Episode 2 in 08h 45m 59s
Jack or riot!
>Remember Yoshiyuki said that the anime will have an original ending.
>Astolfo won was the Grail war.
>He wishes to become a woman.
>He marries Sieg and they have 5 children: Miles, Ryan, Landon and the twins Lexie and Savannah.
>And they lived happily ever after
Sieg's alternate self's past life ex > shit > JANNU > his gay bf
But that's the thing if Gil had literally anyone else's personality hed just stomp 95% of his opponents. His pride/ego prevents him from handling mongrels seriously even though he has literally every noble phantasm, and can counter everyone. Not to mention Ea being retarded stronk
No? Tiamat was released by Goetia in the first place and given a grail to power up and do shit which took a while (she didn't even move until after weeks you got there). Anyway, that was within the singularity, in the real world Uruk was incinerated by Goetia as all timeline.
nope, she is one of the main characters and deutergaonist. the main protagonist is fuking boring homunculus
Yes? Tiamat is Beast II.
>Tiamat was released by Goetia in the first place ...
Tiamat was released by Goetia, and Tiamat fucked up Uruk. That does not equate to Goetia fucking up Uruk. If I give a baseball bat to Person A and Person A hits Person B with my baseball bat, I have not hit Person B with my bat.
>as all timeline
Assuming you meant "in all timelines": wrong. Go back and read it again.
Assuming you meant "along with the rest of the timeline": wrong. What do you think that a Singularity is?
This is a saint(french)
>Tiamat fucked up Uruk.
Tiamat only began to move later. The three goddesses and the pillar before her were the cause of the singularity, not Tiamat. Tiamat was like the Lion-King.
Do you actually know how it works or are you fucking stupid? Tiamat appeared only in the end, the time of Uruk was already incinerated before she could manifest herself. The pillar which fucked off and the goddess alliances was the reason of the singularity, you fucking dumbass. Tiamat's actions got retconned as Artoria's were meant she had nothing to do with the singularity in the first place and what fucked Uruk (real world) up was the singularity which is always caused by Goetia and his minions. She was an extra bonus. An extra bonus whose actions did not count as Nasu's blog reveals, same for the fucking Lion-King because they were not actually tied to the singularity, just got involved.
Either way, Gil's a crownless-spirit that would be unable measure up against any Beast that isn't completely weakened and lobotomized and nearly agonizing as Tiamat was when he appeared when everyone else had done 99% of the job.
>Gil's a crownless-spirit that would be unable measure up against any Beast blah blah blah
I never said or thought that he could or would. Don't impress other arguments into your rants.
Very specific. Known to man. Matches with CCC explanation too.
Shit like Excalibur and any Gaia's weapons, shit like God-blessings, feats, RM, etc are not his and will never be his. He wants to collect them.
So? You still ran your mouth thinking Tiamat created the singularity or incinerated Uruk when it was wrong. She simply made the situation worse when you were on your way into solving the order. Like how the Lion-King's interference made your job a big pain in the ass, but the singularity and, thus, the history of that era was already incinerated prior to their arrival or manifestation.
ASSassin of black hips aren't big enough
Yes, but only if King Hassan did his thing first. It's one of the few NPs that'll hurt Tiamat at all given that she's immune to anything of A++ rank and below. Even so, without King Hassan making her able to be killed, it wouldn't work.
Whatever answer you're given, it's worth noting that all the strongest Servants in a particular class are of such a similar strength that it's pointless asking which one is better. Like, as an example, Enkidu is constantly referred to as Gilgamesh's equal, but so is Karna, and then you've got people like Lancer Alter with Rhongomyniad that's also EX rank and shit.
The only proper way to answer that question is by listing a group of Servants for every class.
Vasavi probably has enough firepower to kill her, but Tiamat is immune to death unless everything else in the world is killed first, or King Hassan gives up his Grand Container to force the concept of "death" onto her.
>uses Grand Caster
Also, Cu Alter isn't nearly as strong as you think he is. His story appearances have him hooked up on grail juice while everyone else isn't. Ozy is also hard-countered by Quetzalcoatl who shitstomped everyone in Babylon besides Tiamat.
Stop fapping to me, it's gay.
Yes. Tiamat is immune to everything below A++ rank which means essentially nothing but Ars Almadel Salomonis and the EX rank NPs should be able to hurt her at all, but with all the buffs you get in Babylon at that point you're able to hurt her. Even so, as long as there's any life on Earth, she's completely immune to death. King Hassan forcing the concept of death onto her was the key to actually making sure she could be killed.
Shoving her into the underworld was their first plan but all that really did was force her Chaos Tide into overdrive to the point that it'd cover the whole world, not just the ocean.
>I would think that the information on karna's np is misleading
That thought is correct.
Gods don't even exist in the same dimension/realm as everyone and everything else, in the Nasuverse. Saying "I can kill the gods with this almighty spear" is about the same thing as saying "I can probably hit the Throne of Heroes with this rock if I throw it far enough". You kinda laugh, unsure if the speaker is serious, and then say "yeah, okay".
Ignoring them in their Grail containers. They still tend to be strongest out of their class.
Cu Alter still has his 50km range Gae Bolg that can target fifty targets and explodes after it hits, which combined with his personality makes him too tough to deal with.
Ozy is still stronger. Even in direct fight, he should win thanks to his EX ranked beam NP, and besides that he just has too much overwhelming power, utility and general bullshit for her to take his spot away from him.
Now you're just shitposting. Karna got Vasavi during the Age of the Gods, and if they stick with the Puranic sources then he got it before Gilgamesh initiated the split that turned the gods from gods to hollow divine spirits that can't interact with the world. It's Anti-God because it can actually kill gods, not because it's some vague metaphorical thing.
>Tiamat is immune to everything below A++ rank which means essentially nothing but Ars Almadel Salomonis and the EX rank NPs should be able to hurt her at all
But isn't Karna's NP EX? Or did I miss something?
Using that NP also severely damages Cu Alter himself, and the only way he's not damaged is by using instant runes to heal himself, meaning that using that NP is a mana drain from the NP itself, the instant healing runes he needs to use with the NP, and supporting a Servant with Mad Enhancement at EX rank.
I'll admit though, I've never seen the 50km range thing. Source?
As for Quetzalcoatl, wait for mats. She's got like three NPs and we only have information on one of them, immediately discounting her is dumb as hell, plus the fact that Ozzy's greatest NP is a temple and the one NP we do know is explicitly Anti-Temple category.
Yes, you are. In terms of pure firepower, Vasavi would certainly hurt Tiamat, and considering it's a weapon created and designed to kill gods, maybe it could even kill her. The issue is that even if it could do enough damage to kill her, as long as there's life on Earth, Tiamat literally cannot die, even if she should have taken enough damage to kill her. You can use as many NPs as you want, but unless you've killed all life on Earth beforehand or King Hassan did his thing, she's not going to die.
Cu combines his two modes as Alter, and we know that his thrown version has 40km range from HA. I use 50km because it sounds cooler.
And you can expect him to be capable of using it at least once before refiling, which is frankly enough.
Quetz could end up being stronger, sure. But we already know two of her NPs, which is to say bird and nuke, and Ozy still looks way better.
>The most important thing to note in the line of thought/logic on Tiamat is that she's not even a proper god.
Implying White Titan isn't even a God, but Karna mentions the same that his NP is God slaying weapon and then proceeds to wreck white titan.
It's not exactly a perfect combination given that Gouging Spear of Carnage doesn't seem to seek the heart of the enemy that it's thrown at. Also, I get that you're using a thing from Hollow Ataraxia, but as a counterpoint, Kazikli Bey has a range of 0-99 and is also explicitly said to have a max range of one kilometer. Gouging Spear has a range of 5-50. It's very, very unlikely that he actually has a 40 or 50km range as a Servant, even if his record in life was 40km. And really, using it at all is a colossal mana drain on anyone, and it didn't even immediately kill the two people it was used on in America.
The fact that you keep calling Altera by that name, alone, makes me want to ignore you. It shows which works that you've paid attention to and which ones you haven't.
You are wrong. Know this, and accept it.
I'm just pointing out that the official statement is that it has less range than Kazikli Bey, which has a maximum range of 1 km. On top of that, a Servant like Cu is nerfed from how they are in life, so even if Cu's record in life was 40 km, he shouldn't be able to come anywhere near that as a Servant.
So they actually added this scene. Why does Darnic behave like Vlad's servant? Even pours wine for him like a butler. He fawns over Vlad too much.
Sefar in her base form. It is, however, worth noting that Karna is using a significantly weakened Vasavi Shakti, and that Gilgamesh in the Japanese version of Extella both confirms Vasavi as a Divine Construct and warns Altera that it's extremely dangerous for her, which makes sense since it works basically the same way as Excalibur does.
>Powerlevel talk on /a/
>It's actually pretty Civil
Some of you guys are allright, don't come to /fgog/ in 9 hours.
Because Vlad was the ruler of Romania and he acts like a prince. Darnic acts subservient because that's what Vlad wants, to a point. He gets pissed off at Darnic's brownnosing at some point.
>caring about typememe reject alt babies that only happened cause they are money milking jews that had no new material so now they make use of pre-drafts into anime to get more money.
>It is, however, worth noting that Karna is using a significantly weakened Vasavi Shakti
Sometimes I wonder how strong is Karna actually? IIRC, in no where the other fate source materials actually shows that Karna is being summon at his prime form but rather a weaker version. We can see that in couple source materials such as Extra CCC where he is without his armor and so forth.
>Gilgamesh in the Japanese version of Extella both confirms Vasavi as a Divine Construct and warns Altera that it's extremely dangerous for her, which makes sense since it works basically the same way as Excalibur does.
Does Chatham that it has enough fire power to even disintegrate the corrupt grail from FSN UBW?
Officially, as a Lancer, he's equal to Gilgamesh. It's worth noting that the one time we've sorta kinda seen Archer Karna was in an Interlude in FGO, and he had Invincibility, Guts, Defense Up, and Damage Cut from presumably Vijaya. He's one of the strongest Heroic Spirits, more than likely.
Also, yes. More than enough, really, using Brahmastra Kundala would be plenty.
Vlad III is a human, but because of the way that Dracula was inspired by Vlad III, he has the ability to transform into a vampire. He detests this and would rather die than use it, and warns Darnic more than once that if he's ever commanded to use it with a CS, he'll kill Darnic first.
Immediately jumps up to kill him, but before Darnic can die he uses his last two CS to command Vlad to get the Grail and then has Vlad engrave Darnic's soul upon his own, which is possible because of Darnic's own magecraft being based on the soul and the massive amount of mana in the CS. It results in a nameless vampire who's obsessed with getting the Grail to propagate its clan and has extremely vague weaknesses that change around based on plot convenience. On that note, apparently being staked through the heart is a weakness that Legend of Dracula does not give Vlad.
Karna is an Hindu hero, which makes him ridiculously broken by default.
Archer Karna could only possibly be inferior to the likes of Archer Indrajit. Curryniggers' power levels is absolutely ridiculous
>How about you admit you fucked up first.
No such thing faggot. Next time get some reading comprehension before trying to stir shit, or stop projecting your ability to fuck up on other people.
>Pelt is a passive NP, just like the rest in your post
Except it both isn't, and we don't even know what it can do.
Now stop being nuisance and fuck off.
SPARTACUS IS ASLEEP, POST OPPRESSORS!
>it both isn't, and we don't even know what it can do
Talking about projecting. If you can't read the description from the novel that doesn't mean other people also can't. And yes, you fucked up, there's no point in denying that.
Jack this episode
>slutty and erotic
Your mistake is in trying to fill in the gaps, rather than admiring how beautiful those clothes look on her.
It's a perfectly comfortable and elegant set of attire to wear under her armor. No panties mean no wedgies, less material leads to less sweat and she's got all the flexibility she needs.
God Hand> Achilles' stuff>Armor of Fafnir
Howling Warmonger is harder to rank.Not sure where exactly to put it. It's awesome but it depends a lot on how hard the other guy can hit to charge.
Oh? Well, even that is more practical than something with lots of material for her. Less prone to shifting around and riding up since it's already more than snug against her. Well, a little wedgie wouldn't distract a knight of the round that easily anyway.
They're the reason I'm watching this show.
It's quite barbaric, but fitting.
Thanks, I was not expecting that exact design. It does make sense as I can imagine it can be undone rather than panties that have to be taken off, so they're better for field work. Good stuff, can't believe I'm saying so.
Her entire design is barbaric, from her personality to clothes to armor, and that's what I like about it.
Artoria comes off as dignified and elegant, but Mordred comes off as a barbarian king. Like they were making some Fate style Frazetta fanart.
You would be an idiot if you think the term "crown spirit" means anything at this point. Merlin is supposed to be a crown spirit but he can measure to gil in power and so is king hassan.
That he used the blood of to cheese through Greece by dipping his arrows in it
It also killed him I think after his wife dipped his shirt in it but that might've been centaur blood
There being any reason at all no matter how petty or small is actually pretty good considering Herc's track record of murdering the fuck out of people in autistic rages
>Just before she had chosen her own death, the woman he had loved said: "You've done nothing wrong. "So please, don't curse the world. Don't hate your own blood. "You're strong, so I'm sure you can do it. "I couldn't."
>Just before he stove his head in and flung him into the flames, what should have been an enemy soldier had said: "Fath—"
Anyone would lose their shit if forced to see the women they love commit suicide and bash his son's head in
I also share birthday with Vlad and the radman and Kojika
>She treats Caules as a cute little brother and in fact half-depends on him—but she isn’t self-aware of this at all and tries to act like a dependable older sister. Caules never boorishly points this out, which makes her all the more delightedly absorbed in being an older sister.
>His way of thinking is simple and dry, and if he were to have faced his sister in a regular Holy Grail War, Fiore would have forever despaired after killing him, but Caules would have resolved himself after having first despaired and unhesitatingly killed her. In other words, his consciousness as a magus is greater than Fiore in a certain sense.
Super Affection>>>>>>>>>> Disillusion >Oath Sign> Brave Shine >ideal white>Kirameku Namida wa Hoshi ni> Eiyuu Unmei no Uta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To The Beginning >>>>>This Shit
Don't worry he's also a wimp
>vainglory feeling perfect for the people chasing after nothing ultimately
>lyrics all but perfectly suited to the premise of the show
How in the world did you develop taste so poor and shallow?
>DID YOU JUST FUCKING ASSUMED MY GENDER?
What the fuck is her issue?
I can't believe a fucking retard like this came out of Saber
>ywn be Astoflo
>ywn be forced to submit to her because you need her mana and she wants to give it to you how she wants to.
>WAAAAAH MY MOM/DAD DIDN'T PRAISE ME.
Im surprised Arthur didn't killed her sooner.
>Unlike the Volumen Hydrargyrum that Kayneth El-Melloi designed, its movement pattern memories are kept to a minimum. When too many movement patterns are recorded into it, it exceeds the thought process limit of the animal spirits. In other words, it is slightly inferior to Volumen Hydrargyrum in terms of attack power. In exchange, its defense—its function to protect its master fully uses the reflex speed of the animals, so it can’t be broken through with a normal Mystic Code. Incidentally, this is a secret to everyone besides Caules, but Fiore gave each arm the pet names Aster, Blanca, Comet and Wolf respectively.
>However, she herself doesn’t know anything besides magecraft and is truly a researcher-type magus. She’s so ignorant of the rest of the world that she seriously asked in confusion, “The Net? You mean some kind of netting?” However, by contrast, she has great curiosity and badgered Caules over his cell phone and got him to buy one for her too.
>After giving up the path of a magus in the novels, she tackles the struggle of rehabilitation for her legs. After that, her life will likely be quite stimulating for a girl who knew nothing but magecraft until then. Of course, her continued regret over giving up magecraft will also remain for her whole life, though.
The visuals are what don't quite live up to the music, I feel. I appreciate the scenes, but the energy doesn't always match up or contrast well enough.
We'll agree to disagree, in a sense.
>artificially aged up so she is fucked up on that front too
>major daddy issues
The first episode of this was an embarrassing struggle to get through. Not sure if this episode will be better or worse. The whole setup of the show is flawed-- it was already hard enough in the other Fate series to introduce 7 masters and 7 servants. Now we're doing 14 masters and 14 servants, plus a bunch of other side characters. They do not have time to flesh out 80%+ of the cast and there is no way we'll care about most of these characters.
Add that they recycled designs, threw in a shota for no reason, and the basic premise is already stupid (muh real grail)... this is going to be a Kampfer level disaster. I mean, I am in, but does anyone expect this to be good? If so, why?
Shirou Kotomine, also known as Master Marik
they're changing things up it seems