>dubbed anime Why do American VAs always sound so dull and

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>implying all dubs are bad

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>>159515360
Think about who watches dubbed anime. Weebs, and even then only a small subset of weebs. Funimation and the likes can hire actually good VAs to appeal to an utterly marginal audience, or they can hire run-of-the-mill ones and pocket more profits. Which do you think sounds smarter?

Good VAs do American animation, mostly for Disney and Dreamworks and the like. Sometimes the stars align and you get a great anime dub, but
1. that's the exception rather than the rule
2. that usually happens for anime that have some kind of normie appeal. The two posts above prove my point: Hetalia is fujoshit barely anyone even among anime enthousiasts watches, while Space Dandy is more or less in the same category as Cowboy Bebop (or at least tries to be).

Japanese animation dubbing is kind of like Christian contemporary music. It's a niece appeal fanbase and they take whatever they can get even tho a large percentage of the base considers doing it an act of sacrilege. The other thing it has in common is that if you're good enough to get out of it you get the fuck out and don't look back. Katy Perry

>>159515874
*niche

>>159515874
>Katy Perry and Bryan Cranston taught me that.

>>159515360
What's worse is the VAs are all trying to get better wages for their shit jobs.
Like fuck
I had to listen to Milla Maxwell's English VA instead of Sawashiro goodness, and they think they deserve higher wages?

>>159515360
Most American dub VAs are failed TV/movie/stage actors.

Remember during April Fool's day when /v/ and /int/ were combined and everyone began posting without realizing their country would be revealed? All of the posters complaining about how dubs were awful in the Persona 5 threads were Latin Americans. They are uneducated apes that can't speak English and certainly can't speak Japanese. Just keep that in mind next time you see someone espousing such an opinion.

>>159515460
literally all of watanabe's dubs are godly

Nice another dub thread! All /a/ needs is a few Naruto threads and some amv threads to be perfect!

>>159515360
Because it's anime

IIRC even union dub for anime pay less than non-union dub for video game

>>159515360
Stop creating new dub threads as soon as the other is removed.

>the HnK dub changes all of the original score
I don't know who did this but they need to be killed

>>159516013
Most decent VAs eventually leave anime dubbing and go to video games since that usually pays better. Only the shitty ones stay in anime.

>>159516736
But Yuri Lowenthal does video games and cartoons, and still does anime dubs.

>>159515838
>hetalia is fujoshit
yes i'm with you
>that barely anybody watches
The fuck? I don't know a single female anime fan that doesn't fucking love hetalia

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>>159516901
When it opened his mouth I recognized Yuri Lowenthal's voice immediately

>>159516901
>Lowenthal

When was the last time he dub a "new character" in anime these past few years?

I'm not talking role reprisal like Sasuke and others. I'm talking about new Lowenthal role in anime

>>159517019
Everyone one can tell when something's a Yuri Lowenthal. He does the same voice in almost everything. I don't know how he gets all these jobs.

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>>159517110
B-but I like his voice

>>159515360
It really depends.

Baccano's dub was actually pretty good overall. They made good use of the various accents the characters would actually have, for instance, which is something the Japanese version can't get across. Kindof like how in the Azumanga Daioh dub they gave Osaka a Texan accent, but the other way around.

>>159515360
Dialog has to match the mouthflaps of the original so the lines the actors get to work with are fucky.

>>159516013
Do she really needs a better wage?

Minae Noji (Milla ENG VA) is also a TV actor. I'll say her resume is actually more impressive than Yuri Lowenthal, Matt Mercer, Laura Bailey and others "anime games" dub VA, because at least she has a role in TV and movies

>>159515360
Am I the only one who finds modern dubs to be entirely unremarkable? Sure, they aren't anything to write home about, but they're not total fucking abominations like most dubs in the late 90's/early 2000's

>>159516013
I've actually heard this but don't know much about it. Elaborate?

>>159517308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxJ4VWoeOzs

>God, this script is terrible and no one is going to watch this piece of shit. Let's just do whatever we want.

>>159515360
The example you posted is the opposite of dull of boring. I wouldn't call it good, but he sounds like he's on cocaine.

>>159516917
Hetalia has been a massive cringe pool for female anime fans in their twenties for some time now. Do you only know middle schoolers?

>>159517364
>MOST
also golden boy is superior

>>159516356
This

>>159517415
No, but they sure as hell act like them sometimes

>>159517429
Never heard the dub for Golden Boy.
Also, have you read the manga? It gets WEIRD.
>The manga is now entirely about psychological manipulation and "reprogramming" people
WAT

>>159515360
There was once a show so terrible, with such poor sales, that the animation studio told the English VAs "just do whatever you want, we don't care". The result was so successful that they translated the ad-libbed English lines back into Japanese and it actually sold better in Japan than the original Japanese show ever did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D-cIgFytxo

>>159517110
>I don't know how he gets all these jobs.

He seems to be semi-retired these days or more selective in choosing his role.

You won't hear his voice in at least 95% of "anime-style" video games these days. He usually voice acted in western games right now

>>159517497
>he hasn't watched golden boy
truly a denizen of neo-/a/

>>159517474
>sometimes
You're generous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuphQkD0fUI

>>159517553
Don't insult middleschoolers like that, come on now

>>159517552
I haven't watched the DUB of golden boy. I watched it with dem ol' yellow subs FUCKBOIIIII. It only took me months to download that shit on dialup, lol.

>>159516267
I'd love to see this happen at random with other boards. Put flags on /his/ for a day, I want to see how many of these "Germans" are just LARPing Americans.

>>159517657
I think all boards should at least have thread-specific poster ID's to avoid confusion in conversations with a group of people and to prevent samefagging.

>>159517544
Is this fucking real?
This sounds like an abridged version.

>>159517474
True, but irrelevant to what we were talking about beforehand.

>>159517718
100% real. Another interesting example of dubs being REALLY off is Samurai Pizza Cats. IIRC, they received the video but didn't have the script so they just made it up as they went along.

>>159517718
Yes, it's real. You can look it up, it's called Ghost Stories. They just let the VAs do whatever.

>>159517730
See, that was me conceding the point. That the female anime fans are middle schoolers, or at least act like them sometimes.

Is there any other media that has as much polarized shitflinging when it comes to dubbing than anime? I've never come across people so adamant on both sides regarding the topic. I thought the most commonly held consensus across all forms of media, anime or not, is that you should just roll with the original audio for almost anything.

Or is it just a result of the english anime dubbing industry being plain shit?

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>>159517822
This shit is why I like Bobobo so much.

>>159517718
yes and it's glorious

>>159517415
Hetalia is 90% middle school/high school girls and 10% middle school/high school boys who like history and don't know they're gay yet.

>>159515360
Because the kind of person who watches english dubbed anime doesn't care about the quality of it.no matter how shitty it is they will eat it up. If they cared they would watch the original jap version.

>>159517885
>the english anime dubbing industry being plain shit
Pretty much this.

>>159517711
I think you should improve your post reading skills, you can almost always tell who is who by syntax alone

>>159517927
Yeah, definitely. I don't know a single female anime fan who isn't massively embarrassed by Hetalia today, but they were all into it as adolescents.

>>159517885
Japanese games that don't have an option for Japanese Audio can be pretty painful, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAtC1SzWSXg

>>159517885
Its because people who watch eng dubbed anime are retarded. There is no point in reasoning with them since they will watch it dubbed no matter how much it sucks.

>>159518127
Chaos wars dub is the greatest dub of all time.

>>159517927
>10% middle school/high school boys who like history and don't know they're gay yet.

It's not gay if it's a metaphor for international politics

>>159518015
I spend most of my time over on /k/. When you get into technical discussions about stuff, it can get really confusing really quickly.

>>159517885

I haven't ever met anyone who's watched a non-english European movie and said, "Yeah but where's the english dub?"
Anime and nipshit just attracts the most retarded of scum.

The speech patterns of the Japanese are different than those of English.

The reason why dubs sound so unnatural to some people is because they are essentially unnatural.
It's a person who speaks English speaking English like a Japanese person speaks Japanese.

So dubs either turn out passionless because the person speaking barely uses any intonation or they turn out weird because the person tries to use a Japanese speech pattern when speaking English.

>>159517885
See, what happened was that dubs in the 90's/early 2000's were genuine shit. Unpaid interns, or people who were basically unpaid interns, would voice anime, or they hired awful talent, or had shit scripts, or some combination thereof. When I watched Saikano, this was made painfully obvious to me I still fucking loved the show despite the blatantly terrible dub.
But, since about 2008 or so, middlemen like funimation finally got their act together and started hiring actual voice talent. Additionally, they made the default voice for their products to be the dub, so new fans would watch the dub and think "huh, this is ok" and so when older people who grew up with the dubs being pretty much automatic shit talk about how shit dubs are either not knowing or not caring that the situation has changed the new fans get super defensive and dig their heels in, which cause the old fans to dig their heels in too, and now we have a super polarized issue.

>>159518246
I've heard someone ask that about Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain, but that person was borderline retarded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyo4tNwNIvQ

>>159518232
...or you're just shit at reading between the lines

>>159515360
Because talented voice actors don't dub anime. Almost all anime dubs get the same pool of B-tier and C-tier voice actors.

French dubs were a thing of wonder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU_rSOAAnAc

>>159518321
>actual voice talent
What this anon >>159518404 said, basically. It's gotten better than the worst, but by and large it's still bad. When OP asks if ENG VAs are "properly trained", the answer will be "no" for almost every VA in the English business. Voicing anime isn't an actual career path, here, so there's not going to be much of a talent pool available.

>>159518400
Some people are obvious, but when you have 50 people in a thread talking about the functionality of a specific gas operating mechanism with anecdotes, test results, varying implementations, etc... It isn't always obvious and I've had more than a few people miss-attribute comments to me or have my comments miss-attributed to others in the thread and it's annoying.

>>159518494
Parisian dubs always annoyed me, DESU.

>>159518555
When I say actual voice talent, I mean compared to literally unpaid interns. I remember watching a clip of some gundam or something dub from the 90's and the voice actor was reciting lines from the script in a monotone during an action scene. It was the saddest thing I've ever seen.

I thought OPM's dub was ok, but a lot of the speech is meant to be cheesy to begin with.

>>159518832
Fuck off back to /r/anime,newfag.

>>159518919
>everyone who disagrees with me is reddit

>>159518566
I don't think 4chan is for you.

>>159518981

>>159518952
No, not everyone. Just mentally challenged newfags like you.

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>>159517718
It's real.

How did they get away with this?

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>>159519070
>Not wanting people to samefag or having conversations derail constantly because people lose track of who made which comments is bad

I actually like Laura Bailey

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>actually defending dubs
Summer, not again.

>>159519378
I'm fairly certain that most of us are here for actual discussion, and therefore don't do pathetic shit like samefagging.
As for the other point, why is your identity important or relevant? If you must refer to another post you link to it and avoid mentioning the author altogether.

>>159519378
Having ID's just encourages people to go full retard.
At least if there are none you have to be on your guard about shitposting and replying to it.

>>159519477
I'm going through her list and while I do know some of these characters I don't remember their voice

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>>159515360
Have you accepted Jamieson Price as your personal lord and saviour? I have.

>>159519835
this is actually a good point, being shielded from harm makes you weak

>>159515360
All the good VAs work in the video game industry. Aside from a rare handful of shows, America doesn't give enough of a fuck about dubbed anime to warrant more than a minimal effort.

>>159519883
oh this guy was Dietard, his voice is super distinct, I remember hearing it randomly during one of the many cawa doody campaigns and being excited that I knew who it was

>>159519978
He was the reason I watched Gankutsuou and Planetes dubbed, though I have to say that Gankutsuou dub lacked compared to original, although watching Planetes dubbed was really a pleasant experience.

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>>159515360
>Watching dubbed anime
You only have yourself to blame, buddy.

>>159520217
>Gankutsuou dub lacked compared to original
I meant the rest of the cast, I wouldn't swap mr Price for Jouji Nakata

>>159520217
Gankutsouo has such a good original VA though I would probably be disappointed no matter who it was.

>>159519845
You'd know it if you heard it; she uses the same voice for at least 3/4 of who she plays.

>>159518717
Yeah, but you get what I and that other anon are saying, right? They're "talent" but they're never going to actually excel. The moment they do, they won't be working in anime anymore.

>>159520455
I dunno, they sound ok to me. I've actually interacted with some of these people, and they tell me that voice acting for anime is difficult (basically because you have to lip sync) and doesn't pay all that well, especially compared to doing voice acting for TV commercials and such (which apparently is not only miles easier and is less work but pays better on top of both), so they concluded that the reason they still do anime is because they really enjoy it (either the anime or the work).

Of course, this was in a public setting, so they could have just been playing the public facade fiddle.

>>159520756
I heard basically the same from Matt Hill.

>>159521123
He could be playing the public facade fiddle too, it's not like outright telling the public that you would be doing something else if you were just a little bit better at your job is something you're not allowed to do as a professional.

I'm inclined to believe them though.

>>159521276
I mean... he started in western cartoons like Ed, Edd n Eddy, sooo...

>>159521276
>>159521347
Hell, his first role was Captain N...

>>159521347
>>159521393
>ellipses
stop this

>>159521429
...
No...

I prefer dubs solely because it doesn't require me constantly look at the screen a read to know what going on and being able to multitask is a convenience I'll never have with subs.

>>159516013
The Tales dubs are passable, for example English Jude sounded a lot better than Jap Jude. Bad forced dubs are less of an issue in games.

>>159522087
I recently played Berseria and compared the eng dub to the jap, and I thought basically everyone except the annoying little one sounded much better, especially magilou.

>>159520756
Why the fuck do they care about lip sync, when the original studios didn't?

>>159522016
日本語に覚えて、ばか外人

>>159522283
I used to think the same thing, until I watched something where lip sync was clearly not done to any degree, some korean show on netflix. It's unbelievably jarring to have a voice actor speaking while the character's mouth they're supposed to be representing is clearly not moving and hasn't for several seconds. Terrible lip sync was also a staple of aforementioned awful dubs and so extra care is taken to avoid it.

>>159522160
Didn't play the dub on Berseria because I choose sub when it's an option, but even if it sounds worse it's not totally shit like anime dubs because they have the budget to hire people that somewhat know what they're doing. I probably phrased it in a bad way because of my comment about Jude.

>>159522474
Either way I agree vidya dubs are generally better than anime dubs.

>>159515360
it gets even worse once those talentless voice actor hacks have to read down the political agenda crap the equally talentless translator hacks dumped on the original script

>>159520756
>and doesn't pay all that well
Which is why it will never be a viable industry in NA. You're right; people who voice dubs do it because they like to do it, generally, and it's not a sustainable career. But this means you aren't going to get great actors doing this sort of work. Nothing you said negated what I said--it's a passion project for most dubbers, I understand that, but they're never going to be the cream of the crop in the anime industry. Most of the time, if a dub VA makes it big somehow, they're not going to continue focusing on dub work. If a person who is great at easier work with more exposure is going to get paid less doing anime, why would they continue to do anime?

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>>159517110
Because he won the lottery.

>>159522648
>why would they continue to do anime?
because they like doing it, which was my point.

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>>159522466
But why are they changing the script and delivery just to accommodate some animation where the brief was literally "flap this mouth a bit so we know who's talking"?

>>159522646
I actually can't remember the last time I encountered blatant ideologue insertion on the part of the translator like that in my chinese cartoons or chinese video games

>>159522868
I literally just explained it to you.

>>159522887
Unless you played the original, how would you know?

Animu is unique amongst animu mango and vidya in that you get the translation and the original at the same time and can compare them.

>>159515838
It's honestly hard to find someone that actually understands this. US media doesn't have the same appreciation for anime. It's obvious Japanese voice actors are passionate about their work, whereas most American va either give no effort, or try way too hard and end up turning every character into a super serious, melodramatic cunt, which is basically an archetype in dubbed anime now thanks to the shitty amercian va that all sound the same

>>159522983
Plenty of video games come equipped with the JP track.

>>159522806
And my point is because the industry is full of people who only do it because they enjoy it, and don't get paid well, we're never going to have more than a handful of standout actors in the scene.
We're talking in circles. I understand why dubbers do what they do, yes. I'm saying it being a labor of love or whatever doesn't mean there's going to be great talent.

>>159516267
Then explain why Spanish dubs are actually better than American dubs on a regular basis, stupid fuck

>>159522983
Usually I play a vidya at least twice, and switch the dialogue language on the second playthrough, and since I'm not an EOP plebeian, I can tell when the translator is going way offscript.
I don't read a whole lot of manga though so that point is moot either way.

>>159523090
>Plenty of video games come equipped with the JP track.
You usually still have to read the shitty dubtitled scripts, like in Nippon Ichi games.

>>159523171
This is only an obstacle if you're an EOP, which you clearly are.

>>159522944
No you didn't: the original media is literally what you described, yet the native consumers of the original media in its original native format give literally no fucks.

Why are they fucking with the script and reading along to a guitar-hero timeline when in its original form it's considered good enough that the actor is speaking whilst the mouth is twitching? Why do the American localisers have such a hardon for something the original Japanese producers and the original Japanese audience give literally zero fucks about?

I find it hard to believe it's because of the American audience, or none of them would be paying sub-only localisers like CR, or all of CR's customers would be complaining about the Japanese lip sync.

>>159523221
There are non voiced parts of game text you know

>>159523221
I think you might be an ESL, because "EOP" isn't an English acronym.

>>159523336
I thought it was "English only person"

>>159523225
It IS because of the American audience. Some of them want dubs, and previous dubs have suffered from incredibly poor lipsync, which, as I said earlier, is unbelievably jarring. Thus, extra attention is spent on the script writing and voice actor delivery.
>>159523336
English Only Person you dumb cunt.
>>159523316
You can probably tell if they're going way off script from the voiced parts alone.

Video games are worse. It's the same handful of actors that make every character sound like the same boring, emotionless robot. And they think they are doing a good, professional job with unions and shit. Fuck them. I'm glad more and more games are letting us have the original voices

>>159519725
moot confirmed that summer doesn't exist.

>>159515838
I believe a person just needs to be a native speaker and to get training. Then he is as good (or almost) as any other VA. It's not 100m sprint where you have to be especially talented and not only need training.

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>>159522887
Maid Dragon had a scene where they discuss the patriarchy
Prison School had Gamergate

>>159523872
It's what the target audience wants to hear.

>>159523113
>EOP plebeian
>English Only Plebian Plebian

Dubbing anime is low pay, so it attracts low talent.

>>159523872
I watched neither of those shows, but I did read the Prison School manga.
>patriarchy
Is this for real? I'm going to have to look this up; it's hard to believe they're looking to pander to SJWs, I can't see them liking Maid Dragon

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>>159518015
I change my syntax if I get proved wrong in an argument.

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>prefer dub voices and music
>don't like watching censored
What's her name /a/?

>>159523459
>>159523407
If you hadn't made it up or literally translated another language's idiom, it would be in a dictionary.

It's not.

http://www.acronymfinder.com/EOP.html
http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/EOP

>>159523459
So why isn't the American audience complaining about the lipsync in the original soundtrack then?

Why isn't there a mass exodus from CrunchyRoll over its "unbelievably jarring" lipsync?

>>159524674
Simple solution: never get proven wrong in an argument.
>>159524820
Are you a fucking idiot? Why do you think those normalfag sites are going to feature what's basically 4chan slang? If you had spent ten fucking seconds searching the archive you could have figured this out yourself.

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>>159515360
We've had an uptick in dub threads lately. And people believe summer doesnt exist

>>159524906
When I read the word "soundtrack" I think of the background music. If you mean the original sub, I can't think of a single instance where the sub is as badly lip-synched as what I have in mind. I mean, literally, one second after the onscreen character has stopped flapping his lips, the voice actor will still be delivering his line.

>>159525039
>summer doesnt exist
moot proved that it doesn't.

>>159524820
What kind of autism is this?

>>159523658
It's acting, a skill which does require talent in the field. Unless you're one of those who believes that "anyone can act" to a top tier degree.

>>159525971
Pretty much this. Good acting transcends language.

It's something shit-tier VAs, be it nip or whatever, always trip on.

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Reminder that if you're a native english speaker you're HEAVILY biased on the topic of english dubs and should carefully weigh your arguments and opinions before posting.

>>159524760
Are you asking me to dox dubfags who I know in real life? I'd help you but I don't know such people.

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>>159525193
Sure, but in >98% of them, the line doesn't match the mouth movements in any respect apart from starting when they start and ending where they end.

Yet the American studios then go on to modify their script and their performance to match the animated equivalent of someone doing the talky gesture with their hand.

1) Small talent pool due to union rules
2) Most are failed actors who've only done stage plays, ie not professionally trained in voice acting.
3) Renting recording studios is expensive, so they rush through and only get one or two takes per line.
4) They typically record alone, so there's no "dynamic" back and forth between actors.

Basically the deck is stacked against dubs. Every now and then one comes out that is pretty good, or at least tolerable to listen to.

>>159526460
It's probably an overcompensation for one of the most obvious issues with 90's dubs: awful lip sync

also, when I said to match the lip flap, I mean pretty much what the Japanese "match the lip flap" means. I can think of many instances where the words didn't really match the particular mouth flap frame (for example, making an O sound when the mouth is open rather than when it is closed) in dubs.

>>159525971
>It's acting, a skill which does require talent in the field. Unless you're one of those who believes that "anyone can act" to a top tier degree.
Yeah, I believe this. Brains are plastic. Only a few people can't become everything they want that needs brainpower. Usain Bolt's body probably has a slightly better design than most people's, so he is better than most (or all) people at 100m sprint. Still, brains are plastic (and compared to a snail everyone is fast at moving 100 meters forwards and compared to an eagle Bolt is almost exactly as slow as any other person).

>>159525835
Maybe back then it didn't but now people gotta face the music and accept that maybe summer is a thing. Its either summerfags or redditfugees, both of which need to leave.

>>159528150
Talent--affinity--and brain power complement each other.