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Chapter 94 and 95 is out
Anime is less than 12 hours
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Arslan and Tughril are way too lewd for their own good
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>>159462333
i know right?
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So is this just fujo shenanigans or should I expect some decent material?
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>>159462621
I think there's some military and politics. And some bangin outfits
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>>159462205
clip of Katono drawing the short story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1JfzGmCbYc
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what did they mean by this?
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>>159462655
there are good amount of military and politics, plus some crossdressing espionage
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>>159462567
that's a girl r-right?
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>>159463778
Even better.
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Nips are getting excited for altair on twitter, while international hype is kinda lukewarm. You can really tell the difference in the hype.
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https://twitter.com/pj_altair/status/883244602353786882
Kato Sensei drew this
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>>159464338
Arslan can be a girl you want anon~
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>https://twitter.com/pj_altair/status/883196787162468352?s=09
they posted the characters' tanabata wishes. Don't understand much jap but friend says Balaban's wish is "to meet lots of beautiful men"
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>>159464744
>"to meet lots of beautiful men"
i smell more shotacon doujins in the future
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So will we be able to have threads without mentioning fucking Arslan or nah?
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Is this show scheduled for just a 13 episode season? How many volumes do you think it'll probably cover?
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>>159464973
There isn't any mention of Kingdom nor Magi, so it's a definetly a improvement
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>>159465095
It will be 2 cours from what i heard
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>>159465095
It's 2 cour, tho how many volumes is still the question. Since they've already released casting and character designs for Balaban et. al, theyll most likely appear in this first cour, and theres a possibility they're going past the civil war arc
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>>159462205
https://twitter.com/pj_altair/status/883261846429368321
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Devshirme/Divan system
https://twitter.com/pj_altair/status/883264383370919936
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Patriot as fuck
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>>159462621
Not-Ottomans and not-austria politics and warfare
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>>159462205
>show about Turks
>they're all generic anime fujo pretty boys
Gay
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https://twitter.com/pj_altair/status/883272400770486274
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I want to molest Nurzan until he cry.
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>>159466354
Kurt Kurt Pasha would might have word with ya
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>>159466314
Mahmut is essentially the only believable protagonist in a historical manga.
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>>159466542
Nah, he would make you cry instead with nanashi-tier smugness
>Oh is that all you can do?
>Galloping on horse is more ticklish than this
>Maybe i should teach you how to rape and plunder enemy instead!
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講談社漫画賞の贈呈式に潜入してきました。カトウコトノ先生、おめでとうございます! メシも美味かったッス。 #将国のアルタイル

https://twitter.com/Altair_Kyros/status/883277831848865792
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>>159466354
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>>159462205
Yesterday's thread if you wanna look at it:
>>159418918
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Another still image from the anime
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>>159466542
How about Ahmet instead!
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This is airing right after Bahasoul right? Getting based MAPPA back to back is great.
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>>159468405
Still wondering how they keeping up though
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less then 5 hours left
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I haven't read this but I'm pretty hyped is it similar to Arslan Senki?
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>>159466703
Damn I remember when I first read this I did not realize at all that he was a guy until like my second read.... I completely overlooked his first appearance in the hot springs so I spent all this time thinking he was some eccentric girl with the hots for Zeki
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>>159469108
Plus thinking that there was actually a female pasha. I was a fool.
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How many possible gay pairings in this?
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>>159469056
Guy from last thread has a decent comparison: "It's like Arslan in the sense that it involves war and politics, but the mc is way more competent and can kill, characters are more complex and have believable motivations, execution of the actual war and politics is way smarter imo, and has interesting overarching themes of making sacrifices and tough choices for the country/city/empire.

Though I'm just basing this off of my vague recollection of Arslan."
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>>159469310
Sounds pretty much like Arslan, Thanks.

Can't wait then I fucking loved AS.
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>>159469338
Oh, and like Arslan, the mc has a birb
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I hate to say it, but this show has too much keikaku
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>>159466703
So many dark haired boys, magnificent.
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ei let's keep this thread alive until the premiere guys
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This got me hooked into CK2 again.
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>>159469727
speaking of CK2, im doing world conquest as glorious Turkic Horde
and yeah money cheat is on as you can see
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>>159469366
I'm gonna watch this solely for the heavy birb pandering
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Staff is celebrating with cake it seems
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>>159470878
Iskandar is best birb
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nice detailed map
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>Less than 2 hours left
my body is ready
Really hyped to see the OP especially. SID has good music
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>>159462205
CHAPTER 96 IS OUT
http://sensescans.com/index.php?topic=3962.0
wew Sense seems on the roll
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>>159464973
deal with it anon, it's not like we can have arslan threads without someone mentioning mahmut either
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>>159473132
Theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt0vSdbYxy0
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>>159473132
I rate this chapter DEUSVULT/10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R8viSgLTVM
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>airs at 26h00
D-Does that mean 02h00? One more hour?
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>>159473953
yes
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>>159469186
He fooled me too since "Nurzan" is female name
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>>159474233
that's one helluva old filename
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>>159473953
02:27*
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>>159474330
Stop reminding me of how many years of my life I've wasted on this site. To contribute something to the thread topic, as an actual turkfag I was impressed by the thorough research the creators must've done, as most names and concepts used are fairly accurate portrayals of their real-life counterparts.
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>>159474502
Wew. Thanks for the correction anon
Is this going to be streamed anywhere so we can watch together, or will I just have to wait for raw to be released?
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>>159474330
>2014
>old
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>>159473844
is that black-haired qt a boy or a grill?
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>>159474670
>turkfag
are you that guy who went with that trip back 2011 on /int/?
Selamın Aleyküm anon bu arada
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>>159474670
Well, the author was graduate from Todai with a degree of Turkish History just so she could draw her fantasy Ottoman manga.
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>>159474742
shieeet you are right, this one is from 2012
how do we look at the original creation date btw?
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>after this airs, Altair threads will be full of secondaries
>we won't be able to discuss the chapters because of muh spoilers
Too bad. The manga is getting real good again too
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>>159474781
>Ahmet
you do the guessing Anon..
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>>159474949
>secondaries
You mean the animefriends who doesn't bother to read the manga in the first place?
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>>159474952
That's not Ahmet though, Ahmet has short hair and wears a helmet
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>>159475150
Oh yeah my bad his name is Cemil
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For that one guy who follows Lelederik around all the time. Why are some people calling him a grill? Was it stated somewhere that that's been a chick this whole time? His VA is Takahiro Sakurai so it must be a guy.
Grallat is the name or something.
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>>159474798
No, I'm not a literal attentionwhoring faggot.
a.s kardeş

>>159474803
Shit son, that's some dedication. Well, it definitely shows, to say the least. Haven't read the manga, but what I've seen from a few threads here seemed rather authentic and accurate. I'll be watching this one with great interest, might even pick up the manga. One thing I have to hand the Japanese is that when they portray other cultures in their works, they either don't try at all and it ends up hilariously cliché, or they go full on historical accuracy autism mode. The fact that they touch on topics that might be obscure for outsiders (Devşirme, Yeniçeri etc.) who only have a shallow interest definitely piqued my interest.

I don't really watch a lot of seasonal anime, but I'll be checking this one out.
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>>159475200
>his
...i knew it
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>>159475370
Kato sensei even aware of the Shotacon Sultans
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>>159475698
and about "skirt kissing" stuff
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OwO what's this?
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Didn't knew they got HRT treatment back then
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>those ceramics
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>>159476164
fuck forgot the image
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>>159476092
>draw a girl
>call it a boy

What is it with nips turning Turkish rulers into androgynous fujobait fuccbois?
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25 minutes left
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>>159476207
Wow, for something that's in the background it has so much detail
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https://vaughnlive.tv/sherming6666

Stream. Rage of bahamut is currently airing so Altair will probably follow after.
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>>159476528
so when do we gonna get the subs?
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>>159477176
When Amazon feels like it
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I'm hyped guys
So fucking hyped. All the previews looked great, so I have high hopes.
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Someone is hopefully gonna make a webm of Shara playing with Mahmut's eyes. Right?
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SUBS FUCKING WHEN?
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>>159474803
I respect that woman, I'm so impressed right now.
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The OP is so lit
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Pretty impressed so far.
Kek. Any falconers here? Can a golden eagle really snap the radius/ulna of the arm in multiple pieces like that?
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THE ED!!!!!
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Will this show have beautiful Circassian waifus?

This is important.
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>>159478350
I just realized the stills in the ED are same as the volume covers woah
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>>159462205
SUBS ARE OUT ON THE HS
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>>159478623
You can't have Ottomans without Circassian waifus.
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>>159478972
>It's real
What the fuck, how can they be so fast?
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>>159479217
Because HS just rips whatever official sub stream?
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>>159479337
Well how the fuck can THEY be so fast then? Didn't this shit literally just air in nipland?
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>>159479378
They're official, they get given scripts in advance to translate before airing. CR usually has only a few hours delay from nip airings, unless a show's production committee is being weird and demands a delay.
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>>159474885
Filename works on the basis of unix timestamps based on the number of seconds since 1970.

http://www.unixtimestamp.com
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>>159462621
it alternates
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The show starts at Mount Nemrut if anyone's interested.
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I've always liked songs by Sid, I'm kind of disappointed that this show's OP kind of boring.
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Crossdressing Mahmut is literally a girl. You can't argue this.
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What the fuck were they thinking?
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>>159480584
Covering their butts for a possible Islamist chimp-out.

I haven't read the manga. Is this show any more haram than Muhtesim Yuzul?
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>>159480735
Abrahamic religions doesn't even exist in the series
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>>159480735
it's kinda gay so yeah probably very very haram
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>>159480825
google bacha-bazi
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The cutest and the purest.
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>Mahmut's right arm when he's dancing
Am I looking at an animation fuck-up right in the very first episode?
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>Altin
>not Kubbealtı
Did they even look at the manga before subbing this?
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>THAT ENDING
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So, looking at the OP, it seems like they're going to 4 Sultan arc in the first cour, or am I wrong to believe so?
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>>159481135
they barely managed to compress the first chapter into a episode but i guess it will start early
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>>159476277
desu köçekler are a real thing
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>>159481199
You're probably right, it's kind of impossible for them to fit all that content into 1 cour.
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That was really good, will definitely keep watching. Does Mahmut ever stop being afraid of girls? That's my only tiny gripe with it, I mean he's not a japanese highschooler for pete's sake.
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What would you do in this situation /a/?
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>>159481103
ED so fucking good, full when?
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Birbs

BIRBS
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>>159481406
Do you even need to ask?
Do a 360 and walk away, she's obviously a massive whore that's taken a million dicks.
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>>159481406
Call my guards.
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>>159481406
Obviously have Iskender chase that filthy gypsy whore out and burn my sheets.
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>>159481641
>360
>walk away
Anon...
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Can an Armenian enjoy this?
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Is this Mont Saint-Michel? Hunting for real-life locations will be fun with this show.
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>>159481823
Yes, unless he gets triggered over "Pasha" word everytime he hears it.
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>>159481794
>he doesn't moonwalk away from whores like a badass
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>>159481955
yes it is
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>>159481406
Spill my spaghetti like a fuccboi but still allow her to sleep there.
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>>159481750
kek
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>>159482236
Thanks for the confirmation.
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This MC is even more gay than the average, holy fuck.
Also you can't tell me he isn't magically controlling those eagles
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>>159481358
>Does Mahmut ever stop being afraid of girls?
No. But that only makes him cuter
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delicous brown
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Iskender or Azrael? Which one is the better pet? I think the latter has a cooler name.
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>>159482510
>Fucking a gypsy
>Ever
Anon, are you out of your mind?
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>>159482637
Iskender.
It's Islamic name of the Alexander
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>>159482510
He just doesn't want STDs.
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>>159481641
>massive whore
Actually she is pure.
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>>159482517
>the one setting where you could justify having a harem
Oh well, I watched this expecting battles and/or political intrigue, and it delivered on that so no complaints from me
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GAYYYYYYYYYYY
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>>159482786
>Gypsy
>Belly Dancer
>Pure
pick one anon
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>>159482852
>gypsy
She doesn't look like a gypsy at all
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>>159480584
Seriously, fuck this. Why do they dump random garbage into the episode?

On the other hand, they didn't translate some on screen text.
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>>159482835
Mahmut x Türkiye is true OTP
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>>159482835
of course he's gay anon, why do you think he blushes a lot around suleyman?
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>>159482876
she is from gypsy tribe anon
you'll see it on next week
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>>159482691
And Azrail is "the angel of death". I think that's more intimidating.

I sadly think of Iskender kebap before Alexander the Great when I hear that name.
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>>159462205
Would you?
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>>159482835
İbo is the worst husband, I pity his wife and children.
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>>159482876
Even to this day, many bellydancers are gypsies.
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Is this guy Altair equilevant of the Mehmed II the conqueror?
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>>159482961
Same. Fucking Kebabird.
Wasn't he called Iskandar in the manga?
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>>159483257
His features remind me more of Süleyman the Magnificent, but he can be Mehmet II too.
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>>159483281
it's same
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Shota Tughril a cute
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1st EP was pretty solid, looking forward to more. This is 2 cours right?
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Random fact: There is a mosque named after this guy in Balıkesir province of Turkey and you might even see some shops, streets etc. with the name "Zağnos".
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>>159483690
yes
btw mirin the Janissary looks but the cross design for them is kinda off
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>>159483770
that looks like something that Yazidi or Druze would wear desu
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>>159483754
yeah because Zaganos and Mahmut existed irl and served under Mehmed II
Also Mauseloum of Zaganos pasha located under that mosque iirc
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>>159476164
I hope floor tile anon is watching this show.
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Watched the 1st episode, the directing was atrocious and the animation was weak, but I liked the politics (not so much the "action" bits). I think I'll switch to the manga.
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>>159483882
>floor tile anon
I vaguely reminder him. Did he have a fetish of tiles or something, would you care to refresh my mind?
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>>159483882
He has his fap material right over here then
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>>159480584
They're proofing against Erdoroach shitting, which is unfortunate given the story's pro-Ottoman slant. Author is probably getting banned in Turkey anyways.
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>>159482852
Is she an important charterer or does she only appear in the beginning?
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>>159483882
>>159483986
Okay, this is not a floor tile but still some damn fine tile.
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>>159483899
eh it's understandable judging the fact that first chapter of the manga is over 66 pages
plus they needed to introduce waifu bait to keep people interested
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>>159484030
she simply got forgotten after chapter 28 then she briefly reappears on vol 19
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>>159480798
??????
What do all those mosques in Turkiye represent then?
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>>159484022
>banned even before being published
Sasuga.
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>>159484154
domed buildings =/= mosques though
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>>159484281
don't think so. with hype, this manga can get a solid sale numbers in turkey.
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>>159484022
>He doesn't know about Erdo and Abe relationship
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I am going to post ED Mahmuts, because he looks so boss there. I hope someone makes Mahmut wallpapers.
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>>159484389
Are these based on the manga covers? They look familiar.
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>>159484389
Post em, anon
I won't promise anything but i'll try to make one
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>>159484154
if you see read the manga there are churches and heavy christian imagery (even paintings of Jesus and Angels if i remember) in Venedik but they aren't christian.
Instead they are worshipping the Earth, while Turks worship the Water spirit.
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>>159484389
>they opted out the caliph flag on the Ottoman coat of arm
what a shame
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>>159484358
Yeah, I was surprised to see many sites hyping this show as the "Ottoman anime", so I think it might get published. I'd still buy the Japanese volumes, though. It'd be fun to watch people taking this too seriously.
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>>159484441
>Water spirit
>Not Sky god
meh. could have been better.
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>>159484441
Wow that's really stupid, why did she pussy out like that?
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>>159484504
I'm pretty sure it will. gerekli şeyler wouldn't let this go by.
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>>159484389

>>159484439
Thank you, anon.
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>>159484520
i know right?
Btw irl pagan beliefs still exists Altair.
Dunny why Kato omitted the Turks being Tengriist and gave water spirit as worship instead
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>>159484559
I need a museum dedicated to cool Ottoman garments and jewelry.

>>159484479
>caliph flag
It's so obvious that they don't want to stir muddy waters.
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So let me get this right, This is an anime about kebab?
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>>159484655
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How many % of this is it in each of the following categories: fujoshit, gay shiut, shounen shit, edgy shit, and actually good plot?
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>>159484559
The covers were really great.
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>>159484479
>>159484441
Preventing the series from getting bad publicity due to chimpouts is worth the small sacrifices. Not like either of those things are vital to one's enjoyment of the series.

>>159484671
ye
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>>159476277
turks are pretty gay already, they just need the cute looks instead of fat hairy bartented with mustache look
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>>159484714
The buyfag in me is raging right now, thinking about all the sweet outfits we'd get if we ever get a Mahmut fig.

>>159484671
Kebab at its finest, indeed.
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>>159484504
Given how popular Ottoman costume dramas are in Turkey nowadays I imagine this show could find success if handled properly.
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>>159484773
>>159484792
then why are they so white?
why are they using my name as a title

Atleast they're completely butchering all those Arabic names. I like that.
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>>159484738
Those covers are truly costume porn. The mangaka is good.
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I really love the story and the setting of this series as I love history, but I FUCKING hate the girly art.

Why can't we have this story with Kingdom manga art?
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>>159484671
It's about handsome Greek men
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>>159484838
Anzu can do a Mahmut cosplay.
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>>159484530
Dunno why, maybe her editors convinced it as there was some heavy implications of Shariah style laws in early chapters.
However right after this chapter, it seems author went to not!Abrahamic religions route instead...
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>>159484877
Greeks aren't that white either.
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>>159484874
Fuck you i love the artstyle
Of course it's because that kind of artstyle don't really sell to fujos duh
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>>159484924
you didn't get joke. well, it is an inside one though.
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>>159484851
Read about Devşirme system and beautiful Circassian waifus one anon talked about earlier.
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>>159484851
Turks originated in central Asia, so if anything, they are yellow. The people currently inhabiting Anatolia are mixed as fuck anyways, with blonde blue-eyed swedish looking fuckers in the west and north and southeastern brownie k*rds.
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>>159484655
Funny how they went from 1>2>9
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>>159484874
>author is a girl
>complaining about girly art
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>>159484924
This
Greeks already exists in Altairverse and their skin is darker than the Turks
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>>159484992
like in reallife
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>>159484980
True that I guess.
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>>159484851
>Atleast they're completely butchering all those Arabic names.
Yeah Turks usually do that
Muhammad being Muhammet for example
oh and Altair (El-Tayr) is name of the star named flying eagle or something like that
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>>159484554
They've published many titles when I wasn't looking.
It'd sell even more if they just change the title to "Mahmut Paşa" or something.
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>>159485101
or "Altın Kartal: Kayıt-ı Muharebeler" to add some Ottoman flavor
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>>159485088
>Muhammad being Muhammet
It became Mehmet actually. of course Muhammet is still used.
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MC looks pretty competent for once, a little too young though.
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Waiting for the altairverse version of an albanian to show up.
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>>159485169
Actually just "Altın Kartal" sounds pretty cool.

I wonder if there are Japanese tourists coming to Istanbul after reading this manga.
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>>159485088
The Japs are butchering it in a very special way. they dont have even have a letter to some of the sounds used in Arabic so they're completely at a loss at trying to pronounce it.
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>>159484559
I think I love this blue outfit the most.
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>>159485291
It isn't supposed to be the real world, just one inspired by it. So I'll let it slide. Like in ASOIaF they replace "John" with "Jon" and the like.
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Anyone felt that the episode was all over the place?
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>>159485525
I felt the same way.
If I hadn't known parts of the manga already I would have been very confused.
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>>159485389
I am not complaining, like I said I am enjoying myself at how they're butchering the language. its funny.
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>>159485525
I expected this episode to be completely introductory and Mahmut to save Halil Paşa next week. They've tried to put introduction, backstory, politics, SoL, rivalry and evil plots all in the same episode and it did feel kind of awkward.
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>>159485652
I think I understand now how the germans felt in bleach's last arch.
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Another homo anime? My intuition has almost never failed me.
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>>159485735
Bleach's last arc or any spoken German in anime. I don't even speak German but I still remember how much I cringed at the German spoken in K.
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>>159462205
The OST seems really good, but the animation seems really shoestring. It's still nice to see it animated though.
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>>159462205
For fuck's sakes Japan, most countries don't do archery this way.
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>>159486004
They were trained by superior nihon archery masters.
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>>159486004
I didn't notice that. What the hell, Japan?

>>159485914
>OST
Wait until mehteran comes, anon. Then we'll have the true OST.
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>>159485679
Main reason is i think it was that Author tried to contain 66 paged chapter into one episode plus adding some filler and stuff from chapter 2 made things a bit awkward
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>>159486111
>mehteran
oh fuck, they have that? kek. nice.
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>>159486124
Director tried*
fuck im drunk
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>>159486124
To be fair I don't blame him, the first few arcs up until Phoenicia are incredibly forgettable.
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>>159486111
according to tweet from the sound director, they have some ottoman style OST in Altair but its mainly classical stuff
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>>159486146
I'm only hoping because it'd be criminal if they didn't. I hope the guy doing the soundtrack bothered googling Ottoman war music.
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>>159486193
They had the perfect chance to make some kick-ass battle music and they went with classical stuff instead? Why?
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>>159486212
>>159486193
Heres the Tweet:
https://twitter.com/pmdjpmdj3/status/880330997660700672
>Cool music!! There are some authentic ethnic track like this. But not just like this .I tried to be rich in variety. I hope you like it !
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>>159486261
who knows the ethnic track might top this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB0iHNg2uxQ
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>>159484894

Jesus, how many four time offenders could they ever get?
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This episode was decent, it had good start but pacing was kinda off
i give it 7.5/10
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>>159462205
Alright all that statocracy talk is nice but when will they become the empire, I need the Sultanate to get established.
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Ja-Jacques isn't going to die, r-right? He's so cute with that ribbon.
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>>159486811
He looks like Mahmut's long lost brother or something
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>>159486353
This sounds like your random drama OST at times. Needs more zurna.
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>>159486353
kek at the comments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFNffYiOT2o
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>>159486266
What that guy posted to the composer is actually quite nice.

I wonder which instrument Mahmut plays, he surely received music education in the Enderun.
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>>159487003
This reminds me, there was a shoujo manga about Hürrem and Süleyman.
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>>159486811

What were the differences between junker and hermann?
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>wake up
>see this
What do?
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>>159487217
Junker is basically capitalists while Hermann is Knights on steroids
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>>159487278
>This is your slave tonight
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>>159487278
Shara has some top tier tits.
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>>159487168
you mean the manga where Sülo is gay high elf?
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>>159487278
Scream and run away because women scare me.
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>>159487278
Call "la migra".
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The episode pacing felt way too rushed
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>>159487468
I wanted to read it, but I just couldn't after seeing bishie Sülo.

>lawgiver
More like Suleiman the Love Maker. I can't believe she actually said that.
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>>159487580
lol they tried to mix zeybek with belly dancing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUJ0esrsKMc
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>>159487580
>>159480980
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Is this outfit halal?
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>>159462621
I did see a chick with big titties in there so not sure.
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>>159487772
damn, seems that pot was added last minute
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>>159487760
I didn' even notice Mahmut was trying to dance the manly zeybek there. Top cute.
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ED of the season so far
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>>159487807
It is absolutely haram. He was right in not fucking her
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For some reason this reminds me of Kuroshitsuji.
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>>159487468
freaking hell I'd rather watch the official Turkish soap drama about Suleyman then read this piece of crap.
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>>159488151
Luckily this is actually good
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>>159488308
It's not-turkey vs not-HRE, just enjoy the pseudo-ottomeme setting
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The brown girl sure is delicious.

First episode was pretty shit though. I hope they fired the director.
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So which NOT-COUNTRY represents which country in reality?
Balt-Rhein is not-Austria and Venetia is obvious as well but what about the others?
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>>159488080
>>159488114
I Mappa had employed YoI's sparkles team there, Mahmut would have looked more blingy.
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>>159488421
Map.

Levante is clearly the levant.
Balt-Rhein is Austria/HRE
Turkiyye is turkey
Venedik is venice
Minor sultanates about turkey are like the minor sultanates in early anatolia I guess.
Various small republics like medieval italy?

Michael is based on Mont Saint Micheal in France though.
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>>159488151
What the fuck are you talking about, there is no similarities, the MC isn't even a shota.
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>>159488421
There's not-Greece, not-Spain, not-France, not-Romania and some other not-Italian regions.
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Watching right now. It goes crazy fast and I hate Mahmut's voice so much.
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>>159487278
>Fucked a Cigani
Might as well do murder suicide
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>>159488600
Bıçak = Knife
Kılıç = Sword
Mızrak = Spear

Also "Rumeriana" is probably "Rumeli". That's what the Ottomans called the Balkans, and in some rare cases, even the whole Europe.
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>>159488700
I prefer Murase voicing cute boys too. I don't mean to say that Mahmut isn't cute, but I don't think his voice fits the character.
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>>159488632
He looks like a shota
At least in manga though
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>>159489137
He is just a manlet.
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Mahmut had a weird nose in some scenes. I hope we don't have derpy Denka 2.0 as the series progress.
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Baby birb
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>>159489324
I'm googling falcons' lifespan right now. I'm not even sure if İskender is a falcon or an eagle though.
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>>159489137
He's like 15 and a manlet
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If the mangaka ever releases an artbook, I'll buy it.
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>>159489463
>The oldest known wild golden eagle was a bird banded in Sweden which was recovered 32 years later.
>The longest-lived known wild golden eagle in North America was 23 years and 10 months.
>The long-lived known captive golden eagle, a specimen in Europe, survived to 46 years of age.
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>>159489701
Iskender must be at his prime then. Falcons seem to live a little shorter.
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I want one.
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>>159489870
I pitied the spy ninja guys. Being torn apart by birbs must have hurt like hell.
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>>159487580
>>159487278
Those birthing hips.
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There wasn't enough brown girl in this episode to distract us from how bad the episode was.

The pacing was absolutely haram.
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>>159480291
I had to talk about Nemrut Dag a few years ago in university, good to know.
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>>159480735
It's a new thing, isn't just Altair. I've seen this shit in a few other series as well already.
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>>159491650
I think it's Amazon being retarded. It's also on Bahamut Virgin Soul (another Amazon show)
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>>159481955
I recognized that too, yes I guess it will be fun finding all the real life alternatives of cities, people and locations here.
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>>159482961
Same here I always see an imaginary Döner when I hear that name.
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>>159491745
>>159491650
Pretty much all shows have the "this is a work of fiction" statement included in somehow. iirc usually it's just included as a small subtitle in japanese though.
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>>159485856
As I German I can assure you that I barely ever understand anything when they're trying to speak German, it even happened that I liked and listened to certain songs and only realized they were German after someone told me or after I searched for the lyrics. Happend with βios for example.
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>>159462655
>muh political intrigue and military tactics
do people actually enjoy this shit?
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>>159493091
>not enjoying politics and military tactics
You gay son?
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>>159493091
Yes. When it is legit and not pretentious shit.
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>>159475370
And unlike Westerners, Japanese don't insert their political agenda.
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>>159493250
>bunch of old dudes in a room arguing whether to launch a strike on bridge
>that one cowardly wat mongering general is all for it
>but wait, the corrupt general has another motive and shouts back
amazing
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>>159493480
Obviously execution matters.
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>>159487278
Will she ever show up in the manga again?
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>>159484530
It's called historical fiction, particularly fantasy. Why does Game of Thrones not have Christianity or any real world polytheist religion in it? Because it's fucking fantasy (low fantasy).
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>>159484851
>Atleast they're completely butchering all those Arabic names
It's called translation, dumbass. It's why Akhilleus in Greek is Achilles in English.
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>>159487807
In a legitimate relationship, of course.
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>>159486811

Since you asked. Definitely don't go looking for the raws, anon.
>>
MUH
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>>159493888
The Roman Empire doesn't count?
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>>159493929
Who knows.
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perfect
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>>159493480

What you described has nothing to do with this manga/show. Especially considering this is classical historical and you described something from the cold war? Maybe this is all too difficult for you to understand, anon.
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Shoukoku no Altair has been my favorite manga for years; never imagined that it would get an anime because the scope becomes so massive that there's almost no way a studio would be able to pull it off. And the one that went for it is freaking Mappa? I still don't think they're going to be able to give it justice, but here's to hoping. Especially since the weakest chapters are the first 20, and the civil war arc isn't even that spectacular. I hope they at least make it to the city of mercenaries.
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He eventually plows her, right?
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>>159494710
>Even touching a gypsy harlot

100 lashes for you
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>>159494710
Enjoy your AIDs
>>
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>>159494710
She left around 60 chapters ago and hasn't shown up since.
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>>159465504
absolutely haram
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>>159494817
What a waste.
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Interesting that they opened with the second story with the brown girl. Is that possibly a sign of Mappa trying to rush through the intro-arcs to get to the good stuff?
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Why does everyone seems to be triggered over gypsies? Are they horrible or something?
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>>159494944
Probably, and also they want to assure viewers that this is not a fujo show by showing tits.
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>>159495052
Typical hated minority. Won't integrate with host culture, and often associated with high crime, low literacy, and little hygiene. Let's leave it at that.
>>
are any women important in this show or is it just fujoshit
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>>159494710
She plows him
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>>159495091
Fujo shows have tits everywhere though. Look at Kuroshitsuji.
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>>159495219

There are some very powerful and badass women, yes.
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Impressed with the first episode. Hope this gets more people to start giving the manga the recognition it deserves and learn the miracle of best boy Abiriga.
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>>159495539

Posting the next page because it's hilarious
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>>159486004
Japanese archery just seems pretty lame in general compared to archery traditions around the world. It's weird how genuine weeaboos seem to worship kyudo though.
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>>159494153
Think of the marks imprinted on her body from lying on all that.
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>>159495553
>Impressed with the first episode.
How? How could you possibly be impressed by this shit?

It was so poorly paced. It was like
Here is the main character.
He is a protege.
Here is a girl.
She found out embarrassing secret.
Main character uses falcon/hawk/eagle as a weapon.
Someone died and it has been blamed on us.
Political conflict!
I must find the truth of the killing.
I found the truth in two seconds!
My father figure is going to sacrifice himself..
Assassins!
Assassins loudly talk about their employer, what a break!
I will use birds to capture people!
Political face saving.
The only other person on this council with fancy hair is still a dick.

It was way too much for a single episode. They even had a two second fucking pan shot after his memory of finding a glowy stone showing the assassins and then cutting to night. A completely worthless cut that made no sense.
>>
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kek i love how they prounounce Mahmut as Mahmuutoo
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>>159489324
Cute
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Can't beleive that Altair thread survived the night.
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Will Mahmut ever get in the robot?
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>>159495052
They are poo in loos so disgusting, they got kicked out of the subcontinent and have been wandering ever since.
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>>159498743
R E S P E C T T H E R O B O T
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>>159484022
They stick this in front of Rage of Bahamut too even more bizarrely so.
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>>159499470
Its in english, and we don't see an equivalent Japanese wall of text. I think this is done by the US company that is doing the streaming (amazon?) and is a standard practice for TV shows in the lawsuit-happy US. Its not specific to this anime.
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>>159499799
Yeah it's amazon specific (for anime).
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>>159495596
Catherina is one helluva smugass bitch
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>>159488080
Woolly mammoth?
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>Be from Turkey
>Can't watch this since I keep laughing every other sentence
>>
That's a big turban.
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Did this feel rushed to anyon else?
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>>159501320
>1 out of 3 matches
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>>159495052
It's like the jews meme except not a meme.
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>>159501511
>implying the jews is a meme
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>>159501320
I wish they just fuckin skip those, fast forward to the Siege of Phoenicia arc and Venedik (because Kyros and Abirga need to be introduced anywat), then the Turkiye Civil War straight away.
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>>159501320
Yeah, i think they're trying to pass through the first arc as soon as possible but they don't feel like they can just skip it either
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>>159496747
To be honest, I'm just impressed the show got made and wasn't complete absolute garbage on Vatican Miracle Examiners' level. Your criticisms are totally correct but the manga's opening was pretty damn rough too so l'm cautiously optimistic now that the setup's out of the way things will improve and we'll end up with a decent adaptation. Probably. Furuhashi's never really accurate but I'm curious what he'll come up with.
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>>159502346
The hell did you find offensive about Vatican?
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>>159502394
Poor pacing, mediocre animation, and goddamn photos for backgrounds among other things. I found it to have a very rough first episode but we'll see how it goes.
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>>159496747
>I must find the truth of the killing.
>I found the truth in two seconds!
This, this was my biggest gripe with the episode desu
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>>159502469
To be completely fair Altair's animation and pacing isn't exactly good either
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>>159502553
Touché. We'll just have to wait and see how they turn out completed before I make any final judgements.
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>>159501179
One might say that is magnificent.
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>>159501179
It's full of kebabs.
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>>159502346
>and wasn't complete absolute garbage on Vatican Miracle Examiners' level.
Well there was that at least.
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>>159503065
Nah, its onion for dem kebabs
>>
I wish I knew more history to enjoy things like this more

to normie standards (for burgers anyway) I am a history god just because I know about the existence of the ottoman empire
>>
10th crusade when?
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>>159501179
4u
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>>159505394
FBI pls
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>>159505478
stands for
Flease Bive me a Iorrent
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>>159505576
okay wait no I got it I got it
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>>159505576
Check horriblesubs
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>>159462205
>roach
>blonde blue eyes
Another rapebaby.
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>>159505955
He is from genuine Turkic tribe though
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OP is garbage desu
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>>159481750
Only acceptable answer
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another beta faggot MC, at least Arslan was straight and wanted to fuck Eclair
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>>159506462
>faggot
wait for it anon, just wait for it. What you want will be there eventually.
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so this is about early ottoman empire

does it mean they're going to conquest not constantinople in one of the episodes? or have they already done that?
I really really don't like how the map doesn't even resemble earth
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>>159506748
It's about not-Ottoman Stratocracy.
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>>159505026
>I am a history god just because I know about the existence of the ottoman empire
This made me laugh. I suck at history and shows like this always give me reason to read new stuff.
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>>159497303
I keked more at Halil Paşa's "Mah-kun".
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>>159506462
>>159506671
Does Shara ever come back and is she main girl?
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>>159505788

>Arslan was straight and wanted to fuck Eclair
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>>159507253
She shows up again a couple times but she's been gone for like two thirds of the manga.
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>>159494710
>plowing a gypsy
>ever
unless you want your shit getting stolen from her family, then go ahead
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>>159508093
tits look too fake
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>Anime about mudslimes
How about no?
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>>159508220
See
>>159480798
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>>159507527
Tinkers did nothin' wrong!
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so many /pol/tards making a fool of themselves
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>>159508449
?
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>>159508449
?
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>>159465504
>>159481406
>>159487278
>>159487807
>>159493925
>>159494153
>>159494710
>>159506462
>be pasha
>this shantae clone sneak into your home
>>159501179
That's how a man declared his dick size.
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>>159482852
>no tan lines
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can't stop watching the ED
it's too fucking good
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>>159507527
Reminder that World of Darkness:Gypsies is a thing for all your scumbaggy, Romani roleplaying needs.
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I want to stain this brown goddess with my sticky white stuff.
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>>159462205
Gypsy/Kurd chimpout next week
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Great, more homo pics to bully turks with
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>>159509983
Eh Turks overall liked it
However one thing they didn't like is they call it "Türkiye" and not "Ottoman Empire" as they deem "Türkiye" something more modern as western.
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>>159509922
>concubine
>knows how to read
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>>159496747
It was rushed as fuck plot wise but they got the necessary 'here's the basic structure and world' stuff out of the way reasonably painlessly and without extended scenes of straight infodumping, which on both ends I consider pretty good by contemporary anime standards.
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>Expect /pol/ tier shitposting
>Got comfy discussion instead
How?
I think i might stay in Altair Threads, besides show looks decent so far.
I should check out the Manga too
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So how many possible gay pairing are in this.

Who gets shipped with the MC?
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>>159510998
there are already are two gay orgy doujins about it
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>>159511330
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>>159510998
also i heard they even shipping Mahmut with Human Iskender
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>>159511365
Cool burd.
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>>159511442
best birb
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>>159510998
I'm surprised people don't ship him with Cyrus, considering they even bathe together.
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>>159496747
Yeah it was pretty bad and rushed but first episodes are supposed to showcase what the series is about.
It showed it's about political maneuvering in a war climate with MC swooping in to save the day. Also brown tiddies.
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>>159511491
because their relations are 2bro4fujos
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Is the first episode good and worthy? can i have some pros and cons?
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>>159511563
The main pros are the soundtrack and the birbs.
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>>159511563
pros:
they esthablished the main pillars well
also what >>159511728 said
cons:
pacing was kinda off due to first chapter being over 66 pages long
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>>159511563
Read the thread.

If you're too lazy to do so; worst part of the show is the pacing and the best part is the ED. And it has a brown bellydancer cutie.
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>>159512073
>And it has a brown bellydancer cutie.
picked up
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>>159510928
Me too, I'm pretty surprised by how comfy this turned out to be. Keep it up, Mahmutfriends.

I had my eye on the manga ever since that one anon kept posting it in Arslan threads, but before I had a chance to read it, it got an adaptation.
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>>159512168
Don't blame me if she never appears again.
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>>159511563
Pros: Anime about kebabs.

Cons: Mappa.
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>>159512248

Definitely read the manga, the sooner the better. A ton of things will probably be cut to keep up with pacing and it's doubtful that the latest chapters will be covered anyway.
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>>159511536
I won't entirely disagree with you but the pace of it was way too fucking fast.

I don't know what the source material is like but the contents of this episode would have comfortably been three episodes and instead they rushed through it in one.

For someone who doesn't know anything about the source material it doesn't give a good impression. It makes it look shallow and uninteresting, except for the brown titties which apparently won't be with us for too long.
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I fail to understand how a culture that developed the exotic art of belly dancing that accentuate a woman charms to ease the carnal lust of men, have become so sexually repressed today.
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>>159512716
From what you'd also have seen itt the source material is apparently good, and the episode was a 66 page chapter. I'd say don't get your hopes down just yet.
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>>159512716

Trust me, if you stick with it you'll be glad they rushed through this part. Upcoming events are much better and will hopefully be paced more reasonably.
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>>159512810
It always was prude the sexiness was reserved for the upper class
Women didn't wear hijabs a lot though as they were obstructive to work
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>>159512810
Persia is not Ottoman Empire friendo but it seems this anime has mixed the two
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>>159513044
The Ottoman court was lewd as fuck and the Ottoman Empire was a Persianate i.e. it had Persian customs for rulers and government
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>>159512810
Unfortunately, religion does that to people.
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>>159513129
I think you've got your history mixed up mate
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>>159513130
>religion does that to people
If you think religion did that then how did such cultural behaviors survive for 1400 years?

Truth is Islam was one of the lewdest religion on earth, 4 waives and unlimited amount of harem and traps.

I blame the fundamentalists for ruining it.
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>>159513290
no?
do you know much about the Porte? Its harems? The kafes?
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>>159512810
Ottoman Islam was not Wahabbism dude.
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>>159513409
>Ottoman Islam was not Wahabbism dude.
There's different kind of Islam?
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>>159512810
What you're failing to understand is that Wahhabism, which is the modern shitty fundamentalist version of Islam that terrorists and Arabs love so much is a fairly recent development. After the being ruled by the Persians, Syrians, Egyptians, Mongols, and Turks, Islam had mellowed out in many parts of the world, but then Arab nationalism, Oil money, and reactionary attitudes towards western culture started to become the norm in the 20th century.
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>>159513555
Wahhabism WAS a reaction to the perceived decadence of the Ottoman and Persian Empires, they were lewd
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>>159513555
Many different kinds, and not just Sunni and Shia, that's are just the largest divide, like how you have Catholic derived churches in the west and Orthodox derived churches in the East.
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>>159513300
>>159513341
You are talking about royalty/sultan under the guise of providing successors that is not to do with the commoners
they did whatever the fuck they wanted
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>>159513555
Just different interpretations

Pretty much this >>159513566
A lot of stuff you see Arabs do to their women like cover them completely and stuff is not in Islam at all. They just invented it themselves.
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>>159513652
Yes I was explicitly talking about the court hence me bringing up the [Sublime] Porte.
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>>159513566
>>159513623
>wahabism
Where does sunni/shia fall into that?
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>>159488973
Rumeli is an abbreviation of Romania(As in remnants of Roman Empire) by Turks
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>>159513300
All religions forbid a shit ton of things but people keep doing them anyway. Also you can be lewd only if you are a rich man, you have to marry women or keep them as concubines to be able to see their faces. Anything else is considered adultery and gets the man whipped or something. I think you can avoid that if you have the money.

The religion had lots of fucked up rules even before fundamentalists shitted all over them, but I'd rather talk about Mahmut-kun here.
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>>159513721
Rumeli means "Land of the Romans"
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>>159513702
Wahhabism falls into the sunni category.
But it is by no means the standard. It is just veing peddled by the Saudis
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>>159494266
Why didnt Turks adopt plate armor during these times?Fucking retarded if you ask me
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>>159513798
*being peddled
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>>159513798
So shia is better?
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I still don't know if the doge a male or female.
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>>159513874
Is that Vlad in the top left?
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>>159513839
What do you mean? Most of sunni islam is not wahhabism but yes the vast majority of terrorists are sunni salafists.
Iran is twelver shia
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>>159513913
Yeah, notVlad.
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>>159513721
>>159513764
Yeah, so it's used to refer to lands in the west of Anatolia.

Also, I wish Altın was a port city, we could have got some nice backgrounds then.
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>>159513839
No, both Shia and Sunni are too large to generalize. It's like trying to generalize Protestantism in general, which is retarded because there's a huge difference between Mormonism and Anglican Reformed.
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>>159513944
He has a nice stache.
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>>159513936
I'm confused.
So wahhabism are sunni but sunni is not wahabisim.
What's a salafist and twelver?
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>>159513874
>trusting Venetians EVER
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When will they fuck?
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>>159513702
Iirc Wahabbism is an extremely fundamentalist branch of Sunni Islam.
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>>159514001
Sunni and Shia are the two main denominations within Islam. Shia splits into many sects, in which the largest one is Twelver Shi'ism.

Wahhabism is a Sunni sect that arose in the late 18th century at a time when Muslims were trying to grapple with the question of why the Islamic world was so powerless at the hands of the West. The Wahhabist idea that if Muslims could return to the original, "pure" form of Islam (obviously quite open to subjective interpretation), then they could restore their former glory.

Salafism is a larger movement, among which Wahhabism is one, also dedicated to reforming Islam through a return to original Islamic practices, which is you often hear them labelled as "fundamentalist" by the Western media.
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>>159514001
Wahhabism is a sect within the sunni denomination
Salafism is an umbrella term for extreme fundamentalism and includes wahhabism.
Twelver Shia is the dominant version of shia, it refers to the twelve imams
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Is there anyone in Altair who has Daryun levels of loyalty? I enjoy loyalty in historical settings, because we're sure to get many betrayals along the road.
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>>159513839
There's no who's better, they all pray to the same God and respect the Prophet. Shias just doesn't agree with the way leadership was handled after the Prophet's death. They believe the next in line to rule after the Prophet was supposed to be his cousin, Imam Ali, while the Sunnis were against this and they went with the Prophet's close companions first. Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman, and then Imam Ali.

So the Shias split and decided to follow Ali on their own.
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>>159514227
>>159514001
Here's a useful image to understand the Islamic divisions. The image is not comprehensive as there are other minor branches. One cool sect that branched off and even became its own separate religion is Baha'ism which is a post-Islam, universalist religion.
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>>159514333
So sunni and shia are in conflict of which man should have taken the leadership 1400 years ago?
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>>159514464
Yes essentially, but more and more differences piled up during that time
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>>159514464
Pretty much that's the start of it yeah lol.
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>>159514464
Basically yes. Of course since then a lot a doctrinal differences have cropped up. That's why before I said it was like the schism in the Christian church, where a dispute over the primacy of the Patriarch of Rome split the church into it's Catholic and Eastern Orthodox halves.
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>>159513818
Probably a combination of nomadic cavalry traditions emphasizing maneuver over shock, climate (Anatolian temperatures are much higher than western europe, I think), and the lack of incentive since the Ottomans were still winning battles. By the time they were starting to lose more and more battles to Europeans, gunpowder had already become the main decisive weapon, making plate armour unnecessary. Additionally, I think plate armour with their poor ventilation would have been terrible to wear for Ottoman cavalry, especially when facing off the Persian cavalry in the blistering heat of Iraq and Iran.
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>>159514856
>I think plate armour with their poor ventilation would have been terrible to wear for Ottoman cavalry, especially when facing off the Persian cavalry in the blistering heat of Iraq and Iran.
That reminds me I need to find some good books about Ottoman/Persian conflicts, you can find a million books in English about the Turks fighting against Slavs, Greeks, Magyars, or Germans, but like nothing on their wars in the East.
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>>159514628
Kind of but those were between Italy and Greece whereas the Muslims were under the same banner
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>>159514628
Honestly, I really like the pre-Schism 5 Patriarchs system. It's just so RPG-ish.
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>>159500485

It's amazing, I never thought I'd like a character like her. But she's so impressive it's impossible not the be charmed. Plus she managed to snag rogue best boy into a relationship.
He named his bird after her.
I hope they spell her name Katerina.
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>>159515194
Yeah, I've only managed to glean fragmented pieces of it from various papers. Historians seem to HATE doing sustained narratives on military history when it comes to wars that don't involve any European states. You see it all the time even in other fields like Chinese or Japanese history which are quite popular non-European fields for English-speaking historians.

I've yet to read it myself, but for the 16th century Ottoman-Safavid wars, try "The Origins and Development of the Ottoman-Safavid Conflict." For the 18th century phase of the conflict, I'd recommend "Sword of Persia" which is first and foremost a biography of Nader Shah but it still covers his campaigns against the Ottomans in Iraq. It's a fun book in any case about an underrated figure in history.
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>>159514375
I love it when you visit such threads and explain stuff, thanks.
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>>159512810
Because harems and belly dancing are myths from the west.

The "harem" was where all women stayed - the Sultan's mother, wives, servants, concubines, etc. Most women were servants who never even saw the Sultan. And there weren't orgies or scantily clad women lounging around pools or luxurious furniture. European artists and writers made that up to write erotica.

Also bellydancing wasn't sexual and was not performed with revealing clothes. It was done for entertainment to perform for/with the same sex in areas restricted for the same sex. Also the dance moves weren't sexualized looking ones like the west - they were more limited movements. But PT Barnum in the west took the dancing and removed the belly part of the clothes and called it "bellydancing". He came up with the name loosely based on a French translation. These dances were more sexual. This kind of dancing was reimported back to the Middle East around the 1800's or 1900's (Can't remember) to perform for tourists mostly and perhaps locals/the wealthy (Can't recall). It was banned for lewdness at different times or allowed due to popularity and tourism bucks at other times.

Also Islam being conservative isn't just a Wahhabi/Salafi thing like these other guys are saying. It's always been somewhat conservative and was NEVER bellydancers running around a harem or decadent like the modern day west (The west wasn't decadent back then either). The only truly "moderate" or western muslims are those who simply choose to ignore parts of their religion or the entire thing.
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>>159515344
The whole selection process of the Catholic Pope seems kinda RPG-ish too with the whole cardinals locking themselves inside a single building.
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I hope there's bellydancers and a harem. I love the aesthetic. Mahmut-kun should use his power and wealth to attract a harem of qt concubines to dance for him.
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>>159514269
Gralat that i think of
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>>159516443
I hate transparent hair.
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>>159516159
>It was done for entertainment to perform for/with the same sex in areas restricted for the same sex. Also the dance moves weren't sexualized looking ones like the west - they were more limited movements.
So, the thing about young boys having to crossdress and belly dance is a lie then? Kind of disappointed to be frank.
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>>159516159
>reimported back to the Middle East around the 1800's or 1900's

It's kind of funny how countries, rather than being passively visited by tourists, will often choose to change their culture to pander for dem tourism bucks. One anime-related example is how the Belgium built two monuments about the Dog of Flanders to pander to Japanese tourists (during the 80s with the high-flying Japanese economy) even though the story had been pretty obscure for actual Belgians, who were confused why all these Japanese tourists were coming to visit the Antwerp cathedral alol of a sudden.
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>>159516615
It is a lie for Ottoman periods, the Ottomans never allowed males into the harem territory where it was all females, not even the higher ranking ones, only Sultan was allowed in there, and the eunuchs servants.

However if you mean bacha bazi that is not a lie its just not part of the Ottomans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi
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>>159516159
I didn't say that only salafis were prude, I did mention that they were always kind of prude. Wahhabis did consider the imperial courts decadent though
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>>159517059
lewd
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Yeah butOttomans had similar stuff to it
>>159481213
iirc many Padishahs had boy harem including the father of the Mehmed II, who impaled the vlad's ass with his shishkebab many times
They say he was his favourite
Btw new thread when?
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>>159517694
>>159517059
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>>159517538
As the quote goes, "Women are for children, boys are for pleasure."

Also, fun article on the rampant male love in Wahhabist Saudi Arabia: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/305774/
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>>159517694
>who impaled the vlad's ass with his shishkebab many times
kek
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>>159517538
>draw a girl
>call it a boy
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>>159517694
>They say he was his favourite
wasn't his favorite was his brother radu?
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>>159517915
I heard rumours about how Vlad was his favourite like during the fug he kicked his crotch and make it run for it, climbed to the tree, Sultan catches him, yet he didn't felt mad about it.
Wonder how Mehmed II felt about...
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>>159518109
Kek, this sounds like an animu plot.

>>159515931
Thank you for those book recommendations. I hope I read more /his/ thanks to Mahmut Paşa.
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>>159462205
If you want to continue:
>>159518328
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>>159517801
I remember an Ottoman poem (might even be a book) about the pros and cons of boys of different nationalities. It was weird, yet fun.
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>>159518642
l-link?
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>>159518742
The name is "Huban-name" but I doubt if a translation exists. I didn't read the real thing, but a couple of articles about it. I found this:

>"Another famous proponent of the genre was Fazil Bey, whose Huban-name or 'The Book of Beautiful Boys' takes the genre's seriality a step further by cataloguing the most desirable boys not just of one city but of the world."
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>>159519498
Thanks lad will look it up.
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>Begins investigation
>Ends investigation
>Frustrated because the investigation gives no results
>Casually puts his eyes on the FUCKING evidence for the first time
>ITS FAKE!

Best detective ever
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>>159520723
I was quite disappointed with Tantei Mahmut too. The feather trick was cool but the speed at which he solved the case was dumb.
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>>159519498
>>159520023
I found out that a French translation exists, because apparently the Turkish edition is translated from the French edition. I wonder if there are fujo historians who'd work on the original Turkish script.
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