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Can someone explain this page? I thought the King only has one

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Can someone explain this page? I thought the King only has one child and his first time was with her or am I speedreading?
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>>159239645
He has over 9000 wifes or something, we just don't see them in the manga.
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>>159239645
He had a son soon before with another wife. You are speedreading.
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Being the king he has fucked hundreds of ladies, but kingdom is to qin shorta like the romance of the three kingdoms is to shu, wanking and praise with historical innacuracies

But unlike the wanking of shu I wouldn't like Kingdom any other way
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>>159240252
No he's not. We didn't see it in the fucking manga. Sei was only fucking Kou for all we knew, we never saw any other girl let alone a son. It's only mentioned and that's why it causes confusion.

>>159239738
Historyfags are the worst.
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>>159241546
Yes it is you fucking retard, it's said several times that different girls from the royal HAREM go to visit him on different days.

Kou herself says this, but then he starts calling her more because he likes talking to her
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>>159241546
>It's only mentioned and that's why it causes confusion
Why does it causes confusion if it's mentioned?
Characters from the manga on numerous occasions during the siege have talked about Hei's heir and how he safely escaped before the attack on Hei's harem.
>Sei was only fucking Kou for all we knew
What the fuck, do you know how harems work?
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>>159241921
The why was Shobunkun so surprised when the King's daughter was born and the King so embarrassed about them knowing he had sex? If he banged another girl before and got her pregnant, that shouldn't be news. Actually, the son being born should be news because that's technically the next king and the daughter is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
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>>159242243
This.

Not to mention it's out of character for manga Sei to be fucking with other girls.
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>>159244283
>out of character for a literal King to have concubines
Get a fucking grip. This was the norm back then, and Sei definitely has more than one; it's just that we don't ever see them because they don't matter since Kou is the love interest and will most likely become his future Queen when the time comes.
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>>159244441
Then it's shit writing to present Rei as his first child in both Shin and Shoubonkun's eyes and then suddenly pretend he had one before.
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>>159244634
I guess Hara finally realized that Sei not having a harem was completely unrealistic for this time and setting.
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>>159245026
That's not the point though. He could have easily shown Sei bang some other girls and making more children. The issue is that the crown prince didn't exist when Rei was born, but then suddenly existed all along.
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>>159245160
I didn't have an issue with it.
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>>159245256
That's like what this entire thread is about.
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>>159245160
The child was born in an omake
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>>159245306
and the thread is dead. sei having a son was a non-issue since ive never seen anyone complain
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>>159246204
Reread the OP question and then reflect on what this thread is about. You apparently have no reading comprehension.
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Okay faggots. Enough of this shit, the chapter is out. This is now a chapter discussion thread.

http://sensescans.com/reader/read/kingdom/en/48/523/page/1
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>>159245026
In that same vein there are always shoujo manga where the heroine is a concubine, among other concubines, but the emperor is celibate and monogamous only to her (sometimes the heroine even gets a reverse harem inside the story).
This doesn't have much to do with the thread but it still pisses me off.
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Hui or Ten?
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>>159239645
In the chapter that grandchild is born, they mention in a side note that Sei had another child born slightly before that one. The woman who bore him that child and the child itself never show up in the manga (or at least haven't so far).
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Do you think when Houken reappears, Shin will slay him once and for all? Would be nice if he became a general like that.
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>>159246372
You only got a handful of replies in thread and it's because most Kingdom readers on /a/ don't think Sei having a child with another woman is odd or "out of character" since concubines and harems were the norm back then and Sei will definitely keep said concubines even after marrying. It would've been more weird if he didn't have any despite being a king.

I'm pretty sure Sei even tells Kou that other women visit his room.
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>>159248382
>ancientl mic drop
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>>159248368
>You
Not my thread.

>it's because most Kingdom readers on /a/ don't think Sei having a child with another woman is odd or "out of character" since concubines and harems were the norm back then and Sei will definitely keep said concubines even after marrying.
No, it's because Kingdom threads usually die with less than 10 replies. Stop trying to push your narrative with nonsense.

>It would've been more weird if he didn't have any despite being a king.
Once again, you're missing the point. It doesn't matter that he has other children, it's about the way Rei's and the crown prince's positions in the family were handled - Reread the part about Rei's birth.
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>>159248668

Not so Hype Chapter. I miss Mouten and Shin. Ouhon is just a faggot with daddy issues.
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>>159248341
I like how the author uses size to convey strength and importance.
There's another good page where Shin meets Ryo later in the series and he appears smaller, but still not smaller than Shin himself (but I can't find it).
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>>159239645
I'm not caught up on the series but in the exact chapter that you find out she's pregnant, it is clearly stated she's the second pregnancy and someone else got pregnant first

If you don't understand why this was done, it's obviously so that he can have this romance while still accepting the historical firstborn also existed

If you can't even read the series you are supposedly reading, why not just kill yourself?
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>>159249055
>it's obviously so that he can have this romance while still accepting the historical firstborn also existed
Why couldn't he just have the romance with his first wife?
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>>159249029
I want to fuck Kyoukai
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>>159248339

I hope so, Houken is shit.
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>>159249110
Because having a daughter is cuter. I bet she gonna wanna fuck Shin next timeskip.
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>>159249110
Because then you'd have to bring in all the importance of her child being the firstborn and stuff which detracts from the romance, it's so much easier to write a romance set in a historical event when it's an anonymous concubine and her anonymous kid rather than a historical one
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>>159249251
>Because then you'd have to bring in all the importance of her child being the firstborn
Where is the problem in that? They already pretended that Rei would be his first with all the reactions of everyone which in retrospective make no sense when he already had a kid at that point.

>it's so much easier to write a romance set in a historical event when it's an anonymous concubine and her anonymous kid rather than a historical one
That makes honestly absolutely no sense.
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>>159249110
Because concubines were the fucking norm back then. He probably doesn't even love them, they're basically just baby-making machines to carry on the bloodline. Kou is the only one with the real romance because if he had romance with any other of the women then it would have been shown but them not being shown just proves that they aren't important and simply there to provide children. Why is this so difficult to grasp?
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Why didn't Shin fuck Hisui?
Didn't one of Sei's harem girls have a crush on him too (in the extras)?
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>>159249412
>Because concubines were the fucking norm back then.
When did I imply anything else?

>Kou is the only one with the real romance because if he had romance with any other of the women then it would have been shown but them not being shown just proves that they aren't important and simply there to provide children.
Yes and it would have been no problem at all to make Kou bear his first son too, so what?
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>>159249249
>Become princess' knight in shining armor
>Profit????
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>>159249313
Basically, what I'm saying is go re-read the stuff between Sei Kyou and a young Ei Sei...if you still don't understand, then I don't know what to say

No one's saying he couldn't have used the one who had his first kid, it just wouldn't have been as easy or romantic
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>>159249470
Because Shin is still half blank self insert and as such followes the trope of
>Giiiirls?!
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>>159249470

Too busy murdering hundreds to get some pussy.
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>>159249550
>go re-read the stuff between Sei Kyou and a young Ei Sei
What about it? Sei Kyou having his waifu beforehand, doesn't mean Ei Sei had one too, seeing how he claimed the throne AFTER Sei Kyou had his and then had the whole assassination shit going on.
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>>159249496
Because Hara obviously wanted Sei to have a child with another woman considering the fact that he bothered to write it in the first place. If Kou not having the son bothers you so much then just calm down because there's still the possibility that she'll have a son herself.

I honestly don't see the big deal.
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>>159249589
He seemed relatively cool with the idea of impregnating Kyoukai.
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>>159249674
>I honestly don't see the big deal.
It really shows, seeing how your replies still miss what the point is about.
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>>159249496
>it would have been no problem at all to make Kou bear his first son too
Why would he write about China, it would be no problem to do the same with any other ancient country?
Maybe he's planning to do something with that girl later. Maybe he just really wanted to do that mini-rescue arc. Maybe he just felt this way.
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>>159249724

Pretty sure he has shown interest more than once, maybe when talking about Palace Girls with Sei, he just gets a harder erection when he is going on a murderous rampage.
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>>159249724
>Team up with a strong man
>Climb a big mountain
>Make something explode

Well, her sister wasn't wrong
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>>159249470
He'll fuck Hisui, You, Kyoukai, Ten, everyone.
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>>159249629
I meant as kids

There's a whole bunch of political shit there, it's not cute, it's just children who other people want to kill and there's an implied hatred from other kids of the King that is specifically directed to the heir apparent (firstborn), being secondborn is always ideal

You can even see this in modern times with like Prince William and Prince Harry...one gets to be a celebrity who does whatever the fuck he wants with his millions and just party all the time and one has to be boring and be the face of everything as a model figure, telling the story of his firstborn would be boring and redundant since we already went through that with him
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>>159249732
What exactly is the point? That Kou wasn't the one to have the son and you dislike that?
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>>159250084
I assume it's just some puritanical ideas about romance
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>>159249962
Why would you assume that Kingdom will be about the king after Sei at some point? The unification of china happens under Ei Sei historically. We won't see whatever his son will go through.
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>>159250084
>What exactly is the point? That Kou wasn't the one to have the son and you dislike that?
That Rei was celebrated as the king's first child and then was retconed.
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>>159250219
It doesn't even matter in that context, she's a woman, for fucks sake! Why don't you just stop your shitposting festival?
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I miss best girl. RIP princess.
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>>159250464
>It doesn't even matter in that context
>it doesn't matter that someone is shows as first born and then suddenly isn't
Take your own advise.
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I just realised something, if Qin expands couldn't someone from the captured states become one of Qin's great generals too?
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>>159251177
Possible but unlikely.

If it is someone who is known then the other generals and the state won't trust them.
If it is someone who isn't known then they would never give him the status.

it's very likely that Shin will recruit some highly skilled literal who's from other states into his unit though.
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>>159252006
But why? Renpa was trusted by Wei and Chu from the get go after leaving Zhao just because he's so famous.
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>>159253803

>later that day

Get fucked, i hope they capture him and feed him to Kanki.
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>>159239645

It comes a bit outta left field, but it is mentioned later that he has other children with other concubines.

Also; holy shit a Kingdom thread.

What a time to be alive.
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There can be no doubt this is one of the most outstanding manga around. It's pretty unique in its subject material and how it handles it, and it has been steadily publishing for over 10 years. Yet I almost never see anyone, anywhere talk about. It's one of the top ten manga on shit like MAL, but it often flies completely under the radar. Why is this?
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>>159254205
It's one of the best-selling series back in nipland.
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>>159253803
I loved Sei's "don't give a fuck" attitude in this chapter. From interrupting Riboku to yelling and declaring war with him. It was just so satisfying.

>>159254044
Kingdom has enough readers for threads to reach bump limit. The problem was always the readers not being on /a/ in particular. I'm shocked that there's 17 posters here.
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>>159254249

I'm glad to hear that, but I almost never see it discussed by Western fans anywhere.
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>>159254205
It's good. That's plain it. While there is Kyoukai and TenXShin fagging here and there, it doesn't actually enable any kind of waifufags into the threads and at the same time there are no ridiculous plot twists that people could shitpost about either. Basically there is nothing that could create a general on /a/ although it's a weekly series. It's more of a manga you consume and don't really need to discuss.
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>>159252870
Yeah but even renpa who was one of three great heavens from zhao wasn't given a position of great general. in Wei/Chu.

The 6 great generals are completely autonomous, they can move their army however they want and wage war on whatever state they want. their armies are loyal the the general rather then the state of Qin or the King.

this will make it very unlikely that an "Outsider" from a conquered state will be given the position.
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I've often wondered: Are the army sizes that keep getting thrown around in the manga at all realistic for the historical time period in China?
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>>159254452

That is a sad reflection on what /a/ has become then. Or maybe it was always like this, I don't know.
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>>159254205
It wasn't translated for the longest time.
I thinks it's been just over a year now that turnip farmers caught up to the releases.
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>>159248339
That's probably why Ousen is keeping Shin at the back, preserving him and the unit until Houken comes out of his hiding spot.
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>>159254502
There were 20 million people in all of china around that time, so yeah, the soldier numbers in Kingdom aren't too high compared to that.
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>>159254785

>i heard you drove him back once, now go kill him

Y-yeah, y-you too.
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Kingdom art is good, but there are still instances where the anatomy of a person is completely off. Disproportionate torsos, arms and legs that are way too long compared to the rest of the body, muscles or boobs that look like they were glued onto the character, stuff like that.
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>>159255068
Can you post an example? I've never noticed this.
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>>159255068
While his art is definitely not perfect, I agree, disproportions are often done in Kingdom to symbolise stuff like, importance, power, rejection etc.
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What's the best character and why is it Kanki?
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>>159254502
Sorta. it was common for armies in that time period to consist of up to several hundred thousand footsoldiers accompanied by cavalry.

but then again we are talking about 300 BC china so it's not like everything was recorded properly and numbers where most likely excgarated.
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>>159254988
Nah, I mean if something goes wrong at one of the battlefields he'll send Shin in as clean up and one of the most probable reasons that something goes really wrong is Houken. Ousen also knows almost anyone else there would be overwhelmed by Houken and he knows Shin can at least hold out for a little while.
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>>159255222
My favorite characters are Tou and Mouten to be honest. Kanki is cool and all, but somehow it feels like he is too perfect in his own sense.
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>>159255181

I should have bookmarked some examples. I've read through 522 chapters of Kingdom over the last couple of weeks, so it's all kind of a blur.
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>>159255222

Ousen is pretty intriguing right now.

How they handled the antagonism between Kanki and Shin during the Kokuyou campaign was an immense credit to the writing of Kingdom.
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Has Shin fucked either of them yet or is he dying a virgin?
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>>159255502

I think it was implied at some point that he isn't a virgin(i could be wrong), but other than that no he hasn't fucked anyone yet.
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>>159255583
No, he is a virgin. He tries to trick Sei into thinking he isn't back during the battle of Sai, but he sees right through him.
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>>159248339
Shin won't kill Houken til after Houken kills Kyoukai thus completing Shin's final transformation into Ouki.
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>>159255502

Shin cares only for the battle. It was kinda funny seeing the reaction of Ten and Kyoukai when Mouten urgedShin to go get hitched.
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>>159239645
Yeah, the author dropped the ball on that one, he focused so much on Kou/his daughter that he neglected to show the woman he had a son with at all - I'd think a crown prince being born was worth at least a fucking panel or two, or even being in the omake would have been fine.
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>>159255760
Hara didn't drop the ball so much as he didn't care. Every time the Crown Prince is mentioned it's treated like an afterthought.

>The princess is saved!
>Oh and the crown prince too, I guess
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>>159249162
Get in line. Ten is great too, but damn Kyoukai is best girl by a fucking mile.
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>>159255891
Poor prince. Shin needs babies too.
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>>159255451
Yeah, that rift between Kanki and Shin was done to perfection. Fuck Bihei though, little shit is lucky Shin is a good guy.
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>>159254785
Houken is a complete wild card and I actually don't think he'll make an appearance this time since Riboku hasn't had the opportunity to call for him. Every time Houken's made an appearance it was because Riboku esd scheming some shit and had time to prepare. Last time, he sent Keisha to fetch for him but seeing as he's dead now and Kaine and Futei haven't left Riboku's side it's pretty unlikely that Riboku is going to be able to use him.

The only way I see Houken showing up is if Shin or Kyoukai raise their power levels too high.
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>>159256354
Houken is going to show up if only to fight Shin - I'm positive Ousen is keeping the Hi Shin unit in the back for this very reason. Because Shin is:
>Wielding Ouki's glaive
>Carrying Ouki/Hyou's will forward
>Fought him off last time they met

For Houken this should be enough to get him to show his face at some point, because this battle basically is do or die for Zhao anyway.
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I'm still mad that Ouki was about to finishi Houken, only for some bitch ass archer to hit him in the back.
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>>159256063
Wasn't Kyoukai suppose to be part of the original trio but was too OP so he made Ten instead?
>tfw best girl is so best she's repeatedly wounded in before fight, sidelined and has to have a late introduction
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>>159256592
Sounds like it was for the best. Sei and Kyoukai don't really have good chemistry, but the again, the only time they've been in each other's presence is when she was trying to kill him?
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I still dislike how the scanlators use Japanese names instead of the original Chinese ones.
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>>159256592
She was but I like how it worked out this way better, because Ten a cutie.

>>159256981
Yeah she tries not to get too close to Sei outside of when Shin is around for that very reason. I'm sure he's pretty tolerant towards her after she returned from her revenge though, I doubt Shin neglected to tell him all about the next time they met, especially since there was zero chance of him ever kicking her out of his squad.
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>>159256490
The HSU was originally created to be Ouki's "arrow", something I'm sure Ousen is well aware of especially giving their martial prowess and experience. Strategically speaking, it's the best place to put Shin because 1) Riboku, who's well aware of Shin, won't know Ousen has the HSU up his sleeve or at the very least where they are on the field and 2) it's the easiest/quickest place to travel from on the map.

>Wielding Ouki's glaive
He can barely swing that thing around. He's not going to bring that into a fight with Houken. If the last few chapters are indicative of anything, Shin's going to get an intelligence power up rather than a strength one.

I'm not going to rule out Houken appearing but if you think Ousen is placing Shin there to hide him from Houken then you're wrong.
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>>159257228
I didn't say anything about hiding him from Houken, I said he kept him in the back to save his strength for when Houken inevitably shows up. We both know if he didn't do this Shin would go hog wild like he always does.
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>>159257060
It's a japanese manga, my man and many of the characters can't be assigned properly to real life people.
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>>159257368
All the Japanese names are spelled with kanji. All you have to do is plop it into a pinyin converter on google. I can understand going with Japanese pronunciations if the names are spelled with katakana, but otherwise, it just sort of takes me out of the ancient China setting.
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>>159257556
>All you have to do is plop it into a pinyin converter on google.
Do you think any japanese kid reading Kingdom does that?
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>>159257336
Houken won't show up unless someone's power level goes up through the roof tho. Going from there you have to assume that Ousen is or isn't aware of that. Regardless, I don't think that's something he'd do given that the Zhao outnumber them in this fight. Seeing as he's sent both his Vice Generals to the flanks I'm more inclined to think that he's placed Shin there for more craftier reasons.
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>>159257769
Last time Houken fought Shin he already stated that he HAD to kill him because of his "there can only be one under the heavens" bullshit. Do I agree that there is probably a craftier reason why Shin is in the back, sure. But I wouldn't doubt Houken showing up at some point was completely missed by Ousen either - they have shown the dude is fucking insane when it come to his strategies and genius.
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>>159256592
>>tfw best girl is so best she's repeatedly wounded in before fight, sidelined and has to have a late introduction
Probably the biggest problem with her atm. By rights she should make General before either Shin, Mouten or Ouhon but she's too busy playing house with the HSU.
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>>159257745
I don't care how a Japanese kid reads it. I'm just saying that it detracts from the worldbuilding and setting, much like how if a book about the American Independence War had characters named "Furankurin-san" instead of Benjamin Franklin.
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>>159242243
>The why was Shobunkun so surprised when the King's daughter was born and the King so embarrassed about them knowing he had sex? If he banged another girl before and got her pregnant
I don't know the chapter, but I remember that when Kou got pregnant, there was a narrator-box saying something like "Later they would discover that another woman had been impregnated earlier."
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>>159258087
They're easier to remember. I would gladly sacrifice immersion to know why the fuck is going on and how to pronounce names.
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>>159258434
I personally don't give a shit so long as they keep the same names and it's consistent. Rereading from the start is such a pain in the ass. When are Turnip Farmers going to the rest of the first volumes?
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>>159258011
I don't think she's a great leader. She's a great assassin, but not leader. I mean, Shin is the de facto commander of her own unit.
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>>159258253
This guys right they mentioned the older child when Kou's child was first born. Also they clearly said before that a different girl visited him every night. You may have wrongly assumed that just because he took things slow with Kou he was taking things slow with all the girls. What you overlooked was him taking it slow with Kou was suppossed to be shocking because it was an exception.

The implication was always that Sei was actively trying to sire heirs for his Kingdom but with Kou he was looking for more of an emotional attatchment instead of viewing her soley as neccesary breeding stock for the sake of his Kingdom.
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>>159259451
She's gotten much better and taken a more active role since she got her revenge though. If push came to shove I don't think she'd ever want to be apart from the Hi Shin unit though, so she'll probably just casually sit as his #2 forever.
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>>159248668
Literally Moubu lite, from the angry face to the tiny beard.
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>>159254327
>The problem was always the readers not being on /a/ in particular. I'm shocked that there's 17 posters here.

Have you even been on /a/ when we were playing catch up? Coalition arc was hitting bump limit every single day at least, maybe two threads. The speech and Yotanwa chapters reached critical mass.

There's just not a lot to discuss, same goes for most historical series unless someone like Hox likes to dump paragraphs of information about details like weapons and shit.
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There has been a lack of Yotanwa recently and I don't like it. But her and her mountain tribes are OP as fuck so I understand why they don't get much screentime.
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>>159255502
His descendants literally form a dynasty in the future. A very very successful dynasty at that.
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>>159260126
>are OP as fuck so I understand why they don't get much screentime.

Because historically she really is OP and never lost in any records but there's no details either.

Besides it's not so much she doesn't get screen time, rather they've been rotating the view point almost every chapter. In fact the side that has the least exposure is literally Kanki cause he's so far got it easy.
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>>159260289
I understand why historically she isn't in the spotlight too often, she's just a breath of fresh air because she just overpowers everything in her path. And Kanki will get his exposure soon enough, for better and for worse.
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>>159260289

We'll see Kanki when Ousen and friends return to Gyo and they see Kanki's gift to them.
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>>159259451
There was an entire chapter of the HSU praising her leader skills after she came back
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>>159260390
Considering Yotanwa is basically the focal point of the second battle field she will get some time once it shifts focus again. It's a lot more impressive than everyone at the Ousen battlefield having to share.

Also reminder according to Hara's canon databook (which has so far proved 99% correct in all battles unlike databooks in typical battle shonen) that ignoring the lack of updates to individuals post time skip, Yotanwa was the only living general who matches Riboku in overall stats, both being surpassed by only Renpa.
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>>159260537
Well what do you expect? She's got a vagina dude. And they interact with very few women. It's subconscious.
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>>159260643
Where do you get the databook?
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>>159261009
The old databook entries were also translated and attached to certain chapters at the end. You see strength/leadership/intelligence/misc. The newer ones are mostly raws that you google.
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>>159255451

>Ousen is pretty intriguing right now.

Will he turn traitor at some point? That's whole reaosn the guy was never on the spotlight.
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>>159248511
I like how Akou is trying to be genuinely nice because he knows Ousen is a shit dad.

He's pretty much dying this arc, no?
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>>159266667

Sure hope he doesn't run into some mysterious badass general from zhao that was just introduced a couple of chapters ago or something.

Or maybe he just gets destroyed by HOUKEN BE MUH NAME
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Does Yona get gangfucked every night?
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>>159269488
She beats the shit out of every man who comes close to her, doubly so when she is drunk. To be honest, I don't think there is anyone who would last a single night with her even if they could bed her.
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>>159270483
It takes the entire troop to fuck her, that's the problem. She's got a strong reverse harem game going.
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>>159270548
I know its not historically accurate, but I was totally expecting her to push Sei and or Shin down and "take em for a ride" to cement their alliance/relationship.
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