Reminder that these 3 series are the best battle shounen and

>>159183096
I was here when FMA ended, and no one gave a shit. I don't even think it got a sticky. I actually remember berating FMAfags for their lack of enthusiasm. And do you know what they replied to me with?

>What's there to talk about?

Literally what I was told. Meanwhile, when Naruto and Bleach ended, their threads blotted out the sun.

>>159183145
maybe cause FMAfags aren't retards

Fma is overated

>>159183096
Where the fuck is HxH, faggot?

>>159183145
>>159183311

FMA was straight garbage. Author kept hammering the readers over the head with her shitty morals.

Not to mention dat generic shonenshit "lol beat the bad guy" ending.


>>159183333

Don't you mean
>wan piss of shit

>>159183096

Only the 1999 Kenshin OVA was decent. Everything else in the Kenshin franchise is straight garbage.

>>159183096
Never read Rurouni Kenshin, tell me about it. Why does it deserve its spot?

>>159183145
>when Naruto and Bleach ended, their threads blotted out the sun
There were reasons for that, this board and the people on it always had an odd relationship with Naruto, and a lot of us wanted to see it off. Also, the pairings at the end were a salt mine the likes of had never been seen before and will never be seen again. Same with Bleach, but less so and a lot of the attention was manufactured in a failed attempt to recreate the shit around the Naruto ending.

>>159183145
That's because it's perfect. Nothing to talk about other than to say what an amazing experience it was.

>>159183449
Fuck off Huntard you cancerous shitposting piece of trash

>>159183096
One Piece is an adventure shounen with battles to keep kiddies interested. I live for the exploration and world development.

>>159183470
Good fights, great cast, many emotional moments, good plot. The anime had a great soundtrack.

>>159183813
Your teachers would be turning in their graves if they saw this. Using "good" twice in the same sentence?

>>159183449
>Not to mention dat generic shonenshit "lol beat the bad guy" ending.

Was going to make a post but you nailed it. FMA had a completely predictable ending.

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>>159183096
I would argue that you should increase it to 4 for DBZ deserves a place for one of the best choreographed fight scenes in manga

Make it 6 if you want to include YuyuHakusho and HxH
Haven't seen Jojo yet but I heard great things about its battle scenes

>>159183813
Not him, but another interested anon. Is it worth looking past the dated animation to watch the original? Will I miss anything if I watch the new version?

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>>159183096
Gash Bell
Ushio and Tora


No third everything else is shit.

>>159183911
Is Gash Bell an /a/ accepted series? Never really see too much about it. Was never able to get into it too much myself.

>>159183574
With Bleach, it was because the ending was so un-KUBOOOO, and ended basically on a whimper that people were left with a terrible taste in their mouths. He built way too complex of a plot at least in terms of character resolutions that he couldn't handle in the end. It's like if Berserk had 5 times it's current cast and Miura died next week.

>>159183096
HxH, Gash, FMA

>>159183096
One Piece is the only REAL best shounen. All others such in comparison.

>>159183891
DBZ doesn't deserve a place anywhere, Dragon Ball goes to shit slowly but steadily starting at volume 17.

>>159183963
Don't fucking compare that hack kubo and his shit art, no background lazy nigger ass to THE idolmaster and literal idea of evil himself.

>>159183096
>>159183096

Slam Dunk, Hokuto no Ken and Kenshin are my top three. FMA is high tier but I've never bothered to check out One Piece. I just don't like the art style all that much

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>>159184101
You've missed out on some pretty good stuff for a very trivial reason. Kudos for Slam Dunk though.

>>159183880
Riveting, intriguing, fascinating and masterful.
Excuse me for being minimalistic, cunt.

>>159183906
I wasn't even aware there was a new version. Just watch the fucking original, you won't regret it. You can even skip the fillershit.

>>159184160

I really wish Viz would reprint the entire thing in an omnibus edition or something. We've got Kenshin in several omnibus releases but nothing for Slam Dunk, why?

>>159184232
>replacing two adjectives with four
Brevity is wit, sonny.

>>159184265
All the tanks are still available though.

>>159183880
Languages teachers need to fuck off.
The main point of language is proper communication, good writing is that which communicates ideas properly, repetition is fucking irrelevant unless you're some pretentious linguist masturbating to your pointlessly intrincate arrangement of phrases.

>>159183096
>and it's not even close.
Close tte nani senpai?

>>159183096
I like One Piece but I never understood what's so great about it.

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>>159184336
D-

>>159184270
I replaced two instances of "good" and two instances of "great", what are you going on about?

>those three over Dragon Ball

It's shit

>>159183906
>>159184256
Just looked the "new version" up, it seems to butcher the artstyle quite a fucking lot. Also, summing 25+ episodes up in 2 OVAs is a bad sign.

>>159184372

Shit, right?

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>>159183096
But you're wrong OK.

>>159184423
Don't be a hipster, you don't like HnK either.

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>>159184336
Allow me to herald to you an idea to call.

A language of the tongue serves its purpose well. But those who wishes to express a message that reverberates through the hearts of men must be spoken in the tongue that cannot be contested by the ones of simple minds. Food serves its purpose as sustenance but a cuisinier with the right spices can turn it into a palate that feeds more than the stomach.

Everything is an art to be polished by the men who made merry of its company.

Also, I have no idea of what I just wrote

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ITT: Literal babbies apart from >>159183911 and >>159184423

>>159184673
I tried reading this but the MC seemed like an actual retard, it isn't cool to have retards fight people.

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>>159184718
He is a bit retarded (what do you expect for someone from Kansai) but he does get less retarded after the first 2 or so volumes. Only problem with Rokudenashi Blues is that it takes a bit of time to get to the really good bits.

>>159183795
This. Fights are the most boring element in it for me. World and sense of adventure are what's I'm in.

>One Piece
Nope, it's boring.
One Piece is trash that opened the door for shounen shit on /a/.
Notice how there are 24/7 generals for Naruto, DBZ, and One Piece.
Realize that a few years ago this would be unthinkable ( excepting one piece ), the threads spammed to death.

>>159183906
Read the fucking manga.

Hokuto no Ken
Dragonball
Rurouni Kenshin

Everything else is just talk no jutsu shit with author trying to push their morals down your throat every second

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>>159183096
As much as I love Kenshin, they fucked up when they made the perfect villain, and then try to continue after that.

>>159185148
I just realized Fallout New Vegas must've ripped Shishio's design off.

>>159183926
I enjoy elements of Gash, while it was a fun read the story seemed a bit unfocused but it had great character designs and concepts
and Gash is the cutest and I want to cuddle him

>>159183449
>Only the 1999 Kenshin OVA was decent. Everything else in the Kenshin franchise is straight garbage.
See, I can agree with this except for calling the OVA merely 'decent'. Calling FMA garbage because of a moral disagreement with the author is stupid, though.

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>>159183096
No, but this 6 is

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>>159185112
>Not mentioning the GOAT

Shame on you.

>>159185273
Bottom is shit.

>>159185273
There are three series that don't deserve to be there and you KNOW which ones they are.

>>159185273
I haven't read shaman king in a long time. Does it hold up?

>>159185273
Is Toriko good? Its premise sounds really dumb.

>>159185305
Bad.

>>159185310
good worldbuilding and story but rushed near the end

>>159185333
That tends to be a jump series right? It goes on until it starts falling off then it gets axed. Bleach has no excuse though, it had enough fucking time and squandered it all.

>>159185328
But the main character has a good design, why can't mah aesthetic match with the story?

>>159184101
>>159184160
Slam Dunk isn't battle shounen

>>159185368
bleach was only good as a monster of the week series, trying to over complicate the lore and the lack of Kubos skill for long running narative ruined such a cool idea and well designed characters

>>159185028
Au contraire, One Piece is the best shounen there is. Any other shounen only planned its story to end in several arcs and then patchwork itself into the next arcs, like; fairy tail or bleach. While One Piece is an actual shounen with planned story with arcs separating story progression.
Anyone who can't appreciate how One Piece plot tailored is either those who watch only the anime, never read the manga, or read the manga but doesn't understand the what it's about.

>>159185826
>Au contraire, One Piece is the best shounen there is.
Nope, it's shounen bullshit with a veneer of cartoon goofiness.
"Island of Gimmick" is NOT good worldbuilding.

>>159186016
>Island of Gimmick
See what I mean?

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>>159183096

>>159184423
JoJo is a better, more creative version of HnK.

Gash!!, Bleach, and Dragon Ball.

Honorary Mention: Soul Eater, D.Gray-man, Claymore. JoJo's has been seinen for years.

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>>159184673
That is a cool delinquent manga, however make way for the GOAT shonen delinquent manga.

>>159183911
Best post in this thread.

>>159183926
Someone dumped all volums of Gash Bell and the threads were pretty popular.

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>>159186844
The only thing JJBA does better than HnK is tension in fights. SBR is the only part which comes anywhere close to being as good as HnK.

>>159186994
We have this argument every single time these threads happen. Ignoring the fact that the actual best delinquent manga of all time is a seinen manga, pic related is the actual best shounen delinquent manga (and by my reckoning also one of the best shounen fighting manga).

>>159184673
>>159184423
someone really would put hokuto no ken on top? it's so slow and dull, choreography doesnt exist

>>159183813
Did you like the anime or did you like the manga? I think there's a difference here.

>>159184423
I could honestly never find any villains I could really hate in a cartoonish way, so all of Kenshiro's shit kinda falls flat for me. I loved the Steely Dan fight in Jojo for all the reasons that

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>>159187150
I think you got the wrong guy, anon.
I never argued about KKOW with anyone.

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Nothing else even comes close. One P is obv the most consistent, but nowhere near the peaks of AG.

>>159183096
Battle shounen in general must be absolute garbage if those are the best of them.

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>>159187337
fuck that guy, KKOW #1 nigga

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>>159187393
You say some good things for a kappa.

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>>159187177
I'm not sure I'd say it's slow. The main part of the story was over in 16 volumes, that's pretty fucking rapid especially considered to what we get these days. As for choreography in terms of fights, you may have a point, but for me the story and the great moments during the fights more than make up for it. HnK's story is incredible and I stil haven't read much that I think is better than it. I personally really like the fights even though most of them are over quite quickly.

>>159187337
>>159187393
Since even before the regular delinquent manga threads I'd be arguing forever with someone (who was probably the guy who made the delinquent manga chart) about whether or not KKOW was the best delinquent manga. Even now the argument continues.

KKOW is one of the, but not the GOAT.

>>159183096
Name an interesting battle, strategy-wise, from these three.

HxH is shit. YYH surpasses it easily.

>>159187363
Air Gear had god tier art, fight scenes, and sidekicks, but good god did the girls ruin the experience. This series was riddled with bitches, Ringo being the worst of them all.

>>159187683
Constant asspulls and deus ex drive the entire plot in every arc. YYH is fun but weak and more of an experimental ground that Togashi used to improve and move some good ideas he explored onto HxH.

>>159183449
>kept hammering the readers over the head with her shitty morals.
I don't know what's the author's trying to accomplish. He made everyone into bad guys including the brothers.

>>159183891
I will always love the Saiyan saga and the Namek saga for having every relevant character in each of those arcs do something against the villains, even if it didn't always work out.

>>159183813
>good fight
where everything is over with a single slash and nobody die?
>great cast good plot
kek

>>159183926
nah you shouldn't. Author is somehow think highly of himself and his manga is overrated with shit drawing.

Kenshin is really nothing special. Good art and likeable characters, but "let me now explain my special move in excruciating detail" battle series are dime a dozen.

>>159183096
>One Piece
Garbage.

>>159183096
We've had this thread before you FUCKboys. We've even discussed that FMA is NOT a battle shounen.

Sage.

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>>159187724
Agreed. Had one god-tier waifu pictured to the left, but apart from that all of them are pretty annoying(Though I don't hate Emily).

>>159187551
Strategically speaking, Toki tried to temporarily mimic Raoh's power, it didn't work, and then the battle was over. Not much different from Lee vs. Gaara's fight (with the added but ultimately useless, tactically speaking, expectation build-up from Lee's additional power-ups)

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>>159187992
The key difference is that the story behind Toki vs Raoh was on a much more grander scale than Lee vs Gaara, in terms of personal motivation and relevance to the overall themes and story of the manga. Lee vs Gaara was great but it was really just a very cool fight, Toki vs Raoh was the most important fight in the manga up to that point (and debatably even afterwards).

Not to mention that it still allows discussion of could a prime Toki defeat Raoh/Kenshiro etc.

>>159187363
I heard it the plot got insane in the later parts making it shit? I don't know, for me the story being bizarre is a good thing, but I don't know how it is in this situation.

>>159187741
>He made everyone into bad guys including the brothers.

Man, this guy really know what he's talking about

>>159187177
>choreography doesnt exist

This flashy generation... you can see why he likes naruto.

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>>159187724
>Kururufags still salty, because best girl won.

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>>159188262
Lee vs. Gaara wasn't cool, strategically speaking, neither was Toki vs. Raoh. They lack the emotional *pressure* and (much more importantly) ballsy/elaborate strategies/decisions from something like Akagi or Ten.

>>159183096
>Kenshin

>it was really a doll!
>that filler fights in the last volumes
>wow! yahiko strong!
>catastrophic and forced happy ending

at least you know that, after the ending, those happy times before WWII began. I hope Yachiko and Kenji got burned in hiroshima or something.

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>>159183096
Leave other battle shounen to me

>>159188383
>it's somehow wrong to expect good choreography from fights
Not him, but choreography has been a selling point in fights in kung fu flicks made before HnK even existed. If you don't care about that you could just watch a debate.

>>159184059
I wish I could become the idolm@ster.

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>>159188563
>Toki vs Raoh
>Lacking emotional pressure

Ok then.

Generally speaking people don't read battle shounen for elaborate strategies because that's never what they've been about and when series try them they often end up being asspulls (like most of the time in JJBA). Even in stuff which isn't shounen which tries to describe fighting strategy like Holyland, it comes across as being half arsed and not very entertaining.

If you want a battle shounen that is full of hardcore insane fearless moments then there can be only one.

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the lack of Keijo in this thread is unforgivable.

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>those unironic hokuto no ken shills ITT

>>159187664
>muh strategy
see >>159188821

>>159188287
It really does. Completely over the top ridiculous. Stuff like Obama makes a really weird Cameo and all gravity on earth disappears for a while. But like you, thats What I love about it.

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>>159189256
>doesn't like Hnk despite it almost being the best manga of all time

Ur a faget.

>>159184356
It's long, consistent, and burns time like a motherfucker reading from the beginning

>>159187664
I can name a couple from One Piece off the top of my head
>Strawhats vs Oars
>Zoro vs Pica

>>159189913
I heard other stuff by Oh! Great are also over the top fun. Is Tenjou Tenge good too?

One piece is garbage

>>159191292
That's a funny way of spelling "my taste"

>>159183096
They're all trash compared to HxH and Jojo

>>159185305
Falls apart when they actually get to the tournament.

Power levels inflate wildly, everyone chases after the new super form of the month. Death loses all meaning.

>>159185310
Up through Century Soup it's amazing. When the time skip happens things get rushed, confusing and over the top.

Replace kenshin with HxH and you got it.

>>159192537
Shame, Yoh has cute feet and I wanted to see moe

>>159188842
Keijo has furigana? Neat

>>159193055
>Yoh has cute feet
The thing I hate the most about Shaman King are the cankles the artist draws.

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>>159193818
They're hidden most of the time to be fair
Shounen MC's need to be barefoot or in sandals more.

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The Tomoe/Kenshin backstory alone makes Kenshin a better manga than OP and FMA. End of discussion.

If you don't think Dragon Ball Is one of the greatest Battle Shonens, it's because you haven't read the manga

Some fights are even better than the anime.

>>159185273
It's ridiculous how most of those series had wasted potential
Toriko: rushed by editors to wrap up quickly. Finishing things in one arc when it could easily go for an arc per every Acacia's dish, not having a chance to start Space arc - it could literally go for hundreds chapters more, rivaling One Piece in length.
Shaman King: axed.
Yuu Yuu Hakusho: finished abruptly by unmotivated Togashi
HxH: Again, Togashi happened. Poor art (not always though) and probably will never end or have the end like YYH due to absurdly long and frequent breaks.

>>159192537
>Power levels inflate wildly, everyone chases after the new super form of the month. Death loses all meaning.

I was angrily crying when reading this.

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>>159183813
>>159183906
Rurouni Kenshin holds up, but just watch the first 2 season, since the last one is all filler
it still has it's wonky moments of 90s shonen in the beginning but the story keeps a consistent theme of being about Japan in changing times.
The age of the Samurai is being fazed in a new industrial Japan, but warriors of the past aren't going away without a fight.
While others are trying to forget the past.
Rurouni Kenshin is a story about a repenting for his sins and undo the wrongs he did.
Makoto Shishio is also a great villain.

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>you might one day live to read the ending of One Piece with /a/
I can't fucking wait for all the reveals.

Rokudenashi Blues
HxH
Gash Bell

The rest is trash.

>>159183096
One Piece is the worst crap in the last 20 years

>>159183906
Read the manga first like you should with every battle shounen, then go watch parts of the anime which interest you.

>>159183096
>wan piss
no

>>159184336
>The main point of language is proper communication
Which is why what is written in >>159183813 is utter garbage. The question was what makes Ruroni Kenshin more deserving of praise than any other battle shounen out there. But the answer given in that post just lists off ultra generic, repetitive compliments that can be given to any story which contains fights and characters. It doesn't say what makes Ruroni Kenshin more special and worthy than anything else. It doesn't answer the question properly.

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>>159188821
Is this what's supposed to be "hardcore", "insane", "fearless moments"?

>Generally speaking people don't read battle shounen for elaborate strategies because that's never what they've been about
Says who? Cheap teenage emotional fluff, flashy, stylish choreography/animations are so common, that they gradually lose their effect. Meanwhile, once one has a taste of smart battles, he/she can't go back. Flashiness is no substitute to actual substance.

>>159183096
And only two of them were any good.

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>>159189993
>one discard from a genius will win against 100 strikes from an average MC

>>159183096
The other 2 are good but what is wan piss doing there?

I don't know buddy, FMA is quite shitty.

>>159202240
You know a manga is bad when their fans have to bait other people so that their favorite manga gets some attention, instead of the manga earning said attention.

It's tiresome to see OP and FMA being memed ad nauseam, and it's sad, pathetic, to see Samurai Me fans lowering themselves to kiss the feet of both OP and FMA fans, in order to get some "relevance".

No love for Dai no Daibouken in this thread?

>>159185273
>toriko
Ha!

I wish I was a delinquent at a Japanese high school in the 1980s.

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Sure thing bro

>>159205239
It is not that funny.

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all of you have shit taste

>>159207854
So what is good taste?

Kenshin is one of the most overrated mangas of all time. atleast it gave us It's gonna rain.

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>>159207854
>anon thinks that a funny face is supposed to be an indicator of a good manga

>>159207854
>>159184673
>>159184101
OP said battle shounen, you dumb niggers.

>>159209569
Baby don't taste me.

>>159187363
In a thread full of shit taste, yours is the absolute worst. Air Gear was a retarded mess.

>>159187150
>by my reckoning also one of the best shounen fighting manga
Really? I'm not the earlier choreography guy, but Crows pissed me off with its the weird flow of action and near-constant breaking of the 180-degree rule. It felt like the guy just slapped together a bunch of random panels of people hitting each other.

>>159209949
one important laugh is missing

>>159212474
Two actually.

>>159183096
>One Piece

>>159186531
Not even close, that series is trash, Dakki best girl.

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Oh really?...

>>159183891
This.

I've been reading Dragon Ball lately and I'm amazed at how dynamic the drawings are. The anime doesn't do it justice with all the slowdowns.

>>159183096
Only FMA and HxH deserve that spot.

>>159183145
>when Naruto and Bleach ended, their threads blotted out the sun.
Naruto was probably the gateway anime and manga for a large number of people on this board, so it ending was a pretty big deal. Meanwhile Bleach was all shitposting about Rukia/Orihime

>>159183096
Hokuto no Ken, HxH and Dragon Ball are better.

>>159183906
>dated animation
It's animated better than 99% shit we have these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwlpnxUZsdA

>>159183096
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
YuYuHakusho
pre Z/timeskip Dragonball

There are other good shonens but nothing tops those three.

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Dragon Ball has some of the best fight choreography in manga overall. The action is consistent and dynamic throughout the scenes. Characters don't just reappear in places nor do their poses ever change in an unbelievable manner from panel to panel.

>>159215992
Not him, but that video is full of stills and loops, what the fuck are you on about?

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>>159183096
I know it kinda fell off in the last arc but YYH is honestly my favorite battle shounen. Maybe not objectively better that those three but fuck objectivity

>>159216836
>Not him, but that video is full of stills and loops, what the fuck are you on about?
People like you is why konoshit is popular.
Animation quality kept going down, and modern anime viewers just accept it.

>>159215992
I have a hard time getting over how unrealistic this scene is.

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>>159216742
Also unlike other manga instead of a bunch of smears on the page for "rapid punches" Toriyama draws the barrages

>>159183096
Obligatory Gash Bell defense force.
Gash is the best.

>>159217678
Nice non sequitur, doesn't change the fact that most of that video is barely animated.

>>159215992
It's animation is it's weakest point. The emotional weight the music and characters have is what carries the fights.

That fucking episode with Seijiro teaching Kenshin the ultimate technique was a slideshow bore and it shouldn't have been. A lot of the episodes are slideshow bores.

>>159183096
Too bad Kenshin will be ruined by the sequel.

>>159183470
It's a seinen dressed as a shounen.

>>159220226
Why is that allowed?

>>159184423
Shame it's just a ring ni kakero rip-off

>>159184480
>But those who wishes to express a message that reverberates through the hearts of men must be spoken in the tongue that cannot be contested by the ones of simple minds.
>those who wishes [...] must be spoken
Sasuga Facebookfag. Fuck off.

>>159222789
But it isn't bad.