Describe the personality of Ichigo Kurosaki
>>159346407
>muh friends
there isn't any
>>159346407
Brooding and violent. When's the last time he tried to solve a conflict through words?
Whatever the plot needs
>>159346407
I dunno..stubborn, loyal, martyr complex...something something gotta save muh friends
Ichigo lost his personality around the same time bleach's art did.
>>159346407
boring
Mary Sue
>>159346407
Insecure teenager with a complex because he blames himself for the death of his mom. Gets better.
>>159346952
Is this possibly the greatest delivery in all of anime and manga?
sawdust
>>159346407
I like him. Also glad he married best girl and had a cute OP son with her.
>>159346407
I still prefer him to the retard glutton type of MC
>>159347237
no, but it is one of the moments that shows off how early bleach had real soul compared to the shameless cash grab it became.
>>159346407
Jap punk with a good HEART.
>>159346407
Actual chad
>>159348622
>Cuck
Fuck off
>>159346952
>>159348088
it is so sad
bleach should have remained a comfy ghostbuster show and maybe ventured into soul society at the end
the cancerous dragonballification of it was painful
>>159348717
no you fuck off
aizen should have had orihime gangbanged by all his arrancars
>>159348809
Orihime was for Ichigo only.
>>159346407
You can't describe something which is not even exists.
Early Ichigo was a punk who really only cared about saving what was in front of him. Rukia however forced him to push himself to be a better person, which was what made their early conflicts so fun. He blamed himself for his mother's death and had a few insecurities about it too. He's loyal to a fault, but withdrawn and distant from those around him because he doesn't want them to get hurt.
This changes however going into the Soul Society arc, which is where Bleach starts to really fall apart. It goes from a charming supernatural slice of life series focused on a small group of characters to a full blown battle series focused on a large set of characters. While the arc isn't bad it started the fall. Ichigo was no longer the most marketable kid on the block for one, the Gotei 13 and company were. Bleach's popularity hinged on those characters. They were stylish, unique, fun. Their designs oozed with personalities, as did their fights. Ichigo was never Bleach to a majority of people, the Soul Society was Bleach. Kubo began to struggle to keep Ichigo relevant. Not many Jump main characters struggle to place in the top 5 of their popularity polls. By the third Poll Ichigo was barely hanging on to the number 1 spot. He then fell to number 3 for the reminder of the polls.
The main humans suffered badly. Chad and Ishida were tossed aside in favor of the more popular Renji, Orihime was cut down to a plot device, Tatsuki and the others never got the powers or focus they were originally destined for, and worst of all Kubo was forced into a cycle of trying to recreate the success of the Gotei 13. Every group after feels like a cheap imitation.
Bleach falls apart because through corporate mandates it stopped being the manga Kubo wanted to write. His art gets sloppy, his writing gets sloppy, the care he had early on starts to chip away the deeper you go.
>>159348827
maybe, what if, she got BLACKED by tosen?
muh mom
muh bankai
muh Inoue
>>159348858
More importantly...
ICHIGO WAS MEANT TO BE WITH RUKIA SHE CHANGED HIM AS A PERSON GODDAMIT FUCKING SHUEISHA AND NIPS SHOULD SHOVE THAT DUMB ORANGE BROAD UP THEIR ASSHOLE AAAAAAAAAA
>>159346952
is there a Bleach Done Right : The Manga? this series had so much potential
>>159346407
Condom-ish. Bland, uptight and is all about protecting.
>>159348858
In the last real popularity poll for Bleach, which was the fourth poll, Ishida got 5th place while Renji got 11th.
>>159348960
No. Ichigo was always meant to be with Orihime.
>>159349117
7/10
>>159348860
Bleach summed up in six words
>>159348960
Nah. From day one Hime was Ichigo's girl. Rukia was more popular than her, and more popular than Ichigo even. Hitsugaya ranked number 1, and Rukia ranked number 2 No way Shueisha said "put Ichigo with the least popular girl". If they even cared.
Rukia and Renji, and Ichigo and Orihime were always the clear end goals. It's clearly the intent. Shippers just find a way to delude themselves.
>>159346407
a much worse version of yusuke urameshi
>>159349369
In what world is Orihime the least popular girl? She always did fine in the popularity polls.
Ichiruki happening literally has nothing to do with Rukia being popular. It has to do with the fact that Kubo didn't want them together like he stated that one time in that interview years ago.
>>159349228
eat a dick orinigger, their relationship was basically nonexistent except for 5 minutes in the arrancar arc, he clearly didn't give a fuck about orihime romantically before, and afterwards in the xcution and blood war arcs
until kubo was threatened with cancellation and wrote up some bullshit to allow him to create the premise for a Boruto style future sequel
>>159346407
At the beginning?
A stubborn but loyal and ultimately good-natured curmudgeon.
After SS? Literally nothing, his personality evaporates after that arc, along with the entire plot.
>>159349369
ichigo and rukia still otp, and kubo could have paired them up in all kinds of combinations
>>159349228
Man good for my boy Ishida. He did get killed in the second and the third at least, which was when he started to fall from relevancy. And around where I tapped out honestly. I only kept up in bits and pieces after that.
>>159349369
you're deluded if you think jump/a potential sequel had zero influence over the pairiings
>>159348858
>Ichigo was no longer the most marketable kid on the block for one, the Gotei 13 and company were. Bleach's popularity hinged on those characters. They were stylish, unique, fun. Their designs oozed with personalities, as did their fights. Ichigo was never Bleach to a majority of people, the Soul Society was Bleach.
I wonder why this didn't happen with the Gold Saints when Saint Seiya was running on Jump.
>>159349486
He could've created an Ichiruki child for the Boruto style future sequel so your argument makes no sense desu.
I think that Ichigo had feelings for her, but simply didn't have time to realize them like the standard MC plus there was the fact that Kubo couldn't IH confirm until the last chapter.
>>159349626
Rukia is a dead soul, Ichigo is a living soul. Ichigo would have had to die and go to SS for this to happen.
This is literally why these two shit pairings took place.
>>159346407
He fights for his friends. That's it.
>>159346952
>five ambulances
>for five dudes
This would make sense in America, but nips are tiny, I'm sure they can put more than one person in each ambulance.
>>159349716
Kubo could've pulled some of his classic bullshit to have Ichigo stay in SS in the end and you know it.
Almost a year later and you people are still coming up with conspiracy theories on why Ichiruki didn't happen and it's pathetic desu. Ichihime and Renruki were incredibly obvious and became even more obvious the longer the series went on where Kubo started to write less and less Ichigo/Rukia and would throw you guys a bone with a colorspread to keep you happy.
>>159349837
>started to write less and less Ichigo/Rukia
Pretty sure that had more to do with the fact that he was writing less and less Ichigo at all than anything else.
>>159349837
Kubo needs a human MC and a shingami sub-MC for his Boruto. Both kids fit the mould. He has a ton of future plotlines readymade now.
>hurr I am kid but also a shinigami
>hurr my human shinigami life
>hurr my pure shinigami friend needs to adjust in the human world
>hurr durr I need fight hollows but nevermind I am still a human
>being a living shinigami fucked my soul up, I am secretly also a hollow hurr durr
Besides, why the fuck else would Renji and Rukia have a kid when they have been together for a tiny amount of time by SS standards?
>>159349928
Not really. We had a ton of Ichigo in both the HM and FB arcs. Those interact in the beginning of the HM arc and in the end and only interact when she returns his powers back in the FB arc; hell Kubo doesn't even bother to have Ichigo say bye to Rukia before leaving in SS after retrieving Ginjous body like the anime did then in the last arc, they interacted a total of two times.
I also think he got bored of their relationship since it was fully developed. He would show how strong their bond still was with Rukia kicking Ichigo back into shape and giving him a mentor like speech, but would never develop it to another step.
>>159350060
Bleach is not getting a sequel.
Kubo allowing a movie is a sign he stopped caring. He was very adamant during early Bleach that he would never allow a live action movie to happen.
>>159349369
>Orihime was always intended
>Rukia dropped in popularity later on so obviously she wasn't going to win
I hate all shipperfags equally, but that's some backwards logic you've got there.
>>159349525
fuck these shit pairings, I wanted Shunsui to get either with Lisa or with Nanao (initally wanted Lisa but Nanao's incest angle made it extremely hot)
him and Lisa definitely had something (explicitly mentioned in TURN BACK THE PENDULUM). now the poor fucker lost his eye and is doing a thankless high-stress job for basically nothing while the other captains talk shit about him for not being as good as yamamoto
>>159350060
Kazui and Ichika are obviously the new Death and Strawberry. Their parents passed the torch to them and they'll do the same with their firstborns and so on.
>>159350307
why did he need to do that? the ending would have basically been near-perfect if they all just gathered to watch Chad's boxing match as friends. as a vague ending
there was ZERO need for either pairing to solidify
>>159350444
Because Kubo wanted Ichihime and Renruki to be happily married with kids of their own that would inherit the title. He's stated about three different times since the ending that Kazui and Ichika meeting was his main goal in the end.
>>159350199
I didn't say Rukia dropped in popularity, I said she was more popular than Hime.
That anon suggested Shueshia was the one that made him change it, but Orihime was less popular than Rukia. They wouldn't do that. Rukia constantly took the number 2 slot in character polls, even when Ichigo dropped to number 3.
>>159350512
he's just shifting the goalposts, if that was his main goal why the fuck was he wishy-washy in his earlier interviews and live sessions with fans?
>Kubo-sensei, will we see Ichigo with romantic interest
>I have never really thought about romance and stuff lol
Kubo's greed and shit writing fucked this series up good
>>159350632
Nah, Kubo never said that. He said romance would never be the main focus but would include it here and there and it stayed true to his word.
>>159351062
the session transcripts are available on the bleach wikia
read them and decide for yourself. I won't blame you if you admit you're a ichihime/renruki fag, just don't make it sound lie "I'M JUST BEING REALISTIK LOLZ"
i say this every bleach thread but Kubo's next manga should be about fashion so he can focus on his great character designs without bloating the cast and losing sight of the main characters.
>>159346407
Generic hero with all the toppings.
>>159349038
Closest thing is Yu Yu Hakusho
>>159349038
Yes, it's called Yu Yu Hakusho.
>>159349773
Didn't come here for this. Laughed anyway
>>159351163
I thought you were taking about a different interview(the one where Kubo states romance won't be a focus but he'll add it in the story here and there), my bad. As for the one you posted then Kubo was obviously lying since he was already developing Orihimes feelings by this point, and her feelings for Ichigo were the constant pinch of romance we got throughout the series.
>Tatsuki was the only girl who understood him
>Rukia and Orihime fags still deny this.
>>159346407
Intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor
>>159352477
that is aizen you're describing. ichigo is stupid and dumb as a piece of wood, his asspulls make him seem intelligent
Literally everyone who wasn't a retarded Rukiafag saw Orihime x Ichigo happening.
It was still enjoyable seeing their butthurt after being cancerous for so many years
More interested in who's going to win the Hitsugayabowl since Hinamori has been ignoring him since that one time he stuck his sword deep inside her from behind
>"Please don't get hurt anymore, Kurosaki-kun!"
>"Sorry, Grimmjow, I can't afford to get hurt anymore"
Was there even a chance for Ichiruki after this?
>>159352966
Aizen x Hinamori needs to happen
I want her to go on a rampage and free Aizen, then Aizen stabs her againwith his dick
>>159352966
Yeah someday Isshin will have to introduce is former 3rd seat to his lovely tomboy daughter.
>>159352754
Being glad about an objectively inferior and asspulled ship just further cements your shit taste you know.
>>159353090
Nope. Ichihime was in the big since her confession and some would even say it was in the bag since the pilot.
>>159353465
Ichihime and Renruki are good. Stay assblasted.
Is Bleach the greatest fall from grace in manga history?
>>159353737
Both ships and their developments happened completely offscreen as a mere sidenote. It's as if they live on their own islands completely out of touch with everyone and everything else in the story.
Kubo had the ships and the continuation in mind for a long time, but did nothing to prep it before dropping a final chapter that only made sense in the meta of manga, outside of the actual story.
>>159346407
I think his lack of personality in the later chapters kinda makes since, literally his entire life is fighting and he has all this pressure put on him to save everyone since the Gotei 13 basically becomes useless after SS arc.
>>159349486
>>159349525
>>159353465
>>159351268
He needs to partner up with someone who writes a story and he just has to draw cool shit. Which is why he wanted fo become a Mangaka. To draw cool shit.
>>159353962
Most likely. The Memories in the Rain arc is a wonderful arc and proof that Kubo had talent at one point as a writer.
It's a shame the anime brutally raped that arc. At least the OVA exists.
>>159354211
I think Ichihime had nice development and Ichigo treated her differently than any other character while Renruki had a history together and after reuniting they stayed attached at the hip. Renji and Rukia reminded me of Roy and Riza actually; great duo with history that eventually end up together.
>>159355070
I want to write shonentrash for Kubo to draw. If only I weren't a disgusting American.
>>159355223
Renji's entire initial character arc is "I love Rukia but do I abandon my duty for her?"
Orihime is after Ichigo's dick from the moment she's introduced. It got worse after SS. Orihime's initial arc is mapped out to be "I want to be strong like Ichigo and Tatsuki so I can protect them." but Kubo ditches that early into SS and she just becomes a healslut with boobs.
>>159348960
Dammit, man. I was all forichirukibut this made me laugh.
>>159348858
Still, this is a really good argument.
>>159355223
>Renji and Rukia reminded me of Roy and Riza
Please, don't compare RenRuki with the magnificent that is Roy x Riza.
at the very least, It was fun.
So i'm satisfied.
>>159355223
>Roy and Riza
>eventually end up together
Anon...
>>159349228
>Ishida
His and Aizen's development were the things that hurt me the most because they were the reason that kept me on the ride until the end.It hurts even more with Aizen because I love that man so fucking much.
>>159355409
She isn't after his dick; yes she likes him and eventually falls in love with him, but never once pushes her feelings onto him or tries to become anything more than a close friend. The only time is when she was about to kiss him before heading off to HM, but stops herself because she knows what she's doing is wrong.
She also ever changes so I'm not sure what you're talking about. She managed to protect and save Tatsuki with her abilities and her main goal after that is to be able to do the same with Ichigo and while she does protect him with her shield and heal him after that, she wants to stand on the same battlefield with him and finally gets that opportunity after Ichigo decides to finally count on her and stop worrying so much over her safety. It was refreshing seeing Ichigo who liked to take everything on by himself and sideline Orihime out of concern, rely on her and tagteam a literal God with her.
>>159355495
They are alike but Renji and Rukia have known each other longer and didn't have a separation. Both are constantly attached at the hip and support each other and are physical with each other in ways they aren't with other characters. Despite being separated for 40+years, Rukia had no problem immediately clutching ad crying into Renjis chest after being reunited. There's a certain level of comfort and familiarity both pairings have with each other that they don't with other characters.
>>159355828
Roy and Riza are together in the end, they just can't get married because they're both in the service.
Insecure idealist unable to come to terms with things that are out of his control. Pretty much every character in Bleach has this complex, but Ichigo is the poster child for it. Whatever anon called him a martyr pretty much nailed it. Bleach is about a bunch of narcissists.
Ichigo blamed himself for his mother dying and pretty much spent the whole series carrying the burden of saving everyone around him, and fell into depressions when he couldn't. During the Fullbring training arc, Chad comments that Ichigo's initial mastery of his Fullbring, which is supposed to be his connection to an item he cares about the most, ends up being his Soul Society badge shooting black energy all over his body; Ichigo at this point is "cloaked in power."
>That one guy who keeps insisting that IchiHime and Renruki are great endgame pairings every thread.
He just doesn't stop.
>>159356465
They are. Just get over it already.
>>159356617
>They are.
But they aren't. One, through it's whole run, was one-sided while the other was shallow.
>>159356465
IH is literally in the pilot, the fact that Kubo didn't change Orihime's feelings was a give away
>>159356773
Better to be one-sided than no-sided. By the way I always found Ichiruki to be a pretty shallow and meme pairing since so many of you shippers are like
>muh colorspreads
>muh titles
>muy black and white
>muh fillers
You guys have always given huge importance to shit that literally does not matter.
>>159356920
Ichigo and Rukia actually had proper character interaction. The stuff you greentexted were just bonuses.
>>159356959
they only interacted properly in 1 arc, JUST 1 ARC, and the first one of all things
>>159357022
And still superseded the official couples in character interactions.
>>159356959
What the hell is proper interaction even mean? Anyways after the SS arc, it was the same thing
>ichigo feeling down because of his powers
>rukia shows up
>kicks him in the face/yells at him
>plays mentor and gives him a speech
This literally happens in both the HM and FB arc, but the difference is that they get a bit more interactions in the HM arc since she stays at his house whereas they don't interact after Rukia gives him back his powers in the FB arc. It got boring for me.
>>159357242
IchiHime was mostly just Orihime going "Kurosaki-kun!" and RenRuki was basically nothing.
>>159353090
Remember when he wanted his arm to be cut off so that he could fight evenly with Ulquiorra? You know, Aizen's loyal and probably most powerful Arrancar--the guy that would have (from Ichigo's perspective, at least) delivered Orihime right back to his boss had he won? Ichigo sure cares.
>>159349773
You forget that the ambulances are tiny as well.
>People still find it in themselves to care or have any emotion other than apathy about Bleach
Its dead, buried and forgotten. Let it go.
>>159357415
>>159357309
You're completely diminishing the relationship between Ichihime and Renruki, but I'm not surprised. You IR fans have always downplayed those relationships to bring Ichiruki up.
I had a crush on Retsu when I was a kid
>>159356465
>That one guy who keeps insisting that IchiRuki is a good pairing every thread.
>>159346407
Imagine a sandbox but without sand
>>159357482
I find Bleach's downfall to be fascinating as a wannabe writer, and a general fan of shitty shonen battle manga honestly.
That said I don't grasp why shippingfags are still so upset. Though NaruSasu shippers were, much worse.
>>159360040
Didn't they label Naruto a shitty dad that drank away his troubles and neglected his family after the last chapter?
>>159360106
They sure did. They also went as far to say Hinata and Naruto's relationship came out of no where.
>>159360137
I remember that Narusaku fans also jumped onto the band wagon and started adultery fanart along with fanfic. The butthurt was unreal.
>>159360241
I remember a lot of head canon ending fics too.
>>159346407
MA. MORU.
>>159360355
>MA. MORU.
>not MUH MORU
Missed opportunity anon.
>>159360241
Same thing with Ichiruki fans.
>>159360522
Yea I remember some anon posted the fanart with the bad anatomy in an old thread.
>>159360561
Here it is in all its glory: http://teodoralovesteo.tumblr.com/post/149170032872/even-if-theyre-not-married-with-kids-in-the-last
>>159348859
More like HOLLOWED by Ulquiorra-Kun
>>159346407
twitchy little fuccboi
>>159346407
Asspull
Kubo is a giant hack and now he tried to save face by saying MUH HEALTH MY TENDONS but he can make great
>anekis
>ufufus
>araaras
>shotas
>lolis
>yankee thugs
>badasses full of regret (not ichigo)
fuck kubo ichigo lost all personality and was outstaged by the dozens of new characters kubo kept introducing.
>>159348762
even the Aizen setup had real potential if Ichigo hadn't become such a brooding faggot because of the whole hollow thing.