basically police people like him who cross over and fuck up the natural progression of the world
>they monitor this progression through people fed enormous amounts of narcotics to make them into 'oracles'
>the main character is put on a team with a french and chinese guy (the chinese guy speaks a bit of english and the main character speaks french, so he's a communication bridge between them)
(1/2)

>>159542852
I realize, that's the problem.
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>>159542634
He has the bloodline of her family, and their nation doesn't sit to well with the idea of a Women being in charge. And then there's him possibly having the bloodline of another royal family as well. I think you're underestimating how important bloodlines are in the setting, and that's before you even factor inherited magic.

As for having side guys, besides the nation being of the patriarchal opinion (which makes the queen having side guys silly), due to inherited magic the first born isn't guaranteed to be the heir. It could easily create a lot of unnecessary strife that she smartly doesn't want to create or deal with.
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>>159543543
I agree
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>>159543556
turn him female and you got a deal
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>>159539276
well i actually like this kind of plot, but light novels, manga and anime recicle the same story: male MC is a NEET that is sent to another world where some dark king is planning to take over the world, but instead of that we focus in the harem and the girls, there is a lot of wasted potential in this genre, i think Gate is the only one that can get interesting due to its themes and Konosuba for the comedy, but if i'm going to make this plot i would do something like this:
-Main character is an average japanese GIRL, very kind and heroic, preferable blonde with blue eyes.
-one day our MC find a sword in a park in the night, she uses it to defend a friend who is molested by a band of thugs who want to rape her.
-due to her heroic action her newfound sword start glowing with a holy light and transport her into our usual isekai world with elves and shit.
-after walking in the forest she enter a village that is constantly harassed by the soldiers of the "Dark Lord" with high Taxes and the treat that they can take the villagers as slaves if they don't pay.
-she decides to help the people to get rid of the soldiers.
-before they could celebrate that MC save them from the guards, the Dark Lord make his appearance, everyone is terrified because NOTHING can damage him... except for one thing.
-when the DL is bragging about his invincibility and taunting MC she atack him using the sword, and that actually hurted him.
-result that the sword once belonged to a former warrior powerful enough to confront the DL but he was killed and his soul was sealed in the sword, then the sword was sent to our world so there were nothing in the other world who could defeat the DL and he could take over, making the sword the only thing capable to kill the DL.
-after partially defeat the DL (he run away) MC vows to use her power to help people and that she won't go back to her world until she defeat the DL for real and free everyone.
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>be reincarnated in fantasy world

>be sword used by cute catgirl

I could live with this
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>>159543720
Yeah, guy is living the life.
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>>159539276
Have two series be published simultaneously. One is a grimdark one, the other is a light-hearted Isekai. Whenever anyone dies in the grimdark one, they end up being new characters in the isekai.
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>>159543556
>french guy is from the napoleonic era
>chinese guy is from the 70s
>turns out the Wicker Men are part of an enormous organization that basically plays international force that burns and destroys shit that comes through
>main character when he first crossed over wanted there to be shit like magic, realized it didn't exist
>turns out it does and relies on things the Wicker Men hide, mainly the Oracles who can see the future/pass
>besides that the 'magic' is interactions through what allows things to pass over, which is poorly understood and not really used by humans
>the Wicker Men keeps guys like the main character because off worlders serve as basically null points, they don't get warped through a second time so a distance around them remains stable when things are crossing through
>the Wicker Men have a bunch of people from multiple other worlds who are assigned to combat units
>the Wicker Men have a Cold War era soviet military depot that crossed through and have modern firearms and a strange assortment of future tech and other stranger stuff that passed over in an armory
>first thing they do is fix the main character's fucked up arm
>the rest of book one is dealing with his first real 'mission' and his imprisonment in the Wicker Men's main fortress, a flying citadel held up by a glowing orb that passed through
>for reference one of the characters that become important is a young girl oracle (all oracles are female) who he tries to get to do a 'viewing' of the moment he passed through, she eventually does and has a stroke while trying to (they're not supposed to look directly at things passing over)
>his first combat mission is basically a termite infestation with termites the size of dogs where he, the chinese guy, and the french guy have to survive and get back
>main character is now driven by a desperate need to get back home or at least discover what happened and a hidden hatred for the Wicker Men for taking away his happiness
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>>159540141
I'd want a trapped in an MMO that's written like LMS

instead of being the pro-gamer with a OP build or a timeskip that shows him getting all the broken equipment and levels, but a starting gamer at level 1 that spends the series working his way up the most legendary player
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>>159539276
/tg/ does the writing
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Stranded_in_fantasy
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Increase brown catgirls by 100%
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>>159539276
We write our own?
can't be that hard to get those drawfags organized, right?
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>>159544038
yeah but what would it be about?
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>>159540209

The latest one. I think 18.
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>>159544038
>getting people on 4chan to get organized and do something productive
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>>159543960
Fuck this manga so much why is Maybe disgracing themselves with this blueballing cuckqueen-fest?
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>>159543905
Local fa/tg/uy here and I actually did something similar to this with an isekai campaign. I debated between having a bunch of sweaty grognards being transported to a world that worked off of mechanics they knew and being able to exploit them or a bunch of sweaty grognards being transported to a world with mechanics they didn't know or with mechanics not easily exploited. I settled on the second.

In character they knew something was wrong/artificial so they basically decided on 'Gather Information, Discover Why We Crossed, Get Home" as their prime directive. It degenerated into one member going 'I was a loser in the real world, here I can be someone, you can't fucking take that from me' and maximum suffering as events conspire to try and fuck the main party over so hard that they simply can't survive long enough to gather information.
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>>159540209
the fuck is this. image search gives nil
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>>159543568
>It could easily create a lot of unnecessary strife that she smartly doesn't want to create or deal with.
Controlling and conquering her political opponents with her pussy is smarter and has historically worked very well for queens.
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You know what, fuck it, let's make our own isekai. What's the worst that could happen? A shitty 4chan VN?

Fucking put in your suggestions, I'll be the first:
>technology level equivalent to the 1850-60s (before widespread adoption of electricity, but after the railroad revolution)
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konosuba already did it
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>>159544092
it's actually more common than you think
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>>159540822
>Weak assholes with lizardgirl lolis
Well? What's it called?
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>>159544376
>Katawa shoujo was 5 years ago
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>>159544491
The name is literally on the cover but here you go anyways >>159436658
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>>159544376
>primary inhabitants of the world are not humans, but rather dwarves (yes the females are all lolis)
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>>159544609
Ah, so it is. Thanks bud.
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>>159544376
>there is a race of humanoids where the vagina is located at the back of the knee
>the MC is obsessed over it
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>>159544376
>humans are the slave race
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>>159544376
>disease and poor sanitation is a thing
>MC gets dysentery
>reincarnates and dies 12 times before he can get past age 3
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>>159541686
>AND THEN SHE GOT PREGNANT
Pic or it didn't happen.
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>>159544943
I like this idea. Continuous reincarnation where he keeps getting sent back to new kids.
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>>159544943
>reincarnates and dies 12 times before he can get past age 3
Afterwards mc struggles to get past measles and pox in his lice infested hovel.
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No RPG Mechanics
MC doesn't have some secret hidden power
No Skill Absorption/Stealing
World building
Good Side Characters that aren't just waifus.
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>>159544376
I'd literally write an entire basic idea but I'm tired. If this thread is alive for 7 more hours I'll write this shit up.
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>>159544376
>MC is reincarnated as pantsu
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Twelve Kingdoms already did the useless cuck protagonist right
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>>159545081
>>159545029
>>159544943
>tfw died 12 times
>tfw really liked family #9
>tfw #13 you're the fucking poorest of all
>tfw somehow survive
>tfw in a complete destitute shithole as a human slave
>tfw dwarves use human slaves for agricultural labor & on the railroads
>tfw #10 was reincarnated as a wealthy dwarf, thought it was time to live, got butchered by political dealings in a bullshit cultural revolution
>tfw now at #13 I know a bunch of bullshit I shouldn't about dwarven political wheelings that could fuck over everyone
>tfw just want to be comfortable and to have a decent meal
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>>159544951
http://unlimitednovelfailures.mangamatters.com/risou-no-himo-seikatsu/risou-illustrations/
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>>159545081
>measles affects his brain development
>fucks up all his modern knowledge so that he doesn't know how to make technology, but knows that technology could be made
>"We could do this a lot faster if we tried mass production!"
>"What's mass production?"
>"I don't know except that it makes a lot of something in a shorter amount of time."
>"Thanks a lot, faggot."
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>>159545230
by making the protagonist female
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>>159545105
I still argue that RPG mechanics are still salvageable

everything else is true though
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>>159545230
It's not about being a useless cuck, it's about having impossible odds and only surviving through grit and cheating.
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>>159544439
I like Konosuba, but I don't think we should have more series like it.
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>>159539276
I think Bokura no Kiseki is a good example of a kind of reverse Isekai:

Protagonist(Male) has the memories of a Princess(Female) who died when her castle got attacked by a allied army and is now trying to piece together the truth behind the betrayal she and her people suffered. Stuff gets weirder when his classmates start getting memories from that other world as well once they start getting exposed to magic by accident, including reincarnations of people from the attacking army.
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>>159545568
Only if it applies for every single character and it's culturally ingrained. People will compare stats like the size of their dicks and girls will only date you if your stats are high. Some facilities you can only use with certain stats and they functionally serve as a caste system.
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>>159545672
Boku no Netorare
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>>159539276
Removing the RPG elements. Not that RPG elements are bad. In fact, some Isekai use it to good effect. The one where the girl turned into a spider monster comes to mind.

But RPG and especially MMO isekai, or indeed, any mango/animu using those... well, it's fine if they're just using aspects of it. But it shouldn't be the basis of the story because the authors either use a lot of artistic licenses with how the games work or have no fucking idea how RPGs/MMOs work anyway.

For instance, the mechanics in Log Horizon are fucked up. The game they're from must have been a majorly broken game that was on its last legs and therefore simply making cashgrabs by releasing unbalanced content.

Or that anime from awhile ago where the guy returns to an MMO after a long absence. He starts off as a new character and everyone is amazed by how knowledgeable he is. Which is absolute bullshit. Because if you've been gone from a game for several years, chances are, it updated. Which means that all your bis gear are obsolete anyway and your knowledge is incomplete because of balance changes. Not to mention, people start fresh characters all the fucking time. A newbie who knows end game content and veteran techniques is no big deal. You would assume it's just an experienced player starting a fresh character.

Stuff like that. Overlord's method is actually okay to me because the new world doesn't follow the rules of his MMO world. The RPG aspects are just holdovers from his character.
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>>159545641
>tfw I'm not the only person who reads Bokura no Kiseki on /a/
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>>159543896
bad example anon. LMS went to shiet right after sick-girl arc
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>MC is transported to another world
>he doesn't have cheat abilities and have to rely on his modern knowledge
>creates machine guns
>wins every battle because he knows modern military strategy
>easily defeats political threats because he went to a civics class once

really it's not the cheat that makes the MC OP it's how they balance it
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>>159545707
it did damn

it had a good run though
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>>159539276
Isekai is a premise/setting. Thee's nothing fundamentally wrong with it.
The problem that needs fixing is all the shitty writers jumping on the bandwagon and just writing the same garbage.
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Fantasy Mengele is a fun dude, cuts people up and doesn't afraid of anything.
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>>159545731
Would need to know how to mass-produce steel to make it effective, though.
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>>159545731
>implying an everyman can actually build a machine gun with only a general idea of how they work
>implying that an everyman wouldn't just get zerg rushed immediately while trying to be all crafty and shit

Unless he's transported to caveman era, a general understanding of military tactics wouldn't do much good, especially modern ones. He'd need to be specialized in it, possibly do it for a job.
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>>159545793
and he wll

>>159545846
he's a government agent, scientist, military technician of course he knows how it works
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Step 1: Remove all videogame elements
Step 2: Make the world have coherent internal logic
Step 3: No romance
Step 4: Hero's journey
So hard.
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>>159545703
The artstyle probably drives people away. I imagine a good anime adaption would cause it to be pretty popular,as it might help people to be able to make out characters from one another more easily, but ending a season with unsolved mysteries would be pretty bad.
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>>159545945
>Step 3: No romance
Fuck of and die.
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>>159545991
>not replacing it with a bromance with homoerotic undertones
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>>159545991
You kill yourself faggot.
I bet you wanted LotR to be about halflings sucking Gandalf's magical dick.
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>tfw if I was isekai'd my experience both academic & professional only will let me do one thing
>tfw that thing is make really big fucking bombs

How shit of technology would it have to be for modern explosives to be relevant on a world changing level?
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>>159546068
>3DPD being relevant
Are you lost? And for that matter LotR had plenty of romance. Sam even got his osananajimi in the end.
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>>159545945
The problem with something like this is you haven't fixed isekai. You've just pointed out some problems a lot of isekai have.
None of those things actually make something better at a base level besides the consistent logic part.
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>>159545991
>>159545945
>Step 3: No romance
No harems or romantic comedy antics. Actual romance with one, maybe two, main female characters is all that is needed.
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>>159546057
Just make it a trap and go full homo.
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>>159545991
Romance is very difficult to write, most author's just can't describe the chemistry that actually turns into romance. This doubly goes for nips who love to recycle personality tropes as if everyone falls into categories (tsundere, childhood friend, genki classmate, etc.)
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>>159546125
Like, 19th century. Uh
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>>159545945
-Add more video game elements
-But the MC can't interact with most of the systems. Can't use the Trade Skill window to cook, has to lug around items and equipment instead of putting them into the Inventory or having it weightlessly adhere to their back, and so on.
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>>159546125
1940s level
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>>159546187
Just make a tsundere that the mc teases and bullies all the way to penetration/borderline rape. That's all a romance ever needs.
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>>159545685
I need you to be more specific
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>>159546177
>Actual romance with one, maybe two

no just one
fuck love triangles
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>>159546252
I don't know how to make nuclear weapons thank god and probably wouldn't be able to work out the theory on my own. Besides the kinds of facilities required to create anything approaching weapons grade nuclear material is way beyond what most societies can supply.
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>>159546289
And I need you to lurk more.
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>>159546263
>just make a walking, breathing onahole that only exists to jerk off the MC
Genius! This idea will surely revolutionize the isekai genre in a way no one has ever done before.
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>>159546290
>fuck love triangles
Love triangles are great, the fuck are you talking about?
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I wonder if I'm the only person on /a/ who reads this.
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>>159546360
Only good if it's ntr with old fat men.
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>>159546125
in fact that would make an interesting Isekai

>may or may not be muslim suicide bomber arrives in another world where magic is dominate
>creates dynamite and modern explosives and tricks people into thinking he is a mage with those explosives
>eventually even experiments with magical items and fantasy resources to improve the explosives
>eventually goes full Megumin with the explosives
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>>159546313
There's an isekai where a single high school girl sets up a nuclear power plant within a few days of being isekai'd
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>>159546360
Nips can't into love triangles, most of the times you will have a winner pre-ordained by god himself, or the editor of the series. This predestined choice will just frustrate the reader as any extra interactions with the others is meaningless since the chosen heroine will win out eventually.
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So Dungeon Defense Vol.5 when?
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>>159546417
well I can't read it if I don't know the name of it
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>>159546498
are you implying ANYONE can into love triangles?

they are universally cancerous
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>>159545641
>>159545703
The latest translated chapters were weird as hell. The 'enemy' memories and the 'allies' memories are different. Someone must manipulate the information whether the 'enemy' one or the 'allies' one.
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>>159546519
琥珀之剑
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>>159546334
Who are you quoting? Certainly not the post you're replying to. Projecting?
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>>159546513
Not date yet
It's gonna be good though
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>>159546290
Yeah this
>>159546360
Love triangle with harem end is the best.
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>>159546483
That's retarded.

>>159546473
No I'm just a chemical engineer with an interest in that industry. I can also make alcohol way more potent than anyone pre-1800s can, but that will probably be less relevant.

>>159546498
Yeah, good thing we ain't nips.
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>>159542039
That's funny, I'd read it.
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>>159544073
there are enough isekai green text to work off of.
hard part is being able to decide on a unifying structure.
also those drawfags probably don't know much about paneling or story pacing
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>>159546614
Harem is shit. Give me legal wife/public mistress. There's so much more potential for story.
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MC is a girl
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>>159546313
>facilities required to create anything approaching weapons grade nuclear material is way beyond what most societies can supply.
It's actually moderately easy if you have just a decent amount of funding and the US doesn't ilegally put a virus in your computers
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>>159546571
>Certainly not the post you're replying to
But it was? Anon was implying a good romance just needs a cocktease to be successful, but that's rarely ever the case in anything beyond a volume long hentai.
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>>159542039
I want a series where a class of students are treated like Kaijuu-level natural disasters by the populous because of their cheats
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>>159542784
>>159542797

The one common thing about isekai haters is that they bring up nothing of substance nor offer any real substitutes that can even gain common consensus in a single thread, let alone /a/, let alone the internet. It's literally just constant nitpicking about their own shit taste being slathered over isekai shit taste and acting as if they are some PhD professor in literature when everyone knows that pointing out 'problems' and making them out to be worse than they are is a lot easier than solving said 'problems' and coming up with things that actually get results.

I mean if they were such geniuses, they'd either write themselves, or someone would have stolen the idea by now given how vocal they are about it 24/7. This is like how that one Minotaur fag in Overlord got isekai'd and started rambling to people about how there needs to be refrigerators and all that shit but he doesn't know how to build one with his half-baked understanding. Problem is, unlike that Minotaur fag these faggots here have no power to force people with talent into toughing it out with their shit taste so we'll never know if it even 'works'.

In contrast it'd be much easier to just constantly discuss about better genres or bring up superior works, but that never happens and when it does, once again, almost no one agrees.
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>>159546746
I mean yes in the modern world. Not in anything pre-19th century.
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>>159542039
>>159546771
I want a Isekai version of Heart of Darkness/Apocalypse Now

Where a class of cheat students or soldiers go into the fantasy world and end up being asshole colonialists
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>>159546553
I don't remember exactly what your'e talking about other than some characters not remembering what they were doing and where towards the end of the attack. On the other hand, I have re-read this some 4 times already because I always miss a detail or I keep getting confused who's who.

"Was Cotton the priest or one of the squires? Bart, yeah I think he was a bastard son or something. Teshimano? Is that the baseball guy? Fuck, who the fuck is Glen again? Shit I forgot who Momo is." is basically my entire experience reading BnK.
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>>159546313
>>159546746
>it's actually moderately easy
maybe if you can order all the parts from Alibaba.
putting it all together from scratch is more than any single adult, genius, or otherwise can handle alone.
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I'm still waiting on an Isekai where a pure, innocent orc boy is forced to live in a society of elves or normal humans.

With all the women going after his dick constantly cause of rumors about orcs and his natural orc musk.

We need more isekai where the MC isn't just a generic human in the new world.
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>>159546360
team edward or team jacob?
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Stop making it wish fulfillment and go back to making it survival.
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>>159539276
>How do we fix Isekai?

Send them someplace more interesting.
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>>159546760
Not at all. You act like a bully protagonist that's sexually active is a bad thing. Rance has made it over a dozen visual novels.
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>>159546125
>doesn't know about the nobel peace prize
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Who is reading "Warlock of the Magus World"? I just caught up with it in 1 week, it's not perfect (far from it) but it's quite fun and interesting.
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>>159547038
Well it's a colaborative enterprise.
Making any kind of relevant bomb by yourself is pretty much impossible unless your goal is just to blow up a single building or make some hamas tier mortars.
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>>159547211
I suggest Chaos Dorfs.
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>>159547221
We're talking about isekai, as in loser goes to magical wish fulfillment and drowns in power, money and pussy. Rance games revolve around Rance being a relatively capable stud conquering women and defeating foes, all in character and with little romance really.
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>>159547314
Anywhere in Warhammer would work, honestly. It's such a fucked up place that you could even isekai other fantasy characters there and it would still be fun.
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>>159547211
>>159547314

If you were drop in the Empire right now what could you do?
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Isekai could use some new premises. Right now 99% of them are:

>died and ended up in another world
>summoned to be a hero
>trapped in a video game

A good example of what I mean would be MC Hides His Strength. The other world has some children of men thing going on where all children are dying in infancy until mankind overcomes seven calamities, so they just mass summon people from other worlds to replace kids. The whole setting in general is just way more interesting than your standard isekai and we need more stuff like that.
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I just wish there's some isekai that goes deep in exploring magic system.
Not just >muh magic is like programming, or >just think about combustion when casting fireball bro
I want something that involves interesting world building, rigid universal rules, which our MC will puzzle out from experimentation and failures, then use those rules in innovative ways to make cool spells.
Something where the laws of our world doesn't apply because FUCKING MAGIC exists. Where the MC can't just use our world's physics to magically improve everything.
Basically something like RtW but with magic instead, or that borehole plot from A Hero's war
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>>159539276
Take an established series and make an isekai spin-off. It'll sell like hotcakes.
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>>159547547
If I don't have any special powers, die.

If I do get something, try to prevent the apocalypse I guess.
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>>159547061
>orc-kun just wants to get through medical school and help his home town
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>>159540478
>What would you take if you were going to travel permanently to a technologically primitive fantasy world?

>Well surely my animoos because what else could be more important?
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>>159547255
never have I dreaded the eventual success of a protagonist so much
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>>159540822
Translations where?
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My shitty isekai idea:
>MC gets transported to magical world
>Goes on a decent adventure, meets a lot of people, fights dudes, fucks bitches
>Dies to something dumb and reincarnates as something else
>Each time he reincarnates he goes back in time to earlier than when he first got there
>Slowly comes to realize that every other being in this world is a reincarnation of him
>Every tavern owner he acted like a dick toward
>Every vagrant he bullies
>Every kobold he slayed
>Every whore he slept with
>Too terrified that something bad would happen if he fucks with the timeline so he tries to keep things as same as possible
>Collaborates with other versions of his NPC selves to get things right
>Keeps on going hoping to learn some way out of this hell
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>>159547641
>Seo Kouji makes an isekai spinoff
>every character which has been trucked is now in an isekai fantasy
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>>159547409
We're taking about what would MAKE isekai GOOD and you've never played Rance if you think there's no romance
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>>159544376
Fuck the definition.
Magic gets introduced into our (MC's) world by magic space refugees. We follow MC through the carnage and chaos of a magical post-apocalypse. He gets fucked up and reborn/remade with magic Ubel Blatt style.
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>>159547641
It's amazing how shitty taste Jump readers have on these polls
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>>159540478
this faggot had an entire fucking week to prepare, and he didn't think to download the entirety of wikipedia
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has anyone done fractal isekai? sort of like Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi but each additional layer of isekai is explicitly 'spawned' from the world 'above' it, getting further and further away from IRL rather than each world being equally removed
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>>159547585
but that's the genre definition of isekai. if you expand it it's going to start including a lot of works from other genres, especially western sci fi.
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>>159547641
the Dragon Ball Heroes manga does that
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>>159547648
I need help /a/

I keep obsessing on futanari goblins and the castration and enslavement practices human futanaris place on them
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>>159547866
Isekai is just putting the MC in a different world. I'm saying that having more interesting reasons for why this happens could help isekai a lot, since right now it's just the same three things most of the time and it's getting old.
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Are the translators for kumo, falling in love with the villainess and RTW kill? Those are the only ones I was still reading, what happened?
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>>159547679
fucker took an electric generator to his world
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>>159547838
There was no reason to. He just brought things that would make everyday life comfortable. He didn't want to cause any trouble for the queen so he didn't plan to do anything like trying to develop better technology or science since it would look like he was trying to gain power/influence.
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>>159547929
Kumo is still going, but the author just isn't writing as much anymore.
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>>159547989
except he tried to make glass together with her, and he found out he had no fucking idea where to even start
the point is, if you have 20GB of space, why the fuck not
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>>159547922
the reason is just a setting. it's normal to build on top of convention
you don't see every new fantasy explain what vampires are or sci fi explain androids for the same reason.
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>>159539276
Simple. The whole idea is that the protagonist goes to another world right? That is the focus, the world. What are its norms, laws and rules. The organizations, kingdoms and races, what are they? What was the history of the world before the main character showed up? Who was doing what before the story began? Ultimately my point is, have a clear world set up before placing the character in it. Hell, you can even have your typical 'harem' shit, if it works within the context of the world.

The second is the actual character/characters themselves. Make them are a character, rather than an empty vessel or archetype. For example, let's look at the typical protagonist, a young boys/girls who are at highschool. Give them interests, hobbies, friends, a life or something like that. Also, give a reason for them to be in this world, rather than just some vague stuff about destiny. Same with the characters in the world. You can start with an archetype, sure, but give them depth and relationships beyond the main character.

Also, one thing I do with my writing, if you are going to make a 'generic' protagonist, play with it. You don't always need to start at the beginning of their story and you don't have to tell it in a specific fashion.

Despite all the edge, that was I appreciate about Tokyo Ghoul. Characters, like people in real life, don't wear their heart on their sleeves. No one, not even the MC is as they seem or completely honest.

As for the OP powers stuff, either cut or do something with it. Have them be considered either a threat or an asset by certain party or parties. Explain how it works in context with the world and how powerful the MC really is, compared to other characters. Then, of course, give them a challenge, either mental or physical, in the form of an antagonist.

Of course, you'd be even more based if you just made your character a trickster, outsmarting his foes rather than an OP god
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>>159548079
Because he was thinking that he was just going to sit around and do nothing so there was no reason to bring that information.
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>>159547466
40 milleniums of cultivation pretty much copy pasted W40k as backstory, all the way until the Horus massacre.
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>>159547255
guy is like every jewish stereotype in /pol/ mixed together
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>>159548062
because of the LN?
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>>159548186
I think so.
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>tfw wrote an entire stage musical called "Adolf Hitler Saves the Future"
>tfw it's Isekai on top of being a story about Hitler saving the far future
Did I make a mistake?
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>>159548234
Depends
Does Hitler get a harem?
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>>159548234
pastebin please
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>>159548134
Not remotely the same thing.
If it's a story about vampires, they will always have a bunch of explanation about the vampires
If it's a story about androids, they will always have a bunch of explanation about the androids
If it's a story about a person going to another world, they always have a bunch of explanation for going to the other world (it's kind of a big deal, especially for the MC)

Most authors haven't been doing any new twists on the reason for the isekai, even though it can make the story significantly more interesting.
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>man dies, was a loser
>meets a goddess
>she tells (lies) to him that because he was a loser, his afterlife options are looking kind of shit
>offers him a job as an elite supernatural force in another world where he can work off the difference
>he accepts and becomes a grim reaper in a fantasy world
>he can instantly kill anything, but only as it's on the verge of death already
>getting close to anything near-death locks him to it until either the reaper deletes it or it gets better
>turns out a lot of people get this job. to each other, they look like their normal selves in a cheap robe with old farming equipment
>to anyone else they look like monsters
>while doing his job one day, encounters an adventurer who was isekai'd the more classical way (truck)
>his special power is summoning things
>decides to follow him while on a quest
>adventurer is fighting an evil mage and losing, none of his chuuni summons are working
>as he's close to death, sees death (the mc)
>tries summoning him, it works
>the mc can now briefly use his power on anyone, deletes the evil mage
>but in doing so is now effectively in the service of his shithead
>now has to juggle his job as a reaper with being a pokemon for this asshole
>asshole intends to fight the demon lord, one of the few entities that can kill a reaper
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>>159548234
I think it depends on how much of a comedy the show is.
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I wish there was more illustrations of it. Sometimes it's hard to visualize what the author is (very poorly) describing.
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>>159539580

That already happened with Knights & Magic.
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>>159539276
>How do we fix Isekai?
More moms. Get isekai'd with your mother or be born into a new world and have your mother join your party.
2nd order of business is to included more skeletons.
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>>159547989
>There was no reason to.
Yeah, the possibility of dying from an infection or some stupid shit like that is vastly less important than his animoos.
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>>159548267
No but in the far future everyone is jewish and the future jews have a musical number about 'muh six gorillion' being the only reason they remember Hitler so they pulled him out of time.

>>159548276
Not gonna put that shit online, still debating about editing down to making it palatable and going forward with it. I'll give some general ideas:
>in the far future everyone is jewish
>humanity has been at peace for so long the only great old terror they remmeber is Adolf Hitler because of 'muh six gorrilion'
>when humanity gets invaded by aliens they pull Hitler right before he gets bunker busted
>Hitler and some SS agents have to save the jewish future from aliens
>Aliens are mormons
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>>159547654
>Orc-kun goes to human medical college to learn to be a kind doctor
>Constantly gets assailed by whores wanting orc dick
>People keep trying to get him to go wild while he just wants to study
>Constantly under watch for anything that can get him thrown out

Wait, this would basically be one of those movies about a black guy trying to get an education.
I suppose Orcs are just fantasy niggers in that regard.
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>>159548401
they have healing magic that works way better than anything he could bring
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>>159548295
isn't most of the time result of some asshole's summoning? not much to add there
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>>159548411
>rowing and wrestling teams keep trying to recruit him at every turn
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>>159548310
It's entirely a comedy. Adolf Hitler has a number about how much he hates jewish cuisine while trying to have his 'coming back' dinner with the jewish overlords. The jewish cuisine is just various kinds of soylent and hitler pines for 'the beauty of a brat'.
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Reverse Isekai
>Elf goes into the real world
>Has to deal with language barrier and culture shock
>Has to hide she's an elf
>Tries to eke out a living with no formal education and experience
>Tries to socialize and make friends
>Deals with the consequences of having different lifespans than humans
>Saga goes on for hundreds of years until a pathway opens back
>With all her friends and adopted family dead, and civilization several hundred years in the future she goes back to her world
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>make a genre all about how awesome it would be in a entirely different world
>it only focuses on the MC and how awesome and OP he is

I want more good non-protagonist characters. The series is about the world but the people in that world are as flat as a pancake. Side characters are only cheerleaders, females are only love interests, villains, the ones usually more interesting than the hero in other genres, are only petty nobles, royalty, and church officials.

Probably why I liked Mushoku Tensei so much it wasn't just Rudi it was also Roxy, Eris, Sylphy, Banana, Zanoba, Cliff, Orsted, Paul, Ruijerd. Hell Hitogami and the bitch princess from Shield Hero are probably the only notable villains in the genre really haven't heard of a single other villain that's worth caring about and none on Griffith or Johan level.
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>>159548427
>the reason for the isekai could use some new variety
>what would that do? the reason for the isekai is usually the same thing
hmmmmmmmmm
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>>159548424
And do those mages heal literally everyone in the world? Are they that plentiful?
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>>159548502
I'd watch a show about qt elves being hobos
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>>159540822
>The Dungeon of Black Company

Japs know about Glen Cook?
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>>159548502
You forgot where she gets addicted to french fries and gets fat.
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>>159548538
oh right, hadn't read from the start
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>>159548593
Oh god no, I intentionally kept it more melancholy and grounded so it doesn't become a fetish
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>>159548350
>include more skeletons

jesus no, that's way too spooky
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>>159539276
Protagonist is a bad ass Knight but every mage in his party finish the battles before he can raise his sword.
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This girl is going to cause her family to starve in winter.
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>>159543376
Nana is best girl.
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the biggest problem with isekai, besides the lazy and mediocre writing, is its selling point: wish fulfillment
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>>159548712
Skellys are bros.
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>>159548795
>wish fulfillment
I love how people keep throwing this buzzword around
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>>159548782
They're all shit like the manga and the novel are shit.
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>>159548765
By winter she could just buy all the food they need.
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>>159548795
Isekai can be wish fulfillment and is currently swamped by wish fulfillment, but it' not really a requirement.

>>159548872
How, by selling the papyrus she doesn't know how to make?
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>>159548729
>entire party are mages
>every adventurer is a magic user
>he is a knight to prove that knights can be useful in battle
>entire party are female mages
>he thinks it's because his badass nature swoons the girls
>in truth they all have muscle/armor fetish and due to everyone being mages he's the only one that suits it
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>>159548795
This is why suffering porn is superior to overpowered MC stuff.
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>>159539276
The guy who ends up there is a fully grown man and instead of going off to adventure he immediately settles down in a small forest town. The prompt for adventure comes when he sets up a life with a wife and child but the village gets wiped out by a magic plague. What follows is a revenge quest with him adventuring with fellow manly men to avenge the weak through the extensive application of murder. He also avoids shit like all-female parties because of the problems harem shit would cause, instead going for the aforementioned party of manly men that reminds him of his days hanging out with the dudes from the workplace. By the end of the series they all look like heavily armored final bosses.
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>>159548795
Please tell us your superior western shit series anon, I'm sure they're better.
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>>159548849
Well the thing is that it's accurate for a lot of series. The whole story is just built around jacking off the MC (and by proxy the reader).
There are quite a few isekai that are "neet-kun was a failure before he was trucked into another world where he was instantly stronger than everybody and 20 girls wanted his dick".
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>>159548795
that's the selling point of mahou shoujo, mech, harem, romance, and fantasy in general (it's literally called fantasy after all)

really has nothing to do with the quality and Re:zero proved that taking away the wish-fulfillment doesn't make it better.
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>>159549023
Overall western fantasy is higher quality because the authors spend a lot more time to write far less, and they have these things called editors that up the quality a lot. Most WN authors don't have those.
>>159549045
It's not that wish fulfillment is bad.
It's that lots of isekai are literally nothing but wish fulfillment.
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>>159549045
>that's the selling point of mahou shoujo, mech, harem, romance, and fantasy in general
you got none of those right
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>>159549133
>>Overall western fantasy is higher quality because the authors spend a lot more time to write far less, and they have these things called editors that up the quality a lot. Most WN authors don't have those.

He asked for examples dumb shit, not more garbage with zero substance.
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>>159548529
Well hitogami did everything because he wanted to avoid his fate. The bitch was a bit less special than that she was a fragment of a fragment of a higher being sent to other worlds to weaken their defenses and ultimately destroy/eat them and their energy.
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>>159549023
not that anon, but this is pretty good
https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3238329/1/A-Hero-s-War
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>>159548795
wish fulfillment can be nuanced and meaningful if it actually examines the motivations behind that kind of wish, the unforseen consequences of the wish etc etc
most isekai rings hollow since damn near everything goes the MC's way and the closest to character development they get is becoming 'badass' and picking which love interest they like best out of the cardoard cutouts arbitrarily competing for his affections
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>>159549137
>mahou shoujo
wish fulfillment of having magic

>mech
wish fulfillment of having a giant robot

>harem
oh come on you can't be in that denial

>romance
wish fulfillment of having "the perfect boy/girlfriend"

>fantasy
literally people's fantasies
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>>159549321
>literally people's fantasies
Ok but actually you need to reexamine the fantasy genre if you think shit like Malazan Book of the Fallen is wish fulfillment.
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>>159545793
>>159545846
>>159545940
He's a Japanese middle school student, so of course he can do it. Well, he'll have to train the Dwarves on how to forge the perfect cylinders first, but once he does, they'll be able to replicate it.

Hard mode, he's also got the Class: Villager. Which is the weakest class that offers crap stat gains. In fact, this class is so crap, there's not even any level or stat cap, because there's no point. The stats also level up evenly, because a Villager has no specialty. Not only that, the MC can't change classes either. Truly, he is cursed I tells ya, CURSED.

Villagers have low level up requirements but this class can barely handle a slime and even the most exceptional level 1 villager gets stopped by a goblin.

Villagers who level up, all inevitably change to some other class like Hunter, Thief or Warrior. Since those classes have bigger stat gains (levels and stats are capped though). The legendary Hero and Sage classes have the biggest gains and their stats cap pretty damn high.

As an additional handicap, the MC's weapon of choice can't be a sword. As a result, he'll be ridiculed for not using a sword. And probably be mocked for using a coward's weapon like a bow or power armor with chainsaw fingers and machine gun nipples. By the way, Katanas are not considered swords for the purpose of this handicap.
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>>159548907
>Isekai... is currently swamped by wish fulfillment
that's what I'm saying: authors are trying too hard to make Gary Stu protagonists that can steamroll through most most enemies (Wortenia Senki or Kenja no Major) or are too busy writing cute girls for the purpose of "muh cute waifus" which pander to the obsessive otaku fanbase. It's painful to read Word Master when every loli that meets the MC falls for him. And don't even get me started on Death March.

>>159549023
I don't read westernshit.
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>>159549197
bitch princess is notable for always being a thorn for the MC

Hitogami is big because the MC can't actually defeat him, all he could do is checkmate him

not the best villains but they were introduced early and stick around since they can't just be defeated by the MC's cheat skills and make you have to remember who they are.
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>>159549321
Yeah what >>159549413 this guy said.
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>>159549171
Okay sure
Kingkiller Chronicles
GoT
Stuff by Brent Weeks
Stuff by Brandon Sanderson
Broken Empire
Amber Chronicles
Discworld
Elric
Xanth

I really don't feel like listing more it's so easy to find examples of really good western fantasy
There are bad western fantasy and good eastern isekai but the ration of good:bad is much higher with western fantasy.
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>>159549572
Ok, the Kingkiller Chronicles is fucking garbage.
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>>159549133
>Overall western fantasy is higher quality because the authors spend a lot more time to write far less
You're holding up western fiction in too high.
I do like John C. Wright's undying kimomen in the the quest to save his big titty blonde sorcerer not girlfriend from other dimension Babylonian dark lord's trained rape dogs with his grandfather's katana isekai story.
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Guy gets isekai'd not as a hero, but as an NPC. He isn't allowed to go on quests or fight things. All he can do is talk and guide other heroes to do things for him, as he's able to give EXP and generate loot to those around him. Needless to say, this leads to hijinx.
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>>159549321
wish fulfillment implies self inserting, which makes it only a selling point for haremshit which i have no idea how I overlooked in wich case yes, you're right
>mahou shoujo
cute girls and magic
>mech
cool robots, fighting and politics (?) or so i heard, don't watch that shit
>romance
romance
>fantasy
fantastical setting
those are the selling points, if you still claim it's wish fulfillment for them you can say the same about any other genre. it'll sound just as dumb but you can
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>>159549572
>GoT

Opinion discarded.
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>>159549413
if shit like Re:zero is wish fulfillment I don't see why not
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>>159549721
I really do like being the plaything of uncaring or actively malevolent deities while I get fucked twelve ways to sunday and the agent of another uncaring god uses my military unit as a staging ground to fuck reality royally. Really fulfills my wishes.
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>>159549647
I don't really think I am.
Isekai is in a spot where it's a fairly new thing (in it's current state don't be an Alice in Wonderland contrarian). Most of them are WNs with amateur authors. We're just getting into the good stuff right now and isekai will only get better, but it's still in a spot where the overall quality is lower.
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>>159549699
>those can't be wish fulfillment because wish fulfillment is self-insertion

and they tend to be self-insertion, who do you think these genres are targeted too?
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>>159549721
Re:Zero is torture porn. But whatever floats your boat.
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>>159549699
Don't be dumb.
The main characters of most of those genres are often made to be relatable enough for the audience to at least live out their fantasies vicariously. That's why "Power Fantasy" is a thing, which applies to mahou shoujo, mech, romance, harem, school battle trash etc.
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>>159549778
I don't like being in a continuous time-loop of death and misery either.

but all Isekai are wish-fulfillment
ergo that is wish fulfillment
so suffering doesn't disqualify
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>>159544154
http://bato.to/comic/_/comics/kenja-no-mago-r18964
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>>159541477
holy shit MAR
the sequel was a mistake
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>>159549790
>and they tend to be self-insertion
the only one of those that has a predisposition for self inserting is romance
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>>159549880
Oh it's that shit. I dropped it after another student turned into a demon so they cut off his head and then immediately moved on without a second thought.
Like, nigger, you killed a kid.
Call his parents
hold a big ass funeral
What the fuck
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>>159549929
>reading battle shounen sequels

when will you learn
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>>159549940
And mahou shoujo and school battle shounens and a ton of other shit.
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>>159549940
and mahou shoujo
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>>159549790
when did I ever say they can't be wish fulfillment? To who is shit like berserk or goblin slayer wish fulfillment material? I said that's not the genres selling point. rather, they are plagued by it.
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Final Fantasy Tactics Advance was about isekai and about how it's all escapism. Which leads to the main character to destroy a world the current residents clearly did not want to be destroyed.
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>>159549940
if by romance you mean haremshit that is
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>>159550060
Marche a shit
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>>159549790
>>159550040
>>159549863

At some point I got lost, who's on which side and are you niggers being sarcastic or not?
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>>159550060
Abenobashi did it better
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>>159550060
Tactics Advance was an anti-wishfulfillment isekai. A deconstruction if you will.
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How about a story about a guy isekaied into futuristic mecha space school harem opera?
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>>159550104
>>159550060
>>159550128

FUCK THAT YOU'RE ALL GOING HOME
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>>159549834
>most
>often
don't be dumb. see >>159550040
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>>159550008
The only mahou shoujo I've seen is Madoka so I can't really comment on the genre as a whole, but that definitely wasn't a self insert series
Battle shounen wasn't one of the categories discussed, but yeah lots of those are pretty heavy on the self insert.
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>>159550108
My point is that it being wish fulfillment doesn't make it good or bad. Removing if and turning the series into torture porn doesn't automatically make it good either.

It's all about writing WRITING we came here for wish fulfillment but at least make it GOOD wish fulfillment instead of just MC's OP journey with his harem.
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>>159550158
Don't pretend Goblin Slayer or Berserk are remotely standard fantasy. And even then, GS is making his nice harem already.

>>159550187
The only one I've seen bits of is sailor moon, and that should be able to get the point across. Serenity(?) was a pretty standard self insert for young girls.
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>>159550096
No just romance in general. The whole point is that you're supposed to be able to empathize with the romantic feelings of the characters so some degree of self insert is necessary. It's just part of what the genre is (with some exceptions).
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>>159550108
anon A says a bunch of genres have wish fulfillment as its selling point
anon B defends they have their own defining selling points but are indeed plaged by wish fulfillment
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>>159550187
>The only mahou shoujo I've seen is Madoka so I can't really comment on the genre as a whole

yeah it's basically like saying Isekai wasn't self-insert because you only watched Re:Zero
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>>159550280
>implying Guts doesn't have a harem.
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>>159550280
>GS is making his nice harem already.

and so is Guts desu
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I just wish they went back to regular fantasy instead of this isekai rpg shit.

Is there even any anime where the ramifications of magic and other fantasy systems are taking to their expected realistic results instead of just being "tacked on" without making world sense?
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>>159550345
>I can't comment on the genre
>you said mahou shoujo is X
reading comprehension lacking
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'Wish-fulfillment' is a buzzword along with terms like 'forced animation', 'deconstruction', and 'fun'.
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>>159550378
>>159550368
Blame Idolmaster.
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>>159550392
why not having a series with the quality of a standard fantasy but make it Isekai anyway?
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>>159550435
it's not
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>>159550435
It's a buzzword but it's actually a buzzord with meaning.
Unlike 'forced animation' and 'edgy'.
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>>159550435
That doesn't mean they are meaningless terms, just that dipshits use them improperly.
Even fun.
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>>159550412
>Acknowledgement followed by how foolish it would be if you did comment on the genre.

Reading comprehension IS lacking.
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>>159550280
alright then, are madoka, YuYuYu, black bullet, koe no katachi and grimgar better examples? I sure wouldn't want to be in anyone's skin from those
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>>159550482
>Guts after suffering all his life in the world of Berserk gets reincarnated as a producer of an idol group

would you?
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>>159550508
Seems pointless.
I mean, you could do it as a sort of "bait and switch for the isekai fan" just to cash out on the fad, but it makes no sense from a narrative perspective.
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>>159539276
The whole idea of isekai is ridiculous, so make a comedy out of it. Or porn. Or make it not take itself seriously.

Isekai fails usually when it start taking itself to seriously. At the end of the day, it's wish fulfillment for people who hate their current lives, wish they had a harem of girls who loved them, and like video games, hence why most of them have unnecessary tacked on RPG elements.
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Isekai isn't a bad setup, the problem is these authors powerup their MCs way too fucking fast. Like I've read some where within a few pages the MC goes from zero to god-mode.

The other problem is the backstories they give their characters. A lot of times they have these super grimdark edgy backstories, but then the characters themselves act like normal people. It just feels so amateur, like something you'd read on some tween RP board. Anyone who has lived life a bit knows you just don't walk away fine after dealing with shit.

So so far you have:
- stupidly overpowered
&
- unrealistic behavior

Then you add in the final nail, which is the world. I've noticed in anime for a long time, but very VERY rarely do the creators of "fantasy" anime, actually delve into the fantasy environment. It's just used a backdrop & it ends up making things look super retarded.

Like the mecha anime that's airing now. Why in the fuck are people using horse drawn, wooden wheeled carriages in a world where they can build fucking robots. At first I thought it was like one of those tropes where the mechs are from some lost civilization & they don't know how they work; but no, they fucking build them (or at least partially enough where the MC can feasibly design his own).

They have magic, they have advanced tech and metal working techniques. Why does their world look like Europe from several centuries ago?

These trash writers don't think that far, they just want to make a wish-fulfillment garbage ass story like, that will sell well, because the people that gobble them up have the shit of shittiest of taste.

Isekai isn't bad, it just that bad writing for some reason sells really well.

>pic unrelated
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>>159550301
eh, there were several infuriating cases that were the opposite but I guess I can agree with that
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>>159550584
because of your tense it implies the pronoun "it" is me saying that mahou shoujo is not self insert because I just watched madoka
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It's really funny how hard this page resonates with isekai especially, as well as manga in general.
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>>159550672
>relatable "fish out of water" MC in a complex fantasy world
>his eyes are your eyes as he is exactly a person like you

or have it like Fry from Futurama where the fantasy world is played straight but he's such a fan that he learns to adapt really Fry is the best Isekai MC
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>>159550675
>The whole idea of isekai is ridiculous
No it isn't
>Isekai fails usually when it start taking itself to seriously
Only when the author is shit
Just because most of them are doesn't mean it can't be serious
The premise of a character being transported to another world has nothing fundamentally wrong with it
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I'd like settings that aren't medieval fantasy MMOs. The only one that's good is Overlord and that's because he's a skeleton. Regular medieval fantasy is a little bit better, but authors add in MMO mechanics anyway because all they can do is imitate other series.

Basically, I want a series where a bunch of Japanese teenagers get trapped in EVE Online.
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>>159550800
actually most manga MCs are pretty normal libido-wise

it's the anime MCs that are asexual
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>>159550809
Don't, people get autistically mad when you point out time travel can be isekai.
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>>159550889
call the police I don't give a fuck
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>>159550873
Anime is majorly manga adaptations.
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>>159547015
It's when the MC proclaimed that he was the prince so he could gain information from the 'enemy''s knights. The knight said in the conference between reincarnators that 'enemy' side thought that 'allies' side betrayed them and the 'allies' side thought that 'enemy' side betrayed them.
Well the update takes too long and the same face design makes it hard to follow.
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>>159549976
I was fucking 12 when I read the original one. I had to read the sequel when it came out.
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>>159550889
Nah time travel being categorized as isekai (depending on the severity) is fine imo.
The people who categorize SAO as an isekai are the real autists.
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>>159550857
Read Nectar of Dharani, it's a fantasy world with Elves and Shit but the time period's advanced to industrial revolution levels.

It's really good so far too, the MC is a little annoying at first but he mans up quick.
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Factors to make isekai better

No RPG mechanics

MC must be a joe average and is not the chosen one -or-
MC must not have overpowered abilities or dues ex machina -or-
If MC is overpower, he must not try to hide his OPness and abuse his powers

MC must be willing to fuck women
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>>159550947
that was in the past
nowadays half of them are LNs and VNs

and even in that past it was usually harem, SoL, and battle shounen most demographics outside shounen gets ignored so even when anime was majorly manga majority of manga doesn't get adaptions
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>>159550800
Top right panel is clearly Kamijou Touma. Don't know who the other two are.
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>>159551068
>No RPG mechanics
We can't make this a requirement unless we nuke Korea because they have a couple of really good series with RPG mechanics.
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>>159542678

>fucked the trap
>"lol that doesn't count I still virgin"

It triggered me to the end.
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>>159550823
Yeah, it's not ridiculous, but in anime, manga, and LN, the genre is so oversaturated with shitty isekai with lazy world building that it's hard not to think it's all shit.
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>>159551123
it's a part of the "no homo" clause

like how if a girl kisses another girl it doesn't count as first kissu
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>>159551188
>like how if a girl kisses another girl it doesn't count as first kissu
the amount of lesbian cuckoldry that goes on IRL thanks to that attitude is astounding.
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>>159551141
It was the same with battle harems, it was the same with highschool settings, and now its isekai tiem
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>>159551141
that's because they were written by webnovelists

see fanfics, webcomics, fan-art, youtube comments for the quality for web-based content

>b-but they had LN editors
so did 50 shades, still a fucking fanfic
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>>159550873
I always see japs protagonist is kind of weird when it comes to sexuality, I mean yeah the protagonist is straight but something feels off when it comes to it. Maybe because the author is virgin.
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>>159546691
All isekai greentext on /a/ sum up to one of two things. Shit that is already a thing, or something that boils down to "do the opposite of <generic isekai tropes>" which is also not only a thing, but very fucking common lately.
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>>159551247
This is why 3D is PD.
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>>159551247
>hot girl kisses another hot girl
>not only did you kiss the hot girl you also indirect kissu the other hot girl

not too difficult
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>>159545641
Bokura no Kiseki has the problem of being hyper-focused on the central plot of the mystery of the betrayal and the character drama surrounding it, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but the author uses a lot of contrivances to keep everyone stuck to it.

I mean, to begin with, there's the problem of EVERY REINCARNATOR somehow ending up at the SAME HIGH SCHOOL with zero rhyme or reason, which the characters never, ever question despite wondering about every other aspect of their reincarnation.
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>>159549789
If you include web-published fantasy fiction the quality of "western fantasy" easily tanks to the bottom of the Marianna trench.
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>>159551278
To be fair 50 shades is a piece of shit even with 50 editors combing through the script.
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I keep forgetting was it Final Fantasy 3 or Dragon Quest 3 that most Isekai are based off of?
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>>159550637
>listing exceptions to disprove the norm
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>>159551453
Eh sure I guess, but that wasn't the intent of the original post I replied to.
No one takes western web-published fiction seriously and it doesn't constantly get adapted into comics/television.
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>>159549133
>comparing novel author with WN author
Are you fucking retarded?
WN author is literally people who just has hobby to write then write his story in specific website. It's basically like youtube channel. At least compare japs WN author with western WN author.
Well, I also don't disagree if you compare western novel author with japs LN author though.
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>>159551518
final fantasy 3 was a bunch of kids from a cloud orphanage setting off to save the world because they were the chosen ones

never played DQ3
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>>159548817
You better provide sauce for skellybro
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>>159550676
>Isekai isn't bad, it just that bad writing for some reason sells really well.

Yeah, agreed. Isekai's been around forever really. What's bad isn't the genre, is the total breakdown of logic or common sense that's so prevalent in recent ones.
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>>159548299

Zero no pokemon?
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>>159548555
He's the king.
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>>159549427
How about his weapon of choice is fingers?
He could become lvl 999 and flick boogers at slimes to kill them.
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>>159548765
shes the one bringing in the dosh
until the fever takes her, RIP in peace
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>>159551576
>asks for western fantasy
>gives examples
>"no you can't use those as examples, you have to use the terrible fanfiction authors as examples that no one even knows about, even though the jap WNs are constantly adapted to manga/anime and are taken far more seriously than any western fanfiction and even some normal western authors"
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Is a Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court the original Isekai where the MC brings in super advance knowledge and tech, becomes an important character whom everyone is dere-dere over and upstages the hero/sage (Merlin)? Or was there another before it?
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>>159551572
>No one takes western web-published fiction seriously and it doesn't constantly get adapted into comics/television.
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>>159546498
This is a really good point. There's no sexual tension.
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>>159551751
lvl999 villager huh.
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>>159551833
see >>159551551
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>>159551774
Wait, seriously?
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make a reverse isekai

>Hero dies fighting the evil demon lord
>Hero reborn into the modern world with his memories intact and has no powers and grow up having a normal life
>Turns out Hero was reborn 1000 years into the future when during history class shows that long ago the heroic (demon) king defeats the evil (hero) villain and united the land, ushering 1000 years of peace
>This make the hero angry and argued with the history teacher that the demon king commited genocide to achieve this false peace
>hero is determined to go back to the past to change history by any means necessary
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>>159551461
>>159551791
>>159551833
really we just need more Isekai written by actual writers

like Escaflowne, 12 Kingdoms, Digimon Adventure, Now and Then all good series with the thing they have in common is that they aren't written by the japanese equivalent of fanfic writers
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>>159551751
Or he could have a lame power like Word Master, where he bends reality by writing words out. Which is a lame neeeeeeeeeeeeerd power.

Or his lame power could be Creation, which is basically a worthless glorified blacksmith skill that lets him create anything in mass quantities.

But since he's just a lowly villager, his power should probably be "farming" or "cultivation", which are worthless skills. Who wants to be able to grow infinite food when a REAL hero has the super useful Holy Magic?
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>>159551922
>Wait, seriously?
Yeah, she's making a lot of money.
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>>159551925
So Samurai Jack?
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>>159539276

Have isekai being a recurring theme throughout the series, it makes no sense for just MC to be teleported and leave it at that, Zero no Tsukaima did a good job of it.
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>>159551334
I got banned for a day for posting this in a Netorozu Trap thread.
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>>159551791
But what that anon wrote was about comparing experienced author who has his own editor with completely amateur author who doesn't have his own editor. It's like comparing 5-stars restaurant with 0-stars restaurant.
Like if he compared western fantasy novel author with japs isekai LN author then I wouldn't reply that.
>the jap WNs are constantly adapted to manga/anime and are taken far more seriously than any western fanfiction and even some normal western authors
Well, that's the difference between japs business with west business, I guess.
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>>159551953
The main problem is that your average nip isn't going to read an isekai, so they're all targeting the beta jap otaku that they know will read them. Meaning even if the authors improve the stories won't.
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>>159552034
Is Samurai Jack the greatest Isekai since A Yankee in King Arthur's Court?
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>>159551925
There are a lot of these. well at least for the first 2-3.
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>>159552098
doesn't look like any of the series I listed flopped so I think it's more of a problem of supply than demand
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I wish to see another story with evil pacifists
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>>159548136
The problem with the Trickster angle is that if you aren't careful, it becomes identical to having a cheat OP ability. For some reason too many writers are afraid to have their character lose with any actual weight. I'm not talking about "I-I failed?" followed by a 2 chapter angst and then he finds out a way to win. I'm talking about losing and being unable to just turn around and come up with a Plan B just because your waifu gave you a pep talk. To try and recoup and move on from there.
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>>159552118
If the time travel is drastic enough it definitely qualifies as an isekai (assuming they are trapped in the new time period)
Futurama, Idiocracy, The Dark King all examples of this (and yeah Samurai Jack).
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>>159551953
>Digimon Adventure
Knowing how shit Tri becomes now, it makes me regret that I was once hyping that shit when it was announced. Koji Wada was already passed away so I don't have any obligation to follow Tri.
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>>159552142
Yeah the supply of good authors willing to write an isekai and not take the easy route of targeting the largest modern (paying) audience they can get.
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>>159552172

Part of the problem is that writers tend to make all fights instantly life or death. So losing a fight is the equivalent of ending the story. Also retreats rarely happen.
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Next Fawaray Paladin volume can't come soon enough
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>>159546907
Where do you think you are?
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>>159545105
So, any fantasy novel ever?
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>>159551953
>really we just need more Isekai written by actual writers
Then you get shit like Bluesteel Blasphemer.
Also the best-selling LNs in the industry right now are literally all former WNs. Go check the yearly top selling lists. SAO, Mahouka, and Konosuba are the most consistently best selling series from 2016-2017 and two of them started out on Narou while the third (SAO) was published independently on the author's own website. The line between "actual writers" and self-published amateurs has all but disappeared by this point as far as the light novel industry is concerned.
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>>159552329
That mostly come from the modern RPG mindset where if you don't kill everything that ever opposed you it'll come back to haunt you later. It feels to me that writers are more players than GM.
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>>159550889
>isekai = reincarnated/transported to another world
>time travel

Fuck off.
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>>159551068
If the MC is just a regular guy, he's not going to get anywhere. The moment he finds himself wrapped up in all of the political intrigue and harem fucking or whatever of a setting, he ceases to be normal. And if he IS still an average guy, that means he is next to useless. If he CAN outsmart and outbattle the people of this new world, then he ISN'T an average person. You see the problem here?
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>>159552536

Yeah, I can see it, certainly. Most stories told from a GM-esque perspective have a lot more suffering for the main character(s) and generally more interesting and fleshed-out antagonists. Sometimes to the detriment of the story.
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>>159552556
You clearly read that post wrong.
He said the MC can EITHER be the chosen one OR overpowered.
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>>159551922
she seems worse in chapter 23
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>>159552536
Sounds more like a xianxia perspective to be honest.
>if I don't wipe out the family, friends, and sect of this guy I just pissed off one of them will come back for revenge later so I might as well just murder them all right now to get it over with
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>>159548350
This one was unexpectedly comfy and not that bad.
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>>159552674
More like chinese perspective. They usually executed all associated with those who rebelled.
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>>159551663
A-10's Load of Trash tank.
Get the kanzenban one it's got more things.

>>159551815
Yes, it predates wizard of oz by about 11 years.
Oz became a whole series tho.
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>>159552612
Oh, well in that case he's fucking retarded
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>>159551086
>not recognizing stu's king
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>>159552536
That sounds about right. Really, it's so fucking stupid though, because it means there is never any tension. Unless you're reading an obvious edgefest, and let's face it you can tell a mile away if it's going down that road, you know they aren't going to randomly kill off anyone else other than maybe the cool old mentor guy or something. The protagonist certainly isn't going to take more than a battle wound and maybe a brief knock down before his special powers kick in. So naturally, the villain is going to lose. There isn't any real sense of tension or any reason to get invested.
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>>159552674
It's really weird how many xianxia protagonists go after anyone related to a family, even if their only crime was being "kind of an asshole" or a coward or something, just because someone else wronged them once. That Tales of Demon and Gods or whatever had some of the most jarring examples.
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One thing that I'd like to see more is MC becoming allies with people he hates because it's convenient and that lasting for while. Something like Pompey and Crassus' relationship.
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>>159552885
The worst one is ATG where one guy kidnaps his grandpa and sister (doesn't actually harm them and they were going to be returned) so the MC chases them down and murders their whole sect including tens of thousands of innocent people, then leaves one guy alive because his sister told asked him to.
Of course that guy comes back and causes tons of problems later.
At least it fit his character because he apparently killed a few million people (many innocent) before the start of the series.
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>>159553093
It's a really weird quality to have in your hero. Maybe it's a cultural thing. I find it hard to want to root for a guy who can cause such wanton slaughter.
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>>159553128
It's a Chinese thing.
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>>159539276
Have the villains be the ones to isekai with AK-47s. AMERICA WILL BREAK
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>>159553128
Those are really extreme examples.
ATG and TDG are pretty garbage.

Also fun fact the author of ATG has another series where the MC ends up with a 50+ harem. Just a fun fact.
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>>159553093
>>159552885
>>159552674

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_familial_exterminations
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>>159553093
for me it was MGA where Chu Feng slaughtered 7 entire families

5 of them tried to slaughter his family so maybe they deserved it but the other 2 just opposed him trying to take over the entire area
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What if average dude accidentally falls into a portal and is taken to another world. When he gets there he realizes he can't speak their language and is sold into slavery and lives a pretty unfulfilling life until he dies.
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>>159553258
already happened

edge is not original
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>>159553258
see >>159551307
that's wouldn't even be interesting
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>>159553324
/a/ doesn't seem to realize that every fucking iteration possible for isekai has already been done to death in the deep bowels of Narou, they simply never got popular and remained festering at the bottom of the shitheap with zero readership like that shitty Tales of Phantasia fanfic the Eromanga-sensei MC wrote.
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>>159546313

When you break it down to its core components, making a nuke isn't hard. You basically need an explosive agent, the core, and a yield magnification element. The core needs to be as pure as possible, and the explosive agent needs to be able to generate an immense amount of concussive force that will sandwich the core into fission. Alternatively, if you make the concussive force implosive and make it overwhelming, you'd get fusion.

Finally, all of this reacts with the yield amplification element. This is most commonly used in thermonuclear devices, whilst not being as necessary for fission devices.

The reason why making a nuke is difficult, is because you need to have explosives of very high quality and power and then your core agent needs to be of the highest possible purity. Getting both of these in an isekai fantasy setting is next to fucking impossible. Which is why its rarely attempted in stories if not outright never approached.

Conceptually, a nuke is a small boom to make a bigger boom. And honestly speaking, nukes are massively inefficient; they also obliterate the local infrastructure, poison the land and water. If given the option of using a nuke against an enemy nation versus not using one at all. I would not use it at all. Because even if you can drive fear into the hearts of your enemies with it, the long-term consequences of it are just not worth it.

All that said, the biggest waste of idea in isekai stories with reference to magic, is that there is this general lack of application creativity with magic itself. You have established kingdoms that have lasted hundreds of years, but magic hasn't advanced beyond elementary; by the numbers standards. And very few manga/LNs actually explore that in any meaningful way, for the better.
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>>159551307
>>159551307
pretty much this, Isekai doesn't need anymore premises it just needs good writing

what really needs originality is the Xianxia genre
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I blame dragon quest.
Can I blame dragon quest, /a/?
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It's not a fix to isekai but I would like to see an Isekai with a teacher as the protagonist. I've been noticing in a lot of isekai, the protagonist often takes a teaching role anyway. It'd flow pretty well with his original occupation, in that case.
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>>159553184
purging of entire families happened all the time in the Roman empire

I say it's more of an ancient empire thing
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>>159553506
Well if you kill one guy then you might as well kill the whole family so they won't try to get revenge
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Something something faraway paladin
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>>159539276
I once took a trip to royalroad because someone on /a/ once told me it's where they write isekai far better than the Japs. It made me realise maybe the Japs aren't so bad with how they handle isekai.
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>>159553324
>>159553316
>>159553258
How about a series where an average dude accidentally falls into a portal and is taken to another world, where he realizes he can't speak their language and is sold into slavery and lives a pretty unfulfilling life until he dies because the real MC of the story is another isekai'd dude who amassed a shitton of power from hunting down and enslaving other isekai'd people so he could exploit their collective knowledge to do the classic "make guns, mayonnaise, and onsens and take over the world" isekai gambit.
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>>159553415
That's not true in the slightest. Western fantasy has been around for way longer with way more things written and people still find new interesting stories to write.
Plus the quality of writing matters a lot. Someone could take something that has already been done and write the same thing with a slight difference, and if the story/characters are good no one will give a shit.
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>>159553498
You can't, blame the nolife nerds whose only exposure to fantasy is DQ.
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>>159553506
>>159553546

Chinese manhua take this to a whole new level

>you've insulted my family with your faggotry
>I will now proceed to kill you
>your kin
>all their servants
>and make sure your clan, their vassals, and their kingdoms will be burning in flames of my vengeance; as the streets will be filled with blood many a deep!

It takes the zero to hero OP faggotry that isekai does, but with vengeance, and goes way too far way TOO quickly. Chinese are fucking weird.
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>>159553506
>I say it's more of an ancient empire thing
In recent memory the Chinese have killed 20 million of their own people. It's just what they do.
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>>159553591
>Western fantasy has been around for way longer
Citation needed
>with way more things written and people still find new interesting stories to write.
Give me 5 examples of a new and fresh western fantasy story written. I can wait.
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>>159553546
the ending of the Odyssey was basically addressing that exact logic
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>>159553420
>All that said, the biggest waste of idea in isekai stories with reference to magic, is that there is this general lack of application creativity with magic itself. You have established kingdoms that have lasted hundreds of years, but magic hasn't advanced beyond elementary; by the numbers standards. And very few manga/LNs actually explore that in any meaningful way, for the better.
And the worst part is that the NEET trash MCs proceed to arrive in isekailand and immediately REVOLUTIONIZE MAGIC with basic fucking common sense that apparently everyone else lacks.
>MC-kun, why are you using fireball on that bundle of sticks?
>Eh? But we need to make a fire, right? Wouldn't using a fire spell to light it be obvious?
>Huh? But no one has ever used fireball for anything other than combat before! How did you come up with such a brilliant idea? Sasuga MC-kun, you really are a genius!
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>>159553425
This is basically happening this year. There are a good amount of original Xianxia but most of them don't have many chapters yet (like 50-100)
>>159553589
Sure if you only have 1-2 chapters of the first guy.
The guy enslaving all the other isekai'd people sounds like he would make a way better antagonist though. He has a knowledge advantage. He has an army of isekai slaves. He's doing generally antagonistic things already.
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I still like Mushoku Tensei. It did most of the cliches right, though it ended up being one of the examples for shit authors to copy.

>>159553685
If you search hard enough, any trope or plot has already been done. Even your own ideas may already be in a book.
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>>159553721

Pic related but for magic. Also, funny because its true.
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>>159553589
the guy from >>159547255 sacrificed an everyman hero with plot armor to power his magic artifact.
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>>159553788
If you put monkeys to use typewirters, eventually one will write the contents of this thread.
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>>159553664
they have so many damn people they can't keep track

they're basically the IRL Imperium of Mankind
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>Of the top eleven deadliest wars in human history, five were Chinese civil wars and one was the Japanese invasion of China.
No wonder they turned out like that.
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>>159553721
Literally Scumzuma.

>>159553839
Even that is already a stock phrase.
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>>159553839
that's got to be one stupid monkey
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>>159553883
You're a stock phrase yourself
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>>159553873

Considering the # of people in China, that's not proportionally that bad. The Thirty Years War in Germany was worse than almost all of those.
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>>159553683
>Citation needed
Well the earliest eastern isekai I can think of is from 2010. Talking about the WN isekai craze not older series that just happen to fit the setting even though they have nothing to do with what people thing of when you talk about isekai.
>Give me 5 examples of a new and fresh western fantasy story written.
Cosmere (like 5 examples by itself, but you can bundle it all into one)
Lightbringer
Broken Empire
Kingkiller Chronicles
GoT

Those all have post-2010 books and have unique aspects, plus the part where no one cares about similarities to older series because of their overall uniqueness and just being good.
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read some actual books instead you autists magnet:?xt=urn:btih:00e485753b0a7515fb76d90016fe8b6f6f84ba95&dn=read%20this%20you%20fags.7z&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.halfchub.club%3a6969%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.opentrackr.org%3a1337%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.vanitycore.co%3a6969%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.torrent.eu.org%3a451%2fannounce
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>Mozi views aesthetics as nearly useless. Unlike Confucius, he holds a distinctive repulsion to any development in ritual music and the fine arts. Mozi takes some whole chapters named "Against Music" to discuss this. Though he mentions that he does enjoy and recognize what is pleasant, he sees them of no utilization in terms of governing, or of the benefit of common people. Instead, since development of music involves man's power, it reduces production of food; furthermore, appreciation of music results in less time for administrative works.

I love Chinese philosophers.
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>>159553722
at least later Xianxia seems to acknowledge that the MC isn't really the most righteous individuals
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>>159553979
>Kingkiller Chronicles
>GoT
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>>159554059
oh yeah this is /a/ where anything that is popular is automatically trash and you don't have to privde any actual criticisms
forgot sorry
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Does anyone know an isekai that features a lot of map painting?
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>>159554136
Sevens has a lot but it's not an isekai
You can just pretend it is though and you'll probably forget it isn't
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>>159553979
I haven't read many of those, but I recall Kingkiller Chronicles, aside from it's protagonist's unique (but not exactly unheard of) situation, being fairly standard for a fantasy.
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>>159553998

Mozi is an idiot. There's value in culture, and it helps in decelerating the seeds of rebellion. If all you do is control, administer, and slave away your population. Inevitably, you're going to be dealing with a civil war.
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>>159554215
There are a few unique things that really stand out to me.

In the first place you have to remember that most of the story is basically a flashback. The MC is already crippled and broken in present times. It's not really clear what's going to happen with the story there.

Sympathy is pretty cool and unique as a magic system.

Aside from that it is a pretty standard fantasy, but the writing quality is high, characters are memorable, story is pretty good. Nothing stands out as being terrible aside from maybe the romance, but it really depends on how it gets resolved.
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>>159554261
Wrong. The people should relish in the opportunity to work towards the greater prosperity of the nation. This means sacrificing one's body to work longer hours and complete all of one's assigned work. In this world where dragons rule over the weak, humans must work as a concerted machine, throwing their lives away if necessary.
>t. Ping Pong Zhou, Chinese philosopher
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>>159554340
Really? The entirety of the second book was pretty shit if you ask me. Magical succubus sexytimes + more super hot mystic sexy liberal-land of mute monks where he learns to be a super duper martial artist and swordsman and magician and wow so fun
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>>159539276
Just like that strange growth you recently discovered on yourself, ignore it and hope it goes away by itself and doesn't get bigger
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>>159554465
>Magical succubus sexytimes + more super hot mystic sexy liberal-land of mute monks where he learns to be a super duper martial artist and swordsman and magician and wow so fun
B-but I thought western fantasy isn't wish fulfillment shit!
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>>159554261
China loves rebellions though.
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If we are shitposting about Western fantasy now, I would just like to point out that Ce'Nedra is number 1 GOAT waifu.
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>>159540083
didn't this get axed?
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>>159549572
>Stuff by Brandon Sanderson
>fucking Mistborn
>good fantasy
The fucking guy even establishes a more interesting magic system in his fucking book and still focuses on the autists that eat metal. It's fucking stupid.
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>>159548299
I'd read it.
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>>159548169
well he eventually will become god of jews
like literally
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>>159540083
Source please
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>>159554465
I mean both of those things are like in the last third of the book, and I think we remember them differently.
"Magical succubus sexytimes" was obviously going to happen. We knew he met her, we knew who she was. Also because of that he met determinism cancer monkey which is probably why he's so fucked in present times. It's the worst thing that happened to him in both books.
>mystic sexy liberal-land of mute monks where he learns to be a super duper martial artist
Yeah the xenophobic monk people who train him until he's slightly stronger than their weakest person.
And they don't have anything to do with magic what?
Also I thought the alternate take on sexuality and how they don't understand pregnancy was interesting. So many fantasy authors are like "look at this foreign culture, they have different skin and clothes and maybe food, but they're completely the same othewrwise".
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>>159548299
I hope this is a comedy because otherwise it's really stupid
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>>159554587
Wait is this true? Damn I guess I wait the LN translation which is never.
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>>159554691
I can't stand that guy's writing. It's like every character of his lives in a PG13 world. The most inoffensive, easily-digested shallowest shit I've read.
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