Shoukoku no Altair

First for women are for children, boys for pleasure

I want Kaoru Mori to draw a Mahmut. All those patterns are her calling.

>>159518642
>I remember an Ottoman poem (might even be a book) about the pros and cons of boys of different nationalities. It was weird, yet fun.
link me up senpai
definetly interested

>Shaykh Awḥad al-Dīn Kirmānī (d. 635/1237–8) was a renowned Persian Sufi who became notorious for some or celebrated by others for a practice knownas shāhid-bāzī (literally, “playing the witness”). For Kirmānī this was a ritualised activity that was grounded on a belief that God may be seen by contemplating pleasant faces that bear witness to divine beauty. Shāhid-bāzī in Kirmānī’s case meant gazing at and dancing with young men during musical concerts (samāʿ ), a ritual that for many practitioners culminated in spiritual ecstasy.

tl;dr
Beautiful boys aren't just for pleasure, they can literally help you reach God.

>you will never be shipped with a handsome birb

Feels bad

I'd Zaganos, no homo.

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>>159518328
Is that a Yurio?

>>159519354
No its Mehmet Pasha Hazretleri of Turkiye Stratocracy.

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>>159518407
A practice that continues to this day.

>>159518328
>yfw shahzade Orhan learns the truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ribVzplk7TI

>>159519266
He's a big guy for you.

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>>159519266
like dis?

>>159519821
top kek, from where is this?

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>>159519100
>Beautiful boys aren't just for pleasure, they can literally help you reach God.

>>159519498

>>159518723
>>159520702
Shit, forgot to quote.

I need a doujin where the brown girl tries to seduce MC but it doesn't work. Then she realizes that he's into guys and she trains him to be more feminine, and then MC uses his boipucci to stop the war. Please someone make this happen.

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Anime about Huns/Göktürk when?

>>159520656
Is that visual novel any good m8?

>>159520312

A cultural practice introduced with the spread of hellenism and continued in modern day Afghanistan.

Even though the clip is titled 'Islamic society' it should be noted that this practice is not 'Islamic' in the slightest and even the Taliban strictly enforce against it.

>>159520850
It'd have a good amont of Chinese plotting too, I'd watch it.

If there are any Turkish military history-nerds here, was the Turkish Majra ever used for serious military purposes either in the Seljuk or Ottoman periods? Or was it mostly limited to archery competitions, hunting, or other miscellaneous activities? It seems the Persians sometimes used the similar Nawak when fighting more lightly armed Arabs during the Sassanid period, but I'm wondering if the Turks had any use for it when up against more decently armed foes.

Video of a majra for those who don't know what it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dzX5IMTbVw

>>159521094
I see, thx.

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>>159520850
>Inb4 they adapt Nihal Atsız's Bozkurtlar saga

>>159520969
One of the best.

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>Turkish shit
I'm just watching this for the hot boys.

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>>159519844
Sad moments indeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLPAo6jjQXQ

>>159520007
Zaganos does look like the type of guy who'd have a big dick

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>>159521375

Also why is the OP so bland? It might be the worst Sid song I've ever heard.

>>159518328
>What's your take and opinion on the series?
I don't have an opinion about the series yet, but first episode was TERRIBLE, like hilaruously bad.

I hope it goes better for everyone's sake.

>Begins investigation
>Ends investigation
>Frustrated because the investigation gives no results
>Casually puts his eyes on the FUCKING evidence for the first time
>ITS FAKE!

Not to mention all the bad guys just confesing because? I still don't know why they confessed.

I'm suposed to belive this retarded guy is some sort of genius? Either the anime made an awful adaptation or the source material is not nearly as good as people say.

>>159522085
The manga did a bad job on that part too, but in a different way. They dragged it for too long

>>159522085
I'm not familiar with the source material either, but from what I've gathered, them rushing the first few chapters is for the better, as things seem to get far more interesting later on. I didn't mind the fast pacing of the first episode, but I can see why some would.

>>159522085
>I'm suposed to belive this retarded guy is some sort of genius?
>retarded guy

It sounds like you're already biased against this animu. You already posted the exact same reasoning in the last thread, and only a little earlier in the thread was your answer: the first chapters are rough but long, so they're rushing through to get to the good stuff. There's a lot of info being dumped but it would be hard to keep specialfriends like you up to speed without it.

>>159522085
don't worry
he gets demoted due to his fuck ups later on

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Dropped.

>>159523557
Anon, he just don't wanna be with that Cigani Dancer

>>159523557
>sticking your dick in gypsies
Nigga knows what's up.

>>159523740
He says he's not interested in women, not that he's not interested in gypsy sluts specifically.

>>159523557
Mahmut only loves his country.

İbo a shit for trying to drag him down the path of degeneracy.

>>159523902
nigga he didn't even finished his sentence
translator assumed that he isn't into women

>>159524010
>"Ha? Ore wa onna nanka ni--"
>onna

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>>159523557
>Wanting boys to love girls

You are disgusting.

>>159521316
Got it senpai, already downloaded, I hope it won't disappoint me since I trust your taste.

>>159523557
Fuck bitches, acquire TÜRKIYE

>>159524125
well shit...

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Would you let him make your country his vassal state?

>>159524733
I'd try to marry one of my daughters to him.

>>159524733
Only in exchange for him becoming my pleasure slave.

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>>159518328
>Chapter 96

This manga is a unicorn because the art and plot are both good. Katou Kotono is incredible, she has more or less perfected drawing horses at this point.
I especially enjoy her attention to military details. The small Turkiye horses have had a lot of good exposure in battle, but now we're seeing them being crushed by the empire's war horses. I can't wait until Sense catches up to the raws, it looks like things get desperate.

>>159518328
I like the adaptation so far, but the OST is breaking my immersion. They could've gone with a more Near-East sounding one.

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>>159517694

What specifically do you mean by similar stuff? Did they actually have female concubine harems?

thatsmyfetish.jpg

>>159525879
Thath whole chapter though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R8viSgLTVM

>>159526012
Google Köçek, its similar to Bachabazi stuff except its Ottoman Empire instead of central asia

Anime ruins the story, its too bound up in the usual tropes.

then again Altair has always been shitty t*rk fantasy

It's written by a girl. So is this just gonna be fujoshit? I want bellydancers and female harems.

>>159526175
I don't like boys.

>>159526423
turks are based

>>159519100
Tl;dr

durkas are secretly gay

>>159526440
Nah it's more of a trapbait than fujo

>>159526527
So were ancient greeks and romans m8. Mediterranean nations and the middle east really loved themselves some little boys.

>>159526487
turks are like greeks, trying to relive a long forgotten history nobody gives a shit about anymore because they cant accept theyre shit in the present

>>159526606
nah big difference, greeks and romans were open about it and its still accepted over there today.

Muzzies literally beat the shit out of people and throw them off buildings for even the suspicion of being gay

>>159525041
see>>159523557

Do you have any son?

>>159526609
So they wuz kangz?

>>159525879
Siegfried is the best villain we've had since Sharkteeth and that overly sick guy.

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>>159519100
>HTT is often approached for advice by US and British servicemembers who report encounters with men displaying apparently homosexual tenancies. These servicemembers are frequently confused in the interpretation of this behavior.
> As HTT has observed with frequency while on patrols in Helmand and Kandahar provinces, these men are outwardly affectionate toward both one another and male ISAF members, are extremely gentle in their demeanor and touch, and have often taken great care in embellishing their personal appearance with fingernails dyed red, hair and beards hennaed in careful patterns, and eyes very occasionally subtly outlined.

>In Baghram, British Marines returning from an operation deep in the Afghan mountains spoke last night of an alarming new threat — being propositioned by swarms of gay local farmers.
>An Arbroath Marine, James Fletcher, said: 'They were more terrifying than the al-Qaeda. One bloke who had painted toenails was offering to paint ours. They go about hand in hand, mincing around the village.'
>While the Marines failed to find any al-Qaeda during the seven-day Operation Condor, they were propositioned by dozens of men in villages the troops were ordered to search.

>>159527038
more like we wuz sultanz an shiet

>>159527038
plus most people forgot how the sultanate was a big part of the slave trade. They used to buy african men in the markets and castrate them (sometimes the whole thing) and use them as eunuchs in the palace.

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>>159527038
>>159527210
khanz*

>>159527421
Mongols were khans, the Ottoman empire was ruled by sultans

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I'm going to assume this turkish talk will die in the next episode and rest of the series will be cute boys talk like Arslan.

>>159526669
>homosexuality
>accepted in modern greece
Have you been there?

>>159527640
yes i have, and while some of the older generations dont like it, you wont get killed for it.

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>ottoman propaganda

Do the turks like this?

>>159527531
Pan-turkists hearken back to the Gokturk khans.

>>159527531
Ottomans rulers' main title was Padishah/Caliph
They held Sultan title too but prominent wives of the Padishahs also used that
Final thing; Ottoman rulers also held the "Khan" and "Khaghan" titles as remind them to their nomadic past on the steppes

>>159527728
yeah but some autistic screeching happens like
>REEEEEEEEE ITS OTTOMAN EMPIRE NOT TURKIYE REEEEEEEEEEEE
>REEEEEEEEEE THEY ARE SHOWING US A WEAK NATION REEEEEEEEEEEE
but yeah mos turks liked it

>>159526527
>>159526669
Dancing isn't gay, you retard. Little boys are not preferred in the Middle East for sex, period.

>>159527536
Yesterday's thread was comfier.
I believe that Mahmut's cuteness will eventually save us.

>>159527279
Most people "forget" Romans were big slave traders.

>>159527038
No. Greeks and Turks were the people they attribute themselves of being. This isn't the same thing when it comes to Afrocentrists or Nordic centrists who claim everything from Ancient Greeks to Persians to Egyptians.

>>159527728
Depends. Some suckular retards don't like it. Most Turks do like it.

>>159518328
Disgusting Turkish propaganda. Never watching a mappa show again.

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>>159528281
just embrace the Pasha anon

>>159528281
Keep bitching. There's only going to be more anime/manga related on Turks shown positively.

>>159528281
It's Ottomans you woman fucker, never compare them to modern turks ever again.

>gay turkic shit
mehmet my son

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>>159518328
ED is lit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEMO2nMrdYU

>>159519100
Thanks Hox!

>>159525879
But Kingdom has the best horse for the whole manga medium!

>>159519100
There is no moral/normative prevalent belief in that region of boys being for sexual pleasure.

>>159529523
I never said there was. The quote is specifically talking about one controversial practice within the Sufis, which makes them a minority within a minority. That being said, many Arabs today still see male-male sex in terms of dominance/submission, much like ancient Greco-Roman culture, rather than in terms of a homosexual identity like the modern West.

disregard big-titty brown dancers
patrol the city to fight crime

>>159519844
Why are turkish movies so better?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAdniWncWu4

>>159530227
*Southern Europe and the Middle East

>>159520969
>>159520656
>>159521316
>>159524530
Link?
Whats it about?

>>159518407
Heh

>>159519100
Sounds like regular fag talk to me.

So what are these series main ships.

Also first episode was really badly directed.

Why's Mahmoud so white?

>>159528572
This

>>159533953

It doesn't have any. Seriously, if you're here for shipping, the source encourage any so the anime probably won't either. Look elsewhere.

You're right about the directing. They crammed a lot into the first episode, since there's more content than 24 eps is going to be able to cover. Hopefully it gets better.

>>159534311
It's not only the pacing, I'm talking about the directing. Look at the scene in which Mahmut and and his adoptive father talk or the scene in which he finds his mother, it completely fails to establish the gravity of the situation and the camera is almost amateurish.

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What a fag.
Wow.

>>159534378
That, and they changed it so that he didn't actually witness anything. In the manga he's hiding inside the house whil his mother gets raped and killed, while in the anime he had been taking a stroll elsewhere

>>159533953
The only ships I see are war ships and pirate ships.

>>159532060
Its called The House in Fata Morgana, and the synopsys

>The House in Fata Morgana is set in a mansion, where the player character wakes up with amnesia. They meet a maid in the mansion, and the two visit the mansion in different time periods – 1099, 1603, 1707, and 1869 – to learn what has happened to its residents in the past, and to try to get the player character to regain their lost memories

I haven't played it either but I heard its not an eroge, just a pure visual novel with one of the best recent story line tho.

>>159534378

Agreed, that was bad too, I just fell into the stock response because I hope that's what caused the lack of immersion. They're trying to reveal a lot of information about the MC before they've shown any reason to care about him. Constant close-up shots of big anime eyes are lame and a bit lazy too.

This show is weird. It expects you to feel sympathy for roaches.

>>159527728
Seeing how popular the TV series Magnificent Century got which is based on the life of Sultan Suleiman I'm pretty sure they love it.

>>159521094
>this practice is not 'Islamic' in the slightest
Despite the fact that it is only a neccesity in Muslim countries...

>>159534714
I heard the director of Altair used to be big shot in 90s
Guess he now has George Lucas syndrome huh?

What's this dumb kid trying to prove? Can't he see that everyone already knows that it was a false flag?

>>159535434
That's the point, everyone knows this.
Most of the members Divan and Empire's council wants war, however except the Halil pasha and the emperor Goldbalt which are prominent figures of the respective parties.
What Mahmut did was the delaying the inevitable, thus he paid a price for that.

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>>159535218
>George Lucas syndrome

kek. Really though, it would be a shame if he trashes the rep of the source material with a weak adaptation.

>>159535741
Kingdom had a terrible CG anime but it ended up getting two seasons and even got some people to start reading the manga.

>>159535741
>Turkish on a manga cover
Does the mangaka speak Turkish? Then I'll respect her even more.

>>159535965
Dunno but she definetly knows her way around Turkish words
The only complaint that i have that she used "Türkiyeli" which triggers my nationalist autism but yeah, guess she sensed that Turkish readers might be sensitive about this then changed it to "Türk"

>>159530065
>many Arabs today still see male-male sex in terms of dominance/submission
That's not true. homosexuality is not seen in terms of dominance submission. It's simply seen in terms of what it is: Male and male sex. And it's not seen in a positive light.

>controversial practice within the Sufis
That practice is not controversial at all. In fact that Sufi wouldn't be renowned if it was.

Most of inspection of homosexuality in the Near East and beyond by Westerners tends to be wishful thinking and desperation to try to paint homosexuality as if it was normalized. The fact of the matter is, in reality, the common aspect was pederasty and that was restricted to the Greco Roman culture and some of its leftovers. Beyond that, homosexuality was not approved and would be heavily punished. Vikings would kill those partaking in homosexual acts and so would other peoples including various Middle Easterners from ancient Zoroastrians to various Abrahamic peoples.

>>159518328
Damn, the head wear is impressive

>>159535179
It's pretty much reserved to Afghanistan. It's a cultural practice that's probably a leftover from Greek influence. You're a retard for thinking something happening in one country must be happening in other countries.

And putting all Muslim majority countries in one basket is retardation. There are very wide range of cultural practices.

>>159536220
Looking at the manga and her use of Turkish words, I too got the feeling that she has knowledge of the language.

>Türkiyeli
I'm not even nationalist, but it still sounds awkward and forced to me. If she thought as far as not triggering people, my levels of feeling of sasuga for her will be even higher.

>>159530065
>>159536315
Also, Arabs =/= Turks or Iranian peoples. I'm guessing you're American for making this very easy mistake.

>>159518328
Is it true that there's no mainstream religions in this series?

I'm pretty sure I noticed some mosques in the opening/ending and the Turkiye city Mahmut lives? What's up with that?

>>159536466
Actually mangaka supposed have "Turkish" friend that she asked lotta stuff before doing the Altair.
And i suspect that "Turkish" friend of hers is either actually Kurd or Leftist.
Like Mahmut's Turban on the early cover art for example, its identical to what Kurdish tribesmen wear back in those days...

>>159536642
No Mainstream religions exists but their symbolisms are
Like you could see mosque and cathedral like buildings (even crosses and caliph's flag) but it seems Author pussied out last minute judging from early chapters

>>159536543
I never said Arabs were Turks so I have no idea where you're even getting this from. I simply made a comment about one Arab view on male-male sex. Also, you're trying to paint male-male sex as limited to mainly Afghanistan and as a fringe practice shunned by most Muslims. Obviously, there aren't any countries that would be as open as Western countries about the legal status of gay marriages, but there's plenty of modern-day accounts of male-male sex that nevertheless persists outside of the state's watch, as well as plenty of academic literature tracing its practice in history. So if I am reading your posts correctly trying to marginalize homosexuality in the Islamic world, I am highly skeptical. Give me some papers to read arguing your point though and I'd be willing to change my mind.

Again, my original point wasn't that homosexuality was either widespread or non-existent.

>>159536989
Oh I see, that explains it, thanks.

I guess still by placing mosques in Turkiye she's at least implying that they're Muslims right? She probably went with that "leave it to the reader to decide" thing.

>>159537457
That's a anthill not worth stirring.

>>159537457
Yes it 1:1 looks like an islamic mosque but it's re-purposed and no longer to do with islam. People re-purpose symbols and architecture all the time (take the swastika for example). I view it less as a pussy-out move and more as taking inspiration for her story while leaving behind the parts not relevant.

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>>159537842
As a Muslim guy I love seeing Islam represented in anime/manga, so this show was one of my most I was looking forward to. I know its not 100% Ottoman and Islam isn't mentioned anywhere but it just feels good to see beautifully drawn mosques and "Muslim" characters in anime/manga.

Same with Magi, too bad there isn't much of series with Islam in it tho as I know Islam is still pretty small in Japan

>>159537223
The anime is about Ottomans. And the Sufi you mentioned is Persian. The commentary about Arabs was offtopic. Anyway, Arabs certainly don't have the viewpoint you presume them to have. Meet actual people, visit the countries or read a factual book. Your assessment couldn't be further from the truth.

>>159537223
>Also, you're trying to paint male-male sex as limited to mainly Afghanistan and as a fringe practice shunned by most Muslims.
Wrong. Homosexuality is present pretty much everywhere where humans are. So is incest, zoophilia, and pretty much any sexual activity that are known to people. My claim is that homosexuality isn't common and not accepted in the Middle East, especially not in Arab countries.

>academic literature tracing its practice in history.
A lot of it is confusing actual homosexuality (sex between males for example) with poetry about young boys being wine servants. At best there can be a guess about homo eroticism, but even that is stretching it.

>Give me some papers to read arguing your point though and I'd be willing to change my mind.
Kek. It's like you're arguing about unicorns existing in some past and I'm calling bullshit on that. You can't really prove a negative. But you can certainly call out mythical nonsense. The burden of proof is on you. I've seen plenty of Western "academics" talking about homosexuality in Ancient world and in the MIddle East. It's mostly wishful thinking.

>>159537457
>>159538500
It's like Game Of Thrones in a way. It's historical (low) fantasy. Just like Game of Thrones doesn't have a real world religion despite alluding to some, the manga doesn't literally have a world religion.

>>159537842
Yeah it's not a pussy out move at all. It's just how historical fantasy usually works. It's hard to have real world religions and have fantasy in the same setting.

>>159538718
Ah, okay, the good old "only my sources are factual." I wouldn't mind having an actual discussion but if you're simply going to equate one side pointing out occurrences of homosexuality to that of proving the existences of unicorns, I can see that it'll be futile and a waste of time for both you and me.

Well, whatever, at least you're not one of those people who try to argue that homosexuality didn't exist at all until Westerners brought it.

>>159538500
The mosque on that pic looks like a copy-paste drawing of real Suleymaniye Mosque in Istanbul.

Impressing stuff from the author.

>>159536457
I'm sure you will get great rewards in the afterlife for your valiant defense of those kindhearted people.
Any other ancient people you wanna blame for what your degenerates are doing today?

>>159534742
Fuck off.

Anyone know who the director was for the 1st episode? They didn't do it justice.

Director is Kazuhiro Furuhashi