Spring 2017 Sales #s

>>159384310
>41,970　Cinderella Girls Gekijou
Holy fucking shit

>>159384310
I actually liked some granblue episodes.

>>159384310
>**,368　Renai Boukun
Hot garbage deserved it

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>>159385021

>>159384310
Whelp, rip everything I loved this season.

>>159384310
>**,742　Tsugumomo
Thats just sad. It deserves more, but the adaptation was too slow so I suppose its there.

How the fuck did granblue get to.the top? It wad so fucking boring and there was no plot, it only had fan service im the last two episodes.

Virgin Soul is AOTY and it flopped, fuck this planet.

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>>159385021
Just confirms everyone wants CGDGT not some drama fest.

>>159385936
It had bonuses

>>159385936
Because of the game.

>>159385936
Phone posters.

>>159385936
Because of people like me, sumanai.

>>159384310
How did Little Witch Academia do??

Granblue could do crossover promotions with every anime in a season and they'd all sell 10k+.

>>159385772
Shotaisque leads will never sell well among anime otaku.
Never.

>>159386216
y tho?

>>159386276
Because shota is one of the bane for the majority of seinen otaku.

>>159386189
Flopped

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>>159384310
>*1,392　Dungeon ni Deai wo Motomeru no wa Machigatteiru Darou ka Gaiden: Sword Oratoria
Serves them right
Should have just done S2 instead

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>>159386379
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>159386379
LWAfags will come out and say sale doesn't matter because trigger got fucking netflix money. But really, sales partially tells something about the quality of the show.

>>159386379
Ok, so, How much did they sale?

>>159386532
You are absolutely right, Cinderella will probably change the anime as we know it

>>159384310
>41,970 Cinderella Girls Gekijou
Where is that pic of four japaneses otakus in four panels when you need it?

>>159386608
3k

>>159386532
MUH NETFLIX BUX is a meme anyways, I'd be surprised if Netflix gave them more than $100k.

>>159386688
Well, I expected worse. This isn't too bad

>>159386379
>>159386532
Everyone know neets have no taste though. Literally look at the top two in the OP.

>>159386628
>GBF
>CG
Both are casual Mobagecancers with in-game rewards.
Color me surprised the more casual something is, the more it sells.

>>159386727
>>159386688
Actually, combined sales of 1st volume are at 4.4k now.
Hardly a flop.

>>159386423
Was it really that bad?
Was considering giving it a watch

>>159386608
Found some stats;

Little Witch Academia
Total sales: 3,165
¥63.8m gross

>>159386796
As a studio's flagship anime. yes it is

>>159386798
Read the manga. Seriously, just skip the anime, it was a bad adaptation

>>159386798
I didnt watch it
It was about characters i did not care about

The main series did like 6k

>>159384310
>3 min episode show crushes everything except from mobage trash
that says a lot

>>159384310
>*3,305　Sin Nanatsu no Taizai
>*2,270　Re:Creators
Clasic in the making lost to figurine comercial
JUST

>>159386608
>>159386728
GBF and CG are both mobage-related so they have other reasons than the anime itself. But for LWA, sales already show that the quality isn't worth buying (at least in nips opinion).

>>159386912
>and 3 min episode show is also a mobage trash

Why do the OPs never say what these numbers mean exactly? Or at least post a link to the source, which probably says what the numbers mean.

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I only care about Tsuki ga Kirei, Sale numbers when.

>>159386964
I will explain it you sweetie. You see those numbers next to the show titles? It means how many copies it has sold. Pretty simple right?

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>>159384310
AOTS at dead last, renai Boukun deserves better!

>>159386936
Lol are you talking about that CLASSIC show with a passive progagonist?

Literally the main character served no purpose other than to extend exposition,

>>159387107
Literally nobody but little boys like girls like the red head, and she was made out to be the "flagship" girl of the series.

>>159386971
>I only care about shitty wish-fullfillment fantasy romance for beta losers

>>159386936
>killing best girl in a humiliating and painful way by "I'm so mature and cool" shit girl
That's what hot garbage deserved.

>>159387033
Copies of boxes?
Copies of single volumes? If volumes, how many episodes / how much running time.
Period of time in which the volumes were sold?

>>159387297
... Also if the period of time starts with the release of volume 1, when was volume 1 sold.

>>159387297
http://www.someanithing.com/7669

>>159387398
Thanks!

>>159386798
Other than the shitty elf, it was decent.

Aiz is love. Tiona is sex. I wish I was the minataur

>>159384310
>*2,270　Re:Creators
All the TIME AND EFFORT Hiroe reportedly spent crafting the world down the drain because it was shit
>Hiroe sudokus and black lagoon never finishes

Where are the FAGs?

>>159387891
Goes on sale in two weeks.

>>159385936
>>159385983
>>159385995
>>159386031
Virgin souls also have bonus. But it's on a deadgem.

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>>159384310
>52,017　Granblue Fantasy The Animation
Give me season 2 already

>>159388103
It's funny because it's made by the same people with frequent crossovers.
Yet it has arguably the better story and characters. Rip.

>Reddit:CREATORS - flop
>SnK 2 - almost a flop
>MALdenashi - flop
>Tsuki ga QUALITY - projected to flop
Eromanga-sensei - 10k by the end of this week, projected at 8,5k~11k average

Get fucking shit on. Get.fucking.shit.on.
God this feels good, never change Japan.

>>159388159
Season 2 was confirmed in Granblue Anime Channel #6

>>159388296
I'm not sure who's responsible for Kugyuu getting all these boy roles lately, but I want to find and stab him in the nostrils with a teaspoon.

>>159388365
Just wait until we have Vampy-chan the animation!

>Eromanga Sensei 10k
>Shitgeki no Kyojin 6k
>LWA 3k
>RokuAka 2k
C-C-COMBO BREAKER

>>159388523
That will never happen.

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>>159388545
How can they compete

>>159384310
Reminder that this is only volume 1 sales.
GBF volume 2 sold 38k and volume 3 sold 32k, so the average will drop to around 40k most likely or more like 35k if the drop rate is constant.
Gentle reminder that fujo show Yuri on Ice has an average of almost 70k.

>>159388175
Most regulars don't care about the story/characters of a cartoon, it's an adaptation of a super popular phone game app they like playing so of course they'll eat the shit out of it regardless especially if it comes with game bonuses.

>>159388103
Though the bonus was for playable Nina in granblue, and I don't think she is a character who would endear otaku.

>>159388175
It's even funnier that bahamut's bonuses are codes for GBF and it still flopped.

>>159386798
Mediocre. Also the elf is so bad she makes Bell seem cool.

>>159388614
And many fujo shows flopped. YoI just happened to have high quality and right advertisement.
But what's the point of bringing it up anyway? 35k average is a success already.

>>159388614
Reminder that Your Name destroy fujoshit with only 1 discs.

>>159386936
how do these numbers work anyways
is there a chance that re:creators hasn't sold many BDs yet just because it's only halfway through its season and people are waiting till the end?

>>159385963
Or maybe since they're shorts, the BD is cheaper and in more value

>>159385021
>cut the dudes
>sales double

Ebin.

>>159388523
As soon as she becomes core, she'll be in the anime

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>>159387718
A design by committee product can never hold up. It's hard in the anime industry for individuals to reach a level of influence where they can make the ideas they want to make. He should just stick to manga.

>>159389415
>Danmachi remove the male MC
>sells four time worse

Ebin.

>>159389415
Nigga, Producer is still there
it's also a BD of 3min shorts

>>159389067
http://www.someanithing.com/5777
2016 was carried by fujo shows and shows for women. First time I've seen that.

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>>159389067
>YoI just happened to have high quality and right advertisement.

>>159389218
It's not selling because people aren't interested in buying it. The genre of it is a clusterfuck, the characters drift in and out of existence, animation and direction is unimpressive and most of the dialogue is exposition.

>>159389218
First volume sales

>>159389860
I think it's amazing how they wasted such a promising premise. If they made it more of a comedy it would've been fantastic.

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>>159389218
Characters that are likeable and/or fapbait get no screentime.
Characters that frustrate most viewers get the most screentime.

>>159388614
It's called gacha EOP

>>159389535

Oratoria anime was a fucking disaster that cut 70% of the content.

>>159389860
Stop trying to sell your shitty opinion as fact.

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>>159389716
>retard from /co/ thinking he has the right to laugh at anyone
YoI had the audience hooked since episode 1, the premise was a breath of fresh air and people were curious ever since it was announced.

>>159389705

Love Live is still the #1 2016 anime.

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>>159390319
Not in disc sales
Dont bring up concerts and other shit

>>159389088
But it didn't.

>That gap between Idol Master and EMS
Holy shit. That series really does print money.

>every single fucking sales thread is fujoshit vs yuri/idolshit

>>159390699
Don't even bother with these. It doesn't matter to us either way.

>>159390261
He's right. The anime is fucking shit and entertaining to no one.

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AIDORU STRONK

>>159390836
The anime is really good and enterainint to a lot of people

>>159390849
I know it's not possible, but the urge of wanting to kiss her passionately yet tenderly is becoming genuinely unbearable and might have a lasting impact on my psyche.

>>159391024
>rubypedos

>>159384310
Where's the furry show at, Zero kara whatever?

>>159391024
ruby is garbage

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>>159391060
>>159391184
Say whatever you want, that's how I feel.
And yes, I'm a pedo, and Ruby is not even my preferred age, or body range usually, yet I find her the most attractive girl ever regardless.

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>>159390262
>the premise was a breath of fresh air
Hasn't your kind made enough fools out of themselves?

>>159384310

Anime continues to sell like goddamn ass without massive event/gacha ticket campaigns for games I see. Talk about a totally devalued medium. Cinderella Girls probably could have pushed the 100K mark in Japan if it packaged in concert tickets too. Eromanga Sensei which I thought was supposed to some sort of big light novel pedophile waifu pandering hit followup to OreImo doesn't even look like it managed to push 10K and if that's the event ticketed box....like that was supposed to be a huge one in Japan. Then you've got your standard idol shit and....yeah it just looks like such a shit stagnant market still in 2017. No wonder companies are starting to rely more and more on mobile tie-ins and streaming deals now.

>>159387718

More like Aniplex just continues to suck dicks at putting together "originals" (Oh hey we'll put Sawano on it and some director that did one of our "hits" and I guess this guy that wrote an edgy manga once and surely that'll do it) and the Japanese market doesn't want them anyway. Troyca clearly isn't going anywhere as a studio with them as a producer, like these are way worse numbers than Aldnoah even. I when when you're supposed to be this big ambitious show and can't even compete with the numbers of say Cross Ange...yeah....just stick to exploiting the already popular licenses with the mobile game tie-ins there guys.

The secret to these threads is really everybody ultimately loses when it comes to Japanese anime BD market sales as all they care about are getting their bonuses for popular shit on social media otherwise it's streaming time.

>>159391397
poshn

>>159385936
video game bonuses etc etc, konosuba had a boost as well thanks to packaging a game as well (although the game was neat for what it is).

Business101, although business prediction don't always pan out.

Also yes Granblue fantasy is a shitty version of the first 60 eps of One Piece.

>>159384310
>*1,434　Shuumatsu
>**,742　Tsugumomo
RIP

>>159391613
Oh, hey Aniplex-guy is back!

Practically every producer in the world uses the same tactic in order to increase their chances of getting a hit. They gather talent that were recently successful and put them together on a project. It works at times, but more often than not, it leads to "Too many cooks in the kitchen" situation. You can't really fault them for using a sound strategy that's proven to work.

I would like to hear why you think the market is stagnating, nobody knows how to explain that.

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>>159384310
>Mobile shit and aidoru garbage each have more sales than every other show combined
>Renai Boukun, Clockwork Planet, and surprisingly Tsugumomo flopped hard
>Best runner up is Eromanga

What a shit sale list.

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>People whining about Granblue having extra shit in its BD box
>Despite the fact that literally every anime BD and DVD box has had bonus shit in it for the last 10 years
You retards only just now hearing about handshake tickets?

>>159385772
Nobody's gonna buy this. The whole idea is to buy the manga that is more lewd than the anime adaptation.

>>159390261
Right, it's not selling because nips just don't see the masterpiece in the making, right reee:shitter?

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>>159391613
I dunno about you guys, but I love seeing antiplex go mad over shitty anime every single sales thread while Aniplex profit continues making money. How does it feel to be powerless to the justice that is money in this wonderful capitalistic world?

>Troyca clearly isn't going anywhere as a studio with them as a producer
Nah, during and after Aldnoah they got offered to work on another anime original project (re:creators), idol otomeshit this summer and one more project, they still have work to do.

Why is Titans season 2 selling so little when season 1 was one of the biggest sellers ever?

>>159389534
>Episodes 4-5 had 4 writers working on them

Jesus fucking christ. No wonder the anime turned out to be an irredeemable piece of shit

>>159392759
Aniplex already won this season with Granblue, idolmaster, Eromanga Sensei, and Saekano, at this point it looks like they're just fucking around with Re:Creators.

>>159393183
Yup, pretty much that, they can afford the anime originals they produce and hope that one day they'll hit the bingo again like with Madoka.

>>159392759

You have a really interesting view of what's transpiring in this thread anon. Again as if anyone would expect literally anything less from a Japanese market sales list (this seems to be where you miss the point entirely) and the numbers continue to still be lower than I would otherwise imagine, but we're talking a shrinking market here anyway that relies on package deals and popular licenses in Japan to give anything a shot at selling in the 5 digits at all. It's not about the quality of the show so I don't see why people still sit here acting like it is and being mad about it other than that they are dumb, and no the length of your post isn't actually a direct and arbitrary indicator of your actual mood on something, just when 4chan wants to say somebody is mad about something that persons "mad" about that thing, just like it's whole "reddit spacing" thing.

Have concert tickets, mobile game tie-ins, and erotic fanservice or GTFO this market already is basically what I'm saying and the market itself says. I don't even know why some of this stuff continues to get physical releases if it's not going to go to bat with at least 1 of those 3 things in a market like the 2010's R2 BD one.

I love that it's always stuff nobody rightly gives a shit about outside of Japan that does best there though and that you'll never see any of these bonus deals that bloat some of the packages numbers well beyond their actual means outside of Japan. The Japanese and global markets really couldn't be further apart.

>>159391977

It strikes me as self-evident but so do a lot of things that seem mystifying to people on internet message boards nowadays.

>>159389218
everyone angry coz they killed off best girl

>>159392759
Those F/GO dollars, too. Can't be denied they are winning this year.

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>>159390836

He's not right at all though. The anime is still on going and while it wont hit Grandblue levels it will get more sales once it is over. It's by no means the worst show of the season, nor is it the best. A lot of faggots on this board seem to have a passionate hateboner for this series. I think they are just being contrarian.

>>159384310
God bless mobage slaying incestshit

>>159393394
Madoka is the reason why they keep producing original anime in that manner.

>>159393614
It will be lucky if it could keep a 2k average. After Re:creators ends, it will be the last you hear of it. It will be dumped after they move to making the next "original" idea.

>>159393789
Madoka is still saving us even today by giving us original anime works every season. Weren't for her, 100% of the shows would be glorified ads to sell books and manga.

>>159393614
Contrarian? Keep that for shows that are huge on /a/, please.
Re;Creators has fucking unlikable girl killing lovely, cute girl. For that, it became instant shit for me.

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>>159384310
>52,017　Granblue Fantasy The Animation
Now we just need more Lyria doujins

>>159393764
>mobage
>anything but worst
God bless you sucking the dick of the casual cancer.

>>159393977
Fantasy anime > mysisteriscuteandiwannafuckher 2

>>159393037

Fujoshi moved on to new things I guess. It's the international market that really likes that one, the Japanese one went apeshit over Levi, but now the big fujoshi thing is Yuri on Ice which is why that was the top seller last year. It's a really really fucked up trend based pocket market that's reliant on a lot of factors that have nothing to do with the quality of a show or how it's seen or received on an global scale.

>>159393183

This iDOLM@STER wasn't even Aniplex or Bandai this time though, it was published by Kadokawa/Media Factory. You people have no idea what you're even talking about because you don't actually research anything so have a good day. Like fuck I know this shit and I don't even watch anime anymore and barely follow the scene.

Anyway winning a market that largely involves whoever has the best tickets and licenses and whoever panders the best to the right whale demographics doesn't exactly feel like a great competition. I mean most of a season of shows got "BTFO" in this market by a 3 minute ONA series literally just because it features a hugely popular brand and event tickets. That sure is a market worth "winning".

>>159394052
Fantasy or not, it's still mobage casual shit cancer with shit main girls to boot.

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>>159393614
Really solid show. /a/ doesn't care about granblue or idolmaster as much as japs do and
/a/ doesn't spend money on their anime so this thread is only good for people with
hateboners trying to pick a fight with those who enjoy what they like.

Besides, even if it sells or not, It's neither getting canceled nor it has to worry about a
second season like those LN or manga adaptations. Just have fun with it while it lasts.

Why does bad anime sell so well?

>>159393429
You missed the point of my post and continued being upset enough to write that whole post, congratulations. You seem to have a very naive and misguided view of the world, it's not even just the anime industry, a myriad of artists we consider geniuses died in poverty.

>Have concert tickets, mobile game tie-ins, and erotic fanservice or GTFO this market already is basically what I'm saying and the market itself says
So? That's how it works, kiddo. They're catering to their own market and making money.

>>159393558

With the kind of licenses they tapped for 2017 it was self evident that they would be having a very profitable year. Their originals or anything that doesn't play with only the trendiest of otaku baiting licenses that they can shove extras and exclusives into the package for is crashing and burning like everything else though, but that's also largely expected and the same rules apply with every outfit. The problem with the Japanese animation BD market and it's consumers is that it seems entirely incapable of creating and embracing anything actually fresh or new anymore. It'd be straight fucked without ties to the mobile game and doujin industries and in a world where social media goings on didn't weigh in.

It hardly matters though as it's moving more and more towards a streaming based model to shore up the global market where the big players are going to be giants like Netflix and Amazon and one of these days they're going to be asking for a seat on those vaunted production committees that have struggled to remain entirely Japanese to the point of refusing and diverting funds off to side projects and god only knows what that'll mean. Like all Amazon or Netflix would have to do is say, no this money goes to this project and only this project and presto they have the top seat on a production committee and the immense power over the direction of entire franchises, projects that comes with it.

>>159394089
>Like fuck I know this shit and I don't even watch anime anymore and barely follow the scene.
You know it because you rage about it every time in these threads, the fans of those anime who are carefree and having fun are having a much better time than you, that's for sure.
>You people have no idea what you're even talking about because you don't actually research anything so have a good day.
Says the guy who keeps denying shit when people link him official statements.

>>159394245
Why do bad movies rule at the box office?

>>159393614

This board is just really fucking stupid all around. I scarcely believe anyone's supposed opinion as it's stated because it is and probably always will be just a say whatever people think will bait the most people affair.

>>159393789

Except that formula hasn't really worked at all since either in producing a quality show or in terms of a smash hit.

>>159393877

Yeah you think that anon.

>>159394206

This guy is one of the closest to getting what actually goes on in the Western anime community in general. These days it just looks like a bunch of really sad teenagers talking out of their ass and looking for something to jerk it too.

>>159394434

Oh yeah and what point was that cause I sure didn't see anything that looked like one being made. If it's the one below then really no fucking shit.

>>159394434
>replying to Aniplex guy

We managed to get him to fuck off for half a year, don't get him to stay.

>>159394670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqOn7wa4jRU

>>159394541

Or you know that's just how people talk sometimes for emphasis and coloring up the text and they aren't actually upset. The internet seems to struggle to understand how real functional adults talk and act though and mistakes literally everything for being ragey because that's how dumb people on twitter really do act.

Also what official statements? What are you even talking about anon or have we entered the literally just make a whole bunch of shit up phase of a thread?

>>159394698

As far as I can tell a bunch of people are just starting to talk out of their asses so it's really business as usual. People on /a/ have really misplaced priorities, it sure is something to behold. You people lost the topic about pre-order bonuses dominating the R2 BD market ages ago in this thread is all I'm able to tell here.

>>159394901
>People on /a/
You reveal yourself every time you stupid crossboarder.

>>159394434

I know. The fact that you don't seem to realize this says everything I need to know about this exchange too. Again see point about shit that's self-evident to most functional human beings apparently not being to most of /a/ because it only knows how to be reactionary towards everything.

>>159384310
>*1,434 Shuumatsu
Shame, it was one of the better adaptations.

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>>159394206
>Besides, even if it sells or not, It's neither getting canceled nor it has to worry about a

This is very true. I understand the criticisms aimed at Re:Creators it has its issues but I personally find it entertaining for what it is. Once it ends, that will be the end of that series. So I don't really see why anyone gets worked up about it. I'm all for anime originals even if they often turn out to be mediocre. It's a breath of fresh air in an industry that churns out long LN commercials nonstop.

At least, so far, Re:Creators has been better than Aldnoah.

>>159394946

Okay you worry about that stuff then. The R2 BD Market discussion wasn't a very interesting one anyway was it?

>>159385936
Virgin Soul started off nice but it's kind of shit now. Ironically season 1 had the same exact problem. Though in Virgin Soul's case it probably has to do with the new writer who is complete garbage.

>>159394901
>misplaced priorities

You're posting walls of text on some backwater imageboard, what right do you have to say about priorities? If you hate this place so much just leave, your continued posting only reveals your real intentions.

>>159385963
Fucking this, both Idolmaster and Cinderella are terrible but Puchimas and Gekijou are perfect.

>>159395007

Anime industry setting the bar high as ever. By modern original TV show standards it's not outright terrible, it's just kind of there as a distraction and indeed the definition of mediocrity all around.

This is an industry and consumer base that has set an incredibly low bar for itself so that's not saying much. By the modern anime industries standards, mediocre original might as well mean fucking revolutionary masterpiece. As for people arbitrarily hating something, I mean it exists and it's 4chan right? It's also quite possible 4chan just doesn't know what actual hate looks like either since it tends to file a lot of things under that category that clearly aren't an expression of hate at all so it can use the reaction macros and greentexts it wants to fit into posts. "Reddit spacing" anyone?

>>159395062
I hope you didn't fall for that fake head writer quote

>>159395202
Daiz pls go

>>159395007
I watched the first season of Re:Creators and didn't enjoy it at all. I can see what they wanted to achieve with things like Mamika's character development and jabs at the industry, but the characters are badly used and Aoki apparently did a bad job at adapting Hiroe's vision because the tone of some scenes just doesn't mesh well with the story. Aldnoah was dumb as fuck but it was the equivalent of a Hollywood action movie with drama, cheap entertainment which Re:Creators isn't but it also fails at being a "smart" anime because it's trying too hard to take itself seriously.

I had high hopes for the premise and am awfully disappointed with the execution.

>>159395101

It doesn't actually take that long to type seeing as I'm using an actual keyboard and I won't even be here in another 15 minutes anyway so yeah.....this has been fascinating in some ways, predictable in others. Aside from Granblue Fantasy (which sold because of bonuses same as IM@S and given how stockholm syndromed some of these mobile game players are if they have a guaranteed chance at getting a certain character that doesn't involve gacha luck they're gonna take it. It's basically selling DLC for a game at that point with some other extra artbooks and shit and a disc with some episodes on it) everything including EMS sold much less than I would have predicted based on obvious popularity in Japan which almost seems in keeping with modern trends. I guess streaming really did take the piss out of the R2 market.

My other observation would be that the Japanese mobile and gaming market in general kind of just appears to take a giant dump on the animation industry proper at this point. Bandai should start producing some more animation discs based on their video game brands and start selling some DLC shit for them that way too and they'd dominate at least a few seasons again. I mean that's basically the tactic they used to get Love Live it's records.

Also if you want to talk triggered, being upset over somebody that's actually able to think and type at a decent clip is pretty bad but hey twitter right so 140 character shitposts only. Like I'm sorry I don't suck at these things.

>>159395252
No I saw that and know it's fake. That doesn't change the fact that the reason why people liked Genesis was because of the adventurous feel to it and the character interactions. VS is just a shitty romance between two unlikable characters that has been taking place in the same setting for 12 episodes straight and moving at a snails pace.

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S2 when???

>>159384310
>*2,270　Re:Creators
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>159395565
Why should people be upset over an autistic teenager dying to talk about his misguided opinions on a Mongolian carpentry forum and spending hours on crying instead of doing something with his life?

>>159395518

You realize Aoki is co-writing the scripts for the anime too right? Why I don't know but scripts don't matter in the Japanese animation industry anymore anyway. I also don't think it's trying to be a "smart" anime, just to make itself as topical as it can week to week on social media.

>>159395565
And nobody gives a shit.

>>159395821

You tell me.

>>159395931

Unless it's something that gives people an opening to bait or share some image macros and meme posts no they don't. Again self evident.

>>159395941
I would if I could, but I'm rather disappointed you didn't respond to me with a 15min essay this time too

>>159395991
*And nobody gives a shit about what you think.

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A best.

>>159395721
Soon my fellow siscon/lolicon.

>>159390437
>Dont bring up concerts and other shit
heh

>>159384310
>52,017　Granblue Fantasy The Animation
FUCK ABE AND FUCK JAPANESE PEOPLE

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>>159395908
Good scripted originals do get rewarded, they also have to appeal to trends and come out in the right season. A good recent example is Yuuki Yuuna franchise which has become this big multimedia thing. Although you could argue it was only successful because of the exposure form being a multimedia project.


It's unrealistic to expect even one good original series worthy of talking about for a whole year of shows in this sort of industry. They happen every once and awhile are loved and then go away.

>*7,876　Star Mu 2

They deserved selling a lot, Season 2's writing is much more refined than Season 1's; S1 felt a lot like generic idol garbage much of the time, but Season 2 had good episodes.

>>159398148
Yucky tuna has a shit script. People watch it to see their waifu suffer after generic SoL scenes. There is nothing of substence in that series.

Also it's produced by the biggest and most shallow nip jew ever. The one and only Hackahiro. That guy is a talent black hole. A true otaku.

>>159399091
>Missed the shinto nationalist undertones, Imperial Japan parallels, and pro-military thesis

Confirmed for brainlet

>>159399172
That was something forced by the director, not Hackahiro's idea. Besides reaching, it means practically nothing to the story or script.

It's a show made by a jew. You've been had, the show is actually shit.

>>159399487
>The script that parallels and allegories Japan's response the WW2 has nothing to do with said allegory.

Whatever man fun things are fun.

SukaSuka is in the middle of this list. Not bad, this series deserves a lot more, but I'm glad that it's on the list at least.

>>159385772
It was the ony series which I dropped in spring (from 20 which I started).

>>159385963
I want both


>>159386532
LWA is a cgdct series for elitists (which are always criticizing cgdct without watching a single series from this genre). I didn't liked it, felt too Disneyish. Animation was amazing, but character design was awful.


>>159394987
It's on the list, many other great series are NOT (like Tsuki ga Kirei).

>>159399563
>Whatever man fun things are fun.

True. You just have to realize that the friendly people who make your innocent anime about magical transforming girls are actually jewish vampires who are out to make a profit and in fact have no talent themselves and can only exploit trends in the hope of creating a hit.

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I thought Spring was supposed to be filled with good, big budget anime that racks in the sales. What happened? The only show that wasn't objective trash was Uchouten Kazoku.

>>159399883
uchouten kazoku was good but it was by no means the only good show

>>159400594
What else was good?

>>159400641
Tsuki ga Kirei
Eromanga Sensei
Saekano S2

>>159390849
>AIDORU STRONK

Love Live Sunshine S2 will regain its place to be best selling series of 2017

>>159384310
>*9,353　Eromanga Sensei
satanic_propane_man.flaf

>>159402740
>Sexualizing 12 Year Olds, the Anime
>Generic Tsundere show #1170
I'll give you Tsuki ga Kirei.

>>159384310
>**,368　Renai Boukun
Well, that's a shame. I actually ended up really liking it.

Ei Aoki pulled this same exposition bullshit in Fate/Zero yet you are fine with that one and more bother in Re:Creators

>>159403115
Probably because re:creators is actually shit

>>159395062
>>159395656
I am filled with sadness. Bahamut could have been another wacky adventure anime, but nope. Stay in the capital the whole fucking time.

>>159386798
The ending theme was nice, but you could just as well just find it on youtube

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>>159384310
>41,970　Cinderella Girls Gekijou
>*9,353　Eromanga Sensei
What a powergap.

How the fuck does ReCreators have any sales? Nothing fucking happened.

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>>159384310
POMF

>>159403115
If the MC of Fate/Zero was as fucking terrible as the one in Re:Creators this would be a valid point.

>>159384310
>*7,876　Star Mu 2
Nice, I hope we get another season.

>>159403115
Fate/Zero had really strong characters and actually interesting dialogue. Nothing in that show was as bad as Re:Creators episode 5.

>>159394470
So everything can either go to shit as it is currently going, or it can go to shit in a slightly different direction.

>>159403115
Fate/Zero only took 2 episodes for heavy exposition, and they got both out of the way at once with an one hour block.

It's another season and thread that tells us absolutely nothing we didn't already know about the current state of the R2 Disc Media market for at least the past 3 years. Idols, mobile game codes and light novel fanservice does well (so basically anything that didn't actually start as or rely on being animation), everything else kind of flounders. It's funny because I remember when mid level light novel dreck like High School DxD could even pass 10K in it's first week without event tickets or the kind of big promotion a Kadokawa and Aniplex brings with it. Hell I remember straight up garbage like Infinite Stratos pulling 30K. It's almost like Japan has decided the value on this stuff is outright terrible unless it's getting event tickets or some DLC code out of it.

If the Japanese media market didn't have an independent arbitrator to track this stuff I doubt we'd have a topic here let alone a discussion. Way too fucking niche.

>>159386208

Not if they don't have DLC codes packaged in. That's what people are actually buying, it feels like everywhere besides /a/ understands this along with the difference between first volumes and averages. Ditto with iDOLM@STER, the fans bought a concert raffle ticket. If you want to look at how anime actually sells in Japan on it's own look at everything that doesn't have some exclusive mobile game DLC code or concert event ticket.

>>159403946

Where the Japanese market is concerned yes precisely. They've made their choices.

>>159403677

One series has a big time otaku brand name to pull from, the other does not. It's not about any other factor. Someday the out of market pundits will figure it out...some day.

It's pretty unfortunate that to this day the only outfit that seems to be able to get any really good numbers of out a wholly original animation property is still Bandai Visual. Yeah it's sort of shifted from being stuff like Gundam to things like GuP but it really does say something. Like no matter how much money these companies throw at these originals 10K seems eternally out reach with 5K fading pretty fast as a reasonable mark.

I don't get it. Most shows aren't making money but they keep making more. When will anime finally die?

>>159385235
why is she so cute?

>>159386866
>Trigger's flagship anime
>Not KLK/Inferno Cop
Think before posting please

>>159403364
Cinderella was a 10 minute cheap short.

>>159392759
>Tfw aniplex will never fund SamFlam S2
>Re;Creators gets funded instead
IT'S NOT FAIR

>>159384310
>*6,603　Shingeki no Kyojin 2
JUST

>>159405107
That's what happens when you let interest cool for four years, yikes. If you told me back then the SnK S2 would sell under 10k I would have laughed in your face.

>>159384310
>**,721　Clockwork Planet
Why?

Where is Berserk?

>>159406408
Not on sale, it's all a money laundering operation.

>>159405506
As a side effect, the cooling down period has de-memed SnK, and allows me to like it again.

>>159406546
>de-memed
The threads are still pure meme cancer. The only improvement is that it rarely spreads from their containment threads.

>>159404062
>Hell I remember straight up garbage like Infinite Stratos pulling 30K. It's almost like Japan has decided the value on this stuff is outright terrible unless it's getting event tickets or some DLC code out of it.
>If the Japanese media market didn't have an independent arbitrator to track this stuff I doubt we'd have a topic here let alone a discussion. Way too fucking niche.
This pretty much sums up the thread.

>>159384310
>Sin was supposed to drive its studio bankrupt
>it already paid itself
Awesome

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>>159386728

GBF is borderline normalfag tier though. It just happens to have something for everyone, and some decent characters here and there, hence its popularity.

>>159409081
GBF is normalfag stuff, they fucking love the game.

>>159395565
>>159394470
>>159394089
>>159393429
Oh, boy, look who's back.
>I don't even watch anime anymore and barely follow the scene
Then please fuck right back off like you have been for the last while.

>>159391613
I think the problem is nobody wants to buy physical media, it's all streaming now. Not to mention Japanese BDs are $75 for three episodes, of course sales will be low unless it manages to hit the most super fans of anime it can.

The medium isn't devalued, it's just behind the times and is taking an age to get there.

>>159402927
as much as I like sunshine I think they will get the 2nd place you know that osomatufags is airing in the same seaon

>>159412114
Streaming doesn't work for anime. It has to keep relying on BDs and merch.

>>159386532
This. LWA was a mediocre show that people praised for great animation, even though the animation was chock full of QUALITY. I don't see why people thought it was good, especially after the OVAs.

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>>159388545
Normalfags on suicide watch.

>>159406123
It was shit

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>>159393429
>waaaaah why do otaku determine the success of otaku media?!

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>>159395721
It's inevitable, early next year at the latest.

>>159388545
>>Shitgeki no Kyojin 6k
I wonder how badly they fucked it.

No fujoshi pandering minus 20-30k sales.

Putting much into promoting YH but at the same time killing Ymir off like shit in actual manga before first volume of anime would be out equals to killing YH in the process in canon material, so another 3-4k on minus since no yuri fan would ever buy it now.

And what's left is a true normalfag otaku audience buying it.

>>159413421
Anime will literally HAVE to find a way to make streaming work sooner or later, everything is going streaming nowadays. Who even watches regular television anymore under the age of 50?

>>159414115
>Putting much into promoting YH but at the same time killing Ymir off like shit in actual manga before first volume of anime would be out
Wow, what a blunder

>>159389535
Removing a male MC from a harem show where it got some fanbase already and putting a femMC who is not into the harem boy but instead into his haremette and who also get a pretty elf girl too as other choice, I doubt is something people who liked first season or LN pay money for.

And yuri fans won't support a harem LN franchise with their money anyway, even if spin-off is more yuri related where main series isn't sicne Bell play important role in it for Ais and cucks Lefiya constantly.

>>159414139
Unless it goes mainstream there is no chance. Profit from 200 yen streaming service can't be compared to that of BDs.

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>>159389535
>anime removes the male MC
>source material is an eroge where all the girls get cummed inside a million times.

>>159414139
Not really. Otaku are obsessive collectors.

>>159414315
Then the industry is at an impasse, because BDs aren't going to be sustainable in the coming decades.

>>159395721
Hopefully it will cover Vol 9

>>159404062
>It's almost like Japan has decided the value on this stuff is outright terrible unless it's getting event tickets or some DLC code out of it

Well I mean yea 8k yen for 2-3 episodes is retarded. So they jam dumb shit in the box to entice people.
>In before but why dont they make it cheaper?
Because as history has shown it doesn't help

>>159414629
No one buys BDs for the discs. They buy it for the bonuses like posters and shit.

>>159414726
Why are nips so complacent in this pants on head retarded system is my question, even if you shove dumb shit in the box containing a single disc with three episodes, a flimsy piece of paper with my waifu on it and a rubber strap manufactured in China shouldn't suddenly make it worth that fucking much.

>>159384310
**,368　Renai Boukun
Shame the only series I really enjoyed this season

>>159415105
Passion purchase, it's not much different from buying merch when all you get to show for is some cutesy stuff.

>>159393037
Took too long to come out with S2, everyone moved on. Also, the series gets worse as it goes on so people (like me) dropped the manga before the season was even announced.

>>159403115
>Fate/Zero
You already know half of the cast from FSN + there are heroes from legends so you know a little bit about their past, the reason for conflict is a holy grail war and a clash of ideals. In the first cour we already had Kayneth getting obliterated and KUUURU faction summoning their tentacle monster for the finale.

>Re:Creators
Fictional characters who are given 2 sentences of generic backstory, their source material looks more interesting than the anime itself, the reason for conflict is a fictional character coming to life because her creator killed herself because of bullying and now she wants to destroy the world. In the first cour there was only Mamika's death and the grand finale is them sitting and talking and deciding to make an anime.

>>159405506
Even if they did S2 as soon after S1, there wasn't enough material for it anyway.

>>159416572
They already had enough materials two years ago, but they ended up waiting 4 years.

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>>159416404
You missed the parking lot fight. Re:Creators is about escalation and buildup. The characters had no reason to fight and kill each other when they made it in here, almost all of them didn't even intend to kill during combat until episode 7, one actively tried to stop the fighting. Altair didn't even announce her plot until she made an effort to see her own abilities which was way late into the first cour. Every single moment serves the plot. Might be boring, but that's what it is.

>>159416721
I'm just explaining why people aren't as enamored with Re:Creators as they were with Fate/Zero. I know what they are trying to do, but it's failing so far judging by the lack of fan reaction. The only certain success are the character designs, especially Altair's since she gets so much fanart.

It's not leaving enough of an impact on the viewers.

>>159416935
Re:Creators to Fate/Zero is like apples and oranges. Removing the battle royale or a reason to fight for that matter is enough of a change for the plot to have a completely different rhythm. There's supposed to be a last man standing in Zero, in re:c the villain is trying to inflict as much destruction upon the world through having everyone involved, powered up to the max and completely filled with hate and resentment against each other at the same time. I'd go so far as to say it's reversed.

If you just want to see the flashy bits and how it unravels I'd suggest starting from ep.13 and moving on from there, but I guess you need to see if it gets any good-in terms of volume of action and the involvement-first.

>>159384310
>**,368　Renai Boukun
How the fuck did this sell less than Clockwork Planet?

>>159405506
And there were retards that believed S3 was not going to happen due S2 low sales, totally ignoring how well S1 did. Feels good that those retards got BTFO.

>>159417154
>Re:Creators to Fate/Zero is like apples and oranges.
You aren't following the conversation, tell that to this guy >>159403115

>If you just want to see the flashy bits and how it unravels I'd suggest starting from ep.13 and moving on from there, but I guess you need to see if it gets any good-in terms of volume of action and the involvement-first.
No thank you, I watched 8 episodes and saw in the threads that it's going nowhere I won't bother with an anime that isn't entertaining and features poorly handled dialogue.

>>159417247
Everything may rub people the wrong way. I disliked Snk S2 despite enjoying the first season.

I should've guessed you didn't watch the show from how you dumbed down the issue Setsuna had. To me Re:Creators is both entertaining and has well done dialogue that explores a lot of different and interesting concepts.

>>159390262
There was no hype for yoi. Not until several episodes into its run and fujos started to realize these were actual faggots. It had barely any advertising and everyone anticipated it to be a flop.

>>159417371
>I should've guessed you didn't watch the show from how you dumbed down the issue Setsuna had.
>watched the first eight episodes
>didn't watch the show
So how did I dumb down the issue? A teenage girl gets accused of tracing and kills herself because even her best friend told her
>I don't know how to help you, I was never in that situation
Hell, killing herself because she was bullied makes it sound better because it could imply physical bullying or worse problems.

>To me Re:Creators is both entertaining and has well done dialogue that explores a lot of different and interesting concepts.
That's just your opinion, there's no need to get pissy and say I didn't even watch the show because I dropped it out of boredom since that's just my opinion.

>>159384310
I would've talked shit about GBF being #1 here if I didnt start playing it last feb. Now I'm begging for season two so free shit would rain from the heavens weekly again.

>>159417510
You didn't watch the show to make an educated comment about episodes 11 and 12, you dropped it on episode 8, remember? It's not okay to try to mislead others by misrepresenting something you havent even seen.

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>>159417598
And
>suicide because of bullying
is still a fact, there's no misleading. Are you accusing me of not sucking the director's dick and shilling the show like you're doing when you claim it has well written dialogue despite being mediocre even for anime standards? Maybe you just watch too much harem anime or popular shit of the season.

>It's not okay to try to mislead others by misrepresenting something you havent even seen.
Oh no, excuse me for hurting your sensitive little heart.

>>159417770
It's as much as fact that I know Sieg ruins Apoc. despite not seeing it from what I've seen on the threads.

Setsuna didn't commit suicide because she was being bullied.

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The Golden Age of Idol Anime keeps giving and there is nothing you can do to stop this train.

How did Alice to Zouroku do?
It was my personal AOTS maybe even AOTY

>>159419163
Although the first arc was pretty bad the rest was very enjoyable
also SNICKERS

>>159403027
Natsume

>>159403115
Difference is F/Z's writer knew how to handle an ensemble cast while R/C just thought "I want all these cliches in, fuck thinking of giving most of them meaning in the plot". F/Z introduced everyone by ep 2, this took 5+ episodes just on introductions and never stops being exposition. Barely anything has happened.

>>159417598
But he is right.

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>*6,603　Shingeki no Kyojin 2
Is this the biggest sales blunder in anime history?

How do you go from 60k+ to sub-10k?

>>159421491
By selling it exclusively in 300 dollar box sets with only 6 episodes and a load of overpriced trinkets

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With Cygames rolling in dough will we get a Shadowverse anime next?