was evangelion really that good?

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>>159088752
>Asking the question when the answer is obvious.

>>159088752
only end of evangelion was good

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>>159088752
are you saying its not?

>>159088752
Better than you favourite anime

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no the real question is, Is Misato really that hot?

>>159088752
yeah
>>159089055
no

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>>159088752
Yes, yes it is.

>>159088752
Yes, it is the best anime ever made. This is an objective fact, you can disagree, but you'd be factually wrong.

>>159089291
>This

Also Asuna is objectively the best girl in the entirety of Eva, if you disagree you most likely have a mental disability.

Yes. For being my first anime, I really liked it.

>>159089327
Who is Asuna?

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>>159089327

>>159088752
were the spinoff movies really that good?

>>159088752
It was okay I guess

>>159089291
what this guy said

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>>159088752
Kare Kano is better, honestly.

>>159088752
The reason it's controversial is because as a story it's terrible, and as art it's great. Mind you I'm defining art by the Leo Tolstoy definition: story is a transmission of thoughts from author to viewer and art is a transmission of emotion from author to viewer. Anno did a good job of transmitting his emotions through it, but not as good of a job transmitting his thoughts, essentially.

>>159089194
Y E S
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>>159090708
>The reason it's controversial

because some inronic weeb nu-males dont like it doesnt make it controversial.
anyone with any relevance praise it.

>>159088752
The original series yes.

>>159089291
This was true until 2010 when K-On came out and dethroned it. Still, second place is nothing to sneeze at.

>>159088752
it was actually even better

>>159090708
Tolstoy is the faggot who had an irrational hate-boner for Shakespeare. Great art is the great synthesis of thought and emotion.

>>159090708
>eva
>controversial
It's pretty much unanimously acclaimed. That's like saying 2001 was "controversial" because some faggots today complain the shots were too long

It's great, as good as Anno's previous works.

>>159091083
Imo thought and emotion aren't really comparable. It's basically philosophy vs poetry.

>>159088752
I only enjoyed the evangelion movies

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>>159088752
I watched half of the show when I was 13 and dropped it because I thought it was really boring so I imagine I'd have different opinions now but I'm not particularly interested in finding out.

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>>159088752
Greatest anime. Worst fanbase

>>159089291
>Best ever
Ehh, it is up there in the top, but the best is a matter of taste.
The direction of Eva is nearly flawless, tho.

>>159088752
No. The first 14 episodes were horrible

>>159090568
Underrated post

>>159090708
No, the story isnt terrible. It is just told in a non-standard way.
You dont get to know much more than the things shinji, the "main anchor" in the setting, doesnt know.
It is an artistic decision to give emphasis in character development instead than in plot advancement. It doesnt make the story terrible, just different.
People following the same 101 of story telling and being afraid to try different ways and focuses to tell a story is the thing killing fiction today. "Too risky to be 'artsy', gotta follow the committee approved formula"

>>159088752
Baby's first anime

>>159093715
Though and emotion are totally related. Rationalism and Emotion are the ones that conflict.

>>159089327
>Asuna

It wasn't good, it just was the first to deconstruct the mecha genre.

and it had 2 polar opposite females to kickstart the waifu wars that still rage to this day.

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>>159097178
>it just was the first to deconstruct the mecha genre.
Wrong

>>159088752
Great animations, great fights, convoluted plot but great characters.
The only "problem" for me was that they went far FAR too into the whole symbolism and DEEP psychology, and that fucking last episode + omedetou!!! ending probably forever biased me against actually liking this.

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>>159097178
>waifu wars that still rage to this day
That's not true. The war ended a long time ago, when it was unanimously agreed that Asuka is best girl.

Reply ASUKA IS BEST GIRL to agree.

>>159097178
>>deconstruct the mecha genre
>While none of shinjis problems come from piloting the mecha, but rather his father being an asshole, the people around him being broken, and he himself being depressed.
>His mecha, if anything, is a very literal Deus Ex Machina that saves his ass when he is danger.

Stop throwing that word around, you dont know what it means. It doesnt matter if 99% of the world also uses it wrong, it still wrong.

>>159097494
>Waifuing characters that are supposed to be unlikable and damaged.
That is stupid Anon.

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>>159097178
>deconstruct

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>>159097761
Look at her little face, though

>>159088752
Yes it is.

I really like that lil sociopath, even with all her flaws.

>>159097215
Lightsabers, very original.

>>159090568
^

>>159097736
Shinji is a deconstruction of a mecha MC, he has an absentee father who leaft to work on robots then comes back years later to have shinji pilot and unlike any other mecha MC Shinji reacts the way a normal teenager would with so much responsibility, he crumbles.

Asuka is a deconstruction of the hotblooded archetype and Rei of the cool calm and collected pilot.

in short, your fukin dum.

>>159097736
>It doesnt matter if 99% of the world also uses it wrong, it still wrong.

People have been using the word to describe these kinds of story's since Watchmen back in the 80(possibly even before) language evolves, we Grammar Nazis have to deal with it.

>>159101429
You say deconstruction but what you describe is subversion. Way the prove that anon's point.

>>159097761
Why would you waifu a character who isn't damaged?

>>159101959
see
>>159101614

>>159102102
see
https://boards.fireden.net/a/thread/156743218
It doesn't work that way when the "evolved" meaning means something completely different for everyone. Also, I never hear deconstruction used to refer to works of fiction outside anime.

>>159102401
>Also, I never hear deconstruction used to refer to works of fiction outside anime.

it sounds like you only watch anime. its fairly common, particularly in /co/ related media.
https://www.google.com/search?q=watchmen+deconstruction&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS703US703&oq=watchmen+dec&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.5149j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

also
>using a 4chan thread to try to prove your point

>>159090568
How were you the only one able to pick up on the miyazawa?

>>159102542
You example doesn't make that particular use of the word any less obscure and that thread clearly proves the meaninglessness of the word in common use. Why don't you just provide a proper argument for why eva is a deconstruction because characters being more "realistic" doesn't convince me.

Yeah

>>159089291
>best anime ever made
>objective fact
That's just sad.

>>159097494
I hate tsunderes.

>>159103520
>You example doesn't make that particular use of the word any less obscure.

it shows tons of people using the word in context that you say youve never heard it used in, if you consider your 4chan post valid then you have to consider my evidence valid as well otherwise you are to biased to even be worth arguing with.


>being more "realistic" doesn't convince me.

your not any kind of authority so i don't need to convince you, that said, even the mecha are done in a more realistic way(as much as can be said of something so impossible in the first place). Power cords, ballistic weaponry and sync ratios to justify the pilots abilty to execute complex movements with nothing bit joysticks and buttons.

if we are just arguing about the meaning of the word then there is not really any point in this since we arnt going to change each others minds.

>>159103999
>your not any kind of authority so i don't need to convince you,
>if we are just arguing about the meaning of the word then there is not really any point in this since we arnt going to change each others minds.
First, you say you don't need to convince him because he's not an authority,
then you dismiss a part of the discussion because nobody would be convinced about that part, despite earlier claiming that you don't value him being convinced.

This is not consistent.

>>159104098
of course id like to convince him, but like I would not still be posting if it meant nothing to me.

you act like youve caught me in some kind of lie or something?

and im dismissing that part cause if thats what its about then there is no reason to waste his time and mine.

>>159104238
>of course id like to convince him,
Then you'll have to give an argument why being more realistic means that it's a deconstruction. This is the point of contention.

>and im dismissing that part cause if thats what its about then there is no reason to waste his time and mine.
It's equally a waste of time if you say that it's a deconstruction because it's A and A is sufficient for your definition of deconstruction X, which you don't mention, because you assume that there's no stasis of definition, which you can't know, since you don't even mention which definition you're using.

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>>159088752
No

>>159104538
>since you
Both of you, that is.

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>>159104603
And neither was Slutbuster

>>159104538
it should be obvious what i mean by deconstruction from context.

Eva is obviously a deconstruction if you use the more modern definition of playing cliches realisticly.

even if its not the original meaning of the word its clearly evolved to be synonyms with subversion, language changes. or doth thou thinketh olde english is best to communicate.

>>159103520
>>159102542
>He never heard of watchman.
The fuck nigga.

Anyway, the agreed upon idea of "deconstructing" an genre is to try apply what would happen in real life to it.
Watchman is famous it takes the premisse of a few more capable than usual people deciding to pick on vigilantism as a job (super heroes), except that with the huge moral differences between them, it is only a matter of time till things goes to shit.

When you say eva is a deconstruction of a mecha protagonist, you are saying that the protagonist of eva is treated like he would in a real setting. While it is SOMEWHAT true, there is a lot of anime protagonist tropes and cliches at play.
For one, shinji, one of the most important people in the world, would be kept at NERV at all times. He wouldn't be allowed to go to school, let alone tell eva secrets to the school kids.
He had some shooting training, but he would also need extensive physical and close range combat training.
He would be taught discipline, which is really important in a realistic militaristic setting, and his insubordination cause a lot of problems.
For all the pain he goes through, he is hardly ever in danger, because 01 can always save his ass. He never stops and contemplates what it will mean if he fails, he just do it regardless.
There is little development around the idea of losing a friend in battle. When he loses rei, she gets reincarnated the same episode.

Ironically, as a proper deconstruction (application of real world logic and ideas) of the mecha protagonist, the first half of Gunbuster is a better example than eva, although the second half isnt so grounded.

The realism of the mechas (cables, weaponry, militaristic approach) is worth noting as a a strong application of real world logistics to the work, and one actually"deconstructed" parts of the show, but that isnt the protagonist, nor the focus of the show.

Part (1/2)

>>159089291
looking at NGE objectively as a whole it is pretty mediocre. they do a really bad job of hiding low budget animation towards the series finale

>>159104842
What the protagonist of eva REALLY is, together with most other characters, is a archetype of depression.
Eva is one of the first animes to actually put a heavy emphasis on character psychology and development, even though it is a exaggerated depiction. Not the first anime to deconstruct the mecha MC.
Shinji depression and main point comes from his relationships with the people around him. It is a psychological drama. That is what the series is.

People call it deconstruction because they associate desconstruction with drama and depression, although both things arent necessarily related.
(Part 2/2)

>>159104842
>For one, shinji, one of the most important people in the world, would be kept at NERV at all times. He wouldn't be allowed to go to school, let alone tell eva secrets to the school kids.


The school is actually super safe since its just a way for them to keep all the potential high sync ratio kids in one area where thay can be watched.

yea, everyone in Shinjis class has eva pilot potential

>He never stops and contemplates what it will mean if he fails, he just do it regardless.

this ones just plain wrong, he freaks out constantly.

everything else you said is 100% true though.

>>159104603
what is intelligent sci-fi anime called?

>>159104603
> left half is supposed to be "bad"
> contains loads of fantastic tit pics

What did he mean by this?

>>159105006
>this ones just plain wrong, he freaks out constantly.
Well, correct me if im wrong, but i remember that shinji couldn't explain why he fought, and later it was implied that he did for moments such as when hia friends, and even gendo, praises him for his piloting.
He seems to be doing it for his friends and to be accepted, rather than to save the entire world. Thats untill kaji give him a head shake.

>>159089194
>alcoholic,roastie, slob that wants to fuck her dad, then tries to bang a 14 year old because she can only way she can try to forget the pain in her life is by filling her holes.

Physically yeah tho since her jugs.
I can't bring myself to mean to her though so just ignore the green text.

where the fuck did sudostef's shit go, i wanted to watch the misato analysis

>>159106111
He attempted suicide. digibro's reddit had a thread about it

>>159106156
Damn, I hope he is ok. I wanted to show some of his stuff to one of my friends that is currently watching the show for the first time too.

>>159106156
>>159106111
Wew, the nutcases always end up being eva fans.
I remember the name and his youtube profile, but don't remember his work.
Wasnt he a really rich fuck that did a junji ito video not long ago being all art fartsy about art?
Is there an archive?

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>>159097494
how is this even a fair fight

>choices are
>an autistic clone of your mom that has the soul of a fucking god or something and might as well be a blow up doll
>slob roastie alcoholic with daddy issues that tries to fill her hollow existence with cock
>cute redhead girl that tries to hide her self doubt with narcissism, attempting to be independent and being rude to people she cares about. But in reality she just wants to someone that will love and cuddle with her

A S U K A I S B E S T G I R L


>>159097761
>not wanting a cute redhead that truly just wants to be cuddled and would be emotionally dependent on you as your waifu
it

>>159106941
He seemed both well off and a very chill dude, which makes it a bit surprising, also the way he spoke was very well suited for his videos, even if he did stumble a lot. I'm pretty sure he did make a Junji Ito video.
He didn't come off as tryhard as you say to me. I don't believe you can currently watch any of his stuff.

>>159088752
You're still talking about it.

>>159105512
What Shinji wants is a series-long recurring question that comes up a lot while he's tripping and his answers tend to be refuted quickly. When he complains about piloting or claims not to have a choice, he's invited to quit. He's shocked to receive a compliment from Gendo, decides after that he was always working for recognition, and a little later Leliel rips it apart as being his motivation. At the ending he says he was doing it to stay with all the cool people he met, in the beginning he first signed up and was headed for an apartment alone before Misato decided he was coming with her.

>>159088752
Yes, but women will never understand. Really.

>>159106941
>>159107123
He was good software engineer, could draw, play guitar, skateboard, make good anime videos and lived alone in a big house with a fat cat. A shame he didn't fall for Anno's bullshit.

Evangelion is both one most important anime ever from an artistic standpoint, but also one of the most entertaining ones. The problem is unironically that a lot of people don't get it. It is essential viewing for any fan of anime and anyone posting on taiwanese knitting forums.

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>>159107355
You'll never understand them, either. And that's great.

>>159088752
Watch it again, compare to other things you've watched.

>>159088752
It's a great anime but a terrible mecha

>>159097215
But you're also wrong, 0079 came out before ideon

>>159107439
>>159107123
Eh, im just being a little pricky, but i hope he is alright, and also wonder why he did it. I just remembered who he was.

He spent 5 minutes of the junji video trying to define art as "making content that inspire other people". Staying 5 minutes on the same point is pushing a little too hard for me, but i guess his other videos were alright.

Too bad his stuff is gone, i hate when this kind of things are lost forever, even im not a fan of it. Are you sure there isnt some mirrors in DailyMotion?

Another thing i think he did that offset me was he seemed to have a lot of expensive stuff and not being careful with it. I think there was one video where he threw stuff (i think coins) at his laptop with enough force to tip it. He also thrown himself down with his chair in one video. I dont have 250 bucks laying around to risk bending or damaging such a fancy office chair for a silly video skit.

>>159088752
Shitty Ideon rip-off

>>159101429
Amuro crumbled several times during 0079, not to mention he spent 6 years with PTSD until Zeta. By the end he did what he had to do, but he was still fucked in the head.

This is why nobody takes Evafags seriously.

>>159107831

That's because the mecha stuff is almost entirely irrelevant and mostly a vessel to convey the story about the characters.

>>159101429
>I've never watched any mecha series made before 1990

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>>159107831
>>159108150
Nice memes

>>159108150
I don't have the pic right now but your post is perfect for
>I don't really like mecha but... starter pack

>the mecha stuff is almost entirely irrelevant
That's why they have a mecha fight every episode showcasing several new attacks and weapons in different environments
> mostly a vessel to convey the story about the characters.
So literally every mecha anime ever.

>>159090568
This, to be frank.

>>159108240

I like mecha. I've never said in any thread that Eva doesn't have flaws. I don't get what you're accusing me of to be honest.

>>159088752
Yes.

>>159089327
>Asuna
Kek'd

>>159105563
>wants to fuck her dad
What? Did I miss something or are you memeing

when you kids are ready for a real deconstruction go watch 0080

>>159108454
Did you somehow miss her conversations with Kaji?

>>159108454
The reason she was attracted to Kaji was because he reminded her of her father. Which is also the she broke it off with him and tried to hate him. I forget but its in said probably between episodes 17 and 22, I forgot exactly.

>>159108522
Like how he reminded her about her dad? Yeah

>>159108240
>Reaching this hard.
You can like mecha, like evangelion and have 2 working brain cells to recognize that mecha isnt the focus of eva.

>>159108454
Daddy issues. She hates her dad, and end up both being like him, and dating a man like him: putting work first in a sort of selfish way.

>>159108240
What is even the objective of this post

>>159108824
15, the drunk walk home where he grimaces the whole time. She comes back to it again in instrumentality but that was the most direct.

>>159108941
Shitposting

>>159107985
>Are you sure there isnt some mirrors in DailyMotion?
When a video that isn't popular is gone from youtube it's usually gone for good. Also, that monitor looked 10 years old.

>>159109577
That sounds more right, I watched something like 15-26 then EoE yesterday so its a bit of a blur.

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is Eva really that good? last year I watched the first two episodes but lost interest. is what they say about this being the holy grail of philosophical anime true?

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>>159109815
no its shit, now fuck off

>>159109637
>Also, that monitor looked 10 years old.
Let me reiterate that im a complete poorfag and this kind of thing hits way too close to home.

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>>159088752
it wasn't even anno's best anime

>>159110274

KareKano is good but saying it's better than Eva is just /mu/-level contrarianism

The final episodes are arguably a bigger shitshow than Eva. Anno left directing after episode 15 IIRC

>>159090892
fuck e-celebs

>>159110340
Anno left and Tsurumaki took over. That wasn't what ruined it.

>>159109815
It's pretty good, but this is a common problem I've seen with my friends as well, they dropped it early multiple times. Just watch the entire thing and make sure to pay attention, don't just watch it like you're passing time just for the sake of it.

>>159109815
It starts slow, but it picks up interest quickly.
The direction and art is amazing. It and the well written characters keep the show going till the mind fuckery really starts around episode 16.
Its a good example of a well paced and directed series, with great characters that still trigger discussions. It changes tone several times during its run, bu always in a smooth and reasonable way.

But as with any series ever, if you go with really high expectations, it probably wont match them. Just relax, ignore all discussion and spoilers you seen so far, and try to go with a blank slate. But do pay attention, because the writting isnt standard and requires some attention to put all the pieces together.
Overall its a great experience.

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Yea nigga, yea.

>>159089327
two years worth of kimochi made a warui noise as it flowed endlessly into asuna

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>>159089327
Usuka >>>> Asuna

I actually really liked the "mecha" stuff in EVA. The tech crap is pretty detailed, and when EVA go berserk it's fucking impressive as it howls, stomps around, rips and tears. Biorobots are cool.

>>159088752

The fact that you are actually asking that question about and anime that is more than 20 years old is proof enough.

tell my of another series? gundam wing? escaflowne? Utena? DBZ?

the closest is cowboy bebop.

>>159113085
Somebody play the bike horn cover of cruel angels thesis...

>>159088752
I've never seen it /a/. Pls give opinions of me knowing this fact.

>>159114503
You're missing out.

>>159114503
You don't watch many anime considering you can't get started on a mere 26 episode series
It'd take less effort to watch it than shitposting on /a/

It's an all around well made show.

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>>159114503
Ya a dum dum

>>159114503

It's an overrated shit, there's nothing deep on it and all the anime was about best grill x best grill, and one grill is a copy of MC mother, aka incest to the faggets masturbate even harder.

>>159113191
Oh, its well crafted alright. Everything on eva is, the lore, the designs, the characters, etc. It doesn't mean that the robots are the main point.

>>159115695
>Being this absolutely butt-bruised because of a Cambodian Puppetry Show

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>>159088752
yeah

>>159114729
>You don't watch many anime
I've watched so many anime though. Just not Evangeline, Trigun, and I didn't finish Roruni Kenshin (maybe I did, not sure). I'm pretty sure that I haven't watched Evangeline, or at the very least didn't finish it.

>>159116289
Asuna is Evangeline's best girl.
Just watch the series when you feel like it. Its pretty good

>>159116753
>Just watch the series when you feel like it. Its pretty good
I'll probably do it over the weekend, are dubs decent, or subs the only way for this?

>>159116906
Sub is better, dub feels too cheesy

>>159090568
>Kare Kano
lovey dovey stuff is disgusting.

Romance it's only good if it was built up out from the pits of strife and development.

>>159117705
Whats your favorite painful romance, anon?

>>159116906
>Dubs
Really nigga?

>>159088752
Visualize the best thing you can imagine. Now, imagine something better. And then, put some extra effort and imagine something even better. Well, then Evangelion surpasses even that.

>>159089327
I didn't know they did a Sword art online/Evangelion crossover.

>>159088752
is that his and her circumstance?

So what happened at the end of the end of evangelion?

>>159120176
the same thing that happened in episodes 25-26, really

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I know unironic sincerity comes at a premium on these boards, but Evangelion is my favorite piece of visual media of all time. Before and since I watched it, no TV series/movie (Japanese, American, live-action, animated, or otherwise) has rivaled it in terms of compelling emotional impact and thought-provocation. The characters, the themes, the plot, the setting, the symbolism, the nuances, the animation, the directiorial style, even the supposed flaws are all a perfect encapsulation of a soul poured out into artwork. For one brief shining moment and due to irreplicable strenuous circumstances, Anno was able to perfectly portray the struggles of himself and countless others like him who he thought would be watching. If there was only one adjective allowed to describe Evangelion, it is undoubtedly "human".

It's fucking anime, but it is the standard against which I hold every movie or show I watch.

>>159120453
That's a perfectly valid opinion, anon.

>>159120453
Okay anon. But the manga was better.

>>159089291
This statement is true.

>>159121814
Please explain how. I haven't read it yet, but from what I've seen it's much more forward than the anime, which I don't like. What makes you say it's better?

>>159122448
Less filler, better character development, asuka is a better character, kaworu gets more and better appearance, the ending is "something"
That's all I've heard from those who read the manga, I haven't read it.

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>>159120207
Shinji accepts who he is and rejects the human instrumentality despite knowing that if he does, he will eventually be hurt by others, but he will be able to see the people he fought to protect again.

If someone can imagine themselves in their own heart, then they can be restored from the LCL/tang and become human again.

Shinji tries to strangle Asuka because he needed to know if she was really back. In the previous strangling scene in the movie, Asuka represented how humans reject and hurt others. The fact she responded to Shinji hurting her with a caress showed that hope of love still remained.

Her line of how disgusting was in reference to Shinji wacking his guac to her comatose tits in the hospital room. Because during instrumentality everyone was one being, she saw what Shinji did. Then he cries because he was hurting her.
I think the ending was very good and ended happily since everyone now has the choice to be understanding of each other as one being, or become human again and experience the joys of pains of life.

I imagine sometime after that Asuka and Shinji did hardcore fuggin since they know how they feel for each other now and make up for all that sexual tension.


Not sure why I tried to explain this because I literally finished like half the series and EoE yesterday the first time.

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>>159114503
leave and go watch it all in one sitting and dont spoil anymore of it for yourself you fuckstick

>>159122448
Well, i disagree. There is more development, and the story is a little more well "defined" but it was written by another person and it shows. There is a significant change in the characters, which i dislike.

The anime still the eva golden standard for me.

>>159123185
I see. Thanks for the heads up, I might still check it out some time.

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>>159117705
Kare Kano is like 50% pleasure and 50% pain.

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We all need thank this man for not plowing Asuka and being a bro to Shinji

>>159122876
>go watch it all in one sitting
Heh, the first time i finished Eva, i episode 16 to EoE starting from midnight.
Watching EoE at 6am with severe sleep deprivation is quite an unique experience. The flashing scene during the instrumentality caused me physical discomfort and headaches and i had to take a break.

10/10 would have a seizure to.

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>>159123582
>No one touches my watermelons
Fuck you asuka takes what she wants.

>>159123624

Episode 16 is a fucking masterpiece, so understandable

>>159123624
>i episode 16 to EoE
Fuck, that i forgot the verb.
I binged epidode 16 to EoE

>>159121814

The manga had 20 years of time to create. Sadamoto's art is amazing, but his writing can't match Anno's. Also the ending is a cop-out and is incongruent with Eva's main themes since everyone forgets everything they learned and the world goes back to normal

Never liked Evangelion, watched it anyway and I don't regret it, simply cuz I was young and don't remember shit

Also, Samurai Champloo best anime evar, you can try to prove me wrong, but you won't succeed

>>159123943
>everyone forgets everything they learned and the world goes back to normal
that's mad gay

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>>159123674
Slowly put the melons down and walk away.

>>159090568
Kare Kano has a fantastic first half but gradually fell apart when the master Anno stopped directing. Still one of my favourites.

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If there was a female version of Kaji, could she rival Asuka in smugness?

>>159124687
It wasn't half the anime that anno didn't direct. It was only a handful of episodes.
Even with Kare Kano's lack of an ending, it was still better than EVA.

>>159124717
what did he mean by this

>>159120453
Watch more anime.

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>>159124717
Maybe.

>>159124747
Smug anime men just doesn't have the same ring as smug anime girls

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>>159123943
>>159124591

agree, just finished the manga series and enjoyed the fuck out of it until the very end

like shinji doesn't even remember rei or eva or the fucking world ending and is just going to live a normal life now? fuck that

also not sure if i missed this in the manga but wouldn't seele still be trying to carry out the instrumentality project in the new timeline?

like he said ending was a cop out

>>159124853
I was referring to Kaji's line. And I mean, I get it, but why'd he embarrass her so much?

>>159124875
>also not sure if i missed this in the manga but wouldn't seele still be trying to carry out the instrumentality project in the new timeline?
I assume all traces of Adam and Lilith are gone. Either erased from the past or one day they woke up and everything went missing.

Still a not good ending. You dont overcome a big personal crisis about interpersonal relationships by forgetting your friends.

>>159124879

Autist: DETECTED

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>>159090568
this

>>159124879
He is smug, laid back, totally not afraid of his sexuality and dont have any fear of saying he used to be her boyfriend.
So he said that in a way that caused some shock value for laughs.

If everyone was as open as him about sexuality, the cast (specially shinji and asuka) wouldnt have went into the deeper end of depression like they did.

Kaji's flaws are about reliability and going too deep into the shady stuff of Seele, that got him killed.

>>159088752
So anon, cant you make your own decision? Do you need others to tell you if a series was good or not?

>>159088752
It's pretty good in my opinion. Everyone either loves it or hates it for some autistic reason.

Of course, most anime fans ARE extremely autistic, especially this board here.

Except me. I'm better than those weebs.

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>>159127616

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I have a dead mother and an estranged father. Can I get in the fucking robot?

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>>159127912
Idk, can you Shinji?

If you don't LOVE Evangelion, you don't deserve to live.

>>159129128
Oh, i get you.
I think that recommending eva to someone starting anime is a bad move.

It is a dense meal to digest, and isnt exactly a good depiction of others animes, on the contrary, it is famous for being rather unique.

Plus, the amount of hype it have can result in unrealistic expectations that will never be achieved.

Anyway, i think eva is a great work of art first and foremost.

>>159129128
>I'm no experienced anime watcher (hit the 50 count only recently)
Please leave.

>>159130336
sorry anon, i started watching anime barely last year and still have to work and study

>>159104603

Some of that sexuality had its purpose besides mere pandering

>>159114503

Thats like saying you ike scifi movies and shows yet not seen star wars or star trek

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>>159130336
>Have been here for several years
>My series watch / read count isnt nearly that high
Not my fault i find discussing about anime much more entertaining than watching it proper.

>>159088752
50% shit 50% great

>>159088752
If i start learning moonrunes and moonspeak tomorrow, will i be ready to watch 4.0 during release without depending on subbers?

>>159089327
Roy is best girl

Asuka is bestgirl
prove me wrong, pro tip you can't

>>159134926
>Not Miseta
Shit taste.

>>159104635
Stop shitting up /m/ phoneposter.

>>159134926
Kaworkin is objectively better than both.

>>159120453
LOL ur gay but I agree with you

>>159116906
Some decent acting in Dub, especially Spike Spencer, but a lot of the side cast can't really pull their own weight, especially in EoE

>>159137996
Kill yourself a thousand times over.
Spike Spencer's 50 year old tranny voice for Shinji is godawful.

>>159088752
Maybe

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>>159139705
yfw Shinji was actually a 50 year old tranny clone of Gendo all along

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>>159140970
Explains his phat ass and hips

Evangelion is overrated, pretentious garbage.

Why else do you think this is one of the few retro anime that is actually popular among young anime fans/people who otherwise don't watch old anime (aka shit taste)?

>>159141231
Mind expanding on that or are you just going to be contrarian?

>>159141231
name 3 anime better

>>159141248

There are plenty of essays written by those more eloquent and serious about anime on how Evangelion is a huge mess of edginess and random faux religious imagery meant to appeal to pseudo intellectual teens.

If anything is contrarian, it was Evangelion itself. This is the show that deconstructed the pre-established status quo of anime and made the networks realize that it wasn't just kids anime they could use to generate fuckloads of merch income.

Die hard otakus aka man children would also buy tons of merchandise if you made an anime that pandered to them. Thus we end up with the state of anime today where the mainstream shows are all otaku bait foremost and actual decent shows last.

>>159141400
Space Adventure Cobra
The Area 88 Ova
The Patlabor series

are just some of the many awesome retro anime that Evangelion isnt.

>>159141408
Most good anime were made after eva though

>>159141431
Look the amount of good anime being made hasn't really changed; for example: Kemono Friends, Giovanni's Island, Yuyushiki and Ergo Proxy. However, to say most good anime was made after is a very fucking ignorant thing to say and only cements my sentiments on how many anime fans don't appreciate any retro anime aside from Evangelion.

>>159141428
Why are these series better than Evangelion?

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>>159104603
my nigger

>>159141491
Of course this will be subjective but a contrarian opinion could do good for you.

-Space Adventure Cobra is a remarkable demonstration of anime's ability to legitimize b movie grade premises through its ability to consistently depict grandiose sci fi/fantasy and constant action. A live action requires a huge budget to pull it off without looking shit (and even then Flash Gordon was cheesy as f).
Anime has no such limitations so as a result, Space Adventure Cobra is very faithful to bringing a rich sci fi world to life yet as any good show should be; overall solid as far as plot and presentation goes. (alot more than can be said for many sci fi b movies).
Cobra may not be a smart show but its focus makes it hella more fun to watch than Eva.

>>159141408
Maybe, just maybe, the argument that eva isnt a good anime because it is too obtuse with its non-standard storytelling is valid. People usually expect anime to be mindless fun, not a puzzle. But that is just dismissing an entire medium as unable to be anything better than gundans mashing at other gundans.

To call it random and a huge mess is just plain stupidity. It is hardly that hard to understand, and most things actually do have meaning or at least some craft behind it. People are just too uptight with religion to realize that world building =/= symbolism.

What is the deep symbolism behind satania and gabu in Gabriel Dropout? There is none, it is just how that universe works. What is the deep symbolism behind the angels in NGE blowing up in cross shape? There is none, it is just how that universe works.

You other 2 paragraphs (the status of the anime industry) are grasping and not trully related to the quality of the show.

>>159141845
So, it successeds in its objective of being what a b movie wouldnt be able to be.
It doesnt mean it is better than Eva. On a technical level of direction, presentation and pacing, eva still miles ahead of it.

>>159089291
Then explain why are explosions cross shaped

>>159141428
Area 88, being one of the few 'realistic' (for anime standards) modern military anime defines my personal tastes. Once again, live action shows are limited by the prohibitive cost of setting up battle scenes and procuring military vehicles for use as props. Anime has no such limitations and can animate any model of plane dogfighting each other if it so chooses. While this is theoretically something that anime can pull off much easier than live action, modern military aesthetics are about the most unappealing thing to the Japanese, having lost WWII by being fucking nuked. Area88's gratuitous depiction of aircraft in intense combat is hella unique and it has a powerful anti-war story to back all of that up. An underrated classic that hearkens to new age hollywood with its fatalistic real world outlook and oppressive, gray morality tone.

Evangelion is actually one of the most gratuitous anime when it comes to highly detailed depictions of real life military equipment; unfortunately, their purpose in the story goes as deep as THE ARMY IS ALWAYS USELESS IN SCI FI/FANTASY ANIME.

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>>159141408
>>159141481
>>159141845
>>159141853
>>159141925

Yeah, but ... Asuka best girl, right?

>>159141925
Are you fucking kidding me? Eva literally ran out of budget and couldn't do a proper ending. That alone makes Cobra the better directed anime but I'll humour you nonetheless

Both shows are very different artistically but did an amazing job with their presentation.

Direction in Evangelion was garbage. I can't fucking believe how damn edgy it was for its time. Not to mention, it really went full try hard with the glacial pace of its plot revelations; I felt that this seriously hurt the pacing of the whole thing. None of the main characters aren't even likable for me to ignore the aforementioned.

It has its spectacular moments but this show came off like a young teenagers show trying to pass itself off as being for young adults.

>>159142074
Two posts above you, dumb shit.

>>159142179
True but Misato is also really fucking hot. Aside from the great attention to mechanical art, the best thing about Eva

>>159142179
Sure. But stop with the autism.

>>159088752
not really desu senpai

>>159142179
You need to be a girl to be best girl

>>159141853
Being an Oshii fag, I'm totally ok with convoluted, non standard story lines in anime. But whereas Oshii's films are typically thematically interesting, plot dense and politically or philosophically charged. Once you look past Evangelion's artsy hijinks and in insane your face moments, what you get underneath is just a typical mecha anime deconstructed with wacky fantasy show tropes.

Patlabor is a far superior deconstruction of the mecha genre as a whole. The people who worked on this show had the intention to create the most realistic depiction of mecha existing in a real world setting and boy did they succeed. They have made every consideration from the military applications, practical limitations, timeline of technical developments, bureaucracy surrounding the organisations using such machines and technical specifications. This brilliant world is then subtly and meticulously presented to the viewer with a brilliant ensemble of wacky and unique characters and well written stories ranging from slice of life to political thrillers!

>>159142744
In the first few posts of the thread there was some discussion about eva hardly being a full deconstruction and the term is missued by tv trope retards regurgitating what they read. They dont understand that dramatic and depressing doesnt mean deconstruction.

Eva as a whole has many, many liberties with its militaristic setting.

>>159143104
You're likely right. What's for certain is that they tried really fucking hard to try and make Evangelion as much of a special snowflake as possible and they succeeded in many regards. However, being different isn't always a good thing, considering how solid most anime were back then.

Also
Wings of Honneamise>Gurren Lagann>Evangelion

>>159142179
I thought that part was cute in the rebuilds
But they also made Rei a much better girl

>>159144183
Both girls are great in the rebuilds.
Except it is terrible for the series. Eva would be nothing without teen angst.

>>159103610
to be fair not much of any other medium compares to it either

>>159101429
How is Shinji any different from Amuro, or even Kamille?

Anyone wanting to discuss some about the lore?

I rewatched the series recently, and i cant stop thinking that misato character problems were somewhat underwhelming considering all we know.

As the only survivor of second impact, she spent 2 years catatonic. She has seen some SHIT.

And yet her main characteristics end up being sad girl with daddy issues drink and fuck a lot.

They even bring up her supposed hatred for angels, but it seen to hardly play a part at all in 99% of her actions.

its shit

Eva was not intended to be, nor is, a deconstruction of mecha. It's probably too late to stop the spread but this meme needs to be put to death.

Also the stress of the budget/production time running out was one of the best creative incubators toward making Eva a classic.

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>>159144010
The pitch for the show was to increase the number of otaku and ruthlessly appeal to an emerging market Anno was predicting. Anno being the kind of otaku he is, he sold investors on it by promising to recreate the atmosphere of a war game by focusing on operational planning.

>>159147746

In spite of the actual effects of the show, increasing the number and fervor otaku is literally the polar opposite of Eva's main theme which is "go outside you fuckin betas"

>>159149679
Isnt that a hentai known for being ridiculously bad, even for zero budget 90's hentais?

>>159149679
>bootleg porn made by the Chinese
I'll pass.

>>159147209

>underwhelming character issues
>character resorts to multiple sexual advances on a 14 year old due to her inability to communicate or empathize otherwise

>>159151187
Im not saying it was bad, I'm just saying it could have been more.
Maybe add some details like she still has nightmares about the second impact. Make her more paranoid about the angel attacks. Make her more tense about the battles, as she knows what will happen if they lose.

Hell, if she hadn't died in EoE, i would really want to see her reaction to giant naked rei.

>>159151187
Why didn't they fug? Was shinji THAT depressed that he didn't even want snu snu?
Or was it that Kaworu turned him into a faggot?

What exactly is the appeal of Rei? Besides just physical looks/character design.

I really liked the moment in episode episode one when Shinji was holding her, and the one scene when she smiled. But besides those 2 moments she was just quiet and autistic, I don't really understand the fixation on her.
>>159152603
>Hell, if she hadn't died in EoE, i would really want to see her reaction to giant naked rei.

Well everyone "died" besides Shinji before any of the giant Rei's showed up. But she could still see the giant half a head of Rei I suppose if she decides to get out of the tang.

>>159152882 he blocks out everyone because he didn't want to get hurt

Asuka fucking kissed him and he didn't even do anything since all he ever did was do what others told him, until rejecting instrumentality. He blocked out everyone since he didn't want to get hurt.

>>159153220
Because she's quiet and autistic.

>>159152882
Plus she is like 15 years older than him and a drunk roastie slob desu

>>159142285
Don't use characters being likable as a pro or con. Completely irrelevant. Many people found Holden from The Catcher in the Rye unlikable and annoying and angsty too, but that name is recognizable to pretty much everyone because it's still considered a good book because likable or not is irrelevant.

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>>159152882
Shinji rejected everyone except Kaworu.
Yeah, he's a fag.

>>159153567
can't really fault him for getting seduced by an angel when everyone else just yells at him

>>159153614
It's the other way around, Shinji seduced Kaworu. That's why he betrays angelkind.

>>159153220
>Well everyone "died" besides Shinji before any of the giant Rei's showed up.
Fuyuzuki and the assistants were alive till the instrumentality started.

>>159153778
I think I might remember now, a giant Rei showed up at the Magi computer right?

>>159088752
It was ambitious and unique
It failed in a lot of places but it's still better than 99% of uninspired trash

>>159152882
Besides the facf shinji refused to open his heart to other people, heres a fragment of a poem released with death and rebirth that tries to explain shinjis relationships

Ayanami Rei — Bandages. Mysteries. Indifference. An object of interest. Mother.
Soryu Asuka Langley — Girl. Perplexing. Formidable. Indecipherable. Sex.
Katsuragi Misato — Adult. Superior. Meddlesome. Soldier. Family.

Misato is "family", like a sister or an aunt.

>>159154206
And Kaworu is the only one that is love for him

>>159153868
Not sure if it was the magi, but they could see everything through some monitors.

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REMINDER:
MISATO > REI > ASUKA
THIS IS FACT

>>159114503
It's overrated shit but you're missing out if you haven't watched it.

>>159105039
boku no picothis is so you dont realize the title isn't boku no pico just by spoiler length

>>159153654
Angels aren't a faction, they didn't have expectations of him for him to betray. He didn't even betray Seele once he understood what they really intended.

>>159130584
>Thats like saying you ike scifi movies and shows yet not seen star wars or star trek
I do and I haven't.

>>159154580
>almost 30 year old alcoholic roastie slob with daddy issues that tries to fix her emotional issues by filling her holes with cock (and tries to have a 14 year old fill her)
>an clone of some kid's mom with the soul of some fucking god that has autism and can't even smile without someone telling her
>a cute red head that acts angry and mean in order to hide her emotional issues and really just wants someone to hug and be affectionate to her

really difficult choice


Kaji is obviously the best choice since he grows watermelons and will buy you coffee from the vending machine and embarrass misato

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>>159154839
>they didn't have expectations of him for him to betray
He's their progenitor, I'm pretty sure essentially choosing humans over them is betraying them
Unfortunately that also means he's doing exactly what SEELE wants, but he still chose it despite knowing that out of his free will

>>159153654
Kaworu intended to suicide for sake of humanity even before meeting shinji.

>>159155020
He was still second guessing himself as he made his way down to Dogma, meeting Shinji is what made him make up his mind for good

>>159154947
didn't he kiss Shinji in Rebuild 2.0 or something?

>>159155013
>Unfortunately that also means he's doing exactly what SEELE wants
If kaworu dont dies, he will trigger an impact with Adam
If kaworu dies, Seele completes the requirements to triggers Lilith's impact and instrumentality.
Talk about a shitty choice.

>>159152882
>he never been so depressed he didn't even want to have sex because of the feelings of worthlessness
wow check out this fag

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>>159155372

>>159155423
And either way humanity is fucked.
If the angels don't destroy them, they end up destroying each other via instrumentality.

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>>159155372
I haven't watched the rebuild yet but he was just messing with him, no actual kiss.

>>159153220
>implying the moment when she says "I am not a doll" to Gendo in EoE after spending the entire series submitting to him without ever questioning it isn't badass as hell

also she has a whole arc about gradually coming to realise she secretly isn't human and the shock of dealing with that, which is something I hadn't really seen before in any TV or film, including non-anime

and also her nihilistic worldview, same as Kaworu's, is an interesting character point even if it doesn't necessarily progress to anything beyond her being willing to give up her humanity totally to save humanity (by giving the decision of Instrumentality to Shinji rather than Gendo who didn't give a fuck about anyone as long as he could see Yui again, or Seele who wanted a dogmatic Instrumentality individuals couldn't opt out of)

>>159155013
>>159155423
Kaworu doesn't know the truth at any point in episode 24

He thinks Seele see the Angels as being the true heirs to the world (that talk about "the false successors from the black moon and the true successors from the white moon") and they tell him he should find Adam and trigger the destruction of humanity, saying that's the best outcome humanity can hope for- because of alien logic he doesn't twig humans probably don't want to eradicate themselves

The real reason Seele send their pet Angel to Nerv is to destabilise Nerv's confidence and operational authority while also ensuring the last Angel can be destroyed and open the way for them to start Instrumentality uncontested by the Angels. They don't actually want him to find Adam. Kaworu is in the dark to the actual truth behind his being sent the whole time, not that him knowing would have made too much difference because alien logic.


[I think there's a slightly fudged translation in ADV/Sephirotic's subtitles- there's a line about Adam living within Gendo which I think is supposed to say Adam *resides with* Gendo, which makes more sense as Kaworu wouldn't be shocked by the Angel in Terminal Dogma turning out to be Lilith if he already knew the real Adam was within Gendo's body]

>>159155565
why are the Japs so fucking creepy about children
/pol/ always freaks out about Muslim nations and African tribes over pedo shit but it's Japan who probably have the most culturally-engrained pedophilia in the world
>homosexuality is disgusting and dishonourable
>capitalising on homosexuality is a non-issue
>used schoolgirl panty vending machines are A-OK

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>>159155955
I would agree with you if it were not for these two lines Kaworu says:

1. Everything is going as the lilin plan
Right after his conversation with SEELE and looking at Misato

and, 2. This is Lilith? I see. Now I understand lilin.
Right after seeing Lilith.

So I always interpreted this meaning he suspected that SEELE was lying to him from the start, and realized what exactly they were trying to accomplish as soon as he saw Lilith. It all clicked and made sense to him in that moment.

And it is because of that he later makes the statement that lilin need the future far more than him, because their desire to live is far stronger than his.

>>159155575
Given that we see ghost rei in the end of EoE, i dont think her "humanity" is gone. Just added up to all other knowledge she might have known as lilith.

But the arc of realizing she was a clone, the mind fuckery caused by the fact she keeps ressurecting and then realizing what she trully was is pretty cool. I wish we could have actually seen most of it, but nearly everything happens offscreen because its a spoiler heavy development.

>>159135076
Tough contender vs Shinki man

>>159155955
I dont think what seele told him particularly matters.
All he knows is that when he touches adam, the world goes to shit.
He doesnt want that to happen, lilin fascinates him, and he rather die.
Specially because, according to him, "dying or living makes no difference for him" (probably because he knows his adam soul is immortal)

Everyone knows NGE has a large MtF trans audience, right? I've heard a lot of other trans folks say the reason they relate to the series so much is Shinji and his constantly being berated for not being masculine-acting enough, depression, fear of expectations etc.

But to me Rei's confusion about her existence, the inherent otherness that exists between her and the people around her, and her gradual realisation >>159155575 about herself being an eldritch horror that nobody around her can truly comprehend- and that will inevitably lead to her having to leave her old life, and everyone who cares about her, behind- are all way more relatable to me as a trans person specifically compared to Shinji who embodies more general teen depression and social issues imo.

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>>159156460
Evangelion is an SJW's wet dream
They can relate to the women and their fucked up daddy complex problems, the wimpy MC and his gay tendencies, the dyke NERV girl, and the list goes on

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>>159155020
Maybe Karl did. Kaworu intended to free humanity from being alive. His self-debate was about building Evas and resisting not making sense if humans wanted to die as much as he did and Seele said. He didn't humor them, fight to Heaven's Door, and monologue to empty air to put on a show.

>>159155955
>to destabilise Nerv's confidence and operational authority
Pretty sure they expected him to be identified and destroyed immediately. They gave him no coaching to pass for human, a cover identity with just a name and the most suspect DOB they could, even Ritsuko in her detention cell figured it out immediately.

>>159156460
Im not really surprised, specially with the ultimate message being "love yourself", but i dont see why to even bring that point up.

>>159156650
then why did Seele not destroy him themselves if he was raised under their care for so long?
I can't remember if it's explicitly stated anywhere in the materials but isn't there also an implication that Kaworu was created intentionally by Seele as part of the 2000 AD Adam experiments, similar to Rei later being made intentionally by Nerv?

>>159156724
it's just an observation and I was wondering if anyone else here had felt the same thing

>>159156650
I always understood kaworu doing a "prove me you want to live" kind of standoff.
He would rather not die, but if humans can prove they want to live (by fighting back), he would take the fall with no regrets.

>>159156845
Probably at fields.
Cant shoot an angel, needs an EVA
Also he can control any adam derived Eva, such as the mass production series. The only lilith derived eva is with nerv

>>159156845
Yeah, I think they did that to separate Adam's soul from his body since it returns to the embryo after Kowaru dies

What I always wondered is what was Lilith doing before they pulled her soul out to stick in Rei? They didn't have Adam's lance until after Second Impact so she was free. Do they go into hibernation once they're done seeding?

>>159157077
>>159157078
so if we put these two posts together, why did they bother creating him in the first place if they were just going to have to kill him again later? goddamn I know they were trying to be clever and mysterious with the storytelling but they didn't need to leave so much vital lore offscreen out of the closing act of the series entirely

>>159157078
It is a possibility. There is some art of the cloning process of eva 01, there is no lance, but she still in the cross.

I also have my doubts about how much, exactly, is planned and how much is made on the go.
The Adam "contact experiment" that triggered second impact involved mixing human dna with him. Was that how kaworu was born? Was he 100% planned?

What about rei? When did they decided to clone yui? Why yui? When did they decide to put lilith soulnon her? Did they even decided or did it happened because reasons?

>>159104603
Why would a show with major Freudian ideas ever have sexual imagery?

>>159088752
Yes

>>159157195
According to the dead sea scrolls, for lilith instrumentality to happen, all 15 adam related angels must die.
It is implied that seele did the second impact on purpose to create the angels to then kill them. Why is it necessary? Dunno. Magic ancient scrolls.

>>159156845
They don't explicitly state a thing about the creation of Kaworu until you start getting to stuff like Secret of Evangelion and lore for the figure line of genderswapped Angels.

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>>159157378
>freud = sex
Someone clearly didn't do their research.

>>159157359
a lot of people think that yes, the "DNA donor" experiment that woke up Adam was what created Kaworu

>>159157359
Creating Rei was Gendo's decision alone, as part of his obsession with reuniting with Yui, that's why she's a clone of her. As for her purpose within Gendo's plan, being a child, she's probably seen by Gendo as easier to manipulate into doing Third Impact on his terms and granting his wish.

It's implied most of Nerv except Ritsuko, Gendo and Maya aren't aware of Rei's true nature, certainly not Misato or the other bridge bunnies. Maya is held closer in Gendo's circle of confidence for some reason and also appears to know about Seele, Lilith's location etc. which the rest of the Nerv underlings don't.

>>159108454
Anno read actually psychology books in preparation for directing Eva, but evidently he only read Freud's work. Every dude wants to fuck his mommy, every chick wants to fuck her daddy.

Remember that time Shinji got seduced by a naked apparition of his mother? Or literally everything about Rei?

>>159154947
>almost 30 year old alcoholic roastie slob with daddy issues that tries to fix her emotional issues by filling her holes with cock (and tries to have a 14 year old fill her)
>implying that's a bad thing.

>>159155020

Fake news. If Kaworu had found Adam in the basement he would have killed everyone

The way I look at it, every time you watch through Eva you get something new out of it. You'll notice this or that detail for the first time, or you'll notice how stuff links together here and there. To me, that's what makes it such a good show.

>>159159709
If you're into scraps than thats gud 4u then.

>>159090568
Isn't Kare Kano the one where the mangaka said the anime was so awful an adaptation they wanted nothing to do with it

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>>159160176
And stuff that doesn't link together.

>>159161007
It is and the mangaka is one clueless bitch.

TV Ending > EoE

>>159159441
He also read Jung.
I will go as far to say he was a fan of both authors work even before Eva.

Gunbuster has a character named Jung Frued, even though there is quite nothing about either.

>>159161508
It is radically different in many, many ways, but i find it carthatic to finally see that bunch of fuck ups finally sitting down and talking about their problems.

>CTRL+F "deconstr"
>1 of 29 matches
TVTropes was a mistake.

>>159161394
Agreed

>>159107061
Misato is what asuka turns into, but I agree asuka was the best.

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>>159162723
Asuka worst case scenario is much worse than misato.
Asuka would end up as a sociopath getting people on her way either killed or ruining their lives.

It's just okay I guess, if not a tad overrated. Extremely dated when you compare it to the likes of say, Sakura Quest, example.

Rose tinted glasses and all that

>>159162723
I disagree, Misato and Asuka have different problems. Misato fucks around because she wants to feel needed. She threw away the one meaningful relationship she had due to Kaji reminding her of her father, so she tries to make up for it with sex.

Asuka puts up a facade of false bravado and is mean because she wants to be seen as an adult. When she is rejected by Kaji before leaving for Japan, she is freaks out, exposes her bra because of him saying she is still a child and that sex can wait. She thinks that sex will make her more of an adult.

She tries to be fiercely independent and the best at everything she does to try to cope with the feeling of abandonment due to her mother's death.

First her mother went insane from a test with eva unit 2, saw a doll as her daughter and considered asuka to just be "that girl". Then she ends up finding her mother's dead body after she committed suicide. Her mother also tried to strangle her at one point.

What she really wants is someone to care about her, during the kiss with Shinji, she wanted him to initiate the kiss. When he failed to initiate it, she held his nose because she wanted him to do react, like caress her during the kiss. This is also seen during the "impenetrable wall of Jericho" scene, in reality during the battle of Jerchio, the wall fell down. She at least subconsciously wanted him to show that he cared by initiating. Neither she or Shinji had the courage to try and initial the relationship.

Once Shinji rejects instrumentality is when he and Asuka finally realize their feelings for one another.

All Asuka really needs is some cuddles.

>>159163188
i forgot to tag you in this post as well >>159165118
>>159161646
>>159161394
Are you trying to prove failure in continuity with that picture? Because the first and second pieces of dialogue are literally one after another. Misato says she broke up with Kaji and joined Nerv to try and have a clean start, but she later found out her father was working for them. She didn't join Nerv knowing that her father was involved so there is not continuity issue with that.

>>159097178
Why the fuck do people call eva a deconstruction of mecha? Mecha has made a point of how shitty piloting a robot is since 0079 and before that.

>>159165175
Nerv was founded in 2008 from Gehirn. Her dad technically never worked for Nerv, but since Gehirn and Nerv are pretty much the same it's not really a continuity error.

>>159101429
The exact same thing happens to Amuro dickhead. He feels an intense disconnect from his mother since she can't identify with him as a soldier, and Amuro can't reconnect with his father because he goes loopy from oxygen deprivation.

>>159165323
Gehirn was the secret the Artificial Evolution Laboratory fronted for, neither existed in Dr. Katsuragi's lifetime and Misato wasn't aware of Seele yet. She didn't learn of the Adam connection until the end of that very episode.

Anyone else think the End of End of Evangelion is is actually a very happy ending?

>>159167372
>Very happy
Not VERY. I think its optimistic. I hope shinji will grow as a character and finally overcome his depression and incapacity to open up to other people. Same for asuka.
If the instrumentality isnt enough of an epiphany, then nothing will change them.
But it wont be necessarily EASY. Their recovery is a hard road to follow, but i personally hope and think they will succeed.

Anyway, it is mostly a personal interpretation.

>>159165901
He was essentially working for the same people misato is, for the same objectives.

>>159169118
Optimistic would be a better word for what I was trying to say.

When I was hearing about the ending through stuff online I was expecting some sort of shit show like Mass Effect 3 or something. I was pretty satisfied and optimistic once I actually watched it though now that people could chose whether or not to they want to return again. As well as Shinji deciding to start connecting with people as well as Asuka.

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>>159114382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUamHEvVQy0

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>>159124848
nani the fuck desu

I was never able, no matter how many times I've tried, to get into Evangelion purely because I dislike almost everyone in it. I can recognize it's fantastically designed and put together, but I can't personally a single motherfucker in this show. They're not bad characters, but they're not good people. I've more contented myself to reading on other people who have watched it as opposed to slogging my way through it myself.

That and the bleak, miserable tone of the world and the story, especially in the second half, sucks away any desire I have to see what happens, or care. I end up not caring about what happens to any of them. Miserable things happen to miserable people who've lead miserable lives until they're all turned into Jesus goo and might not be miserable anymore. Might, but probably not.

I still sort of like Rei, though, for this reason. She's the only one who's development through the show seems to be "gain independence, drive, and a personality" as opposed to everyone else's which is variations of "complete mental breakdown. Still, she becomes Jesus goo too, or something, but it's better than nothing.

>>159173032
I didnt quite get it. Did you watched and get into it, or just couldnt finish it? Anyway

>They're not bad characters, but they're not good people.
Its the point of the show, but i guess you cant be forced to like it.
I particularly love a dysfunctional cast.

And it is executed well, too. I went to EoE knowing very little, except that it is supposed to be "depressing" (it really wasnt), and i didnt actually feel bad for any of the deaths. And thats really rare for me.
I found their deaths to be fitting, a proper conclusion of many of their arcs.

>>159173032
I can see why the show gets the reputation as something for edgelords all the time, If you don't have or had some issues then you miss out on a lot of the experience.

After watching it recently, its probably my favorite piece of media I can really think of. The characters are really really well written. I could understand the motivations and relate to all of the characters in some way or another, especially Shinji.

The bleak,miserable tone and fucked up characters make sense considering Hideaki Anno was going through depression as well as the themes of anti-escapism in the show.

>>159172379
Thank you.

>>159157679
It's shown in the show how he was made.
Putting DNA into Adam during Second Impact.

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Lets have a laugh. most of this is completely true tho

>>159156520
nah, SJW never had it as hard as the charas from evangelion. They are usually spoiled children from first world countries that are used at getting their way.

>>159153567
>>159153614
You faggs do not understand the term of platonic love do you?
Shinji was really alone at that moment and Kaworu was the only one in a long time that had been completely kind to him and was willing to listen to him.
But fucking murricans and faggs want to appropriate that bullshit.

>>159144010
>Wings of Honneamise>Gurren Lagann>Evangelion
>Gurren Laggan

this fucking pleb, you need to gas yourself.

I watched about 50-70 animes but NGE isn't one of them. Am I a normal /a/non?

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>>159142179
yes she was, also hoping she and shinji get to hold hands, kiss and maybe shagg in the next rebuild. They are in serious need of doing so.

>>159176985
Not really. Why dont you sit down and watch one of the best animes?

>>159176240
>SEELE = Elders of Zion
sides obliterated [spoiler' cause it's tru :^) [/spoiler]

>>159176927
>>159153614 I was memeing you faggot

>>159177069
wew gonna get killed for messing up that spoiler tag

>>159177036
I think if a huge number of people likes something I often dislike it.

>>159177069
I dont think anno actually meant anything by making seele, but a secret jewish society ruling the UN and trying to destroy the world is just too funny to ignore.

>>159177013
I have a thing for pregnancy related story-developments.
It doesnt even need actual sex, just give any bullshit explanation.