Acclaimed Anime Critic Toshio Okada (Otaking) lists the Top 10

Wow, that's a lot of gay shit dude

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Good lord, the last time Otaking was in the US was at OTAKON 1995, at the Penn State Scanticon in central Pennsylvania.

Is he still around?

>>158971380

*Correction, he was also at Anime America back in 1996 apparently.

Not even in the slightest.

>no K-ON
>pretentious Yuasashit
Into the trash it goes.

>>158971305
>Osomatsu-san
Was OK but the skits were pretty hit or miss, he has better things in the list

>>158971486
you're just now realizing that no one who isn't a basement dweller thinks K-On is good?

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>>158971305
>Crayon Shin-chan
>Osomatsu-san
Seriously? I mean, sure it has all its cultural influence in Japan but no one on their right minds would call it literary masterpiece.

It's basically like Simpsons and Family Guy - a cheap way to pass the time and nurture memes but it contributes nothing to the growth of literature

Doreamon and Detective Conan rightfully fits this place better

Ganba no Bouken subs never

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>>158971305
>10) "Space Battleship Yamato"
>7) "Mobile Suit Gundam"
>6) "Daicon IV"
>4) "Laputa Castle in the Sky"

Literally the only things in this shitpile of a list that have any merit.

Wasn't this Otaking the fucking idiot who trashed G-Reco and Your Name because he was too dumb to understand them?

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>6) "Daicon IV"
Of course one of the only things Otaking himself was ever involved in is one of the greatest anime of all time.

>>158972021
He's not listing the Shin-chan TV series, he's listing one of the movies directed by Keiichi Hara which is generally considered a great film. Osomatsu-san is a weird choice though.

>>158972204
>Of course one of the only things Otaking himself was ever involved in is one of the greatest anime of all time.

If he wanted to he could have easily listed Gunbuster and Honneamise, both of which he had a big hand in making and both better than half the shit on his hackneyed list.

No but to be honest it's pretty good taste, it's not like it's objective or anything, If I saw a 3x3 with those anime I would give him a thumbs up.

>>158971661

It was well-received and won awards in Japan. Also had a much wider audience than others of its genre.

>>158971305
Gothic-fucking-made what the hell

>>158973012
It came out in Japan like 5 years ago anon

>>158972940
Sword art Online also fits this description perfectly.

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>>158971305
>Acclaimed Anime Critic Toshio Okada (Otaking)
>2017
>giving Okada "I PERSONALLY MADE ALL THE THINGS GAINAX WAS INVOLVED IN, PAY ATTENTION TO ME" Toshio the time of day

I'm honestly fucking surprised LoGH isn't on this list since we're adding pretentious garbage like Ping Pong in here.

>>158972021
> Doreamon and Detective Conan
Neither of those would belong on this list, either. Conan in particular, what the fuck are you doing.

>>158973128
>pretentious garbage like Ping Pong
I love this meme

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>>158973128
>LoGH
>pretentious garbage

So this is the power of Neo-/a/

>>158973094

Yeah I don't understand that one. Japs have shit taste (but better than AmeriKKKan taste)

>10 greatest

This board and it's mistranslations. It says they're the best anime of each generation which is why it's in chronological order.

>>158973393

That makes sense. Though I have to wonder what Japs love about Osomatsu-san, I couldn't get into it.

>>158973393
>each generation
But Ping Pong and Osomatsu-san are barely one year apart

Daicon IV is basically a commercial....

what the fuck. list is trash.

>>158971305
>Otaking

Who cares

>>158973393
Wait, what? The best how many of each generation? And why are there tie-numbers, then (but not for all the shows from the same 2-3 year period)? This just makes it more confusing.

>>158973487
That's why they're both ranked as 1, you baka gaijin.

>>158973393
>>158973498
Yeah, if they're the best of each generation then how does the numbering of
>2) "Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica"
>2) "Hana no Utame Gothicmade"
>1) "Ping Pong The Animation"
>1) "Osomatsu-san"
Make any sense?

>>158973513
But Gothicmade/Madoka and Ping Pong/Osomatsu are only two years apart. And Yamato, Gamba, and 3000 Leagues are all within the same like two year range. And Laputa and Beautiful Dreamer are the same. And then there's nothing from the 90s and only Adult Empire from the 00s. I don't get what the hell "generation" would even mean here.

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>it doesn't have eromanga sensei
automatically invalidated

Osomatsu is a remake isn't it?

>>158973748
No, it's a sequel to Osomatsu-kun

>>158973094

Sword Art Online is excellent and I've never understood the hate for it.

>no Shinsekai Yori
Of course, Japanese don't know it even exists. But (((acclaimed anime critics))) shouldn't be so ignorant.

>>158973982
Case and point.

>>158971305
What a weird and all over the place list. All of these deserve placements in top ten lists, but not in the same one.

>>158974053

Oh no I'm not saying K-on was good. SAO is great and K-On was boring gay more hot.

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Sasuga the nippon.

>>158972180
Everything ranked from 10 up until and including Shin-chan is considered an unmitigated classic and difficult to argue with in anyway. It is all such safe picks to be honest. If you have any opinion otherwise you likely simply haven't watched enough anime to be aware of them.

>>158974199

*moeshit

>>158971305
>1) "Osomatsu-san"
The original one, right?

>>158971305
>3) "Crayon Shin-chan: The Storm Called: The Adult Empire Strikes Back"
truly the best anime film of all time.

>>158974164
I think those are his personal top 10. It must be subjective.

>>158974293
that's -kun

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>>158974338
Unbelievable.

>>158974307
Definitely in the top 10.

>>158974199
>>158974241
>phoneposter

Christ.

>>158974241
>likes sao
>phoneposter
>posts on /v/
just leave my man

>>158971305
>Hana no Utame Gothicmade
what

>>158974337
Even if we allow subjective affect I'd expect some more order from a "renowned" critic.

>>158974447
I dunno, it's not a bad list. Just not my taste.

>>158972180
>Wasn't this Otaking the fucking idiot who trashed G-Reco and Your Name because he was too dumb to understand them?

No, he trashed G-reco because the story went nowhere (something even Tomino agreed with) and Your Name because it was derivative trash assembled by a production committee to sell based on "feels" and light novel cliches.

In both cases he was right.

>>158973393
bump

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>>158974528
Shinkai saved the industry and is now Miyazaki's successor. Stay salty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usXQ_xDru7o

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>>158974636
>Shinkai saved the industry and is now Miyazaki's successor. Stay salty.
No he's not, because Miyazaki doesn't even respect/care for him. Katabuchi is the successor.

>>158973393

Did some further reading and they describe his ranking process as a battle between anime he personally likes and his critical opinion of works that marked a new era of the anime industry. So admittedly he's not trying to be purely objective, but he still wanted the rankings to reflect the historical booms that occured.

>>158974703
>Miyazaki doesn't even respect/care for him

>comes out of retirement because Your Name assraped Spirited Away and became the No. 1 anime film in the world

Like I said, stay salty

>>158974752
Stop making shit up. Miyazaki comes out of retirement every 5 years. How new can you get?

>>158974528
But Kimi no na Wa is genuinely well-directed and aesthetically pleasing; the shifts in atmosphere are very well-handledh, too
No need to be a contrarian fag, anon

>>158974703
>Katabuchi is the successor.

To Takahata, sure. Miyazaki has no replacement.

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>>158974703
>Katabuchi

>>158974874
he didnt say anything about direction, he said it was derivative trash. Although I think his line about light novel cliches is wrong. It's mostly western romcom cliches that are everywhere. I can understand why it was so praised, since I imagine most people who watch anime don't watch western romcoms and are unaware of how lazy and reliant the movie is on those tropes.

>>158974703

Yamada is the successor and the greatest anime director alive.

>>158975157
Yamada's films are NOTHING like Miyazaki though.

>>158975055
Right. Koe no Katachi was the true masterpiece

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>>158971305
I thought Otaking was a girl called Paul Johnson who shilled for five tone shading?

>>158975055
The thing is that those clichés are executed well enough to have their own autonomy and feel different. The same goes for all the LN tropes in the film. The atmosphere also helps the movie a lot.
>>158975197
Koe no Katachi has a shitton of flaws tho. Yamada did a pretty good job at adapting it, but even she couldn't salvage the manga's mediocre and generic second half.

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>>158975157
>yamada

wew kyoanus lickers

>>158971348
10, 7, 5, 4, 3, and Ping Pong are the only good ones.

>>158973128
>>158973175
Did you turn your trip off for this one? It can't be a coincidence that the two stupidest posts in the thread are 72 seconds apart.

>>158975387
Cliches are bad by definition, I don't see how good execution saves it. I don't even think you could name the most atrocious cliches that run throughout it, but mind you, if they were just small things that occurred every once in awhile they wouldn't be a big deal at all, but the cliches define the entire overarching plot. I mean jesus, the worst thing you could ever do in a romcom, the one thing that is so overdone it would be immediately disregarded in western cinema where they are more familiar with it, is the "plot device forces two people who aren't on the best terms with each other together and they eventually fall in love" cliche. Now Shinkai not only builds the entire plot around the worst possible romcom cliche imaginable, but then also uses some of the cheesiest body-swap cliches as well. At least four fucking times did they do the "guy feels up the girl he swapped into" cliche. Count that as the 4000 and 4th time I've seen that one. Stopped being funny after 100. Freaky Friday was more creative than Kimi no Na Wa.

>>158971305
>no Fractale
should be fake. Otaking would never forget his buddy Yamakan.

>>158973128
Can't let a show with a Chinese lead in the top 10.

>>158975838
A good execution that reinvents a cliché can make a cliché more bearable.
And the one cliché you mention fits thematically with movie's themes of destiny and the repetition of time; and as cliché as that might be to a Western audience, it is quite common in Japanese literature (assuming that we're talking about a deus ex machina or seemingly supernatural/irrealistic power or even bringing two people together). As it is, the movie never tries to be realistic; at its core, it is magic realism.

Aside from that, four dumb "guy fells up her breasts" scenes don't ruin a movie, and, again, they give it a teist by the thrid time it happens. That's only the tip of the iceberg, as there is a nice amount of direction details that make it stand out from the body-swap trope.

Again, the execution and direction is what's key in Kimi no na Wa. On paper, jt is a heaping pile of shit, but Shinkai's direction saves and elevates the movie.

Sure, it's not Paprika or Kaguya, but it's still pretty solid.

>>158976557
That's fair. I didn't think it was bad either, just annoyed at people who think it's flawless.

>>158971305

30000 Leagues, Laputa, Urusei, Daicon, MBG are all either 10/10 or trend setting, incredibly infuential projects.

Gamba and Yamato aren't something really special to me. The original Captain harlock series would be a better replacement for Yamato (considering it's a tad more original than "WORLD WAR II BATTLE SHIP IN SPACE!", and Legend of the Galactic Heroes a much, much better one.

Shin Shan, Gothicmade, ping pong and osomatsu san have no business being in the top 3. Your best anime is a fucking comedy that looks vaguely like early animes?

shame on you mr. okada

No 999 or Bara no Versailles or Onisama e..?

>>158974874
It is also the fifth time the same exact concept was made into a movie

Your Name isn't innovative in the slightest. It's just the best produced verison of an ongoing trend

it's an ok movie, nothign more, nothing less.

>>158973393
>mistranslations

More like deliberate baiting and shitposting.

The manga was still better.

>>158977325
that's what I've been saying

it's not ground-breaking, but it is a solid 7.5 or 8/10, simply because it does what it sets out to do very well, and adds some pretty neat stuff to the mix

and it is still better than koe no katachi

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>>158971305
>Osomatsu-san

>>158971305
Did this fucker really just charge $8 to watch a damn video of his awful opinions on his YT channel?

>>158971305
Otaking's words should be taken with a grain of salt, after all. But he's right for many of these. I wouldn't say any of those are my favorites, but they're all incredibly good and trend-setting. More people need to watch old school Dezaki like Gamba or Takarajima

>>158977081
It's undeniable that Yamato is the more influential series.
And it's based on era, not an ascending order of quality. That's why the oldest shit came first.

Ping Pong is legit good though. Yuasa's best project by far, I'd say, though it still doesn't hold a candle to the original manga. Shin Chan isn't great in general, but their movies are quite interesting and well-made.

>>158974703
>Arete
>Mai Mai
>Kono Sekai

That's it, the guy doesn't have a huge volume of work and his style feels derivative of Takahata. Don't get me wrong, Arete was genuinely very good, but Kono Sekai is far too overrated by Nip critics, war stories always go over well there.

>>158977743
>war stories always go over well there.

Like GATE, right?

>>158975838
>>158975387
>>158975055
>>158974874
>>158976557
>>158976999
Your original story ideas either die without anyone giving a shit, or live long enough to become cliche. Even in hindsight, original series like Harlock and Cutey Honey are just incredibly hackneyed to viewers today - other people have done their shticks to death. There's nothing wrong with using cliche, and all good things are doomed to it eventually.

That said, I don't get where the idea that Your Name is cliche comes from. Sure, no movie can entirely avoid that sort of thing, but I'd argue Kono Sekai was far more cliche in the kinds of subject matter and storytelling it was broaching. I mean, it's not even really a romcom, more of a disaster story and the way it juggles multiple themes and builds atmosphere is pretty unique for a movie like this. The visual leitmotifs and the cinematography are at once consistent with past Shinkai movies and also explore new territory, and little subversion along the way keep the story fresh and interesting.

Compare the movie with 5cm/s, which was infinitely more original for the time. Those natsukashii-invoking heavily contrasted photoshopped photo backgrounds Shinkai would become known for were first introduced to the public then. Yet, its unrefined and low-budget nature, along with Shinkai's fledgling talents as a writer and cinematographer, left a lot to be desired. Comparatively, KNNW is less original, but polishes and contemplates the style and themes that 5cm/s tried to convey, in a much more easily digestible package.

I will say the engagement curve is very generic for this movie, but that's not really something you can fault it on considering this sort of curve has been used in everything from Ovid to Star Wars. I think compared to the other two big anime films of the year, Kono Sekai and KnK, it stands out as the best. Not that it's perfect, but it's certainly better designed, more consistent, and more thought provoking than the other two.

>>158977820
My bad, they generally go over pretty well there. Mostly WWII stuff, though. Hell, I can't think of any WWII anime that DIDN'T end up being praised in some way or another. Even genuinely mediocre flicks like Kaze Tachinu

And even GATE was far, far more successful than it deserved to be.

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>>158971305
>2) "Hana no Utame Gothicmade"

Heard so many polarizing things about this. Some people claim it looks like flash animation while others say it actually had a higher framerate than goddamn Ponyo and animated on the same level as Disney films in the 40s. For fucks sake 4K or not, staying in theaters for five years with no home media release is ridiculous.

>>158971305
Ping Pong is probably the only show that I'll go to watch just one scene from and end up re-watching the whole show.

>>158977911
well... have you seen their competitors?

>>158977853
You don't have to be entirely original. I don't even think that's possible since most things come of combining inspirations from other things, but the least to be expected is to add something to the ideas you're combining instead of just... combining them and hope nobody notices. I will say though if you aren't already jaded by seeing the cliches many times before it's a real good introduction to them. I'll just pretend people rate shows by production value alone then all the 10/10s will make sense to me.

>putting an anime you made on your top list

LMAO

>>158977956
Most of the whining seems to come from people who saw the trailers. I can't speak for the film itself having never seen it like anyone else here, but the shots in the trailers were definitely cropped from the original footage, which generally makes everything look much worse, especially in panning shots. Just compare the Sleeping Beauty VHS with the BD release. Like night and day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcEkAn-FI8M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXbHShUnwxY

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>>158971305
>listening to Otaking
>caring about Otaking
>ever giving Otaking any attention

>>158972021
>>158972204
>>158973449
>>158977081
>>158977541
Look at all these plebs

Where is love live?

>>158978105
>well... have you seen their competitors?
Eh, again, it's not as if war anime are bastions of quality by nature.

>>158978267
>You don't have to be entirely original. I don't even think that's possible since most things come of combining inspirations from other things, but the least to be expected is to add something to the ideas you're combining instead of just... combining them and hope nobody notices.
Well, sure, but I think that KNNW accomplishes that just fine. It does have plenty of interesting things to say and does it in interesting ways. I particularly really enjoy the parallels between the worm's eye shots of Japanese sliding Shoji and sliding train doors. There's this idea, reinforced by this scene and many others, that even as the physical "old' Japan is left behind, traditions will live on and that there's something intrinsically "Japanese" that can't be lost. To be honest, and as someone who watches a lot of Japanese Cinema - these aren't ideas that come up a whole lot in general.

>I'll just pretend people rate shows by production value alone then all the 10/10s will make sense to me.
If anything KNNW had really shitty production. Better than most Shinkai movies, he actually got capable animators this time, but still not enough.

>>158971305
>10) "Space Battleship Yamato"
Sure.
>9) "The Adventures of Gamba"
Of all the masterpiece Dezaki worked on he chooses this?
>8) "3000 Leagues in Search of Mother"
Why this and not Akage no Anne?
>7) "Mobile Suit Gundam"
Sure.
>6) "Daicon IV"
Eh...
>5) "Urusei Yatsura 2: Beautiful Dreamer"
Sure.
>4) "Laputa Castle in the Sky"
Sure.
>3) "Crayon Shin-chan: The Storm Called: The Adult Empire Strikes Back"
Eh...
>2) "Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica"
Fuck off.
>2) "Hana no Utame Gothicmade"
Literally who?
>1) "Ping Pong The Animation"
Yuasa did better.
>1) "Osomatsu-san"
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHSHAHAHAHAH

Shit list.

>>158971305
>6) "Daicon IV"
IIRC his family paid for that one

>>158979112
>sliding train doors
He does this in all of his movies?

>>158979879
Sort of, but here it's a distinct parallel. If you go and watch it closely, the shots are the exact same angle and follow the shifting of the feet - The intent is pretty obvious. If you want more examples, there's also the way the color palettes shift throughout the movie and the environment reflects emotion in a Sekai-kei esque way, although I wouldn't call the movie that in general. Tokyo isn't really presented as being lush or covered in vegetation throughout the movie, and yet in the final scenes there's this massive focus on these rain-covered streets with flowers and bushes bursting out of them, harking back to the verdant environments of the rural town and suggesting a fusion of the new and old. There's even a line right before that reinforces the idea, where the main character talks about wanting to build towns that evoke nostalgia for future generations.

There's a lot to chew on in this movie, aside from the boy meets girl plot, which to be honest I thought was the weakest part. Not that it was particularly bad or anything, but there's a reason this movie was so popular with not just teenagers, but also middle-aged and senior audiences in Japan.

And like a bunch of his movies took place in space, there's no fucking train doors in space.

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>>158971305
>Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica

This proves that even if you are famous you can still have garbage taste

>>158974528
>No, he trashed G-reco because the story went nowhere (something even Tomino agreed with)
No? He literally trashed it because he couldn't follow it and only watched the first fucking episode while saying it should be more like Yokai Watch a show everyone can follow. . Even Japs think the guy is a joke.

>>158980729
He was absolutely right since it was in response of Tomino's claim that G Reco was intended for children more than for Gundam fans, which anyone can see is completely retarded.

>>158981142
>He was absolutely right since it was in response of Tomino's claim that G Reco was intended for children more than for Gundam fans,
Except there were reports that kids understood the show just fine. I guess you along with Otaking are just retarded

>ganba no bouken

I suppose the BD's will never be uploaded and translated.
The one Dezaki I still need to watch.

>>158981198
>kids understood the show just fine
Sure thing.

>>158971305
If we're talking about influential anime from oldest to newest, then Gothicmade and Ping Pong don't belong in there.
Overall it's an alright list. Why no Eva though?

>>158981293
>Eva
It's just ok.

>>158971305
>Daicon 4
Fucking dumb. He was part of the team back then.

>Gothic made
What a fucking hack. But what did you expect? A pretentious anime critic hailing a mediocre work by another pretentious author.

Nagano is a hack.

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>there will never be another anime as epic as Madoka

>>158981334
Remember, it's not a list of good anime, it's a list of anime that marked the anime industry in some way. Eva should be there, he's not including it due to personal butthurt or something like that.

>>158981463
>marked the anime industry in some way
Why is Haruhi, K-On, Kemono Friends and Your Name missing though?

>>158981503
Most likely because he didn't like them.
I guess it's a list of influential anime that he thinks are good.

Unfortunately, SAO should also be there too. It was a plague on the industry but it did leave a mark.

>>158981385
>>Gothicmade
>What a fucking hack. But what did you expect? A pretentious anime critic hailing a mediocre work by another pretentious author.

I'd love to see that copy of it that you have in your drawer, newfriend

>>158981293
>If we're talking about influential anime

We're not

I don't understand the DAICON meme. It's literally just an animated music video. Sure, it's a good example of things to come from those involved, but I really don't understand why anyone would put it on a list like this.

>>158982010
>I don't understand the DAICON meme.

Then you know jack shit about its importance to mark the beginning of Otaku culture.

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>>158982124
No, I do;I guess it might just a personal thing - I wouldn't place something on a list of 'greatest anime' because of a social impact like that, especially when it's basically just test animation. But that's me.

>>158981892
He is actually, let's see your list, faggot.
Let's see if you can do any better than the retarded Otaking.

>>158981892
Really though, what the hell is this top 10 supposed to be? What the hell did 3000 Leagues and Gamba bring that was new to the genre or unique in their production process?

It just seems like a list of works that he likes the most from different eras.

>>158982219
>He is actually

Translate the article then, Nip Dong Ching Chong.

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Despite how good it is Ping Pong hasn't marked at all the anime industry

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>>158971305
I wonder what Yamakan's list would look like.

>>158982219
It the objective was having the most influential anime that list is even more retarded.
Why having Marco instead of Heidi?
Why Gamba instead of Ace wo Narae?
Why Osomatsu-san, Madoka, Gothicmade etc at all?

>>158973646
It means there are no good anime back then

>>158971305
Well, at least i can agree with Ping Pong

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>>158975234
>Tones are shades of colour

>>158972021
Adult empire is actually a really well made movie.
Give it a watch.

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3000 leagues in search of mother is legit my favorite TV anime (Heidi might've started it all, but I think Marco is a better series), but Osomatsu is also great. If you've seen the old shows they're topical for the period they're made in, so the third series being about unmarriageable japanese males is first funny then sad. It's got the social commentary, comedy-making meta, excellent art design, rebooting the franchise is taken fairly seriously thanks to the prestige and the original manga's humor already gives it a head start, good characters with different joke fodder from dozens of high school comedies, and perfect acting. It's sad that Chibita is such a shell of his old character though.

>>158971305
>madoka
into the trash it goes

>>158971305
All available on Kissanime

>>158971348
That's not gay at all, you projecting faggot.

>>158983993
>Tint + Shade = (Pure Color + White) + (Pure Color + Black) = (Black + White) + Pure Color = Grey + Pure Color = Tone
heh

>>158971486
Cry more, Kyoanikek.

>>158981463
>it's a list of anime that marked the anime industry in some way
Then why isn't Mazinger on the list? Or Ashita no Joe?

No friend, it's just Okada's shitty tastes.

>>158972180
A G-Rektard butthurt because someone dislike his favorite show. Color me surprised.

>>158971305
>"Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica"
Shit taste here but otherwise 9/10.

>>158971305
>Acclaimed Anime Critic Toshio Okada
Sounds cool, where can I get a "Acclaimed Anime Critic" certificate?

Ping pong and Madoka. My man.

>>158981440
:(

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>guy of some repute posts a lists of what he likes
>/a/ gets butthurt

wew

>>158971305
Zeta > 0079

>>158971305
>10) "Space Battleship Yamato"
no
>9) "The Adventures of Gamba"
yes
>8) "3000 Leagues in Search of Mother"
yes
>7) "Mobile Suit Gundam"
yes
>6) "Daicon IV"
no
>5) "Urusei Yatsura 2: Beautiful Dreamer"
no
>4) "Laputa Castle in the Sky"
no
>3) "Crayon Shin-chan: The Storm Called: The Adult Empire Strikes Back"
no
>2) "Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica"
no
>2) "Hana no Utame Gothicmade"
no
>1) "Ping Pong The Animation"
no
>1) "Osomatsu-san"
no

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>>158971305
Where is the evangelion of anime "neon genesis evangelion"?

>>158989462
It's called "Ideon"

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>2) "Hana no Utame Gothicmade"

the movie we'll never see

Ping Pong really is amazing. Unironically an instant classic.

>>158992225
False. You're not allowed to enjoy any anime on this board.

>>158977743
>war stories always go over well there.
Except it's not even a war story you idiot.

>>158971305
I like some, absolutely hate some other ones. MAL ranking is better.

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>>158971305
>Ping Pong isn't #1

>>158993283
>MAL ranking is better.

Maybe you should take your cancerous ass back there and never come back.

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Kyoanibabbies on suicide watch

>>158972204
>movies directed by Keiichi Hara
So? He's not Miyazaki.
I watched it just now. It's stupid.
The antagonist's plan is stupid and super cruel to the kids.
At the climax, he said he'd led the family go and then he didn't.

Just a kids movie.

I don't know why he had Ping Pong there when Kaiba and Tatami Galaxy exist.
The other two were inventive as fuck and filled with clever writing and visual metaphors.

Ping Pong is just a typical sports thing with an angsty mc.

>>158994020
I don't get it too.
Ping pong is a very straightforward adaptation of the manga.
Same art style and everything.

Nothing really special.

>>158994020
Isn't the typical sports story an underdog story, in ping-pong it was an overdog story with two protags one who tries and actually does good in the sport and the other who doesn't try because he thinks he's the best but still loses

>>158994020
>>158994613
Ping Pong had at least three protagonists.
>Tsukimoto
>Peco
>Kazama
I'd personally also argue that Kong and Sanada were sort of auxiliary protagonists, but to a lesser extent than those three.

If you want to call it a "typical sports thing" or an "underdog story" you'd have to specify which protagonist you were talking about, I think. Personally, though, I liked how much Ping Pong avoided really obvious "underdog" and "overdog" situations, or at least if they had them I didn't manage to pick up on them. You really didn't know who was more likely to win a match aside from what the other characters predicted -- just like in real life. I thought that was great.

>>158971305
>osomeme-san
Good way to put your whole top into the ground

>>158996488
fuck off to /v/ moefag.

>>158996420
The terms are protagonist, deuteragonist, and tritagonist.
You can a case either way for Peco and Smile, but Dragon is definitely tritagonist.

>>158997861
I knew about the terms, but since going on in a list on who comes in first, second, etc. for "protagont-ness" would be difficult and kinda nit-picky I just called them all the same thing. They're all just different kinds of protagonists anyways so I figure it didn't matter that much.

>>158972021
The first ten seasons of the Simpsons is a masterpiece.

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It's one thing to disagree with his choices in terms of personal preference, but actually dismissing someone that has been into anime for several decades and has seen all the essentials/classics etc. without actually having seen any, wew, Reddit in MAL sure have started storming this place.

>>158999332
For someone who has seen all the classics, it sure is strange that all 4 of his top choices are from the current decade.

>>158971305
>Ping Pong Nr. 1
Based Japan

>>158971305
>8) "3000 Leagues in Search of Mother"
Absolutely patrician

>>158999435
8 of the 12 titles on the list aren't from the current decade. And while I don't agree with his choices, I get why he would choose each of the titles.
>Osomatsu-san
Great reimagining of a cult show that he and 90% of Japan grew up with. It's the hype equivalent of the Super Bowl.
>Ping Pong
Yuasa's most accessible work that's also excellent. Japs enjoy their sport drama, though I am surprised it's not Touch or Joe in that spot, but we all have our own preferences.
>Madoka
Anime equivalent of Nolan's Batman. Love it, hate it, it has made history.
>Gothicmade
Probably not as good as the muh 4k meme suggests, but it's held in high regard in some circles.

>>158972021
>Shin-chan and Osomatsu-san don't belong because they're popular but don't have literary merit
>Doraemon and Detective Conan do belong
Did you sustain brain damage partway through writing this post?

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>>158971305
>Madoka

>>158999435
>it sure is strange
It sure is not.
>>158973393

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Please rate my autism. This is my take on the top best/important/influential anime.

>>159000539
Some good shows there.