Find a flaw

>>158875886
this story-line was too depressing for me, my sad levels were off the chart.
Might be because I had a simmilar thing happen to me with a girl from primary school and I ended up ignoring her.
I didn't expect monogatari to make me feel so hard, damn you ougi

Retarded enough to put her faith into Araragi.

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>>158876081

>>158875886

didn't kill araragi

>>158875886
Mathematics are for autists

>>158876339
Found the gay engineer

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>>158876339

>>158875886
doesn't have a massive feminine penis

Secondary character

A shame, she's better than Hitagi and Hanekawa

>>158876448
how do you know

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>>158876505

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>>158876505
This. She could have been a pretty interesting addition in the original cast, helping people with the not supernatural side like she did with Nadeko. Though I wonder if she would end up having too much of an intersection with Kaiki.

She put a rather absurd amount of faith into a kid instead of just talking about it.

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>>158877075
That kid was a famous hero though, much more active than the fire sister. And if she ratted out her parents then they would be right that she destroyed the family.

She was also a 12 year old girl herself.

>>158877174
He didn't do shit until he was in high school. She only chose him because his parents were cops.

>>158877230
He was already bothered that not knowing math was not just though. But Hanekawa didn't really say when he started being a hero, so I guess he could have started later but then he didn't stay in that phase for long since it was just about 3 years between the summer lessons and the class trial.

>>158875886
She released a version of mathemagics way worse than the OP from the anime.

>>158875886
One of the best girls, shame we didn't get that much of her. Also Muraragi is a terrible person.

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>>158876505
>Secondary character

This is indeed her biggest flaw. Can't be helped since Nisio Isin created her later on in the existence of the series.

But I don't know if I could call her better than Hitagi. They both carry the scene in different ways.

>>158878062
>crab better than anyone
kek

>>158875886
She is all flaws. And somehow still perfect.

>>158878115
>Crab worse than anyone
top kek

>>158878265
Crab is the worst girl.

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>>158878502

>>158878588
:^)

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She Loves Math

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>>158878947
That's one of her great aspects. The only flaw is that her classmates couldn't see the truth and call her Euler in appreciation.

>>158878947
Makes her all the easier to bully.

>>158875886
She reminds me of norman bates

>>158875886
flat

>>158884969
OP said flaw. It's not like you don't have a lot to choose from.

>>158878588
Am I supposed to hate Nadeko for this? I thought it was pretty cool seeing a nip not mincing words. She said nothing wrong. I found her annoying in Bake, and expected to hate her because of how everyone else apparently did, but I actually felt like she redeemed herself as a character in this arc. Sure, she wasn't in line with morality or sanity, but I respect people with a strong will to achieve their goal.

>>158876339
T. humanitiesfag

>>158876505
It's alright though, she steals ###ragi from the Crab's clutches later, but it's a misunderstanding of course.

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reminder

>>158885118
>I respect people with a strong will to achieve their goal
Araragi wasn't her goal. The entire arc was her using him as an excuse to run away from her real goal: being a mangaka.

おいくら？

>>158885239
おい、こら！

>>158885221
I guess I mean to say I admire people who lack inhibition to do what it is they want. Most people would never have the courage to become a god and fight their friends.

>>158885268
こらじゃね

>>158875886
High on Math.

>>158885295
She lacked inhibition, sure, but she didn't display any courage. The entire arc was her running away like a coward and screwing other people over because she was too afraid to pursue her dreams.

>>158876081
There's a lot of shit I don't mind blaming Araragi for but this isn't one of them to be honest. He didn't have enough to go on to assume that he had something to take action about, he thought that they were meeting up at some abandoned house summer hideout-type place and not her actual house even. When he tried to talking to Sodachi about anything other than maths she stayed quiet too.

Not blaming Sodachi either, I get the reasons why she stayed quiet.

>>158885309
苛性ソーダ

VA performance of the year.

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>>158875886
>Find a flaw
Math is boring

>>158878502
>Crab is the worst girl.
Hitagi is the best girl of Bakemonogatari and the first season is the best Monogatari of all.

>>158886307
>Hitagi is the best girl of Bakemonogatari
Not even in the anime adaptation of it where they cut tons of dialogue with the other chicks out, nah. She was great in Hitagi Crab specifically and that's where she peaked.

>>158886307
Hitagi's the least interesting part of every arc she shows up in though. Even in Hitagi Crab Oshino was more interesting.

Not worst girl though, that's reserved for Hanekawa.

>>158875886
I can't

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>>158886492
Your shit taste is the least relevant to the discussion

>>158886607
Hanekawa has a good body, but it's the only good thing about her. All the other girls have better stories, personalities, and arguably better bodies depending on your tastes.

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>>158886639
>Hanekawa has a good body, but it's the only good thing about her
Thanks only what you see, you underdeveloped teenager.

>>158886639
>personalities
Why would you even consider crab if you're a sane person and into BDSM?
She's a decent character but she's the worst girl to have BY fucking far.
Top tier is non-loli Shinobu, Hanekawa, Sodachi, everyone else, Hitagi.

>>158875886
She's ugly.

>>158886787
>someone doesn't like my boring, passive-aggressive cunt of a waifu
>baww
Can we skip past the irellevant sob stories and headcannon and get to the part where you stop posting?

>>158886820
>Why would you even consider crab if you're a sane person and into BDSM?
meant *not into BSDM

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>>158886839
Can you stop shitting the walls with your shit taste?

>>158886893
I know I preempted your whole retarded routine where you gush about you're waifu while pretending you're making an argument but I'm just not feeling it tonight.

>>158886787
Her backstory is plenty sympathetic and all and I want to like her but her character conflict shouldn't function unless she's just legitimately autistic, which she's not supposed to be. She struggles acting normal which she wants to do as if she doesn't know how to but interacts with enough people that she should know how to do that just by having enough points of reference,

>>158886963
>Her backstory is plenty sympathetic and all and I want to like her but her character conflict shouldn't function unless she's just legitimately autistic, which she's not supposed to be. She struggles acting normal which she wants to do as if she doesn't know how to but interacts with enough people that she should know how to do that just by having enough points of reference,

You don't need to be autistic to struggle with communication and properly dealing with your emotions and feelings.
Are you calling everyone who's in love autistic?

>>158887026
I'm not specifically talking about her feelings for Araragi, I'm talking about her not knowing how to act normal in general.

>>158886963
I'm glad that someone agrees with my evaluation of Hanekawa, but I'm really not looking to repeating this whole song and dance.

>>158887043
Why would she know that with the family of hers?

>>158887087
She interacts with enough people to 'know' what normal is. A large part of her entire deal isn't that she can't or struggles to act normal but that she outright doesn't know how, somehow.

>>158886787
You can't even defend your waifu and just resort to inferring the people who dislike her to be immature. Too bad I don't give a shit. Of course I'm really fucking immature, but so are you when you go around trying to use appeal to age authority as an indication of superiority. You're waifu is shit, and so are you.

>>158887087
Plenty, because she interacts with hundreds, thousands of people who aren't a part of her family. She watches them be lazy, run from things that are hard, fail tests, and generally let their flaws get the better of them instead of acting like saints. Then she acts like a saint and wonders why she isn't normal.

>>158886820
At least crab can be mildly entertaining at times, despite being absolute shit. Hanekawa is just completely boring, the only good part of her was Hanekawa black and even that got ruined. Crab is shit, but at least she doesn't take up as much time in the story. Hanekawa is just an absolute drag on my enjoyment of the series.

>>158887178
>She interacts with enough people to 'know' what normal is. A large part of her entire deal isn't that she can't or struggles to act normal but that she outright doesn't know how, somehow.

To know what normal is is not the same as imprinting it. Also she's communicating with a fucking vampires and oddities, they are hardly normal.

>>158887239
She gets better further in the series I feel. She was cool in the Sodachi stuff and her low-key teasing Gahara over Araragi at the end of Ougi Dark was fun too.

Main problem with her is that the beginning of her arc progressed very, very fucking slowly.

>>158875886
There is none.
She's perfect outside of her ability to tell a corpse from a living person

>>158887272
Personally I thought she was at her best in Nise.

Being completely unecessary and forced into story way too late, and her design in anime is fucking ugly
>>158887239
>boring
Spoken like 13 yeard old.

>>158887323
>anyone who doesn't like muh waifu is a kid
Ok nigger

>>158887187
>people who dislike her are immature
But it's true?
They all like:"Hurr Hanekawa is boring but black is cool cuz muh BEWBS"
For them characters are like some kind of toys that supposed to entertain them, so unless these toys have no dumb gimmick, these chars are "boring", let alone the ability to feel sympathy for characters and relate to them like you would to real person.

>>158875886
She disappeared and hasn't been heard from since.

>>158887470
Because she is fucking boring. She's just yet another "wah I wish I was normal" nip archetype. It's not just that she's boring, she's uninteresting. I thought Black was interesting because she was devoted to someone, and because she had an interesting dynamic as she slowly merged with normal Hanekawa. The whole plot revolving around her stress and her inability to feel at home anywhere was a lot better than the same stupid shit almost every fucking character in anime does. Sure, it was slightly different from the usual "I want to be normal", but at the end of the day it's roughly the same thing. I don't care about realism or how well you can write a boring, uninteresting concept. I read, watch, and listen to other peoples work to find interesting things, not bland bullshit. If liking things to not be boring makes me immature, then fine, I'm immature. I'm not really interested in a maturity that's boring.

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>>158887627
>Because she is fucking boring
But she isn't.

>>158887917
She really is.

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>>158887950
You are just an underage who wants flashy and gimmicky characters. No wonder you can't appreciate Hanekawa with your lack of education and taste.
As cliche as it sounds, but you are literally just a filthy pleb. Which is, of course, not a rare case on 4chan.

>>158887984
Nah, she's just boring.

>>158887323
>Being completely unncessary
She's Araragi's backstory + it foreshadows Ougi's nature.

>>158887917
Congrats. She was decently interesting during Kizu when she was desperately chasing Araragi's dick. Then she got comfortable and decided to be Nofun McShitbantz.

>>158887984
Please elaborate on why your waifu is 2deep4me. What incredible insight have I failed to get?

>>158887470
The people talking about her earlier weren't complaining about the lack of a character quirk or some shit with her though, just that they didn't find her character arc itself all that interesting or convincing. You can understand a character arc and still find it boring or unsatisfying too, you know that.

>>158888065
She had such a sad home life and it manifested as an oddity. That's what sets her apart from the other girls as unique and interesting :^)

>>158888270
Wow, so deep I almost shit myself.

>>158887984
Nice argument there buddy, you sure showed him.

>>158888017
Not to mention that Kizu, Owari and Zokuowari are really the only seasons that are 'about' Araragi himself as a character really. The rest is way more about the other girls and their arcs, typically being viewed through Araragi's eyes.

Who has the biggest tits?

>>158875886
She's batshit insane.

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What were they trying to say here?

>>158888491
>character struggling with self-loathing kisses herself
Hmmm.

>>158887323
>and her design in anime is fucking ugly
I'm going to end you

flat
Flat chests only belong on lolis. Any older and it's just sad.

>>158886963

The issue is that she was raised by people who didn't raise her at all, so she learned by just reading books. She is literally going through life either guiding herself or having terrible guides.

Her best examples of normal people are a guy who deludes himself into thinking he is monogamous and vows to die with some other girl despite planning to marry his girlfriend, a hobo adult who shits on her nearly all the time who legit believes her parents had good reasoning to abuse and neglect her, a friend who puts on the face of someone normal, but inwardly has many issues with self-eteem with her boyfriend and sacrifices too much of herself for him, and had friends in the past who whenever she confided in them, shunned her instead of offering any helpful advice.

The fact that Hanekawa came out of accepting her emotions and is trying to do good by the disenfranchised should be something to be applauded, not call her autistic.

>>158888507
Hate sexing yourself

That's how I fap

>>158888270

You could diminish pretty much every other character like that as well, though. Its all up to taste, if you don't like a character from the outset, you tend to find more fault or dismiss them more easily.

What she brings to the table is the fact she has pretty good insight in comparison to the other characters and offers quite good advice. The main problem is that Nisio often uses her as his answer man or a mouthpiece, and her hero moments are understated even though in reality, she kinda deserves Araragi's admiration because she often is really helpful. Its why the Nips call her the background or "shadow" heroine.

Doesn't help the anime cut out a lot of the jokes and cajolery she has with Araragi, or the parts that showed between her arcs on she was trying to find an answer for herself to deal with her emotions and the stress that her parents would never change.

They also cut out important bits like Senjougahara's dad telling her how proud of her he was at the end of Tsubasa Tiger, so a good deal of context that builds on these characters is missed.

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Araragi should goes back in time to save her

>>158890497
People learn what normal is by socializing with other people. Hanekawa has done far too much of this to not know what normal is. Her home life is not an excuse. It's two outliers in a sea of better data that she has access to. She is literally too smart to not notice this. Stop fucking ignoring this and pretending "muh family life" is a valid explanation because it's not.

>>158876505
>better than Hitagi
A fucking turd is better than slutgahara.

>>158878502
Agreed. She's intolerable and the only character I've ever seen do banter poorly.

>>158891254
Araragi doesn't exactly have a good experience with time travel.

If he went back and saved Sodachi, he never would've gone into his edgelord phase (unless Sodachi not shutting the fuck up about math sends him into depression instead, assuming that they end up atleast being good friends in this timeline) and might not have even encountered a dying Kiss-Shot. It's possible that Kiss-Shot would've ended up at the shrine and reunited with the First Servant as theorised in Mayoi Hell but then we've got two powerful and pissed off vampires spawning in the middle of town which might be pretty bad.

>>158892303
>two powerful and pissed off vampires
I'm sure they would be quite happy. Shinobu Mail was a big deal because Seishirou being still alive and forgiving her was literally Kiss-Shot's wildest fantasy coming true, but Araragi was worth more than that.

>>158892303
>It's possible that Kiss-Shot would've ended up at the shrine
No, she would bleed out and die on the street

>>158893420
Wasn't she almost dead when rrgi found her?

>>158893477
That's what I'm talking about. If Shuraragi didn't find her there, she wouldn't end up at shrine or anything, she would just die and that's the end of the story.

>>158876339
Found the women's studies major

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Bat=Crab>Math>others>Snake>Cat

>>158895668
snail>bat>bee>others>snake>cat>math>crab

>>158895668
Switch cat and snek and we're bros

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>>158896163
I don't agree with everything, but overall nice taste snailbro.

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>>158895668
All the girls except for Crab>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>shit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Crab

>>158876339
Yes, and?
Autists are the ubermenshen of the future.

>>158892303
The Mayoi Hell visions are just hypotheticals intended to hammer into Araragi's head that he's not special, don't take them too literally.

He already had a crush on Sodachi at the time so maybe if he saved her something would've happened there.

>>158876505
>she's better than Hitagi and Hanekawa
Well, yeah... everyone is

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>>158895668
>Bat=Crab
> Crab > something

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>>158897312
>can't procreate
>the future

>>158875886
based on her op I was expecting her to be more stoic(I have a thing for stoic girls), but alas....

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>>158899121
Yotsugi already got that role. She is the series dork.

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>>158899895
>Yotsugi
there are two types of stoicism: one is the autistic kind in where the character is said to lack emotions, and then there is the mature type that is acquired from wisdom and age.

the latter's snide smiles is when I cum in my pants.

anyway I was hoping she would be the latter.

>>158885135
>>158893755
It's not a STEM vs. Humanities thing, most brilliant mathematicians genuinely end up either mad or addicted to amphetamines.

>>158900578
Or they're Indian.

>>158898513
>using the bait meme when you're baiting
Anon, is confirmed as a master baiter.

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I'm any other series she would have been one of the best girls. She's just a middle of the road Gatari.

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>>158900457
Rouka was already the calm and "rational" character, and it didn't work very well in Hana. An emotional and relatable character was the best choice, especially with that climax episode.

>>158900457
Good luck with that. You're gonna have to pick at scenes with the specialists or maybe Shinobu for scraps of something that vaguely resembles that kind of stoicism.

>>158895668
Literally the worst taste.

>>158900771
They spent way too long dumping her backstory and shit which is why Rouka was a bore, thought she came off better reading the LN version personally.

Also she's calm but not really rational. Araragi would probably like her a lot, she was helping others with no sense of concern for herself and had a completely roundabout nonsensical view of life in general just like he does.

>>158900457
So Gaen then?

>>158900896
Ararararagi would have wanted to take the devil parts from Rouka to help her, even if she didn't want to.

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>>158876339
FUCKING DELETE THIS

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>>158875886
>Literally too autistic to tell if a person is dead or alive.

>>158900771
>Rouka
I do not recall her,(though I did look her up) but then again I haven't payed attention to the series, and the only reason I remember the math girl is because I really like her op.
>>158900928
>Gaen
same thing here.

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>>158901546
Sodachi is from the very latest season though so it's weird to not remember her existence, and monogatari doesn't have more than a dozen named characters in the first place.

>>158875886
no booty

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>>158901714
Incorrect.

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>>158901659
I remember seeing her somewhere, cannot recall where, but I am sure I had.

maybe I am just deluding myself

>>158898751
Better give other intelligent people your knowledge than make another retard

>>158877038
>>158876505
I think her arcs work so well bc she'd introduced late into the story tho. After so many arcs based in fantasy where Araragi beats the monster and saves the day, her arcs about completely realistic problems where no one can do anything to help her hit like a freight train.

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>>158901810
fAnyone can appear to have a posterior when they bend at the waist. Flat pancake ass.

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>>158901985
She was already not flat with 12 years though. We don't the president because she had the least fanservice of any character.

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>>158902065
the present*

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That's not an ass, this is an ass.

>>158877601
>way worse
As if "Mathemagics" was bad... But either way, what are you talking about? What version?
>>158895668
Bat > Math >>> Snail > Bird > Bee >>> Others >>> Cat >>> Snake.
>>158901810
She already has the brains and the cute face, everything else is a bonus.

>>158901513
It's actually not an uncommon occurrence in the case of trauma. The brain's a pretty fucked up and flawed thing.

>>158900711
>when you're baiting
He's not baiting, he's stating the obvious
Crab = shit