Why are isekai that focus on worldbuilding always so fun

Maybe it's an autism thing

They all fail at it, so I wouldn't say they're enjoyable.

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>>159462368
Because if your reading/watching a show about adventures in a new/unknown world, you either have power fantasies or are an explorer at heart with nowhere left to explore.

>>159462688
>are an explorer at heart with nowhere left to explore
That's probably it.

>>159462688
>>159462728

That's definitely a cornerstone of the isekai popularity.

>>159462368
Overlords world is not interesting.

>>159463709
Yeah, there's barely anything explored in the world, it's like 90% power wank.

>>159463755
The whole book for Lizards, Humans, and Dworfs.
I think it's a substantial amount.

>>159462368
>pic not related

>>159464678
>>159464176

at least we get 2 books this year

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>>159465666
Demiurge knows.

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>>159462368
>generic fantasy setting
>video game elements
Great "worldbuiliding"

>>159462368
Overlord is about politics thoufgh.

>>159462368
>people hate overlord now
What happened?

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>>159462368
Because that's what's it all about. Why have a fantastical new land and oportunities if you don't use them? If your little polt could happen anywhere and is not shaped by its sorounding then you did it wrong.

Also, right in the feels >>159462688
>explorer at heart with nowhere left to explore

Just drop the Isekai part and make good fantasy stories.

The problem with Isekai and worldbuilding is that they are often based video games and whatnot.

So the author doesn't even to create a somehow logicial world with own ruleset but just can excuse every nonsense with "it's a game world!".

>>159463709
This.
How to tell if your world building is trash: There's an adventurers guild.
Especially if there's no mention of the guilds that would actually exist such as a blacksmiths guild or alchemists guild. Mages guild is excusable if magic requires research and the mages are secretive about their findings.

>>159469622
Good thing Overlord isnt part of that.
Its not a game world, but a fantasy world where somehow mechanics of a game works even if a bit different. Otherwise so far the worldbuilding is solid. People have lives, politics power struggles ect. Death has a meaning in the overall world because ressurection magic is rare and unafordable or unuseable for common peasents.

>>159470224
You don't know shit about world builing if you think any of those are indicative of world building.
>People have lives
That's not good world building, that's basic common sense
>politics power struggles
"just as planned" is not world building
> Death has a meaning in the overall world because ressurection magic is rare and unafordable or unuseable for common peasents.
This is certainly not world building. That's just a factoid vague enough to be able to be used as a plot point whenever the writer wishes.

>>159470209
There is a mages guild, inventing new magic that didnt exist in the game world.

The adventurer guild was created to protect humanity that is overall inferior to the inhuman beast and creature that roam around. So in order for humanity gaining strengh the adventurer guild was created.

>>159470302
Seriously if a author gives you enough material about a world for me to create a sandbox game out of it as a hobby. Then thats world building for me.

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>>159462688
Personally, I feel that the popularity of isekai is due to the fact that reality is so mundane. What does this world have to offer after all? Nothing, that's what.

>>159470464
I would rather watch isekai then turning into a SJW in order to flee reality.

>>159467350
Newfags

>isekai
>worldbuilding
something seems wrong here

I just like them.
Though the Hero stuff can go eat shit, with few exceptions which I liked.

I like it more when the protagonist turns into a monster or whatever or simply does his own thing without trying to save the world from whatever bullshit.
And fuck harem that you find every so often in those storys. Or if they think of obvious love interests as nothing but "little sister" or whatever bullshit. Shit like that belongs to the trash.

>>159464176
>the whole books about level 100 immortal demigods stomping lizards, humans

>>159462688
I'm constantly trawling through weird sites on the internet if that counts, because that's the most uncharted territory of them all.

>>159462368
Isekai barely focuses on world building because it's too focused on their shit MC's.

When will Nazarik find out Ainz is just a pretender and will end him?
When will Albedo discard Ainz and seek out the pleasure of being cummed insideagain, which he could never provide to her?

>>159470464
It has a lot to offer to people who aren't losers who spend all day alone in their parents' basement watching anime.

>>159462688
>mfw I used to live in a small town surrounded by a big ass forest in my childhood.
>mfw father and I moved to the city when I was 10 because he wanted a better future for me
>15 years later I became a wage slave and ended renting a room just for playing vidya and watching japanesse cartoons all day

T..thanks dad?

>>159467304
>overlord
>not about excessive world building
Maybe you shouldn't talk about something you don't know just because you want to post your shitty meme.

>>159462688
>or are an explorer at heart with nowhere left to explore.
Probably I'm this one.
It's a bit cringy, but I imagine myself isekai'ed to other world/s not as super duper OP guy(it's boring to one-hit stuff), but more as guy who just somehow survives all the bullshit around and gets into fun battles, best if it's against powerful females.

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>>159462688
That's really melancholy, anon

>>159467332
Not about 100lvl gods wrecking shit?

>>159477644
More accurately it would be like dropping a dragon 5 minutes into somebodies Dwarf Fortress game.

>>159478500
Meh, it's doable if you took military dwarves with shields and spears/crossbows.

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>>159467350
It's jut the anti isekai fags who watch every single isekai making a fuss.

The whole point fo Isekai is how awesome the world is and how much you want to be in it

I wish more Isekai built their worlds instead of just ripping off the same Dragon Quest parody

>>159479672
Well the problem is that this is your first DF game ever.

>>159470302
really the entire series is basically how the world at large adapts to the arrival of the Main cast.

>>159472272

Cities can be explored too, as long as it's an actual city and not some shitty commuter town with nothing but box stores.

Forests, by contrast, are dangerous because of the increasing prevalence of ticks and their diseases: lyme, anaplasma, babesia, erhlicia, tularemia and spotted fever.

I love the outdoors and exploring, but shit isn't what it was 5 years ago.

>>159481224
Well, that's just a one settlement, there plenty dwarves for another go.

>>159481841
Fuck ticks.
If God exists, then I bet my ass that he is an asshole to some degree.

>>159481841
Don't forget about chiggers.

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>I want everything explained in 1 vol if it's not it's shit and bad writing WAAAH

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>>159462368
10,000 Years

>>159481841
>I love the outdoors and exploring, but shit isn't what it was 5 years ago.
Could you elaborate? It sounds interesting.

>>159483090
Fuck bugs in general, goddamn little cunts.

>>159462368
Perfect escapism

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>>159462688
ffffffffffuuuug, born just in time to explore isekai

>>159469579
literally this. the biggest, most predominant problem with isekai is the wish fulfillment catering towards an obsessive otaku audience who want
>pure chaste virgin Harem (sex fantasy)
>overpowered self-insert protagonists (power fantasy)
>other juvenile fantasies (like MC-worshipping, money fantasy, etc.)
drop the whole "whoa I was just your average everyday Japanese high schooler when I went to another world where all my wishes came true" bit and your writing improves considerably.

>>159483361
this descripes Ainz godlike luck so well that it hurts.

>>159483216
>Spending many volumes without investigating further into the matter with little-to-no.
> Summoned just cuz MAGIC
> Continue focusing on jobbers that add nothing to the narrative and makes the pov shifts shit by making some flashback right before they die.
Yeah, great. It's shit, wanna give the same response inb4
> SPEEDREADER
> read the novel
> mental boogeyman

>>159479893
>>159467350
>>159471393
No, it's just people are starting to see the bull and hypocrisy of Overlordfags constantly giving the same response to any criticism without looking at their own fanbase. It's shit, and people will start shitting on a series and it's people because of the people.

>>159462368
>so fun to read or watch

I don't see how, I dropped this after being halfway episode two because I was cringing so much I couldn't bear watching anymore.

From what I've seen, it's "WOW MOMONGO-SAMA IS SO GRATE" and a succubus. I watched the first episode and thought holy fuck the cringe. Then the second episode started with a "no tits" joke. Once it got to the point of everybody saying how great Momonga is, and the succubus going full retard I quit.

I just don't get it.

>>159472168
Never.

I dropped RE:Monster a while ago because of the atrocious translations. Has anything happened? Is it up to snuff, worth a look-see?

>>159486805
Imagine finishing a game and getting your achievements listed by a VA at the end game credits, that's what the first 3 episodes pretty much are.

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>>159462688
You could start by leaving the house, faggot.

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>>159472233
>Implying that I'm not a trust-fund kiddy

>>159484555

I have personally observed positives for tickborne diseases doubling every year since 2011, and not simply Lyme. Cocktails of parasites, spirochetese and tularemia are becoming more common.

There's been an increase in requested tests, but also an increase in reported bites. The point that doctors are ordering tick panels and blood cultures on anyone who complains of a bite in a high incidence area.

Records also indicate that temperature and humidity are going up in the summer and decreasing in the winter, meaning more ticks survive into the winter months and are more active during the summer.

I also read this on FiveThirtyEight which is out of my realm of expertise, but correlates with what I've seen:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lyme-disease-is-spreading-and-its-partly-this-mouses-fault/

Unlike other pests, ticks are hardy and the only chemical ways to kill them are toxic to humans as well. The only true solution is to burn down an entire forest, kill all the animals and restart it from scratch.

>>159488730
>Unlike other pests, ticks are hardy and the only chemical ways to kill them are toxic to humans as well.
There is permethrin, but it's more for personal defence and it's applied to clothes as skin contact nullifies it in 20 minutes.

>>159486805

There's two opinions of Overlord, those who like the MMORPG part and those who like the D&D part. When I lurked the Overlord generals, people who disliked the lizards and dwarves worldbuilding (4 + 11) tended to love the power fantasy volumes (1, 7, 9).

I think Climb is the best way to evaluate what Overlord fan you are. If you think he's a great character, you're in the worldbuilding group. If you think he's boring as shit you're in the power fantasy group.

The anime largely only covered the power fantasy bit. Season 2 covers the lizards which is where the worldbuilding gets serious.

>>159488943
> think Climb is the best way to evaluate what Overlord fan you are. If you think he's a great character, you're in the worldbuilding group. If you think he's boring as shit you're in the power fantasy group.
I disagree with this. Maybe I'm just an outlier, though I doubt it, but I am not a big fan of Climb. I don't hate him, but I don't really like him, and I am 100% in the worldbuilding, d&d group

>>159488891

Permethrin is a carginogen, so it is insidiously toxic. That might be surprising, but so is bovine serum albumin apparently, since products containing BSA have carcinogen labels on them.

>>159489165
>Permethrin is a carginogen
What isn't in this cursed world?

>>159489180

In general anything that's going to kill another living thing on contact, I would be highly suspect of it being a carcinogen - for example, RoundUp, which logic says shouldn't be a carcinogen since its agent of action is on plants, but I woudn't be surprised if it is just because of what it does.

I forgot to mention that when I was younger, I would explore random bodies of water too, but these days I'm too scared to do anything because Nagleria fowleri and Leptospira are on the rise and has been found even in colder lakes of Minnesota and Canada.

>>159489346
CEO of Monsanto or other higher up refused to drink despite saying it isn't toxic to humans.

I require your rare nazaricks. also, anyone hype for shieldbro anime? We're also getting it's spinoff adapted into manga and novel

>>159489873
Eh, the Shieldbro manga turned to shit really fast, so I'm not very hyped.

>>159490318
Well, theres alwas the spear hero apinoff. It expores stuff not seen in the novels and does a few what ifs

>>159490454
>Wanting a spinoff of the objectively worst character
Spearfag is a fucking idiot

>>159490515
Thats what we're getting. I wasnt expecting it myself either. But havjng read a few chapters of it before i say sure why not.

>>159477644
It's about that too, sometimes, but it's more about how a level 100 god goes about doing things without wrecking shit.

>>159488943
Season 2 is probably going to be the Lizard Man arc (unless they pare it down and try to fit two arcs in one season). World building probably won't happen until Season 4.

>>159462688
Guess that's why I like fantasy and sci-fi RPG games

>>159462688
>Power fantasies.
>Bad.
Why not both?

>>159487020
Not really, no.

The original team basically stopped translating. The Re:Monster wiki is doing machine translation at a notable pace. It's not great. But they're only slightly behind the Japanese releases

>>159462368
Because youre an mmorpg playing loser that finds it easy to self insert into isekai?

>>159494317
>loser
You mean winner.

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>>159470464
>reality is so mundane.
Reality is fucking weird, man. There's all sorts of weird shit that happens but people are too focused on the little things to notice.

You ever notice just how fucking weird and diverse the animal kingdom really is or all the strange, weird legends and myths that crop up all over the world from people? There are proteins in your body named after Sonic the Hedgehog and Pikachu. There are lost ruins drowned in the oceans and we are living on a massive chunks of a giant ball that is constantly shifting, moving around inside itself as it orbits an astronomically larger object in space made of plasma that is dwarfed in size by even larger objects separated from it by an absurd, nigh-incomprehensible distance from it. Reality is fucking weird, man.

>>159494734
>Which repeats endlessly.
Gets boring after a while.

>>159494802
Wouldn't being isekai'd into a new fantasy world get boring too once you get used to it?

>>159494843
Naturally. Unless there was something that dramatically broke the rules once in a while... y'know, like magic.

>>159494897
Magic always comes with its own set of rules anon. Once you learn those rules, magic becomes mundane.

>>159489873
Reminder the first 8 chapters of the manga/first vol of the LN were decent. It shit the bed after that.

>>159496221
Shield bro was decent till more girls were added to the party. I'd have been the adventures of Naofumi and Raphtalia with loli bird but in pet form only.

>>159486718
Hey, anon who got butthurt of overlord that he replied to a dead thread's post about overlord in a new isekai thread. You are totally a reasonable person and not a minority among minority.

>>159496393
Half of the women/girls arent romantically interested however. Though they add one more now in the LN i think

>>159496393
The problem with Shield Hero arent the girls at all, but how OP Naofumi becomes later.
at some point, Raphtalia just wants Naofumi to fuck her brains out, but he sees her as a daughter till later.

>>159496835
Shield bro is the one who actually doesnt give a shit bout the girls till later in the WN.

>>159497102
Though he subconsciously has fallen so hard for her that not being together makes him extremely anxious. And even raph-chan couldn't calm him down completely.

>>159497102
>but how OP Naofumi becomes later.
You have not senen OP until you've read the timeloopy adventures of lvl999 insane Spear hero... Or rifana

>>159462688
>or are an explorer at heart with nowhere left to explore.
>Said +explorers at heart with nowhere left to explore" have probably never gone more than 100 miles from their own home and only seen other places through a screen.

There's a whole wide world out there anons.

world building interwoven with a story always makes it better. if they succesfully make you feel like there is an actual world everything is hapening in then its easier for it to draw you in.

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Isekai were the MC literally drags everyone kicking and screaming back to reality, because fuck this escapism bullshit he just wants to go home, when?

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god this was so good

>>159501095
But you just posted it.

>>159494734
>There are proteins in your body named after Sonic the Hedgehog and Pikachu.
wooooooow, cool... Can I stab it with a sword? No? Oh well.

>There are lost ruins drowned in the oceans
Do we have money to get a submarine? Not really.

>we are living on a massive chunks of a giant ball that is constantly shifting, moving around inside itself as it orbits an astronomically larger object in space made of plasma that is dwarfed in size by even larger objects separated from it by an absurd, nigh-incomprehensible distance from it.
And we can do jack shit about it.

>>159488943
My favorite is volume in overlord10, I love fantasy politics.

I know of the realist hero (it got bad for me when they focus on idols and japanese cousine) and dungeon defense, but what other isekai titles are focused on Politics?

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>>159501650
>he can't stab proteins with a sword
>he can't purchase a submarine
>he can't wrest control over a chunk of rock floating in space and use it to fight against even larger celestial bodies while traveling across vast unknowns

>>159496816
Don't give me your sarcasm. I knew I struck a nerve during that whole fiasco and everyone reacted in such a way that I pointed out to be full of shit. When you people kept going on and on with reading the novel and other crap. Moreover, you couldn't answer simple questions and you people had the audacity to call it opinion, when it was a simple question of fact of what is going on and Overlordfags failed. They even lied on more than one occasion and you expect to convince me? What hypocrisy. No consistency to have a simple fact to be clear among your peers, and you attack anyone who isn't among you and are blind. Full of hypocrisy. Disgusting Overlordfags.

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I feel like Log Horizon always gets forgotten in these, and all other, threads.

This saddens me.

>>159502578
I think you need to realize that people like things, anon. There is no other reason. Just read the thread.
>Hypocrisy
Just following the examples of Ainz-sama.

>>159502708
Everyone move on from it apparently. I remember people were crazy about it when it aired and Mamare start posting here.

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All these people talking about worldbuilding, exploring, and adventures, with all these shit modern anime.

>>159504256
>shit talks
>posts a recommendation guide

go back

sebas is my husbando

>>159502578
Everyone answered your questions and you're still being a whiny faggot? Get better bait.

>>159470464
>what does this world have to offer afterall
Space travel
Virtual reality
World dominance
Economic dominance
etc

>>159501095
the only isekai that matters

>>159504421
>Virtual reality
>Economic dominance
I already have these, though.

>>159504421
I think you're missing the point, most of the things you listed are locked away behind financial doors.

Isekai based LNs are for turning your brain off and wanting to explore a new world through an author's imagination but most of the time the writing is trope filled garbage 90% of the time. But after reading/viewing enough of any genre of anything the fatigue sets in and we get these retarded discussions.

>>159504697
Aren't you saying the opposite?

By using the author's mind and thoughts, you're utilizing the brains.

By giving up on the world due to "financial doors", you're literally shutting your brain down.

>>159504758
IRL isn't as forgiving to sudden unplanned desires for fun explorative outings in the world where cash and paperwork are required to do anything nowadays.

Picking up a book or going to your favorite translator's site to see some new novel updates are the more likely pick because i doubt most people have casual access to outer space/VR/world bounding trips every few years.

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>>159502817
Hasn't it been on hiatus since Mamare got in trouble?

Also I remember that q&a thread, I was lucky enough to have my questions answered by sensei. That thread + the worldbuilding threads were a blast. Pic related was formed after much arguments and compromise.

>>159462368
Isekai is shit and Overlord is no exception.

Stop pretending your particular brand of cancer if any better than the rest.

>>159505542
go back to your shounenshit/idolshit/moeshit thread faggot

>>159505542
>an entire genre is shit
based summerbro

>>159462368
Shonenshit like BC was better fantasy then this shit isekai

>>159462368
If you think that a decent number of isekai are enjoyable then you have shit taste.

>>159462688
If you were really an explorer at heart you'd go travelling.

>>159505699
>If you think that a decent number of isekai are enjoyable then you have shit taste.
You could say this about almost anything due to Sturgeon's law.

>>159505778
If it's not reliable why is it called a law?

>>159505778
I think a lot of isekai have potential, it just gets wasted 99% of the time. Either the author runs out of steam for his original idea and turns to cliches or does a genre shift, or the story suddenly became popular and author-san decides to extend it for the purpose of milking it. Some stories can be legitimately good for hundreds of chapters before the author drops the ball spectacularly which causes a jump the shark moment.

>>159505902
It isn't a real law, that's why. It's just an adage. Sturgeon's law originally was about sci-fi fiction, but isekai is similar enough that it holds true imo.

>>159495023
Once you learn any rules people start abusing what they're given to see how far they can go before breaking any of the important ones. Once confronted with the fact that your lack of creativity is holding you back from abusing your power in new and interesting ways is when magic becomes mundane.

>>159506058
So by tha logic Nasu is a master in magic lore because he keep breaking this own rules just for the sake of creativity?

>>159504370
> Everyone answered your questions
With inconsistency and lack of self-awareness.
> whiny faggot
Coming from an Overlordfag, that's a compliment.
> Get better bait
Ok, then why did they respond and bite?
>>159502761
> People like things
And that's why they have shitty rebuttals.
> There is no other reason
To act condescending?
> Read the thread
Just like "read the novel". Bullshit.
> Following the examples of Ainz-sama
>"Oh, we know we're being hypocrites because we want to be like Ainz! We reply in the worst way without any introspection and totally not being complete jackasses of a fanbase! We also don't look at our own people and hit them on them being wrong because we have confirmation bias"
Yeah right (not).

>>159506508
>it's an "anon ignores friendly advice for the billionth time" episode

>>159462368
The only so-called Isekai that seem remotely interesting are:

The one set in a restaurant- Not a random dickhead loser goes to some fantasy world, turns out to be awesome and saves the day.
MAR- Suffers from a Gary Stu like most Isekai but it's more original in that it uses Fairy Tales as a basis for World Building,
Tanya of the Evil- Turn of century Europe WW1 given a urban fantasy veneer. Too bad /a/ threads were shit though. I was almost glad to see Kemono smashing this to pieces like the Aussies smashing the German lines at Hamel.

I'd give some points to the one about loser law graduate who fails bar exam multiple times goes to fantasy world to reform laws some points but I'd feel nervous about letting inexperience graduate reforming another country's system.

Basically anything that tries to be more than Gary Stu goes to a generic fantasy world. The biggest problem with Isekai other then the Gary Stu Powertrip has to be the fact that almost everyone is set in a generic, Western fantasy world. Despite hundreds of years of Japanese literary tradition, Japanese culture and the history of surrounding neighbouring countries somehow the only world random losers can go to is another watered down, JRR-palette fantasy world.

If the PRC and the Republic of Korea is the pinnacle of no creativity then the Isekai Genre in Japan would be an Earth-spanning Empire.

>>159506555
> It's an anon that fails to change his shitty fanbase and admit flaws to their series and themselves.
Yeah. Just admitting you're a hypocrite doesn't help, Overlordfag.

>>159506632
Anon, do I look like the King of the Overlord fanbase? Some of the fans will be shit, it can't be helped. And this doesn't have to just apply to Overlord, It could apply to other shows as well.

>>159506704
Then tell your fellow fans to stay in their containment threads. There's a reason why I want Konosubafags, Re:Zerofags and Overlordfags to stay in their threads.

>>159506723
>Every thread always goes to shit like this. Always after midnight.

>>159506381
Wtf are you on about? I just said there's usually another step after learning most of the ins and outs of something and then comes the eventual boredom. How the fuck did you derive anything positive for Fate from my post, damn leave some of your autism at the door.

>>159506624
He didn't actually reform the laws the God there did, she just needed someone who was familiar with it to help the locals get a hang of it. He fit the bill, had a truck-kun moment, and he was unemployed. He wouldn't be missed as much as say forcefully spiriting away someone who did have a career going on at the time and would be more likely to refuse.

>>159506624
>The only so-called Isekai that seem remotely interesting are:
Release that Witch is also pretty interesting up until ~ch600 when it starts to devolve into standard isekai cliches like mega op MC, chosen one, eradicating the eeevil church, etc.

Release that Witch does kingdom-building better than Realist Hero but it shares similar flaws: too idealistic, too black and white, too easy in general. For over 600 chapters the MC of RtW was just a powerless human and that helped a lot since he had to rely on other people to do the heavy lifting. But eventually the author ran out of ideas or something and had to revert to the typical bullshit isekai becomes after a while.

I just wish we could get an isekai that was about kingdom building and STAYED FAITHFUL TO IT. I want an isekai where the MC takes a lowly village/town/city to a kingdom to an empire, all without giving the MC bullshit powers.

>>159506913
>all without giving the MC bullshit powers.
The issue I find there is that villages do not become cities within a single person's lifetime.

>>159506778
It isn't that bad right now. At least there aren't trolls here spamming their bullshit.

>>159506778
That's not even me, anon. And you think I'm just one guy.

>>159507006
Who are you though?

>>159506985
>The issue I find there is that villages do not become cities within a single person's lifetime.
I agree about a village, but a town of 1000 could massively grow during a civil war or other migration type event if said town stayed relatively unharmed.

>>159463755
yeah, but the main purpose of isekai is self insert fanfiction after all

>>159462688
If you have the money and time, travel. I have my fantasies like anyone else but my time traveling to other lands has been the happiest of my life.

>>159506769
>There's a reason why I want Konosubafags, Re:Zerofags and Overlordfags to stay in their threads.
Because you can't use the hide post function?

Overlord is a story about Ainz-sararyman slowly losing his humanity. It's the Stanford prison experiment of isekai.

>>159506996
>>159507040
The guy who dropped at volume 7 and pointed out the hypocrisy among your group while creating a shitstorm of you faggots that hated me. By the way, I never replied in that thread but whoever it is sure seems to make you guys pissed off in the thread. I glanced at the thread and it appears he read up to volume ten or something but I'm not him. By the way, unspoken rule to assume anyone is a guy unless they show pics of boob and timestamp.

>>159507163
He's basically evil magical Superman. With all the "I forgive you," he could be directed by Zach Snyder.

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>>159462688
>explorer at heart with nowhere left to explore
S-Space ex will get it done in time, right?

>>159507189
Put on a trip anon so I can hear more of your important posts. ;)

>>159507145
Too easy, plus I want to shit on them to make them sure not to trespass into other threads again. Otherwise, they'll get a mouthful.
>>159507163
Sounds great, if they focused more of the narrative on him a little more and not jobbers that ruin the tension of the narrative, then fine.

>>159501095
>do such a poor job of convincing people that Marche is right throughout the course of the game that they've got to make Queen Remedy flat out say the world isn't real and doesn't matter to justify Marche wanting to send his brother back into a wheelchair

>>159507216
>>159507274
The story is heavily focused on the native humans and demihumans of the world, and shows how these, even without any power, have the strength, the will and the resolve to live, to fight and to die. Ainz lacks any of these, beyond what can be expected of an average salaryman. He's literally a guy with an "electrocute" button.

>>159507274
>if they focused more of the narrative on him a little more and not jobbers that ruin the tension of the narrative, then fine.
Bet you also complained when girls get gobbed in Goblin Slayer.

>>159507351
So, basically evil magical Superman then? I mean, I get what you're saying and you're right. Unless it's another guardian or Supreme Being he really doesn't have to give a fuck (and is changed so he doesn't have to). But along the way he still tries to. It's kind of why I like the story so much. It's basically him trying to figure out how to fit in without nuking everything (or letting one of his guardians nuke everything).

>>159507398
It's basically him trying to figure out how to fit in without nuking everything
Which is more of lucky coincidences and Demiurge's plans than his own work and planning. Maximum of his efforts is practicing gestures appropriate for a demon king, other than that he goes with the flow, by the most part.

>>159507163
You mean Milgram experiment? Wouldn't that imply someone in authority is above Ainz encouraging him to shock everyone?

>>159507266
You need to go back. I'm not gonna bother with making myself known through tripfaggotry, you piece of shit.
>>159507216
> evil
If what's in his head was full of malicious intent and not the shy, self-conscious shit, then sure. This was one of the reason why I dropped it was because of how pretty much alot of his intent is misunderstood and intended as malicious. It got old.
>>159507351
Does not excuse backstory drop before death and tonal shifts being shit.
>>159507353
Never bothered with GS.

>>159507468
Yeah, but undeniably a lot of it his also his own effort.

>>159507484
>You mean Milgram experiment?
Yes, probably. I sort of confuse them
>Wouldn't that imply someone in authority is above Ainz encouraging him to shock everyone?
That would be guardians. Though he's nominally the ruler, he's constantly worried about fitting what's expected of him (and thinks at some point that if he's exposed, he would probably be killed)

>>159507189
>assumes im an overlordfag
>lumps me in with them
Just no. I'm here for the isekai discussion, and although Overlord is included in that I don't discuss it. Your disagreement with the overlordfags is none of my business, but either way you are going about it in the right way so I can't fault you.

I'd rather have ten of you than one of those trolls who get assblasted for stupid reasons and proceed to spam shit like "offtopic" or "this doesnt belong in a!" which happens a lot when chink/gook isekai gets brought up.

>>159507540
>That would be guardians.
That's an interesting take. I kind of like it. I don't think they'd kill him because they'd probably try and rationalize it away.

>>159507189
No one cares who you are. Keep your personal details personal.

>>159507561
>I don't think they'd kill him because they'd probably try and rationalize it away.
Well, if he told them openly that their creators, him including, were actually humans (and not that great really), it would shake their world for sure, as it totally does not fit their predetermined settings (other than for Sebas and few other exceptions). They may come to accept this fact, or they may rebel after their (flawed) creators, or they may flat out deny the claim, saying that Ainz is not a Supreme Being but an impostor. Two out of three would be bad ends for him.

>>159507740
I can imagine the guardians coming to the conclusion, "Well, it's only natural that Supreme Beings change form," or something silly.

>Classic tier
- Digimon
- Escaflowne
- El Hazard
- The Twelve Kingdoms
- Rayearth
- Dunbine
- Tenchi Muyo - Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari
- Now and Then, Here and There
- Inuyasha
- Zero no Tsukaima
- Utawarerumono
- Duel Savior
- Eien no Aselia
- Muv-Luv Unlimited/Muv-Luv Alternative

>Archetype tier
- Mushoku Tensei
- Kenkyo Kenjitsu
- Overlord
- Shield Hero
- I'm a Spider
- Evil God Average
- Oda Nobuna
- Log Horizon
- GATE JSDF
- Release that Witch

>Atypical tier
- Re:Zero
- Grimgar
- The Faraway Paladin
- Konosuba
- Youjo Senki
- Dungeon Defense
- Mondaiji
- Risou no Himo Seikatsu

>Fun garbage tier
- Arifureta
- Bluesteel Blasphemer
- No Game No Life
- Outbreak Company
- Mixed Bathing in Another Dimension
- In Another World With My Smartphone
- How A Realist Hero Rebuilt the Kingdom
- Slime Tensei
- Koihime Musou
- Dog Days
- Knights and Magic
- Tsuki ga Michibiku
- Wortenia Senki

>Total garbage tier
- Death March
- Re: Monster
- World Teacher
- Word Master
- Dungeon Seeker
- Master of Monster
- Gun Ota
- Nidome no Yuusha
- Suterareta Yuusha
- Seirei Gensouki
- Anything with "Cheat" in the title
- Anything about Skill Taking
- Anything about Slaves

>Not isekai tier
- Sword Art Online
- Danmachi
- UchiMusume
- Ore ga Heroine
- Infinite Dendrogram
- Paying to Win in a VRMMO
- Sevens
- .hack

>Inverse Isekai Tier
- Maou-sama
- Maidragon
- Elf-San wa Yaserarenai
- Thermae Romae

>>159507796
I'm amazed you mentioned some of those lesser ones

>>159507881
its a copypasta

>>159502578
I agree, Overlord was slightly better than your average shonen anime.I just dont like how most of these anime series focus on battles only where as everything else is secondary.Overlord's battles were interesting but it didnt have anything else to offer other than generic MMO characters.There is no verdict to anything, no actual plot, no character development; to add onto these generic art, bland and dull music(just like in every other Madhouse adaptation), directing was mediocre except for some certain scenes and lastly the animation as a whole was too vibrant and souless.

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>>159507796
I've read all of these. I'd say Overlord was the best for me, for as a comedy it uses misunderstandings to lead to an ever increasing beat of Ainz worrying himself to chronic panic attacks. Seriously seeing Ainz bumble up explanations is gold. The only things I've read that used that kind of comedy are Transfer Student Storm Bringer, the early chapters of Angel Densetsu, and any scene with King from OPM. Yes, this is a thinly veiled attempt at getting someone to recommend anime/manga that use this form of comedy.

>>159508047
Imo Overlord would be a lot better if Ainz was serious about taking over the world. He could be a mix of Mongols+Napoleon, bringing destruction and then stability.

>>159508047
Overlord is basically a drama before a battle show.

>>159507796
Shield Hero gets really bad starting at the island arc. I don't agree with it's placement up there.

>Last episode of Overlord.
>Momonga's dive interface malfunctioned and the entire thing was a comatose induced hallucination while he finally dies alone in his apartment after no one checked up on him.
>Still dies happy because he thinks the guardians are still with him.

We need
>The cheating slave taker who's also a village chef cooking delicious food with RICE~

>>159508160
>Every single death in the show was his subconscious trying to warn him about dying and snap out of it.

>>159462368
Overlord has pretty weak world building. Its strength are the characters and their interactions.

>>159508185
>His crushing Clementine was the subconscious stimulation of the straps tightly holding him to a stretcher in an ambulance as he is rushed to a hospital

>>159508226
I don't even think it does much world building at all. 10 episodes in the LN and we just NOW got to another kingdom that isn't the Empire or, aptly named, The Kingdom. Ainz hasn't even visited the Theocracy yet.

>>159508247
That's deep.

>>159508247
>The battle with Shalltear was the hospital reviving him and hooking him up to life support.

>>159508160
>Ironically, the interface malfunctioned because he was desperate for friends and overused it.
>In the end he got the friends he wanted but it cost his life.

>>159504256
>Fairy Tail on there

I need to have a talk with /tg/ later.

>>159508442
That picture isn't really as well regarded on /tg/ as it might lead you to believe

>>159504256
>Legend of Crystania.
Please tell me there's a connection between this anime and the NES game: Legend of Crystalis. Please.

>>159508442
Most people on /tg/ hate that image because of little things like that. Hell, Seiken on Blacksmith is on there too in the same category

>>159507796
>Utawarerumono
>isekai
Wait what?

I get that hating on Isekai is the new cool meme but a fair amount of Isekai are fairly decent.

Overlord with it's focus on the MC, his duality, the world in general, LH with it's focus on politics and taking a spin on the "going back to our world" then you have stuff like Goblin Slayer which have a neat little concept. Moving on from that you have Comedy like Konosuba.
Only Isekai with their sole selling is that they are an Isekai are trash, like SAO and etc. At least IMO, I dont see a point in disliking a full genre just because its "hip" to do so.

>>159509091
SAO and GS arent isekai

>>159509155
SAO is an Isekai it was pretty much the proto-Isekai. Just because he gets out of the game doesn't change that he was "trapped in another world" on GS fair enough, that was my bad.

>>159509188
>SAO is an Isekai it was pretty much the proto-Isekai
But that's wrong. Regardless of whether or not it is isekai, it is certainly not the "proto" of the trope. The anime was released in 2012. You'd have to be super new to anime to honestly believe that

>>159509188
>SAO is an Isekai it was pretty much the proto-Isekai.
Have a look at that list of isekai posted a little above you. Over 10 shows that all predate SAO by over a decade.

>>159509259
Who said I was speaking about the anime?
Sure the anime is what made Isekai adaptions so popular,
>>159509295
As I said above it pretty much was the proto in terms of getting Isekai's adapted its overwhelming popularity opened the doors, each generation has a fad genre, hell older anime/manga was just full of Dark Fantasy and Edgy types. Getting off topic from my main point anyway, I just dont see the point in labeling all Isekai as "power fantasy" Yet again this is the board where if a female even speaks to an MC once he's a self-insert.

>>159500848
>early 2013
>driven mad by Kino's Journey OP
>set off hitchhiking across US
>student aid for online school comes through, it's funded
>cross into Mexico
>pretty much the barrio in American cities except on an industrial scale
>hostel people are insufferable but I've got friends in DF I can stay with
>Mexico City is a trashheap
>rare local culture is swallowed up by the incessant sound of Gangnam Style echoing through the entire city
>they're consumed by fads
>literally, there is a cathedral downtown surrounded by a tent-covered market where they sell bootleg Chinese purses and stereos
>move on after a while
>Central America is worse
>go home and play video games

>>159509348
>Who said I was speaking about the anime?
The name of the board you're posting on did. Still, if you're talking about the LN you're still only going back to 2009
>As I said above it pretty much was the proto in terms of getting Isekai's adapted its overwhelming popularity opened the doors, each generation has a fad genre
Except that a number of the authors who were writing or wrote those anime that got adapted didn't start writing after the release of SAO or link SAO's success to their own. Many were inspired by .hack and Escaflowne, among other series they watched and games they played

>>159509359
It was like that before too, but with much more disease. Zero sum game is the way of the world.

>>159509359
At least you weren't like George Meegan. Dude got the adventure bug bad in the late 70s and decided to walk from the bottom of South America up to Alaska. His time in Central America had him living in worse poverty than the people of those nations and it's a miracle he got through some parts. Although it was also a miracle that he met a single Japanese woman just before he set off who decided to go with him and ended up getting married and having two kids on the road with him.

>>159509570
I think I read part of that guy's book. He was a much better traveler than I was. I met a Dutchman in Baja California who'd biked across Asia, flown to South America, and was on his way to Alaska, hoping to marry a farmgirl and settle down. I hope he made it.

Imagine getting reborn in a fantasy world with all your knowledge and then polio fucks you up.

>>159508865
Time displacement is considered a form of isekai

>>159510868
Does it have to be involuntary?

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>>159510503
>having retarded parents who didn't get you the (free) polio vaccine
It's okay anon there is <Healing Magic> for that.

>>159462368
The only good isekai I've ever seen is not an anime

Samurai Jack did it better than most Isekais but still triggered /co/ with that crappy ending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXpGtGj5PkU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCruvmQQSiE

>>159508129
>Imo Overlord would be a lot better if Ainz was serious about taking over the world.
Well technically he is now, except there's the issue of him vs Albedo+Demiurge+Pandora's Actor versions of taking over the world.

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>implying the only good isekai isn't pic related

>>159510868
>Time displacement is considered a form of isekai
Space Isekai when?

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>>159512276
Already a thing.

>>159512088
Jesus, I cried a little.

>>159507218
Not on current space research budget.

>>159462368
Because they're just fantasy series with an isekai element?

>>159512245
truly ahead of its time

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Escaflowne had some of the most fully realized societies. I wanted more Basram

>>159505516
>i fixed the world
>everyone should be happy with this

>>159505516
>Kurwa
Every time.

Isekai that has OP MC = shit. You can't disprove this.

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>>159462688
>are an explorer at heart with nowhere left to explore.

>>159497102
>that spoiler
Is that true in the LNs/WB?

>>159514455
>Kawazu-san

>>159512088
>generic background tory of a fallen hero
>shitty choreography
>samurai hitting his sword instead of his body

why westerns are shitty at doing swordfights?
also fuck off, go back to your shithole /co/

>>159507796
>Shield Hero and Overlord that high
They should be bottom tier with SAO and the likes

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kumo best isekai

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>>159517126
Spoder.

>>159471717
Nazarik role in these books is akin to classical Greek Deus Ex Machina.
Gods enter the stage to make things right.