I'm rewatching this. I can't believe how much I hate

That's a wrong picture, anon

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>>159336684
What do you mean?

>>159336651
Nadeko is best girl though.

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>>159336651
I love Nadeko. She's the best!

>>159336651
But the worst girl did not get the best VA or openings, because she's Monkey

if you dont like nadeko you're gay

>>159336754
>>159336768
>genuinely evil
>abuses her cuteness to make it in life
>probably one of the worst yanderes
I'm judging you based on your taste

>>159336804
>he doesn't like being overpowered by a cute lesbian monkey
Get a load of this normie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXqUme6gOkQ

>>159336835
shit

How is Nadeko worst girl when Crab exists? Also She's a better yandere than bird

>>159336981
>genuinely evil
She was just blinded by brotherly affection that she thought was love to the point that it drove her mad.
>abuses her cuteness to make it in life
But she doesn't. She went out of her eay to make herself not cute, so much so that her school life was suffering for it.
>probably one of the worst yanderes
At least she was committed to the role, unlike bird

>>159337103
how can crab or snake be worst girl when cat exist?

>>159337200
Because Cat became likable when she cut her hair short and got back all her emotions, so she's 3rd worst at most

>>159336651

You're retarded. Nadeko is fine. She's a stupid little girl who got by with her cuteness. There's no reason for her to inspire such ire in people.

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I'm rewatching this.
I can't believe how much I love her. Best girl gets the best cjaracter archetypes, best fanservice scenes and arguably the best design.
Do you like Karen as much as I do?

>>159337668
I absolutely love Karen. But not as much as I love Kanbaru

>>159336651
I'm going to marry her actually

>Karen and Tsukihi say there boyfriends are "Just like Onii-Chan"
>College Araragi tells Kanbaru how much he wants to fuck Karen
>We'll never get the "Crab gets dumped and commits suicide as Araragi fucks his cute little sister" ending

>>159337668
She's a contender for my third favorite girl. Definitely top-tier. I really need to find the time to read Nise.

>>159337668
She is my third favorite girl after vamp and snake.

>>159336651
>Worst girl gets the best VA
>best VA

Not sure what show you're watching if Kana is the best VA in it. Your standards are incredibly low.

>>159337929
They already broke up four times. Had Suruga Monkey not already foreshadowed that it was going to happen then I would be more surprised.

>>159336651
I just finished the entire series up to kizu a few days ago. Agree that snake is worst girl

why would you dislike an interesting character just because she is not tailored according to your waifu taste

>>159337668
>best fanservice scenes
that's not Tsukihi's bath scene

>>159339227
>implying bird bath has shit on toothbrushing

>>159337200
crab is slighty worse than cat tho
crab is the definite worst

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>weird and somewhat unapproachable on the outside
>isn't inviting to talk to at all

>sweetest person on the inside
>amazing once you get to know her
>highly intelligent
>amazing to have a conversation with
>born on the same day as me
>she's basically me except she's not fat and not a total loser

I'm going to marry her guys

>>159340896
>slut
I wish you two the best, anon!

>>159339745
not gonna lie, karen wanting to go 2/3 after getting busted made me diamonds

>>159340986
>slut
Please elaborate as to why she is a slut

>>159341039
not him but she said she only fell for araragi cause he saved her. and when asked if someone better came along if she would leave him for the new guy she said yes.
sounds like a slut to me.

>>159341296
Has she ever left Araragi for someone else though? Or has she ever flashed or did anything with another guy besides him?
He's the only one for her and that's sustained throughout the whole show. Do you think she'll ever take anyone else under the starry sky in the forest? I don't think so anon.
Your simple mind just can't comprehend her.

>>159341442
>Do you think she'll ever take anyone else under the starry sky in the forest?
Uh, yes? It's quite possible, she said it herself. Moreover they she dumped him three times already so it's not like she values this relationship as her only possible one.

i want to fuck a snail

>>159336651
Nadeko's first arc was fucking terrible and made me drop Monogatari at first. Thank god Medusa is so good, but she's an unlikeable little cunt

>>159336651
But Yuka Iguchi is best monogatari VA?

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>>159343883

can we all agree that anyone who hate snake was a fucking uggo in their teenage years so they feel the need to take out all of their pent up jealousy on the perfectly fine and cute sengoku nadeko

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>>159345684
I don't really see how you can hate any monogatari they're all really great just great on different levels.

>>159344585
The thing is that Nadeko Snake was basically a Kanbaru arc, but they cut out 3/4ths of Kanbaru's dialogue in it in the anime.

>>159337929
Karen's basically his wife by Musubi. Fits that role closer than any other character in the cast does anyway.

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She's a terrible selfish person, worse girl, and literally deserves to die.
That's why I love her so so much.

I hate angled necks and upskirt shots of character's nostrils

>>159346865
>Karen's basically his wife by Musubi
>You will never come home to 20 year old Karen Araragi

>>159346865
Crab won his heart
Bat won his soul
Bee won his dick

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>>159336651
>Do you dislike Nadeko as much as I do?
No, I want to fuck her

>>159336651
Nadeko was the jobber for Kaiki.

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On a rewatch Crab was definitely still best girl.

>>159346865
>>159347467
Isn't she 6 feet tall by Musubi or some shit too

>>159349938
Not a crabfag but people try too hard to hate on her to be honest, at worst she's just okay.

>>159350315
I thought that Koyomi pointed he was taller than her before going to college

>>159336651
She's a great character, I know it because I fucking hate her. She's doing her job as a heel.

>>159351505
I think that was confirmed false. He was taller than her in Zokuowari but that's because Karen herself was shorter than usual in it.

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>>159347932
>>159347097
>>159336768
>>159336717
>>159336651


Yo, i read your shitty manga, i dig it

>>159351783
I still don't get how that worked
>he gets swarmed by snakes
>WHY DON'T YOU JUST BE A MANGAKA
>I ADMIT TO BREAKING INTO YOUR ROOM AND READING YOUR SHIT
>IT'S PRETTY BAD BUT YOU PUT EFFORT IN IT
>snakes disperse

>>159347932
Girls don't just lounge around in sex clothes like that

>>159351910
Standard "just do what you want to do, stupid" type shit. It "works" but the way it was done was an anticlimax as far as her own arc goes.

>>159351960
That's a tank top and short shorts. Girls literally do lounge around in exactly that.

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>>159336651
I rewatched the series and ended up liking Sengoku more.

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>>159336651

>disliking snek

>>159351910
Because Nadeko transformed herself into a God because she didn't want to handle life as a human

Kaiki literally give her a reason to be as much an asshole as she wants without needing to give up her humanity

>>159336651
No I hate Cat and Gaen more

Frankly I didn't really understand why people hated snek in-universe, she didn't DO anything. She's barely a character, what's there to even hate? A girl who does what's expected of her and has delusions about love? Shit that's like, 99% of people.

Which is, incidentally, why I hate her. She's incredibly passive and boring to watch, a victim of supernatural bullshit who isn't a 100% innocent pure maiden. So what? Is that supposed to blow my mind? Hell even when she became a god she was only fun to watch because she was interacting with best girl Kaiki.

Nadeko is the one girl who starts of high tier and gets steadily worse the more we see her.

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Snake is CUTE

>>159352628
I felt the exact opposite as she did absolutely nothing in Bake and Nise.

>>159352389
>Kaiki literally give her a reason to be as much an asshole as she wants without needing to give up her humanity
Ths whole thing about her 'needing' someone to tell her to do x felt a bit flat to me when it was established that there were atleast two different Araragis constantly telling her that they'd listen to and help her with any problems she had, it's the same shit but for Nisio pretending that there's a practical difference.

Though she's not supposed to be sympathetic I guess so whatever.

>>159336651
Why are you talking about Hanekawa with Nakedo's name and image?

>>159336651
Nadeko is best grill though. She is the most 3DPG anime girl ever.

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All girls are great

>>159352712
Tsukihi directly tells her to change too, but apparantly went in too hard about it and upset the stupid cunt.

Koyomi had a vague awareness that something was off about Nadeko but just tried the same approach he does with Kanbaru of just being a bro for her to lean on and someone to eventually open up to.

why all the hate for cat ITT?

>>159353200
Because cat is boring and catfags are cancer. Though recently there was one that got a trip and spent an entire day shitposting and ban evading.

>>159352756
This,Except crab
Everyone else>Crab

>>159353200
Because until Tsubasa Tiger she was boring and unlikable. Tsubasa Tiger really progressed her character and made her likable, but I guess most couldn't recover from how bad she was before. That being said, at least she isn't crab.

>>159352712
he broke in medusa, she got to the end of the line, that's how Ougi convinces her to become a god, it was the end of the rope, the thing is Araragi went from a stupid perspective that didn't really help her and couldn't since she used him as a figure to further accept being a non person

>>159336981
Nadeko was my favorite girl for exactly those reasons, although I wouldn't call her best.

>>159353442
>Tsubasa Tiger really progressed her character and made her likable
I was hoping it would, but barely anything changed. She's only interesting when Ougi is bullying her.

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>>159336651
I don't like Snake but Cat and Crab are easily worst. Cat lost all her value when she cut her hair and stopped wearing glasses, I don't think I even have to explain why Crab is shit.

>best VA

Kill yourself ketchup-eater

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I think we spend too much time debating which girl is best, my dudes. Let's just decide for ourselves, to each her own, which girl is best. For me it's Bat, the true princess of this show.

>>159353200
I liked Cat in Kizu

Outside of that I hate the way she looks, I hate the way she's constantly consulted and respected despite contributing nothing beyond banal platitudes, I hate the way she acts like such a martyr instead of doing anything, I hate the way she takes up screen time from other, more active characters.

Plus the shit nip purity slut angle makes me roll my eyes and gnash my teeth. Go back to your role as 'big boobie glasses class rep' from other shitty harem anime, christ

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>>159353827
Fine taste, fine taste indeed, but alternatively, Bee

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Would you eat Uncle Kaiki's Meat?

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>>159354035
Maybe, is it really meat? or has he deluded himself and I that it is when it isn't?

>>159353474
Araragi's perspective wasn't stupid, Nadeko was fucking nuts beyond normal reasoning (it's exactly why Nadeko Medusa was as surprising as it was even) You can argue that he handled the situation that resulted from it stupidly (and even then it's arguable because someone had to do something about Godeko) but you can't possibly blame him over Nadeko for the mindset she had in the first place.

>>159354035
Not if I wasn't Kanbaru Suruga. While I'm sure the meat is fine, I know he'll just laugh and make me pay for it with his conman ways.

The lesson for you today is not to trust adults.

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>>159354035
I had a dream about fucking Kaiki's severed, but living head last night and resting with his deadpan face in my armpit afterwards

It really made me think

>>159354064
what i mean is, Araragi didn't realise that he was part of the problem and that was actively making the situation worse

>>159354234
Said problem was inherantly ridiculous. I don't think I'm exagerrating when I'm saying that her entire problem was her acting incredibly irrational over the pettiest shit. It's why the guy who figured her issue out (after needing to do a full-on covert investigation into her even) was the other character in this series who's entire backstory is him being irrational over something petty. Araragi does a lot of dumb shit but I'm not seeing how he can be called stupid for not realising what was wrong with Nadeko. None of the viewers/readers saw it coming either.

>>159354472
well apart from her lusting over his dick, her sister implying it, she freaking out and being completely out of character when he asked about the closet

but honestly if one should be mad at Ararararagi is Math, holy fuck how dense can you be

>>159352086
Hell no. Nadeko ends up with the most satisfying arc of anyone.

>>159354521
>holy fuck how dense can you be
You tell me anon, did you see Nadeko's backstory coming from what you saw of Nadeko from Nadeko Snake & Karen Bee? That she was a constantly lying sociopath who intentionally sought out someone like Koyomi to stave off attention from others so that she could continue living the cowardly way she was accustomed to?

Like I said, Araragi does a lot of dumb shit. He's not an idiot for not realising what was wrong with Nadeko though, it's massive hindsight bias to argue otherwise.

>>159354765
>You tell me anon, did you see Nadeko's backstory coming from what you saw of Nadeko from Nadeko Snake & Karen Bee? That she was a constantly lying sociopath who intentionally sought out someone like Koyomi to stave off attention from others so that she could continue living the cowardly way she was accustomed to?


if you come from a background of what you should expect from cute anime girls to act no

but if you compare her with all the other girls in the show she is a freak

>>159354765
seriously I still don't get what the point of this was
>I was secretly a psycho-bitch all along!

Wow, stunning character right there

>>159354992
it's the way she found to live her life, same thing with Cat, they are fucked in the head


maybe that's why rrrrg chose Crab, she is a mad bitch but the most normal of them all

>>159354658
Not at all, it's a shittier version of Kanbaru's and I'm not even a Monkeyfag. Take Bake Kanbaru, melodramatize the part where she was a psychotic petty asshole, and then have her never show up again after the end of Suruga Monkey. That's Nadeko. It was entertaining all in all but how could you think that it was the most satisfying arc of anyone, she fucks off after someone else clears the first hurdle of something resembling a character arc for her.

>best VA

DUDE GENERICALLY CUTE VOICE LMAO

>>159354521
I don't really blame him for not seeing through Math's convoluted plan either honestly. He assumed that the house they were meeting up at was some abandoned building they were using as a summer hideout and not her actual house, and since she refused to talk to him about anything other than math he couldn't confirm anything about her in general. She herself got lost in the escapism she found through studying maths with shotararagi too which probably didn't do her any favors.
and no I'm not blaming her either, her reasons for what she did were understandable enough. From his perspective what he saw and then concluded was understandable, that's all. By the time he realised otherwise it was too late for him to do anything about it.

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>>159356017
It wasn't as tricky as the anime made it seem like. It wasn't just a broken window. It was a house with actual people living there, and even if Sodachi picked times to avoid meeting with her parents, stuff would frequently change position and show other signs of people being there, both on the way to her room and in the room she lived in itself.

>>159356426
From Araragi's own description of the place it didn't look like some lived-in house, that's all I'm saying. He had little to go on about Sodachi because she herself said not to talk to her about anything other than math.

You're overblowing how much thought Sodachi put into the plan too, she was just a kid herself here. She wanted Araragi to notice her circumstances, but didn't want to betray her parents so she made an effort to avoid revealing anything pointing to those circumstances. She admits that herself.

>>159336651
Nadeko is cute. I'd probably be okay with drinking her piss the most out of all the Monogataris.

>>159356426
>>159356849

actually i have an explanation for that, abandoned houses in japan don't get ransacked and filled with hobos, they just stay the same way and deteriorate away, i watched a video of some guys that do urban sightseeing of abandoned places in japan and some of the houses (abandoned for 5+ years) looked like they just were dirty and messy (except for the ones hit by the elements or water)


it doesn't help if shaft needs to also add their grandiloquent artstyle to it

>>159356999
I mean, they're kids so neither of them should be thinking of stuff like that I think. In part because it's so removed from what Araragi's idea of a lived-in house would like maybe (which Shaft overexagerrates too, though at points they lampshade that what they do with his house makes no sense atleast, I guess), Sodachi's house didn't register to him as being Sodachi's own house. Sodachi berates him a lot over this but that's part of the general way she views him now and she does admit that she did everything she could to avoiding feeling like she was condemning her parents too.

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>>159356849
Well, her age is tangential to the amount of thought she put. But being a kid would obviously make it harder to come out with an actual failproof idea. Since her and Araragi's homes were so blatantly different in her perspective, she probably thought it would be obvious for him as well if he saw both. She couldn't know that her entire situation was something unimaginable for someone like Araragi in a way that he would rationalize it as something other than a home.

>>159355170
Except Nadeko's arc was nothing like that. If you think Nadeko's story is actually about jealousy, you understood absolutely nothing about it. Also she comes back plenty after Koi, you're just an animefag.

>>159357610
No, he's not wrong about the Kanbaru comparison. "Jealousy" isn't the point of comparison, it was that they were both murderous oddity monsters stemming from unsympathetically petty shit. Koyomi treats them both moreorless the same, one gets better over the time and the other gets worse.

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>>159354521
How are you supposed to hate this?
Also those two are the secret OTP honestly

>>159358198
That's still a sweeping generalization to the point of inaccuracy. Nadeko's problem was about being spoiled to the point of becoming an ineffectual, passive passenger in her own life and the ways in which that made her a not-great person; Kanbaru is basically the opposite of that.

The reason Koyomi was bad for Nadeko is because she was dependent on him and he never pushed or challenged her in any way. Kanbaru didn't have problems being around Koyomi because her problems are nothing like Nadeko's.

>>159336981
implying girls dont do it
stop thinking its unfair when their life is easy mode

>>159359186
It's not a sweeping generalization to the point of inaccuracy, they were both murderous oddity monsters stemming from unsympathetically petty shit. They were both moreorless treated the same by Koyomi. From there they converge in development but the parallel is there so no shit people will compare and contrast them.

Kanbaru was dependant on Koyomi too, she gets her own arc about getting over that even.

>>159359555
>they were both murderous oddity monsters stemming from unsympathetically petty shit
But that's literally the only point they have in common. You can't make a comparison between how their arcs progressed because their characters are nothing alike.

Also, even if you disagree about them not being similar, your claim about parallels still falls apart because Nadeko's petty oddity murder happened after the time she spent with Koyomi, not before it like with Kanbaru. Nadeko's development after her dip into villainy is completely independent of how Koyomi "treats her" because they never see each other again after that.

>>159336651
>gets the best VA
I'm surprised more of the thread isn't people getting triggered by this. Dunno if you guys have matured to the point of not caring or if you've just gotten soft.

>>159359813
I'd cum inside HanaKana

>>159359813
Why would that trigger me? She's pretty good.
Don't know about "best" but i don't fanboy VAs.

>>159345798
Agreed. But I don't find Hanekawa that great to be honest.

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>>159359813
I like mad HanaKana, not generic kawaii HanaKana.

I couldn't agree more, OP.

>>159336651
Fuck you, OP; Nadeko is an angel.

>>159359813
I thought we'd moved past the point of meme hating HanaKana for getting pigeonholed.

>>159353878

If anything, she is the character that does the most. She is consulted because she gives good advice, Araragi has said before she is quite the popular class rep because she helps people.

She is so helpful, the characters in the commentaries call her Basa-nee as an unironic nickname.

Without her, Araragi would have killed himself for no reason at the end of Owari, just wait until you see it.

>>159361407
He wouldn't have died for no reason, he was standing up for himself for once.

>>159361453

Okay, it wasn't no reason, it would be a stupid reason, he knows how the Darkness works, he was basically doing it the wrong way. Had Cat not literally gone around the planet for him, he would have died with nothing to show for it, Shinobu would have flipped the fuck out despite what she says, Hitagi would have done something drastic, and shit would have gone to hell in a handbasket.

I can understand taking your death with grace, but he completely just disregards how bad shit would get if he just up and died.

Hanekawa deserved to give that "I win" to Ougi. For the second time.

>>159360283
Do you struggle with simple tasks? I have a feeling that you do.

I kept seeing people say that Nadeko becomes shit, so I was expecting to hate her too. Turns out she actually became one of my favorites. But, /a/ also said that cat would get better. SO I know not to trust them.

post more snake

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>>159361804
Cat is good when she's off screen.

And I don't mean that to be a mean joke, her not going to college, traveling the world looking of Oshino and all that, is by far the most interesting part of her development. And I like the stripe hair, which she almost only never wears on screen.

>>159361860

>>159361716
>but he completely just disregards how bad shit would get if he just up and died.
I mean, yes, that's kind of the point. He disregarded everyone else and did something completely selfish for once.

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>>159361860

>>159354035
one condition loose the 'Rolf Harris" beard and I will think about it.
>>159353634
There was a time in Carole Ann Ford's career that she'd be perfect casting for that part, as she was a trained dancer, and O there moves very much like a dance all the time.

>>159336651
>Worst girl gets the best VA
Well Chiwa Saito is the best, but Crab is also the best, so I don't see your point.

>>159362868

I think the more sticking point is that he never really doesn't do selfish things. Let's review:

Not letting Shinobu become the stabilizing god for the region despite nothing holding him back from doing so and staying friends? Yup, very selfish, good thing Hachikuji ended up being a good substitute or we'd have a real problem.

Telling Hanekawa to be his guiding light and suffer through her facade forever? He totally did.

Created an oddity out of pettiness about what he thinks should be the right thing to do with all the things he's done, and almost dies with it, with no real plan.

Doesn't bother to take his own advice to better communicate about his problems with his girlfriend, and almost dies by crazy middle schooler.

Coinciding with point 1, he has said repeatedly that he can't envision a future without Shinobu, yet plans to somehow marry his girlfriend despite not correcting the fact he will still throw himself into issues with oddities, and if something should happen to Shinobu during these crazy events, basically vowing to pretty much end his own life.

All Owari proved is that the girls were the warm up, fixing Araragi's warped sense of self and responsibility will be the real test, and we could have another ten volumes just on that.

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1 week and it wiil be over. No more Kizu.

>>159341780
To be fair, every time they split up was because Araragi being an idiot. The first was because of Oikura, the second I believe was over some trivial bullshit and the third was when Hitagi left for America.

>>159366005
Araragi wasn't an idiot on his own. Crab was being retarded right along with him.

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>>159341780
> it's not like she values this relationship as her only possible one.
She returned from abroad to their hometown just to be with him. She values him more than anything. Imagine how she felt when he lied to her about Sodachi. Please stop bullshitting.

>>159366186
If they were actually talking about and agreeing on their plans the whole time then that's touching. Just breaking into his house one day isn't. Their relationship is still on thin ice.

>>159366285
You are trying too hard. He had plans to get her back and marry her, she just did it faster. Araragi thought about her all his free time and never doubted his feelings toward her.

Why crab gets so much hate? I mean she isn't as bad as math.

>>159366501
In what world is being annoyed by a psycho ex breaking into your house "trying too hard" you shipper fuck?

>>159366285

Well let's be honest, he was cooking up what would probably be some half baked plan to them back together, never directly just talking to Hitagi.

He says he doesn't want to do the whole "break up to make up before breaking up again" round-robin, but his utter lack of communication skills is almost destined to result in a messy divorce if they even do get married.

>>159366572
I think he was happy to see her.

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>>159366547
Math is the top cutest and top huggable. And she naturally doesn't get much hate since no one cares about characters introduced too late.

>>159366743
>and she naturally doesn't get much hate since no one cares about characters introduced too late
I think this is the main reason crab gets so much hate. Also probably because she's top dom and doesn't give a shit about showing it.

>>159366589
Not even Monogatari is safe from the dreaded Japanese misunderstanding.

>>159366589
The thing is, it goes both ways. Araragi isn't the only one with shitty communication skills. He isn't the only one taking things from 0 to breakup faster than they need to. He may claim things are his fault out of guilt, but crab shares just as much of the blame.

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Nisio probably wanted to show us how strong their love is but haters can see only negative sides.

>>159367204
>Koyomi Araragi, now a first year university student
oh
well for one thing he broke up with crab about a million times in uni so she isn't there (hopefully)

>>159367204
Yeah, just like how everything was jim dandy with Togame as she and Shichika just ignored all the red flags in Katanagatari.

>>159367284
Wow so much hate

>>159366743
Math is only good when being bullied by Crab.

>>159367287
Araragi will never allow Hitagi to die. He would rather ask Shinobu to turn her.

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>>159367284
Since Nisio likes Sodachi I hope it's during the time she lives there, and hopefully she interacts with the fire sisters as well. She needs to interact with more of the cast.
>>159367423
Tsunbro math is pretty good, as is all math

>>159367472
I'm not drawing parallels to say she's gonna die. I'm drawing parallels to there being massive "hints" that there is something very wrong with their relationship and they probably hold weight despite their attempts to sweep them under the rug. I doubt Senjougahara is gonna stab him in the back, but something is very wrong.

>>159367706
What exactly is wrong? They love each other no matter what.
Maybe Musubi is the real end and we will never see anything beyond it.

>>159367472
>He would rather ask Shinobu to turn her.
He would never do such a thing, since it may either bring suffering to her or mess up whatever plans he has with Bat.

>>159367472
No he wouldn't. She would die and one of the following would happen
>double suicide with shinobu
>gets over it and falls in love with any one of the other girls who are infinitely better than crab

>>159367868
He can become full vampire again and heal her with his blood at least. I doubt that he would think very rationally.

>>159367956
Hate is one thing but he really loves her.

>>159367832
The part where they break up constantly is what's wrong. So is the part where they've gone behind each other's backs and broken each other's trust is wrong. The part where she and Shinobu refuse to speak to each other is wrong. Just getting back together after the third time isn't enough to make for a convincing happily ever after, because it doesn't come with any evidence that they've learned enough to stop it from happening again. The relationship isn't dead. They both obviously want to make it work, but they aren't actually confronting any of the issues they have. As long as they don't do that, the relationship is going to be in imminent danger of falling apart.

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Will they release a 3 part dvd release or?

>>159368111
This, actually. It's like they didn't learn from their talk from before the fight with Seishirou when Ragi tried to understand what it is to prove yourself worthy of love. Hitagi already said that she's trying hard to keep their relationship stable.

>>159368111
They don't have any issues. Circumstances were against them but they managed to solve the problem.

>>159368300
If you can't see their glaring issues, then you deserve the title of blind shipperfag, and you're part of why people hate crabfags and shit on her constantly.

She's the worst "main" girl with the best development. As in, she's total shit but her character changes a lot, while most other characters stay mostly the same sans Bat.

For my money, Gaen is still worst. She started shitty and remained so. And her smug attitude drives me apeshit

>>159368323
Name their one issue.

>>159368323
> characters started going out in Bake Ep5
> shipper
What

>>159368408
Maybe, if you looked 4 posts up from the one you replied to, you'd find your answer.

>>159366589
>Well let's be honest, he was cooking up what would probably be some half baked plan to them back together, never directly just talking to Hitagi.
He was learning the language and not shutting the fuck up the entire LN about intending to go over there and bring her back + he was still busy working on cases the entire time. You guys have 2 of the shortest chapters translated and that's it, don't be so quick to judge him.

Maybe it's because he's the MC but you guys too readily call him out on his stupid shit to the point where you start reaching while being too reluctant to shit talk the other girls - Araragi's a hotheaded idiot and Gahara's his cowardly enabler who doesn't do anything about it.

>>159368367
>while most other characters stay mostly the same
Only girls who change less than Nadeko are probably Mayoi, Yotsugi and Gaen. Kanbaru's probably had the most 'complete' arc out of anyone, to the point where I don't think she'll be showing up much anymore even. She's fine as a character but you guys downplay the rest of the cast when you talk about how amazing her
>was a cunt -> someone told her what to do instead -> isn't a cunt anymore
arc is.

>>159369312
>Kanbaru's probably had the most 'complete' arc out of anyone
If Shinobu ever finishes her character arc, I think she'll displace Kanbaru, but until then you're probably right.

>>159369312
>Kanbaru's probably had the most 'complete' arc out of anyone,

Kanbaru seemed like she would have more oddity stuff, then Nisio changed his mind just because.

For completeness, isn't that Hanekawa? She's free as a bird, travelint, making big splashes all over the planet, and just doing what she always wanted.

It's just that since her true self was always internally odd anyway, she can be relevant in the story as well. Only thing stopping it is Nisio being scared he made her too resourceful. Like a character you intentionally hold back because they have too much presence.

>>159369775
Hanekawa still seems like she's hung up on Araragi and is still pissing people off because she gets random autism attacks where she can't realize obvious shit about how society works.

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Why is Bat so shallow? Seriously, I thought Kizu was going to make her into this amazing character going by what her fans think of her, but... really nothing's happened. What's there to like outside of her being cute and slightly pathetic?

>>159369978
That's the point. She was alone for so long and acted independently that she is just that, shallow and kind of pathetic. She expects everything to be done for her out of a sense of personal grandeur until she's bound to Koyomi and put in her place. Her entire character development is about her slowly realizing how pathetic she is and becoming more open and synpathetic to Koyomi. You can see this in how she shifts from saying that "She must do this because she is a slave" to "She wants to do this of her own volition", even things like her being jealous of Doll when she kissed Araragi are a result of this development. She's forming the most personal and complex bond she's ever had up to this point and it's only reasonable that she would act as such

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>>159370248
So she doesn't act like one, but actually is a child?

Is anybody in this show not a sheltered chuuni? Dramaturgy maybe? Seriously, everyone is so emotionally useless...

>>159370424
She was just some princess until she got VAMPED, and then she just fucked off amd stopped messing with humans.
On a sidenote
>Monogatari spinoff staring Dramaturgy, Episode and Guillotinecutter going around hunting oddities never

>>159370248
>put in her place
You phrase it so derisively. Araragi gave her the chance to be happy and she had to completely change her world view in order to seize that chance. Just humbling her wouldn't do shit. She needed something to work for.

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>>159370463
God, why can't he introduce some regular male characters at least? Like a rival or something. It's not like it didn't work well enough in Medaka and Katanagatari. But Monogatari has like 0 action despite being so large and getting so much money. Like fuck. I'm tired of 4 episode arcs of girls giving one single step into getting better only for interesting shit to happen in the background. Thank God I never got into reading this shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaJDKaQzreM
I like Kanbaru.
She has good taste.

>>159370650
Monogatari was never about action. There will never be constant action in the story. Most of us come for the character interactions and conversations. There's a lot of other works where you can find high budget action scenes.

>>159370650
Momogotari is a light novel decustruction of tropes, so like every other LN, it's pretentious bullshit. The series focuses completely on its dialog, anything else is just extra.

>>159370854
Momogatari? Peachstory? That sounds kinda interesting.

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>>159370800
>>159370854
I don't even mean literal action. My problem's there's no real tension. Sodachi and Nadeko going batshit was interesting, but inbetween that there's tens of episodes where nothing really happens. Even if it's dialog focused that's not an excuse, that's never been a problem in theater. Plus the world feels so small. You'd think you'd have a cornucopia of characters where Nisio explores dialog and quirkiness but instead you get so many repeated gags. I know the show is mostly from Araragi's perspective, but that doesn't really make it better, despite it being realistic for him to gravitate around the same five annoying people.

>>159371050
There's tension. Just not physical threat tension. If you can't see that then you really should look for a different series.

>>159371050
You should probably stop reading/watching if the style bothers you so much, there's nothing wrong with that, especially now that the rest of the novels after Owarimonogatari are just slice of life and even more quirky banter. You'll end up hating it.

>>159371050
You might enjoy off-season though. Three books with barely any Araragi, like Sodachi rampaging in her new school or Nadeko fighting clones of herself. It shows them in a new perspective, their own.

>>159371154
>Just not physical threat tension.
Did you skim through my post? When I was talking about Nadeko I didn't mean her becoming a goddess.

>If you can't see that then you really should look for a different series.
It's too late for that.

>>159371183
I doesn't bother me *that* much, mostly I just zone out. I just feel the show could be way better. Most of Bake was fantastic, and Kizu too, but after that it feels very meandering.

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>>159337668
Karen is my favourite along with Shinobu and Tsukihi, the KitaEri/Yukachi double act works very well.

>you will never rest your head on Karen's toned thighs

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>>159371600
>ywn lick Tskihi's au naturel soles

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Marry Nadeko
Fuck Kanbaru
Kill Senjougahara

>>159371662
>You will never repeatedly pierce Tsukihi's regenerating hymen

>>159371996
It probably wouldn't regenerate if she accepts the idea that she lost her virginity. Monogatari magic runs on belief after all.

>>159371953
>Not marrying Kanbaru

You're an idiot.

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>>159371953
Kill Nadeko
Kill Nadeko
Kill Nadeko
Kill Nadeko
Kill Nadeko

I don't get how anyone could hate Snek. As a person she's terrible sure but as a character she's an entertaining bundle of pride, self loathing and batshit crazy. Everything from her mental instability to her beating the shit out of Araragi to her getting TOLD by Bat and Tsuhiki was great.
That said I tried the Otori novel and couldn't stand her as a narrator so I dropped it before it ruined my image of her episodes. She's dumb as bricks.

>>159372270
>as a person she's terrible
well you answered it yourself. some people dont enjoy seeing horrible people. you yourself couldnt stand her as a narrator, is it so outlandish for other people to hate her?

the only one i hate

>>159372270
You just answered your own question. I hate her as a person. I hope she chokes on some manga publisher's cum. I do think she's a great character but that won't keep me from hating her.

this is the best girl order

bat
vamp
shinobu
kiss-shot

with dyelon getting special mention

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>>159372330
>snek sluts her way into manga stardom
why isn't this a thing yet

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>imblying you wouldn't a snek

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>>159372531
I'd absolutely hatefuck her. She's got a lustful little body that deserves to be fucked roughly without any love.

>>159372305
I couldn't stand her narration because while her verbal ticks and referencing herself in 3rd person is fine in moderation(a few episodes), it's really hard to bare in novel format. It had nothing to do with her being bad as a character. Even when I say she's dumb as bricks it's mostly her sounding dumb.

>>159372330
That's the thing, for me if a character is good and adds to the show they're in there's no way I could hate them. If you think snek is a good character you clearly see both the good and bad in her, and I don't get how you could hate her at that point.

>>159372702
She's doing her job as a heel so it's a good thing that I hate her.

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>>159371953
Marry Nadeko
Fuck Nadeko on your wedding night
Kill Nadeko so your love can continue forever

Why is araragi such a fucking slut?

>>159374195
He is surrounded by hot girls asking for his dick with varying degrees of seriousness.

>>159337668
karen is best/2nd best with kanbaru for me

genki, fit tomboys are the best.

>>159369775
Hanekawa is still holding out on actually winning the araragi bowl, somehow.

>>159377023
She'll win in the end.

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>>159373191
can I do a mixture of the 3 at once?

>>159377023

I don't think she is entirely, it's just that partly Nisio is trolling with the relationship.

Her saying no one else but Araragi can touch her breasts was something she thought about when she was about to be ripped apart. Part of Tsubasa Sleeping was her going on this journey to sort out her feelings, so that is normal. She firmly supports Gahara and Araragi's relationship, that much is fact.

Besides, she does so much other good with non-profit organizations that they end up calling her a modern day Joan D'Arc, a revolutionary, so she has many goals outside of Araragi.

I can't wait until she amasses a team of her own, she already seems to be, since she asked Araragi to join it. Maybe this would be the chance for Nisio to find her a good guy/girl to be her partner, to have a place to "rest her wings" if you'll forgive the pun. A person to be her brakes so she knows when to rest.

>>159370650
>God, why can't he introduce some regular male characters at least? Like a rival or something.
What do you call Shinobu Mail?

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>Dead is best.
>Enough said.

>>159381490

You call that inconsequential, Seishirou came in, started shit, but didn't do much other than serve as a vehicle for strengthening Araragi and Shinobu's relationship and die quickly. Which is ultimately bad for two reasons, one, he has a girlfriend already and we are supposed to assume he's faithful. The fact that chronologically he rejects another girl right after kind of makes things seem rather fishy.

Like, you're already basically cheating, why act like you are monogamous now. The fact that he asked her to stay in his room right after the rejection was also in poor taste even as a joke, glad she flat out turned that down.

So no, there haven't been any serious rivalries yet, and Nisio should include one at least. Or better yet, just make a serious romantic relationship in general with one of the girls that has nothing to do with Araragi please.

>>159336651
I love nadeko

>>159379629
>you will never murderfuck snake in a wedding dress

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>>159336651
You're telling me that you hate the character who is definitely responsible for the best arks in a character driven series. Hating her is pretty ignorant if you admit that these arks are the best.

>>159384631
Those arcs aren't the best though. Most of Bake (except the fucking Nadeko arc coincidentally), Tsubasa Tiger, all the Ougi/Sodachi arcs in Owari, and Kizu in general were better. Bunch of other arcs are about as good as Nadeko's parts of ss too.
And that's just talking about the anime.

>>159385330
If that's what you think, it's fine by me. I wouldn't agree, though.
All I'm saying is that if OP admits that her arks are the best, it would be hypocritical to deny the strengths of her character.

>>159385330
Your taste is baffling to me.

>>159385516
Anon it's "Arc", an "Ark" is the thing Noah built

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>>159385670
Nah, I did it on purpose, because of religious symbolism.

>>159385330
Would you consider Koi as Nadeko's arc? If so then it is 100% the best arc in the entire series.

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>>159385786
I love you Nadeko-sama!

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Where the fuck are my fellow cat posters? She is best girl both in character and body.
KILL ALL SNAKES

>>159385891
Nadeko might have made Koi possible, but Kaiki is what made it good. In fact, the scenes with Nadeko were all the worst parts.

>>159368164
next week bro

No, I love her

>>159387723
Kaiki was only good back when he was a two-bit conman though. Nothing wrong with fleshing characters out but his backstory in Hana (which came out before Koi did LN-wise) made him as unsympathetically pathetic as Nadeko was except unlike Nadeko Nisio actually wants you to feel sympathy for him somehow.

I'm not a massive Nadekofag (I think she fulfills her purpose within the story well enough) but she absolutely was the most interesting part of that story.

>>159389049
I mean it works in the Nadeko scenario because it was a sociopath liar who runs away from everything saving another sociopath liar who runs away from everything. Hana laid it on a bit thick maybe but Hana was like that with everything in it, atleast the anime was anyway.

SHould I watch Bakemono? Seemed boring to me last time I tried and the artstyle is horrible

>>159391029
No don't watch it, I don't want you in these threads.

>>159391029
Don't.