DRAGON BALL SUPER

>>158980404
Wait until the thread reaches page 10 retard

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>>158980290
>More like when is Heroes going to introduce Broly Black Along with Legendary Super Saiyan Rose Broly Black
There's already a Karoli Black in a LSS-SSR hybrid form

>>158980404
a'igh so if Blue is Super Saiyan + Saiyan God, what exactly is Rose

Is it just using nothing but divine ki for a Super Saiyan change, instead of mantling it with Blue or what

>>158980422
that's actually kind of neat

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>>158980404
maximum agi

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>>158980404
Reminder that Thot Fans need to be eradicated

Do you guys think that they consider toy sells when choosing which characters to bring back and shit?
I mean like, if Vegito Blue sold like a billion toys wouldn't they want to bring him back?

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>leaks say Goku goes Rose as his new change
>God knows that'll look awful in his orange gi

AND YET WHAT IF

>>158980446
Read the fucking manga
SSR is the SSGSS form of someone who already had a divine status even without god forms

>>158980446
>a'igh so if Blue is Super Saiyan + Saiyan God, what exactly is Rose
Rose is the same as Blue, except the user has the "status" of a god, which I assume equates to some godly position such as Kai or GoD.

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Super Saiyan God of Destruction when?

>>158980482
yeah no I mean what would that mean for Goku to achieve

would it mean he's nothing but raw divine power juiced up by Saiyan transformations

>>158980475
where is the leak

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It's really annoying. Everybody knows that U7 beat U6 in the last tournament, yet U6 ranked higher than U7. Even Beerus is more powerful than Champa.

Not to mention Zeno sama saw that too.
>Toei fucked up as usual

>>158980510
>>158980510
>>158980510
There is no leak. Just retards copying discussion from 2ch.

>>158980537
fucking gay

>>158980531
man could you just discuss this stupid awful show instead of bait for once

it's 4am dude nobody cares

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>>158980404

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>>158980437
>"Karori Burakku Densetsu no Suupaa Saiyajin-Suupaa Saiyajin Goddo Suupaa Saiyajin"

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>>158980404
Reminder that Son Goku is beautiful.

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>>158980580
english motherfucker ! do you know it?

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>>158980475
why does vegeta never get the new form first lads.
he never beats the big bad.
always jobs to the big bad.
why is life as a vegeta fan soo hard.
will it ever get better?

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>>158980600
Tori doesn't like Vegeta

>>158980600
He was the first one to achieve SS Grade 2 and the first one to realize that Grade 3 was shit

>>158980580
>/co/shit

Considering that the difference between SSG and SSB isn't really big I wouldn't be surprised if SSG Vegetto is stronger than SSB Gogeta
"Broli God" a shit

>>158980577
>SS3 Broly coming back for Dokkan
>Broly Super Saiyan God coming to ride
>Broly Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan action figure
>LSS2 and SS4 (and LSS3) in Heroes

Broly Black and LSSR Broly Black when?

>>158980656
SS3, SS4 Goku Black and Rose Ape first.

>>158980656
There's a SSGSS Broly figure?

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Anyone remember over a decade ago on the internet when you would type SS or SS2 or SS3 and Pedros would crawl out of the wood-work and type 'akshully it's SSJ not SS you baka gaijin puto because in nippon they call it SUPA SAIYAJIN and therefore they also correctly abbreviate it 'SSJ' which is the correct way to spell it, also SSJ4 is my favorite transformation becuz GT es mejor!!!!!'?

It's funny how now that they got called out for their rampant fucking autism about being incorrect they now go apeshit and type 'lol who cares puto' when they were the fucktards that used to spam how 'ssj' was the correct way to abbreviate and how we were all dumb americans.

Suck it, Pedros.

>>158980600
Ok so, he has the best wife possible in all of Dragon Ball, his son is pretty great considering his future self, he now has Bulla who will go Blue at the age of 0.2, he's the Prince of All Saiyans and possibly God of them as well once U6 gets around to letting him in, is second only to carrot cake, he has access to endless wishes, the attention of the angels, I mean fuck who gives a shit if he's 2nd

He's won every other category

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>>158980656
Fusions basically did that already. It's a fusion with Black, but the personality is all Black anyway.

>>158980681
No, it's just LSS Broly in his "A type" version

>>158980723
>Legendary Rose fusion

you know a funny way to callback to Cell would be an insane Zamasu who just kept forcing permanent fusions with more and more Saiyans from other timelines, until he's just a screaming mass of power constantly fluxing between states as he fights to not just tear himself apart

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Would you..?

>>158980671
will he have healing powers

>>158980720
Kid trunks will never be Future trunks and Bulla is a future scientist/ceo of capsule corpse and not a fighter.

>>158980804
apparently

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>>158980720
Vegeta is the best family man

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>>158980830
his waifu was a slut thou

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>>158980671
>movie reference

broly confirmed

>>158980897
Broly always was confirmed, though he's probably going to be preorder DLC

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>>158980671
Beautiful

>>158980885
Yamcha nobody wants you

Now stand on the roof with Bulma, Puar, and Oolong, and talk about your lives together since Goku as you hit baseballs out into the yard as you all agree you're probably going to cease existing in an hour

>>158980897
>thinking they wouldn't put Broly in the game
He's a staple of Dragon Ball fighting games anon

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"Yoshifumi Fukushima was a mistake" You cannot prove me wrong...

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>>158980671
I WANT IT
I WANT IT
I WANT IT

>>158980584
GO TO SLEEP FAGGOT.

>>158980671
Tenshinhan and Krillin basically confirmed to make it to the roster....

Showing that much respect to the humans is enough for me to buy it.

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*teleports behind you*

>>158981102
Jiren I approve of the new look

>>158981102
>those hands
underrated waifu though

>>158981102
>those quality hands though

>>158981174
What do you mean her hanLORD ALMIGHTY

>>158981102
her dub voice gets me rock hard

>>158981102
Is that girl Donald Trump's secret daughter?
she has very tiny hands joke...

>>158981003
You forgot the Roshi episode

>>158981284
It's right next to Majin Buu sleeping dumbass...
Or did I miss a joke?

>>158981291
impressive and depressing at the same time

>>158981291
Now THAT'S what I call a Goku wanker

>>158981291
wonder how he felt about goku's character assassination in super

>>158981278
what? memes are off these days...

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>>158981291
>Mtw 60% of all the figures are Goku

>>158981330
I think he means the Yurin thing.

>>158981411
ooooh...

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>>158981403
who were the 40% ?

>>158981458
botan

>>158981403
60% Goku
10% Roshi
5% Freeza
25% other stuff

>>158981491
who is that guy? and is he stronger that bumblebee gohan?

>>158980723

This pleases my inner 12 year old, he looks kinda cool.

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>>158981573
Are you fags ready for Platinum Cell?

>>158981610
gaaaaay

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>>158980404
This man is stronger than Arale and the reason Dragon Ball exist
Say something nice to him

>>158981664
>using gay as an insult in 2017

>>158981656
platinum mad maybe

This has probably been discussed to death but I miss dyke Videl who kicked ass and wanted Gohans nerdy/cell beating dick. Not this housewife bullshit.

>>158981707
Post your face when you got the info
main reason why Cell wasn't chosen
was because it's too much hard work to
animate his fucking spots

>>158981656
Isnt that Freeza or Cooler colour?

>>158981694
EAT SHIT YAMCHA

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reminder that if you become the god of destruction , you have to rely on this incompetent flying fuck not getting himself killed.

>>158981731
me too buddy

>>158981760
Meta-Cooler had a blue tint in his colour fyi

>>158981776
Reminder that Beerus' existence makes the Buu Arc entirely nonsensical.

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>>158981776

>Frieza is going to do this ridiculous convoluted plan to get rid of Beerus and become a God of Destruction
>he succeeds
>Goku tells him about having to rely on the Supreme Shota to not die
>meanwhile Beerus spends the rest of eternity at Bulma's mansion eating

>>158981838
When you nut for the 2nd time but
she just keep sucking

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>All these waifufags fapping to the new fighter girls when perfection already exists

>>158980822
he will surely based on the garbage anime trunks, so he'll have bullshit genkidama sword and super saiyan asspull

>>158981999
Design-wise he's based on Z Trunks and we know that he has a cutscene super with the lame heat dome, so he might not even get those moves from the Super anime.

>>158981291
is that toyotaro's room?

>>158981993
MILKY

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>>158980404
For a second I thought Gogeta was canon

>>158982021
all i want is vegeta with the ssg to ssb transformation and 0.1s timeskip hit

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Defend this

>>158982088
Why would you want nuVegetto to be canon?

>>158982107
nah tribal you can do it

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>>158982140
Pedro, get lost.

>>158982107
goku uses 100% of his energy to use a cheap version of beerus' teechnique, which is a technique he saw and was probably taught by whis (he said he wasn't gonna train them if they didn't accept becoming gods of destructions, so he's showing them techniques), the same goku that learned the kamehame wave when he was a kid, saw it only once and had no ki control.

>>158982177
Then I guess Trunks learned Genkidama from watching Ningentube and because he's smart he immediately decided to combine it with his sword hilt.

>>158982177
You don't need to go in depth for that.

Goku has god ki, so why can't he use god powers?

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>>158981291

Wow.
Low estrogen is not the most likely factor to cause vaginal dryness, your room is.

>>158982107

No, i lost faith in the manga when Zamasu used his all mighty powers to throw rocks at people.

>trunks apologists

>>158982177
>>158982216
A) Stop biting the bait
B) Stop justifying shit writing, have some standards

>>158982216
Trunks has pure heart so I guess that explains him being able to use Spirit Bomb Sword.

>>158982209
trunks never saw the genkidama, how he pulled that off is beyond me, he had the energy of 20 people and 2 sayans that had no energy left and still managed to kill an immortal god.
Inb4 "goku n vegete gave im enegry!!!!"
Reminder that in the buu saga gohan (who was stronger than buu) with the other z fighters gave goku energy and it still wasn't enough.
and let's not talk about the super sayan asspull stronger than ssgsskaiokenx10
>it took goku the martial arts genius 1 day to perfect the mafuba, trunks does it after watching video

>>158982209
I never got the huge complaint about that. It seemed to be that it formed sporadically above him and he just jumped into it, not that he necessarily formed it himself.

>>158982321
Same reason Goku can use a Hakai: PiS and asspulls.

>>158982291
i'm biting your bait now; explain what's shit writing
>>158982279
imagine the densest material in the universe (like you) thrown at incredibly high speeds

>>158982321
And Goku never saw Hakai, so I guess they're even asspulls.

>>158982325
The genkidama didn't have enough energy
>>158982348
>goku has god ki
>"but why is he able to use god techniques that "gods" (who are really just mortal people who got trained in those technique and way of fighting) use???"

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>>158982366

>imagine the densest material in the universe (like you) thrown at incredibly high speeds

Imagine if he actually used god like powers that looked cool and amazing. You know, since this is DBZ where people fight by shooting laser beams at each other.

If he was going to throw that metal at Goku at least he should've done it in an awesome way, like when Frieza threw a fucking mountain at Goku.

Why didn't Zamasu just throw Kachi Kachin steel at Goku instead of regular Katchin?

>>158982366
>explain what's shit writing

An ability that the entire fan-base had previously assumed to be a GoD-ability being callously used mid-combat with no prior build up towards or backdrop towards gaining.
It devalues the concept of a GoD by removing what was presumed to be a trademark ability and lessens their stature, and given GoDs are what kicked off Super to begin with, their thematic stature is quite important.
Goku had also, in the manga, shown a rejection towards becoming the new GoD. Which is a direct contrast with the notion that he would quietly train to perfect an ability that they seem to have.
You could use the "he had God Ki" excuse, but that's still a fairly flimsy one. And however you rationalize it, it's VERY shoddy writing on Toyo's part that subverts the importance of an importance group of character.

>imagine the densest material in the universe (like you) thrown at incredibly high speeds

It was pretty bad. Like, I get that you have to defend the manga, but fuck me it was a waste of Zamasu's power-set.

>>158982366
>>158982409
Look, Zamasu is the school shooter of Dragonball Villains

his autistic ass just wanted to shoot up the ningen bullies he couldnt stop to think about how to actually be effective at it

>>158982424
Because he's more of a ningen then ningen themselves.

>>158982424
Grand Priest > Merged Zamasu.

>>158982177
>>158982216
>>158982366
>>158982404
I borderline pity these retards who feel the need to defend Toyo constantly.
Like, animecucks openly rop the shitshow to pieces. You guys are getting feces stuffed down your throats and all you can retort with is "th-thanks!".

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>>158982396
He saw it offscreen
>inb4 "but we don't know if he saw it we never saw the two of them being in the same room when beerus hakai'd something"
Do you need everything served to you on a silver plate?

>>158982396
>so I guess they're even asspulls.

No, hakai's definitely a more detrimental asspull. It's not even a debate. Anyone with two braincells will acknowledge this blatantly.
It's why Toyofags don't.

>>158981776
So if Goku killed that fag when he interrupted his fight with Majin Vegeta, Beerus would have died in his sleep?

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>>158982435
>An ability that the entire fan-base had previously assumed
>Assumed
There, you answered yourself, gods are mortals and are garbage in the pecking order, they are below everything, only "ningens" are inferior to them (which they were at some point"
>Goku had also, in the manga, shown a rejection towards becoming the new GoD. Which is a direct contrast with the notion that he would quietly train to perfect an ability that they seem to have.
Jesus christ the speedreading is real
>pic related: Borrow
He never used it before or tried it

>there are STILL people defending "HAKAI"

It's sad when fanboys can't admit when their guy fucked up.

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How do I achieve pic related goal body, /a/?

>Vegeta...apparently I have Hakai powers!

will goku have hakai in dragonball fighter z

>>158981993
>TFW they fucking ruined his voice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tbj6HfXOjU

This is some awful dubbing, why make a comedy character sounds like an edgy dying old man

I hope this shit voice isnt in the games

>>158982571
skip calf day

>>158982589
It is but he does more of that whiny voice toward the end for comedic effect.

>>158982560
>There, you answered yourself, gods are mortals and are garbage in the pecking order, they are below everything, only "ningens" are inferior to them (which they were at some point"

Barely a functional retort, but I'll bat it down, anyway. GoDs may be garbage in the pecking order but they're above mortals, and as such, the entire fanbase had come to use the term "Hakai" as something synonymous with them and their role.
Toyo throwing such a big ability on Goku is a LOT of potential foreshadowing with ZERO build-up in the plot. It gains him an incredibly important new ability that he had showed no prior incentive to learn or even want to learn. It didn't detail the road to such an important place whatsoever or the mechanics therein, and that's bad writing that devalues GoDs.

>Jesus christ the speedreading is real

Not gonna fish for the scan but, basically: "not an argument.

>He never used it before or tried it

Aaaaaand?

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Jiren is just a copycat

>>158982640
>This art

Jesus fucking christ

>>158982589
Rewatch that scene in the original. He was doing an evil voice there too. The whole thing is kind of nonsensical, since his original goal for gathering the SDBs is never even revealed.

>>158982589
>ruined
both voices are horrible

>>158982633
>Toyo throwing such a big ability on Goku is a LOT of potential foreshadowing with ZERO build-up in the plot. It gains him an incredibly important new ability that he had showed no prior incentive to learn or even want to learn. It didn't detail the road to such an important place whatsoever or the mechanics therein, and that's bad writing that devalues GoDs.
literally master roshi 2.0, goku learned the kamehame wave by seeing it and it became one of his staples, devaluating master roshi's kamehame wave.
>>Aaaaaand?
>Which is a direct contrast with the notion that he would quietly train to perfect an ability that they seem to have.
> notion that he would quietly train to perfect an ability that they seem to have.

>>158982693
There wouldn't be any problem, though it would still be jarring, if we saw Goku seeing Hakai, but we never do. The only time we see Hakai in the manga, Goku isn't present. You simply can't have the MC pull a technique that was assumed to be GoD only, with literally no buildup or foreshadowing, it's just bad writing.
And for the meme picture "All you gotta do is destroy a few planets once in a while!" destroying =/= using Hakai.

>>158982366
You wanna know what's shit writing? Just go ask Toyotaro then.

>>158982473
No but I prefer things not being 1 panel asspulls.

>>158982640
>>158982653
Uchiyama was such a shitty animator

>>158982467
>animecucks openly rop the shitshow to pieces.
No they don't. Stop lying toeishill.

>>158980506
Goku would be 100% unable to achieve Rose because of his Saiyan soul. Zamasu swapped souls with Goku 10, and so was able to bring his natural god ki into his body, thus his transformation is Rose instead of Blue.

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Anons, seriously, WHY DOES Toei Animation keep this Yoshifumi Fukushima guy, even though he is responsible for 90% of all terrible episodes?

>>158982693
>literally master roshi 2.0, goku learned the kamehame wave by seeing it and it became one of his staples, devaluating master roshi's kamehame wave.

Master Roshi was a mentor to be surpassed.
Beerus' arc is far more prolonged and his stature far more important.

>>Which is a direct contrast with the notion that he would quietly train to perfect an ability that they seem to have.
>> notion that he would quietly train to perfect an ability that they seem to have.

So he managed to grasp it with NO PRIOR EFFORT?
Congratulations you poked another hole in your logic.

It's genuinely pathetic you're jumping through such hoops to defend honest-to-god garbage writing. Where do your standards for a good story lie? The Hungry Caterpillar or Harry Potter?

>>158982846
Oh stop this tribal bullshit you child. You're a delusional simpleton if you think that when the majority of these threads were panning FTrunks gay friendship sword it was miraculously everyone BUT the dreaded animefags.
The same thing's happening now: people saw bullshit and are calling it. The only difference is you seem to lack the humour and temperament to be able to criticize something you like, and thus are resorting to insisting that every demographic in /a/'s DBS threads act EXACTLY as would fit your view.
Grow up, nobody cares about your fictional food-fight.

>>158982750
he did the same thing with roshi, he even stated that it took him 50 years to master the kamehame wave.
Just because it happened off screen doesn't meen it's bad writing, do you need everything to be seen? goku doens't shit since we never saw him do it in the manga
>assumed to be god only
>assumed
don't confuse headcanon with canon

>>158981606
not canon anymore

>>158982798
>i prefer
be objective

>>158982750
"Destroy" is "Hakai" though, as in the same word, which is why Toyotaro made a throwback to Goku's comment in that early conversation.

Of course, I guess you could argue that he's just retrofitting and the original context wasn't meant to be a reference to the technique called 'Hakai", just standard destruction in general. Even if that's true though, it's a fairly elegant move, although it loses the impact due to translations going with different word choices.

>>158982560
Not him, but let me btfo out of (You), too.
I'll spell it out real simple:
>Goku's journey to meet and surpass GoD levels is one of Super's trademarks
>Goku casually throwing a Hakai he had never been shown to train with before is NOT an acceptable staple of progression, merely one that undermines the bar he is to meet
>Thus Beerus and GoDs seem less like unique characters and more like goofs

>my asspull is better than your asspull
tards

>>158982917
yes, he managed to grasp it with no prior effort like the kamehame wave
inb4 "That doens't count he wuz a mentor!!!"
So is whis, he's training them

>>158980600
He got the maximum gains ssj form first. You know, the useless one. Just like him.

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>>158982903
Weekly reminder that Tenshinhan is beautiful

>>158982930
>just because it happened off screen doesn't meen it's bad writing
Sure, it's bad writing because we NEVER see Goku see the Hakai, we never see him train, we literally see it one time, when Goku isn't even there, it's a technique that literally destroys the soul so it's really safe to assume it's a god of destruction only thing (destroying souls? Come on, that's not something that should be learnt by a mortal. Also inb4 "headcanon xD"),etc. Stop defending shit.

>>158982292
Not happened in the manga, the fuck are you talking about?

>>158982984
>>assumed to be god only
>>assumed
>don't confuse headcanon with canon

TERRIBLE retort.
It WAS assumed to be GoD-only. Headcanon or not, that was the perception that the fanbase DID HAVE.
Toyo smashing that perception in such a lazy, disinterested way is BAD WRITING.

>>158982984
>yes, he managed to grasp it with no prior effort like the kamehame wave
Bad writing.
>So is whis, he's training them
Does Whis have Hakai?
Because if you're pulling the "Whis is a mentor" card, he must have Hakai, right?
No, he does not. Which means Goku learned a technique that didn't even belong to his mentor, it belonged to his mentor's other (FAR MORE POWERFUL) pupil who sits around doing jack shit, thus invalidating the Roshi parallel.

>>158982993
He has never trained in hakai you fucking retard, he only saw it and replicated it, just like the kamehameha.
>destroys a soul
You are one of those anime retards that only read chapter 25 of the manga
it was never stated in the manga to be soul destroying, it's only an attack

>>158983055
>Does Whis have Hakai?
Because if you're pulling the "Whis is a mentor" card, he must have Hakai, right?
angels train gods of destruction

>>158983058
>he only saw it and replicated it
So he saw it off-screen, and replicated it with literally zero prior build-up or foreshadowing, and this is somehow not bad writing?

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>>158983058
>it's only an attack

>>158982693
>>158982984
>>158983058

>it's not bad writing because Goku never trained in it
>I am equating Goku learning a technique from a hundreds powerlevel scrub at the start of the series to him learning a technique so lethal the entire fandom presumed it to be pure-deity exclusive
>despite Goku having no interest in becoming GoD

Your LITERAL argument right now is that because Goku saw it happen when WE WEREN'T SHOWN and used it WITH NO BUILD that it's not bad writing.
Assess yourself please, you've been written into a corner and beaten.

>>158983090
And Whis has never shown to have Hakai.
If you think he does, that's headcanon.

>>158983093
it is

>>158983135
it was never stated in the manga to be only an attack, it's soul destroying

>>158983093
HE PROTEC BUT HE ALSO ATTAC

>>158983121
i am equating goku learning a technique that required ki control while he had 0 ki control, and he was 12
Goku had 50 years of experience and god ki in the black arc
>And Whis has never shown to have Hakai.
If you think he does, that's headcanon.
TERRIBLE retort

>>158983201
true shit

>>158983204
>while he had 0 ki control
The second page of Dragon Ball shows him getting shot in the head with a pistol and surviving with only a bruise. Ki control is innate for him.

>>158983177
never stated in the manga

>>158983204
>i am equating goku learning a technique that required ki control while he had 0 ki control, and he was 12
>Goku had 50 years of experience and god ki in the black arc

And him learning a very important ability that defines a very important sub-cast of characters with zero backdrop, build towards the moment or hint of progression is still awful writing.
You're literally defending not being shown anything and something that should have been a fairly landmark moment in the manga (Goku first ascending to true godly heights for the first time) just HAPPENING as if it's unimportant.
Sorry man, that's shoddy writing. FTrunks spirit bomb was some bullshit, but that was some self-contained bullshit that died with the arc, thankfully. This is something that will linger and continue to do character-damage.

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Cute

>>158983247
that's the point he had no ki control, just like how the sayians who came to earth weren't able to sense ki or lower it to 0
It was innate because that was his standard ki/powerlevel, he always had ke, he was just never able to control it
same goes with sayians when they're born, they aren't all born with a powerlevel of 1

>>158982519
yes , that´s why beerus wasn´t around to stop zamasu in the future

gods of destuction and only exist alongside their respective kaioshins

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Love him. Praise him. Worship him.

>>158983256
>"I will not believe something unless it's stated to me"
>"But Goku learning a technique off-the-fly that I will assert he saw off-screen is acceptable"

>>158981830
Explain

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>>158983364
Bring on the questions so I can get that heart piece

>super has been a treasure trove for furfags

>Arguing over irrelevant DBS manga shit
lol
Still, as if Goku using Hakai is worse than Trunks cutting Zamasu in two with the genkidama power of a whooping 20 survivors on earth

>>158983454
As explained above, it is.
Sorry, Toyocuck. You lose.

It's sad that non-canon shit is more interesting than the canon shit. Why can't we get the Toei writers from the movies working on Super?

>>158982589
Sounds like Ocean Dub Vegeta that smoked too much and Jessie from Pokemon.

>>158983454
genkidama draws from all living matter , including plants and shit

>>158980622
What? Vegeta delusions got onto your head or something? While Vegeta was thinking he was wrecking Perfect Cell with his protein mutant form, Goku was in the chamber with Gohan telling his son how utterly useless that form was.

>>158983395
that comparison makes no sense, do you know that?
you're comparing someone never stating that a technique removes from existence (which only comes from the anime) to a technique that goku stated to have already seen (which is extremely plausible since him and vegeta trained with whis (vegeta has seen the technique too)

>>158983454
Thematically yes, it's much worse.

>>158983573
No I was just underlining the double-think.

>>158983552
Everything was destroyed.
Then why was goku's genkidama not enough against kid buu? he even got the energy of someone stronger than him (super gohan) adn the z fighters

>>158982663
He wanted to restore earth.

>>158983598
Zamasu was hugely weakened.
Goku and Vegeta are also people stronger than Trunks, lending the last of their godly reserve to his efforts.
It was bullshit, but not Hakai-bullshit.

>>158983641
goku adn vegeta had no energy, how were they able to make a genkidama many times stronger than zamasu?
as i already said, the energy of all the z warriors and GOHAN WHO WAS STRONGER THAN BUU was not wnough to beat buu

>>158983499
Dragon Ball Super doesn't have a canon just two different continuities: Toei and Toyotaro. Which does /a/ like better? Make a poll. Not like it matters.

>>158983598
it was strong enough , but goku was to weak to properly push it onto buu

>>158983641
This. And i used to be a Toyotarofag since I prefered the manga over the anime pre-Black Arc

>>158983701
>was not wnough to beat buu

But it literally beat Buu.

>>158982917
Stop lying Toeishill. I can go to reddit right now and show you threads of people praising even the absolute worst anime episodes
I can show you posts on Kanzenshuu of people defending the absolute worst moments of the anime

You're a lying shill, plain and simple.

Do you think Black Goku Space-time rift clone producing mess will be explained by the World of Void, or they'll never explain it ?

>>158983779
>I can show you posts on Kanzenshuu of people defending the absolute worst moments of the anime

Do it. I dare you.

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Leave U7 to me.

>>158983779
>I can show you posts on Kanzenshuu of people defending the absolute worst moments of the anime

I'd actually like you to do that, that sounds funny.
I was referring to the /a/ threads, so it would be COMPLETELY fruitless for your little point about "m-muh toeishills", but go ahead. Waste your time for my abusement, bucko.

>>158983759
he was pushing it back, if goku had not been able to give his own to it it would've not beaten buu, he was able to push it back

>>158983834
>I was referring to the /a/ threads, so it would be COMPLETELY fruitless for your little point about "m-muh toeishills
...people in this very thread are defending the Trunks asspull you pathetic lying bastard. The falseflaggers like you are the absolute worst of these threads, at least the mangacucks and Toeishills are open with their bias.

>Gocuckgeta and Broly fags only hope of being relevant is through Chinese amusement parks

KEK

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>Toyocucks autistically screeching

Like clockwork.

>>158983861
He was able to push it back because Goku was not strong enough to push it forth.
It's like a push-and-pull system. Even if the power is easily enough to destroy Buu, if Buu overpowers Goku by a large enough margin, he'd be able to push it back.
And Goku was FUCKED at that point, so it's not unreasonable.

>>158983867
>...people in this very thread are defending the Trunks asspull you pathetic lying bastard

Yeah, they were. So?
There are people that defend every flavour of bullshit.
All I said was that it's ridiculously butthurt of (You) to claim that ALL of that defense was from [x subset of people] and they could never ever make any complaint about it as that is what fits your view of how the entire populace of these threads act.
Though, considering your childish ranting, that level of fury is the norm for you.

>>158981776
Piccolo looks like such a pussy for giving up to this useless fuck now, holy shit.

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God, this is fucking disgusting...

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>>158983798
Toeishills make all sorts of excuses for the anime but shit on the manga for the smallest things

Pretending only manga fans do this is a flat out lie

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Leave Jiren to me.

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>toeitaro cucks

>>158983939
KEK it's pathetic how you're trying to change your argument now
First it was "only mangacucks have to defend everything Toyo does"
Now you're saying "i-it's wrong to label an entire group!"

Holy kek, you can't even keep your arguments in check. You're a toeishill, plain and simple

both asspulls are retarded and so are you for continuing to argue about them

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>>158983953
>I-its just a homage I swear
>it's a mistranslation
>h-he's a disciple
>f-foreshadowing
>my headcanon says whis taught him

Dumb Toyocuck.

>>158983953
>Pretending only manga fans do this is a flat out lie

Nobody did this. You misunderstood my initial point COMPLETELY – unsurprisingly, because you're too wrapped up in your clannish make-believe war of two imaginary sides you're intent on propagating.
People make excuses for all their own side's bullshit – animefags did for the gay sword, mangacucks for the hakai horseshit.
I simply initially stated that lumping ALL the defense of this shit on one side based on which side did the deed is ridiculous.
And to prove that I used the threads around FTrunks, wherein 99% of them were bashing the friendsaber.
If you think only 1% of those threads were the dedicated animefags and that NO toeicucks were ragging on it, you're retarded.

>>158984032
Nevermind, just saw this pop up. You ARE this wrapped up in your pretend food-fight.
I pity (You) genuinely.
You probably don't even watch the show. You just want to console-war shitpost.

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>>158983961

>>158982589
Holy shit that dub is trash. Man an already shitty voice worse, wew

>>158984086
Never underestimate a slime.
NEVER!!

>>158984037
>Zamasu was weakened by Vegetto! REALLY! Even though the episode shows the opposite!
>It makes sense for Trunks to suddenly know the Spirit Bomb! It's a common technique!
>Goku was holding back!
>17 powering up makes perfect sense!!!!
>My headcanon explains why Super Saiyan Rage is actually explained
>My headcanon explains why Zamasu can be the universe
>My headcanon explains why Black just powers up at will

Dumb Toeishill

>>158983779
>>158983867
>>158984032
Toyocucks are THIIIIIS mad

>>158984032
I think you missed his point completely.

>>158980938
Toranksu, the game or both?

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>>158984032
You're being baited anon. That pathetic toeishill spams the same pasta in every post. He falseflags as a neutral fan but only insults mangabros.
>>158984135>>158984118


He's samefagging here too

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Defend this, Toyocucks!

Holy fuck, and I thought the Jojo fanbase was autistic as fuck.

All you people do is sit in a circle while cuck clucking at each other.

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>>158984155
>being so wrapped up in console war shit you become literally paranoid

P I T Y
I
T
Y

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>>158982917
Toeicucks are so mad they're on suicide watch!!

>>158984155
Stay Super Saiyan Mad, toyocuck.

>>158983949
Is that Xenoverse???

>>158984197
looks like this toyocuck is taking some damage

E M O T I O N A L
D A M A G E

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>>158984197

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Favorite U3 designs?
What does P stand for?

>>158980938
>Not as beautiful as you, Mai.

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>>158984229
>>158984206
Try again Toeicucks

>>158984220
Yes, Two face Merged Zamasu is an npc boss character. Standard merged Zamasu is playable though.

>>158984246
His name is p. It's because he'll be the MVp.

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Defend this

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>>158984142
Both, anon

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>DBZ Special 1 - A Final, Solitary Battle: The Father of Z-Warrior Kakarrot, Who Challenged Freeza
>Dragon Ball Minus?

Which do you prefer?

>>158984365
Defend what

>cuck
>cuck
>cuck
>cuck
>cuck

There,
Saved everyone a few hours and summarized DBS threads.

>>158984476
vegeta has really taken over these threads huh

>>158984229
>healing powers

what ?
..... what ?

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When are they going to replace Buu in the opening and eyecatchers?

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>>158984527

>>158984543
don´t count buu out until the acctual battle starts

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>>158984255
Torankusu

>>158982825
still better than whoever is doing super, at least it was fluid enough to make it watchable

>>158984615
Her lips look like 2 ball sacks what the utter fuck Toei

>>158981003
half of those episodes are pretty good though

>toeishill meltdown
>again
What happened? It's an actual question

>>158984246
p for pepsiman

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>>158984677
Nice try Toyocuck

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Reminder that our boy CHADgeta will turn Califla straight by going blue, beat Brianne in SS1, and get his revenge on Hit. Only then will he job to Jiren the Ayy.

>>158984790
vegeta will get BTFO by fighters working as a team

>>158984652
It's a japanese meme face, pedro

>>158984710
>And a ching chong nip nong to you, young lady

>>158982945
???

>there are still idiots out there who don't think Geene is the strongest GoD

Go kys

>>158984710
Oh, you, again... it's the third time you answer me using the pic I did so I need to ask... do you actually believe that's tracing or something? I mean you can't be this stupid

>>158984810
I mean, I can see them pushing him pretty hard in SS1/2, but from there he will either get some character development by asking someone like Gohan, or just Merc them all in Blue

>>158983829
I really hope this guy gets some screentime

>>158983453
I don't see many fanart of the furries though.

>Still discussing irrelevant shit about the last arc

Why is this fanbase so autistic?

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So is this the current power level of universe 7:

Freeza
Goku
Gohan
Vegeta
17
Buu
Piccolo
18
Tien
Krillin
Roshi

>>158985002
goku
vegeta
freeza
gohan
then ur list

>>158985002
>Frieza over Goku when they matched each other as stated by Whis
goku wasn't even using kaioken nigga

>>158985002
Freeza
Goku
Vegeta
17
Gohan
Buu
Piccolo
18
Tien
Krillin
Roshi

ftfy. both Vegeta and 17 can keep up with blue, Gohan can't

>>158985066
vegeta can keep up with blue
vegeta and goku in blue are equal

>>158985066
Gohan repelled Goku in SSB and forced him into KK.
17 matched Goku in SSB

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>>158983961
>>158983829
don't forget NOT!Baby

>>158985002
>Gohan
>Stronger then Vegeta

Gohanfags everyone!

>>158984543
next episode with the new ending

>>158985100
>Forced him into KK
More like begged, only to get oneshot

>>158985002
Goku/Frieza are impossible to tell apart, but at the top.
Gohan should realistically be above Vegeta because his short melee with Goku's Blue form had him forcing Goku to go further and use Kaioken, which would put him definitively above base Blue, and Goku's Blue = Vegeta's Blue, but that's not how the show works. So it's probably Vegeta > Gohan.
17 is fifth.

>>158985131
No he begged him to use full power. Goku powered up to Blue, Gohan REPELLED his Blue, then asked him to power up further.
That's our only context, so we can only assume Gohan > Blue.
But, as I said, that's not STRICTLY how the show always works.

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>>158985066
Gohan did keep up with blue. Goku had to use Kaioken, and actually went full strength against Gohan.


>>158985056
I completely forgot about that

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Vegeta>>>>>Gohan
vegeta just went back into the time chamber

>>158985066
>ftfy. both Vegeta and 17 can keep up with blue, Gohan can't

Did you even watch the episodes?
17 merely kept up with Blue, Gohan knocked it back and made Goku pop a Kaioken x2.
Don't care how you spin it, from what we've seen, Gohan beats 17.

>>158985224
did 17 say he wass holding back?

MUH TIME CHAMBERS
how older is vegeta now

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>>158985100
>>158985170
>>158985172

>Forced him in Kaioken

D-daddy, please s-show me you f-full power

>Does
>Gets one shot

Their was no forcing at all. Gohan asked to see his full power, and when he got it, he was destroyed. He wasn't matching Blue, he just got a few hits in. Gohan isn't even close to Frieza or Vegeta

>>158981390
?

Hit vs Jiren

Who wins?

>>158985239
He did, but Goku was, too. We can't really say how much either way.

>>158985247
>headcanon

A literal play-by-play of what happened for (You).
>dad, please use your full power
>goku goes blue
>gohan bats him away
>Gohan repeats question
>goku goes KK
>gohan loses

SSBKK > Gohan > Blue
Doesn't matter what you say.

>>158985257
i get a feeling this will actually happen, with jiren btfo hit and thus startling goku

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OH MY "GODLY POWERS"

>Frieza got OHKO'd by Blue
>Gohan got OHKO'd by Blue KK

It's obvious who's stronger

>>158985257
hit is just the vegeta to jiren's frieza

>>158985257
Ayy lmao >>> Donuts

>>158985307
frieza OHKO'd blue
gohan got some hits in

>>158985247
> He wasn't matching Blue, he just got a few hits in.

>h-h-h-h-h-h-he wasn't m-m-matching blue
>h-h-h-he j-j-just r-r-repelled it and p-p-pushed it b-b-back
>t-t-t-then Goku u-used a m-m-more p-p-powerful f-f-form!

Okay then. Glad we could establish that Gohan pushed Blue back and made Goku use an ability to enhance his power further.
In your deluded mind this may mean something else. But to anyone with eyes and rational processing, sorry champ, Gohan got stronger than Blue.

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>there are still enough lowIQ retards here who think Goku is not the strongest of the Universe 7

Fanboyism destroy brain cells it seems, big time.

>>158985360
Goku could murderstomp everyone on U7 because he still has Kaioken x10 as a fallback.

>>158984881
It's very likely that he believes that image is tracing.

>Whis stated Goku has the potential to become a God of destruction
>Goku learns a God of destruction technique
>IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE

Desperate Toei shills

>>158985395
he's probably going to pull some other kaio bullshit out and flatten Jiren with his 10m long dick

>>158985429
will vegeta get that power aswell then?
whis said he could become the god of destruction aswell

>>158985002

Goku
Vegeta
Freeza
Gohan
Buu
17
Piccolo
18
Krillin
Roshi
Tien

This is objectively the correct ranking

>>158985429
>trying to reignite the anime vs manga bullshit

Why are you so pathetic?

>>158985452
>Frieza below Vegeta

Hello Vegeta

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>>158985452
good man

>>158985354
Oh please, 17 and even fucking Krillin have stood up to Blue. That doesn't make them any stronger. And a small little Kaioken boost allowed him to get one shot. It was a cool scene, but it just resulted to Jobhan doing what he does best, losing

>>158985483

I'm not a vegeta fag, but didn't he beat the shit out of freeza in ROF?

>muh mental training!

Vegeta has actually been training and there is no reason to think freeza is now stronger than him at the moment.

>but he's even with goku!!! didn't you see the flying 1 punch double knock out

Goku wasn't at full power. He likes to fight people at THEIR max - not his...

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> If you want to call it a sin, then I don't care!

SS Rage Trunks in Xenoverse 2

reminder that vegeta lied to his son about the man who enslaved him through childhood and even murdered him on namek

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>>158985559
>17
Goku stated he was holding back.
>Krillin
Goku was holding back.

There's nothing to suggest he was doing so against Gohan. He never outwardly stated it, nor is Gohan a Krillin-tier character for whom it goes unsaid.
>And a small little Kaioken boost allowed him to get one shot
A 2x boost.
Did you know that in the Namek arc Vegeta with a PL of 24,000 one-shit a character with a PL of 18,000?
A 1.3x boost was sufficient to effortlessly stomp someone. A 2x boost is, easily.

>>158985618
>I'm not a vegeta fag, but didn't he beat the shit out of freeza in ROF?
When Freeza was already out of energy due to his Golden form eating a lot of power. He couldn't even keep the form at all after taking some attacks from Vegeta.

>>158985618
Goku was equal to Freeza as stated by Whis.

>beat the shit out of freeza in ROF?
after Freeza was tired and nearly had no energy left.
In the movie Vegeta chickend out after Goku proposed switching (when Freeza went gold).

>>158985659
>>17
>Goku stated he was holding back.
So was 17 desu

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>>158985633
Trunks' Spirit Bomb + Sword has been given the name: Sword of Hope

>>158985633
Just for the story though. And it doesn't even get the correct hairstyle, just white eyes.

>>158985654
His son would never look at him the same if he tells him the truth. It's mostly goku's fault though. I feel bad for vegeta

>>158985659
It was stated that Gohan was fighting full power from the start.
He more or less lost against SS2 Goku and then started begging.

I couldn't care less who you place above whom, except for the absolute truth that will forever be untouched, which is Goku is the top of the crop in U7.

>>158985703

Equal without KK boost.

Agreed.

Goku still can power up at least x10 (or double if you want to believe x1 = 10% x2 = 20% etc.)

>>158985704
This is true, but we don't know how much either Goku or 17 were holding back.
Goku could've been using 1% against 17's 99%, vice-versa, or they both could've been at an even 50%.
Completely impossible to tell. All we can go off of is that 17 fought evenly with Blue and Gohan, in his short melee, knocked it back. After which point Goku resorted to Kaioken, which suggests he needed to.
There really is no other way to look at that string of events than SSBKK > Gohan > Blue/17

>>158985752
>literally missed the actual thematic purpose of the episode

The point was that Gohan was powering up throughout the entire thing as he grew more accustomed to fighting. That power was in him, he just needed to barrel through that last barrier.
Hence why he was getting dicked by SSJ2 at the start yet dueling with Blue and gaining ground at the end.

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>>158985659
Their is no reason to really think he wasn't either. And 17 said he was holding back to.

And if you want to go by the logic of "Goku never said he was holding back", then I guess Krillin is near blue levels, because Goku never said that shit to him either.

Look, Gohan's cool and I'm sure he's gonna get a new form soon. But as it currently stands, you're just waking the shit out of him.

Jirens gimmick is being able to see into the future.

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>People actually think Gohan is stronger than SSB

>>158985792
>Completely impossible to tell.
Not really, 17 forced him into SSB. That's pretty telling.

>>158980537
Remember the >leaks
saying we were getting 3 eps of Goten and Trunks playing park Ranger?

Or Freeza joining universe 4 so they had to get Yamcha?

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>>158985834
>People actually think gohan is stronger than Vegeta

>>158985792
>literally missed the actual thematic purpose of the episode
Same can be said about Krillin and nobody says Kirllin is SS2 level.
Gohanfags are delusional, the SSB vs Gohan scene is less impressive than the Krillin vs SSB scene.

Nobody takes Gohan seriously and he is shaking in his boots the entire time.
He wil beat a opponent a litte above lavender and job to the first god tier opponent he fights.

It doesn't make sense for Gohan with a day of training and finally regaining mystic to be as strong as SSB Goku. The whole point of Beerus coming to earth for the SSG is rendered moot if Gohan's Mystic form was stronger.

Not to mention Gohan continuously neglects fighting while Goku has surpassed his potential and kept training. He trained with Vegeta for three years straight mastering the form

Since trunks is a healer in the manga, do you think Gohan can do it too? Gohan is like the Paladin of the group?

>>158985930

If Trunks reached Blue level after hours of training, then so can Gohan.

>>158986044
Different ritual

>>158985836
I mean beyond that. How his power sits with SSB itself. We know 17 is beyond usual SSJ forms.

>>158985924
You're not even making points anymore. You're just denying what factually happened and bitching about some gohanfag boogeyman.
I don't give a shit about Cuckhan I'm just telling you straight how that scene and episode went down.

If only Luffy can enter tournament so he can pulverize that autist Jiren with King Kong Gun

>>158986061
putting aside that you are absolutely right neither makes sense