why people not like isekai

why you guys not like dryad's

There's a whole load of it and most of it is just dull selfinsert wankery that doesn't bring anything new or original to the genre.

Being picked from the "Let's become a novelist" site doesn't help the quality.

>>158814228
some of them are kinda shit but its still a pretty badass genere

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>posting thumbnails
stop doing this you fucking retards

>>158814228
You just described 99% of all consumable media though.

Not that I disagree that most isekai is trash but so is the majority of everything.

>>158814267
Randy please

>>158814478
why you not like me daddy ????

Because if you've read one you've read them all. From one to the other, there's maybe a little tiny aspect that changes. In many of them the isekai part isn't even important at all, the authors just put it there so the reader (and mainly the author himself) can self-insert better. Why not just make a little tiny plot change and go full fantasy? And why always go middle-ages europe?

So, basically, it's not creative and doesn't get the mind going. Once you finish, you probably won't remember 90% of them after a while.

>>158814566
it getting oversaturated nowdays but still the best one I have read are still isekai

>>158814566
Only an author can self insert anon.

>>158814051
>think isekai is the best
>posts a thumbnail
Perfect demonstration of the average isekai fanboy's intelligence.

>>158814051
I love sakamoto666, he is the cervantes of our time

>>158814566
I wouldn't go as far as one is enough but yeah, there's a lot of overlap.

I mean, how many times have you read the MC joining adventurer's guild and hearing the same description? Yeah.

>>158814566
>doesn't get the mind going
>reading light novels for this purpose

Anon...

>>158814051
It's not like I don't like it but the major issue I have a shitload of Isekai are :
- world work like a video game like Overlord and Konosuba (character have a character sheet or speak about level) even if I like those two
- self-insert wankfest (Re-Monster and that one with the evil rapist mage)

I like Gate because it's fun to see two world with two complete different view and tradition collide and you don't feel like the fantasy world is a video game.

There is nothing wrong with Isekai.

The problem with Isekai is that it is cut and paste wish-fulfillment power fantasies, and most of the worlds in Isekai are basically cut and paste worlds from Final Fantasy and Dragon quest, more specifically the medievil worlds.

Make Isekai about a game of thrones style backstabbing and politicking in a steampunk world and I would love it. The problem is that this wont sell in Japan.

Can somebody remind me the name of that isekai anime.
Boy ends up in fantasy world where every conflict is settled through sports.
I can't remember it at all.

>>158814051
>Satisfying.

You mean how there is barely any build up or stakes so payoffs to arcs and ongoing plots feel weak, fights are extremely predictable and are basically just waiting for the MC to be in a position to do something and then he just styles all over the opponent who actually never even stood a chance, villains end up being lame and stereotypical scum with weak motives, and instead of developing relationships or characters the author just throws in more girls who end up lusting for the MC?

Most isekai are like the opposite of satisfying when it comes to stories.

>>158816747
Dog days?

>>158817100
Still w8ing for s4 and have Eclair be a main character again.

>>158817100
>Dog days
Yes thank you

Does no one here read Otoge Isekai?

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>>158814051

>Gets isekai'ed by truck-kun
>MC starts with a powerlevel of 8,000,001
>Stronget person in the world are around 1000

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Chapters 1-10:
>EEEEEEEHHH MONSUTAA??
>EEEEEEEHHH BATTORU??
>EEEEEEEHHH REBERU APPU??
>EEEEEEEHHH SKIRRU POINTO??

Chapters 11-20:
>EEEEEEEHHH KUESTO??
>EEEEEEEHHH GIRUDO??
>EEEEEEEHHH PAATII MENBA??
>EEEEEEEHHH DANJIN??

Chapters 21-forever:
>EEEEEEEHHH DORAGON KINGU??
>EEEEEEEHHH DEBIRU PURINSU??
>EEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHH

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>>158817380

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Isekai is the purest form of writing, it bares all and reveals one's inner soul.

>>158817380

>>158814051
The question you should be asking is "why is isekai such garbage"?

>>158814051
isekai is fucking pointless. why not just make it pure fantasy

>>158814051
The only thing fun about isekai is the setting, which is more or less pre-made for people. Think of it like baking a cake with the core of the cake already complete, and all you have to do is add the toppings to make it perfect.

Then what most novelists end up doing is completely fucking up on the toppings of the cake and making a complete mess. The cake is still edible, but the presentation is completely unprofessional.

That is where you'll find the problem with most isekai novels. Common mistakes include giving the story no tension at all because either everything goes in the MC's favor, or because the MC themselves are too overpowered and have a solution for everything. They become wish fulfillment stories that show no evidence of pre-planning and feel more like the author is making shit up as he goes along and not giving his characters a challenge.

The primary thing that keeps the reader engaged is the setting alone, which many isekai authors did not have to go through the trouble of planning out at all.

Anyone ready the lazy swordmaster?
That little Nainiae is melting my heart.

Arent people getting tired of isekai litterally everything is thrown at mc face drama, xp, skill, shallow harem. Then mc just use his brain doing japan shit thinking. Ffs they even spend/earn enough money to crash local economy.
Well excuse me now i m gonna play some stupid fantasy eroge, same thing but more enjoyable since you already turn off brain when playing

>ESL thread with a thumbnail
Really makes you think, huh?

>>158814051
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SERIOUSLY HOW DOES SOMEONE EVEN COME UP WITH THIS MATERIAL?

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I'LL TELL PEOPLE WHERE I GOT IT FROM SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY; YOU WILL RECEIVE CREDIT FOR THE JOKE

MAN

>>158814051
>Satisfying
Maybe if you've an unfulfilling life that's entirely your fault and haven't matured at all since you were 12

I find this shit absolutely infuriating

>>158814051
No that would straightforward Fantasy.

RPG mechanics in manga are retarded as hell, just go play a JRPG

>>158814051
Same. Hope it takes over anime completely.

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>Currently reading 152 titles
>36 are isekai

Help me /a/ I can't stop eating garbage

>>158820011
don worry that means that at least a fifth of your tastes is garbage.

>>158814051
/tg/ does it better
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Stranded_in_fantasy

>>158820011
Don't worry, there will be atleast 2 dozen more isekai coming out by next year.

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>>158817380
Japanese language in general sounds retarded, it's not excluive for isekai.

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I hate isekai but for some reason Overlord is one of my favorite anime of all time, I even read the LN despite hating LNs with the force of a thousand suns.

I don't know what's up with it that I just love I can watch that shit multiple times without getting tired. I've reread all volumes except 4 and 5 multiple times. There's something about it I love but I can't point my finger to what exactly.

>>158815139
What else do you expect from someone who was educated through /a/?

>>158820418
For me it's all the sheer autistic attention to detail that goes into all the unnecessary world building

>>158820418
>>158820595
I think it's because author actually has some proper RPG experience.

>>158820300
Japanese is literally the language of misunderstandings.

Release that Witch is my favorite isekai atm, but I wish it wasn't so happy go lucky for the MC. If he actually failed and had shit blow up in his face at times it would be a lot better. Things go too easily for him or conveniently work out, and in another 300 chapters he becomes OP just like every other isekai MC.

>>158820750
>>158820750
Its horrible language, so much that the translations suffer too.

I cant for my life read visual novels because how poorly they are written. Im not talking about the plot but the general writing style and everything it entails

I cant put up with it

>>158820418
Because there is more to it than bone wanking isekai.

>>158818053
>EVERYONE PLEASE VOTE TO ARCHIVE THIS THREAD
It's like I'm really in 2008.

What is the name of that isekai that the mc lets himself get raped for a month to justify his revenge?

>>158820858
Anon. Hey, anon...c'mere...a little closer...

His name is spelled "Gatsu."

>>158822121
They really stretch how much a mechanical engineer can do.
Dude remember shit that has nothing to do with his field of expertise and manages to pull off most of his inventions on the first try.

>>158814051
people are in general threatened by things that are perfect, it just seems completely unnatural compared to their perceptions of reality.

>>158820011
Are you reading good things or are they all garbage? Also have you read the good ones?

Good Isekai:
Mushoku Tensei
Lazy King
My Trans-Dimensional, Overpowered Protagonist, Harem Comedy is Wrong, as Expected.
Ore to Kawazu-san no Isekai Hourouki
Yuusha Gojo Kumiai Kouryuugata Keijiban
Tondemo Skill de Isekai Hourou Meshi

AND NOTHING ELSE.

>>158814051
Why isekai is good:
>a truthfully interesting concept in theory
>fun way to completely flip turn upside down the original setting/characters by dumping them into the relative unknown
Why isekai is bad:
>ultimately unfulfilling, no sense of true progression, main character is always the special snowflake with a cheat ability or le modern japanese knowledge
>you could play bingo with the stereotypical tropes and even the so called good isekai will land most spaces
>"isekai" in itself might as well be a synonym for "overpowered author self-insert harem wankathalon"

>>158824054
What about all the isekai that aren't part of the current crap trend?

>>158824054
>Good Isekai:
>Mushoku Tensei

Into the trash your opinion goes.

>>158814051
I like to think that they're normalfags who's contented with their lives. I mean they don't understand the feeling of thinking that you're born on a different reality.

>>158814051
Isekai is for iintelligent human beings.

>>158814051
>Isekai
>Always medival magic fantasy
>MC have power that other people dont have
>MC loved by many girl
>japanese language is standard in isekai world that MC understand

>>158822620
>Vote to Archive

do newfags even know this system used to exist?

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>>158824328
AND NOTHING ELSE.
The only old Isekai I've read is Those Who Hunt Elves, which isn't as good as the authors other works.

>>158824427
Mushoku Tensei has the best character ever created.

>>158824054
>not Release the Witch
>not Overlord
>not Dungeon Defense

>>158824732
Overlord has the overpowered MC problem.
Dungeon Defense is too edgy and everything immediately starts revolving around the MC.
Imma read Release the Witch now, but anything with 300+ chapters without resolution is shite.

>>158814051
Isekai is like tamplated that author lazy create world building

>>158824054
What's up with third title.
Searching as it is gives weird responses

>>158824909
Why not use our current world then?

>>158824324
Annoying Isekai for me is Isekai who use MMORPG/GAME system and the main character goes,
>"Oh my god, if i raised my Dex, my aiming will be more accurate. This is totally new information that others didn't even know"

When the author hyped the most pleb/common technique and somehow everyone in the setting didn't know how to use it... Sigh...

>>158824861
>Overlord has the overpowered MC problem
It's not really a problem when the story doesn't really focus on the fights and chooses to focus on the character interactions and the world reacting to MC instead.
The problem with overpowered MCs is that most author insists on focusing on the MC fighting different foes despite the fact that it's pretty clear that he is fucking invincible and thus all fights will be boring as shit.
>Dungeon Defense is too edgy and everything immediately starts revolving around the MC
I don't consider it over-the-top edgy. It's more darker than most stories and some characters are total edgelords but the story is engaging and the MC being smart is done right for once.
No idea what you mean about everything revolving around MC, so far he has forced himself into most situations in order to advance his plans.

>>158824956
I think the worsh is MC understand the isekai world because muh magic translation

>>158814566
As much as I agree, there's at least on isekai that proves you wrong on "they're all the same".

>>158824708
To think of it, Magic Knight Rayearth is technically Isekai.
And Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle is technically multi world Isekai.

But possibly among my favorite "technically isekai" that i can remember know would be Magic world saga of Mahou Sensei Negima.

>>158814051
because it's become far too common and therefore obnoxious and uninspired desu senpai

>read a story written by a nipponese basement dweller
>expect a literary masterpiece

>>158814051
Because its LN and WN if we have actual novel maybe another story

>>158825093
>isekai anime popular = masterpiece

>>158824861
>speed reader

Everytime, isekai truly is pleb filter.

>>158825059
Old isekai were pretty good, like Dunbine and Escaflowne.

12 Kingdoms is still absolutely untouchable by modern isekai stories.

>>158825300
Dunbine is like old mecha genre that isekaied

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>>158825059
>To think of it, Magic Knight Rayearth is technically Isekai.

Yes. Yes it is. The concept of traveling to another world as part of a story is older than dirt.


The problem with Isekai isn't that part. The problem is that more often than not there's no actual story. It's some bland asshole who gets a super power that lets him cheese wins and then turns into a harem where nothing happens for 20 volumes.

Shows like Rayearth, Escaflowne, El Hazard etc told actual stories. With beginnings middles and endings. The characters had to overcome obstacles and achieve a goal.

The problem with isekai is that the author writes down "MC-kun is a neet shut in who gets reincarnated into X world" and that's the end of his plan

>>158825371
Old isekai > modern isekai

>>158820850
He had an easy time because his third sister cause so much trouble that the church didn't realize what was going on in the west. It's a shame he will never get to meet her

>>158814051
When isekai is good now just trash

>>158825371
Anon can you list old isekai

Zero no tsukaima old or modern isekai.

>>158825300
>Old isekai

Hell, in slightly recent isekai, Isekai seikishi monogatari AKA Tenchi War on Geminar
We have overpowered mc with tons of girls fawning over him and still pretty damn fun to follow.

what went wrong with todays crop of isekai.

>>158825579
Zero no Tsukaima predates modern isekai and lacks most of the generic shit seen there.
That said, you could say Zero no Tsukaima being so popular was one of the reasons the isekai genre got so popular and eventually turned to shit.

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>>158825443
You can't even really draw that line, since there's plenty of stuff that is still "new" that is fine like Isekai Seikishi Monogatari.

It's the last 5 years or so where the crap has multiplied. And even then, there are decent examples like Overlord, Log Horizon, Konosuba or Youjo Senki. Even manga like Shut Hell edge on the genre with entertaining results.

The real problem is that the necessary quality of entry for LNs is so low that even the worst bottom feeder shit eater LN authors can vomit out tripe in the genre and have success as offering a self insertion point for hopeless losers will always be popular.

Any field, any genre of anything if you combine a highly profitable, nearly foolproof formula with an extremely low skill floor to get on it you'll have an endless wave of talentless hacks looking to cash in. That's just a fact of life.

>>158825681
Nips have shit taste and will eat the same formula over and over again and nip authors care more about rollin in dosh than writing actually good stories so they tend to write the generic shit that they know will sell rather than risk doing something original.

>>158825577
>he cant figure out shit from google
Shoo.

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>>158825577

Well I gave you a couple already and people have already mentioned others.

Essentially the best advice I can give is to avoid anime based on Light Novels because they never have any intention of telling a real story

>>158825579
Zero no tsukaima is the slightly recent, pre-modern isekai.

Technically it is in the same era with Tenchi war on geminar/isekai seikishi monogatari,

>>158824696
I do, though I came here in late 2012, when chanarchive's death was still fresh, so maybe I'm not newfag enough in this context. I feel like it's mentioned in enough old screenshots and stuff that you shouldn't be ignorant of it after a few years here (assuming you're actually lurking).

>>158814566

It doesn't help that the only thing most Japanese know of fantasy is fucking Dragon Quest.

Honestly an Isekai needs either a great idea, great world-building, or great plot progression. Having 2 out of the three is enough to keep me engaged.

The biggest problem with Isekai is that they're all based on LNs, and Jap LNs apparently don't have editors or something

>>158826131
More like they're all based on LNs based on WNs, which literally don't have editors.

>>158825996
Wizardry is pretty big in japan. Tough its mostly used in older isekai or mostly full blown fantasy series.

Well now is mostly dragon quest and most cliched mmorpg are basically what most isekai turn to for world building.

sometime they turn to wikipedia's first paragraph for pleb knowledge to be hyped in isekai world.

I still call bullshit on your average Joe using modern knowledge in a fantasy world. It would be useless and it always seems like it would just be more efficient to use the fantasy world systems to get by anyway.

>>158826131
WebNovel is the one with few or no editor.
Light novel came with editor that want author to cater to the most popular shit which right now is the wish fulfillment isekai.
Tough Lighnovel editor usually want the author to came with a gimmick to make their series a bit different with other.

>>158826216
It's bullshit because without eidetic memory it's impossible that even an MC that has some scientific background could remember all the shit most isekai MCs remember.
Honestly, I think I have never heard of an isekai MC trying to implement shit from his world only to say "Fuck, I don't remember how any of that worked"

>>158826296
>I think I have never heard of an isekai MC trying to implement shit from his world only to say "Fuck, I don't remember how any of that worked"
There's little narrative point in bringing it up if he doesn't remember, to be fair. Unless you're going for the "We were going to do this cliche, but we didn't!" comedy, which is pretty shit itself.

>>158826216
Modern isekai writer have tendency to skip on details in annoying ways

>I can make guns from modern world~! makes AR-15.
Skipping metalurgy skill needed, chemistry knowledge and material needed, and mechanical know how to design and build the damn gun.

But modern isekai doesn't even bother with that shit or turn that shit into plot point, they hand wave it with the MC is gungeek and Its Magic!

>>158826426
I was thinking more about MC having to find a way to compensate for something he doesn't remember.
Most MCs who try to implement shit from their old world seem to remember every single detail of every single step that they need to follow to create that shit.

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>>158826216
>>158826296

It's even worse when it's a high schooler.

Yeah humanity has come a long way in the past few hundred years or so but that doesn't mean people back then where fucking morons and the average shit headed teenager doesn't know fuck let alone have the capacity to actually produce anything.

Even the Connecticut Yankee was a grown ass man and some kind of super engineer. Im in my 30s and while I know how it works I couldn't build and engine. I couldn't make a gun.

They think because they're in what? 10th grade they're gonna go back and fucking wow anyone?

Do japs publish works from gaijin authors?

>>158826533
With pseudonym i presume.

Tough not sure on mainstream but in hentai series Raita and ShindoL is gaijin.

>>158826502
Drifter is isekai made by older/senior mangaka.

The MC carries some musket to the otherworld and knows how to create gunpowder but knows nothing on how make a gun.
He bring his musket to local blacksmith to mass produce it for his army but the local blacksmith have no idea on how to replicate it.
He have entire arc on finding dwarven blacksmith that later finally able to replicate the musket.

Later he found other otherworlder that carry revolver and gatling gun but the otherworlder being a bandit have zero knowledge on making one and right now they are still stuck on how to make the primer for modern bullet.

>>158817792
its shit.

>>158826502
This is the main problem I have with Release that Witch. The MC makes some incredibly complex stuff completely by memory and it is hand-waved away as "the witches did the hard part". Even with these faults though it still does the isekai kingdom building better than anyone, as he actually goes a bit in depth with regards to chemistry, metallurgy, etc.

>>158826931
And the MC is also completely normal, aside from his crazy memory. But even RtW makes the MC OP as fuck later on. I don't wanna spoil anything but the story really takes a dive after a certain point.

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>>158826931
>mfw people call the science parts boring and stupid

>>158827064
I don't dislike them but I wish I wasn't such an ignorant faggot.
I don't get 3/4 of what MC is talking about most of the time.

>>158826529
>They think because they're in what? 10th grade they're gonna go back and fucking wow anyone?

That's how teenagers work, yes.

It's pretty funny really.

>>158827122
I would rather have the MC drone about his search for mercury fulminate instead of just magically creating a near perfect replica via a hand wave.

>>158827122

What's to get? Even if you don't understand the details you should at least be sensible enough to know that it's important via context

>>158827332
Yeah I understand the general idea of what he is trying to do but I would be happier if I could understand his explanations, not only to see if the "reproducing things from my previous world" thing is done right but also to improve my enjoyment of the story,

>>158827006
Is this based on the raws? Did he win the duel against soul succing witch?

>>158827206
Not sure why author handwave those stuff.

It could be a good source of story/plot.
In drifter they have to find and negotiate with local mage group to get sulfur for making blackpowder.

>>158827787

Because interesting stories are hard to write when you can just instead have the MC lol magic his way to victory

Intrigue can come from all the girls wanting him but never confessing

>>158827759
Yes, I've read ahead.

After the "first arc" ends the story really goes off the rails, like the author was writing a whole new story but forced it into rtw. I consider the first arc to be when Roland defeats the church.

RtW ch600+ spoilers! huge spoilers! For example, MC suddenly becomes the first wizard, living in 2 different worlds, he gains OP powers that could even one shot a strong Devil. Past a certain point kingdom building is mostly done so the story takes very weird turns past that.

>>158828006
Right now RtW is almost up to ~1100 chapters on Qidian. So you can see how long the weird shit has been going on.

>>158828160
wait, its around ~820, my bad

It really depends what you're looking for in isekai. There's a lot of bland shit out there, yeah. And no matter what you like, someone else will tell you that it's poorly written shit and that you have terrible taste.

Most of the harem shit really IS poorly written trash. It goes for the harem just for the sake of having a harem and handwaves all the emotional issues. If it develops slowly and the MC properly interacts with the girls in the harem, and it doesn't grow too large (if you have more than 3 or 4, it's coming to the point where you are just going quantity over quality), it can work. But even then, it's pretty tough to justify and it's easy for it to seem like the author is forcing matters (because he is) or to think of the MC as a total asshole.

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>>158828006
>those spoilers

sigh, why did rtw have to go this route? it was perfect with just a normal MC who had to use his brain

>>158814051
I'd rather read a million clones of Tsuyokute than another fucking chapter of "Eh? I got transported to another world and was given a slave harem and an overpowered cheat?!". At least there the MC isn't totally insufferable and relies more on planning and experience than asspulls.

Seriously, why the fuck can't they at least filter through the shit and come up with something decent?

I hate how every isekai MC tries to convince me that living alone makes you cook like Gordon Ramsay.

>>158828528
Why are MCs who just use their brain so rare? That's why I like Dungeon Defense and Your and My Asylum so much. They have MCs who are pure brain and no brawn and I'm perfectly fine with it because they writing doesn't make everyone else retarded so the MC can come off as intelligent.

>>158828528
He probably ran out of ideas.

>>158828547
Fuck it. I am going to write an isekai about a single dude whose OP reincarnation cheat is a magically enhanced Blendtek blender. He will conquer the world with smoothies.

>>158826529
Why did the yankee know the date for a solar eclipse 400 years in the past?

That shit bothered me.

>>158828651
>Why are MCs who just use their brain so rare?
They are HARD to write. What tends to happen is that the author has to dumb down every other character to make the MC appear like a genius.

>>158828547
Most of the times it's them trying to convince the reader that japanese food is the absolute pinnacle of culinary experience.

>>158828899
>that bit in early RtW when Roland tried to implent chopsticks because he said they were superior to knives and forks.

>>158828899
Or, even worse
>live in a medieval world where soup is the main thing eaten
>invent chopsticks and flaunt how superior they are to stupid knife and fork

so stupid

>>158828651
It's hard to write an intelligent MC when you aren't actually intelligent. It's a lot easier to make everyone else retarded. This is extremely common in Chinese isekai, where some moron will walk up to the MC, cause trouble after ignoring the blatantly obvious clues that the MC is not someone to be fucked with, die miserably, and then someone who was behind him will suddenly become hostile to the MC instead of thinking "you know, perhaps I shouldn't fuck with this guy"

>>158829031
>not courting death regardless of the outcome
SHAMEFUR DISPRAY

>>158828983
Did he also go into big lengths describing how soy sauce is the best thing ever since the use of salt?

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>>158828899
>>158828988
>>158828983

See Japanese anything in a decidedly Japanese setting is retarded. Especially Katanas.

Id understand it if say a Samurai found his way overseas and needed a weapon he was used to. Instead it's some shitty Japanese nerd gamer who thinks Japan's shit is the best.

Spears superior.

>>158828006
Everything went wrong when Roland "defeated" the church. The author really should've went another route instead of using the beaten horse known as EVIL CHURCH. If Roland had decided to bring the reformation into his world it would've been soo much better than the shitfest it's become.

Right now the english translation is still in the best part of rtw, so it still has a lot of diehard fans, but I wonder how they'll act once we get up to chapter 700.

>>158829343
No, surprisingly Roland isn't much of a japanese weeaboo. He is more interested in industrial shit.
That said, I have only read up to chapter 191 so I don't know if he goes full "superior japanese cooking" later on.

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>>158829368
f a m

>>158829368
>ywn see an isekai bring the tercio to fight off barbarians

spear/pike + aquebus in a spanish tercio formation was a badass combo for almost 150 years

>>158829387
Well, in the author's defense the Church isn't really the usual edgy cult that is evil just for the lulz that you usually see in most isekai.
As far as they know their method is the only way to save humanity and they do feel like shit for all the things they are forced to do in order to achieve their goal.

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>>158829479

>>158829410
He doesn't describe food too into detail other than welcome banquets that are much better than the witches have eaten before. He does introduce ice cream and somewhere mentions bbq sauce however.

>>158829565
Oh, yeah, I remember he made BBQ sauce and some glucose thingy.

>>158829496
Even still, the church is still redeemable. Roland should've just purged the evil elements and reformed it. If he had done a reformation-style deal like Martin Luther and had made the witches akin to Saints it would've been far more realistic.

Churches don't just roll over and die because their army is gone. Imagine how cool it would've been if MC had swayed a few priests to his side and they could've led a crusade against the witch haters! A man can dream.

>>158829639
For example, Alicia. What if she hadn't been killed off, but instead was gradually converted to Roland's side? She could've been the first church priestess to start singing the praises of the Witches, but NOPE. Church is evil and must be wiped out!

It's one of the biggest peeves I have with RtW.

>>158829763
>Alicia. What if she hadn't been killed off, but instead was gradually converted to Roland's side? She could've been the first church priestess to start singing the praises of the Witches
Shit that would be cool. I always wondered why we got those chapters on Alicia just to have her killed off by a side character. It felt like a huge waste considering she was already doubting the Church a bit.

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>>158829639
>Sacrificing magical lolis is redeemable

>>158829964
Jesus christ are you even reading what I'm saying beyond the first sentence? I said purge the evil elements, which includes everyone high up in the Church that is involved in the nasty witch stuff. That doesn't mean EVERYONE is bad however - like Alicia and her mentor - and so the church could have been reformed if Roland wasn't such a diehard chinese atheist. He had already copied many things from history but seemingly ignored the Reformation.

>>158830049
Basically Roland should've hijacked the church after he purged the evil leaders and reformed it for his own purposes, to help spread his pro-witch propaganda. The fact that he didn't use this was such a huge blunder.

You can't just stamp out a religion, it will only make the believers even more fanatical. If he had formed a pro-witch sect a la how Protestantism was to Catholicism it would've been a lot more believeable, plus it would have the benefit of being a long-term solution that will be around after he is gone.

>>158820418
Because the author focuses on world building and character development and doesnt start wanking off the MC every single chapter.

>>158814051

Largely because of the world of references that Isekai lives in. In many other genres of fiction you get writers that are passionate readers, who have read through some of the best stories that humanity has produced, and that come at writing armed to the teeth with interesting ideas, timeless relationships, and a sense of what they are trying to say. Many of these authors have also lived rather interesting and varied lives and thus bring stories from their own life journey that are well worth telling.

Isekai writers on the other hand, live in a world of references to anime, games, manga, and other LNs, things that usually have taken small bits and pieces from great works, but are not the great works themselves. They come to writing armed with water-guns, filled with harem, deus ex machina, wish fulfillment, flimsy relationships, recycled ideas, and with no real sense of what they want to say, only a desire to be read and score epoints. Many Isekai writers have not lived particularly interesting lives, gone on worthwhile adventures, and the life journey they bring into the story is very often just the plainness and patheticness of the main character.

Not that some Isekai cannot be good-- like anything, it can. However, Isekai is simply more prone to being bad than other genres are because of how lax the conditions are and how accepting the audience is of very mediocre work.

>>158830049
>>158830218
The leaders weren't really evil.
They were trying to save the world from the Devils. If it wasn't not Roland then their method would have been the only way to prevent humanity form being wiped out.

>>158830049
The MC was of the opinion that religion is bad for progress, and he's right. Look at Islam. Supposedly a religion of peace, yet there's huge swathes of people who ignore this and use it justify all manner of atrocities. Right now, Christianity and Judaism are calm, but in the past, they had their own violent periods too. If there were no such things as jews, would the holocaust have happened? Nope. Rooting out religion entirely is the correct choice. It's sad that people get caught in the crossfire, which is probably why the author brought attention to conflicted characters to show that side of the story and not just be a total elitist prick.

>>158830049
But everything in the church is set up to fight against the devils and to later collapse so witches can take over , not to mention theres also the religion of the three gods. Theres really no need to replace it.

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Nirvana will save isekai.
>MC is a little girl who is slightly messed up in the head because her mother was essentially a female version of Shirou from Fate/Stay Night.
>Her companions are a little boy who would greatly prefer if MC was taller and had larger breasts, a princess that spent all of her kingdom's money on alcohol, and a man who fucked up everything because he wanted people to be free from the rule of gods.

>MC's rival is a final fantasy character that travels around in a unicorn airship with a bratty loli, a smug teenage girl, and two faggots who wear lots of jewelry.

>>158830288
>Rooting out religion entirely is the correct choice
This is a VERY LONG and SLOW process. It has taken us hundreds of years to get to this point, Roland's brute force methods would only serve to increase his chances of being assassinated greatly.

There's no logical way Roland could have made the entire kingdom turn from devout believers into atheists in his lifetime. Hijacking the church to make it pro-witch is a much more sensible idea, and I'm an atheist saying this.

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>>158830049
>>158830218
>Worshipping Abrahamic religions
>Believing in the Jew-in-a-stick

>>158830419
>>158830383
>>158830288
Atheism has to happen naturally.

>>158814051

I usually like it at the beginning, but what seems to keep happening is that the whole fact that the MC is from another wold become irrelevant and it's indistinguishable from a normal fantasy setting.

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You will never reincarnate as an onsen

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>>158817182
i read a few of the ones tl'd by oniichanyamete

>>158830383
He's got magic and shit, we can't measure it by our standard. Maybe it will only take him one century to do what we did in a millennium.

>>158830501
This actually exists? I must read it. Tell me he turns into viscous water and molests them. Also, name?

>>158830582
If Roland had recruited Alicia and her mentor (Mira?) and had a couple of priestesses of the church spreading a variant of the church's methods he could create a long lasting way to make Witches safe. If Witches were considered holy instead of evil they would be in a much better position to help humanity out.

Trying to force atheism into a medieval setting is the pinnacle of idealism on Roland's part.

>>158824956
i like the one ln where the MC gets isekai'd into a really shitty buggy game and just runs around exploiting all the bugs he knows about

I want to get isekai'd into the pope then I can genocide all these unbelieving filth.

looks like we finally see the Roland and Tilly meetup today!

>>158830738
>atheism
You realize that modern atheism is basically nature/science worship correct?

They didn't eliminate a religion so much as replaced it with a different one.

>>158831204
just be agnostic then, no one cares.

>>158824054
>NEW KAWAZU CHAPTERS NEVER

>>158831204
Is it really a faith, if the only faith needed is in logic and reasoning?

>>158815596
GATE isn't even the same shit

>>158831391
there is zero logic and reasoning in rejecting facts and evidence because it makes you feel bad

>>158831391
If we're going to get epistemological, then technically yes.

There's a point at which logic and empirical evidence stop and it becomes conjecture on "it should happen because this other stuff happens due to X cause." THEN it's a form of faith, even if it "makes sense" and is logical to imply. It probably could be justified or elucidated, but most people are happy just knowing that "it works and this is probably why" rather than working out why Avogadro's Number is a constant or accepting ideas on how the universe holds itself together.

We have to remember that religions start off as metaphysical explanations for why physical stuff occurs. It's just that humanity has a lot better understanding and replicability of the raw mechanics now to the point we can extrapolate without needing a priest to have "the sky people of choice for our cultural area" determine why there's a drought or bad shit happens to good people.

>>158831391
I bet you believe everything nasa and the gov tells you too.

>>158831391
If you want logic and reasoning, then why not replace atheism with agnosticism? Atheism is the belief that there are no gods or anything of the sorts, period, while agnosticism is acknowledging the fact that we really don't know shit about this either way. Atheism is like saying that there aren't any aliens or that all conspiracy theories are completely bogus and wrong, with no exceptions.

I feel like more people here should read Eliza. Novel is about a girl being reincarnated as the villainess of an otome game, but because the world doesn't behave like a game she has to go to war and becomes her world's version of Vlad III.
>Female MC
>No RPG mechanics
>Fantasy Europe without any random japanese elements (e.g. no katanas)
>MC doesn't have any special powers and can only fight because she is forced to go through military training from an early age
>She is still outclassed by a lot of adult soldiers and has to rely on her own troops
>Higher focus on warfare instead of fights between individuals
>Most characters, including the MC, prefer lances and halberds over swords and only tend to use the latter when the former aren't practical or available
>MC isn't instantly liked by everyone who's not evil and, with a few exceptions, needs to earn the trust of people before they become friendlier towards her

>>158832013
there's lots of otome game isekai
I read+liked "An Otome Game’s Burikko Villainess Turned into a Magic Otaku" and "Kenkyo, Kenjitsu o Motto ni Ikite Orimasu"

>>158831642
>"it should happen because this other stuff happens due to X cause."
That's the basis of science; it needs to be able to make reasonable predictions. "Theoretically, this is how things should go, considering the same factors happen here."

The only "faith" here is in the idea that the universe is internally consistent, at least to a reasonable degree.


The biggest difference between a "religion" and science, is that you could hypothetically start from scratch with Science, and eventually come to the same answers (granted, over several life-times).
Math has been invented several times throughout human history, but Christianity was only invented once.

>>158831794
>NASA
I acknowledge they know more than me, and if there's something I don't know, I can always learn.

>gov
I trust them like I trust a psychotic parent.

>>158831912
That's a funny way to put it.
The way I see it is, agnosticism is like vaccinating your children, but when others tell you that vaccines cause autism, you say "Well I guess that's fine. What harm can that do?" while ignoring that neglecting vaccination puts the population at risk.

>there aren't any aliens or that all conspiracy theories are completely bogus and wrong, with no exceptions.
That's just silly. This implies the supernatural has any actual basis in reality, while certain conspiracy theories actually do have evidence to support them.

>>158831391
>logic
disproves itself
>reasoning
impossible without logic

It is placing belief and asserting truth in that which may or may not exist, like literally every other faith.

>>158832299
>This implies the supernatural has any actual basis in reality
What about stories that do have supernatural shit happen in reality, like Release that Witch? The fact that there ISNT a religion or cult that already worships witches is somewhat unbelieveable, given how much they can do with the right person guiding them.

They've had ~450 years and we're supposed to believe nobody else besides Roland and the church has figured out witches can actually do really useful shit that can make life easier for people?

I think a lot of people have this mistaken impression that if isekai was gone we would get better settings. No, if isekai was gone we would get the generic high school setting. Isekai is not a bad trend for anime stuff. There's a ton you can do with it, it's a hell of a lot more interesting than high school harem #25,358

>>158832403
The Church made sure they could monopolize the witches and even then you have people like Nighingale's uncle who realized how useful a witch could be.

>>158832299
>The way I see it is, agnosticism is like vaccinating your children, but when others tell you that vaccines cause autism, you say "Well I guess that's fine. What harm can that do?" while ignoring that neglecting vaccination puts the population at risk.
Not sure I agree with that way of putting it either, since while not vaccinating people is a clearly dangerous and proven to be so, religions are not by and large threats to humanity, any more than humans are a threat to themselves. Sure, there are the extremists and such, but religion is just an extra step between those people and the acts they commit. People waged war over religion back in the day, but in the end it was about greed and such, just like the empires of old. Nationalism, racism, religion, it really doesn't matter, since people will come up with something to justify themselves in either way.

>That's just silly. This implies the supernatural has any actual basis in reality, while certain conspiracy theories actually do have evidence to support them.
Yeah sure, but I mean like the whole thing with alien abductions and stuff. Back when it couldn't really be proven one way or another, or could be faked easily enough, there were a bunch of people saying that they had been abducted, or that they saw UFO's. Now that it's harder to prove, it doesn't happen anymore. Kinda like miracles and the supernatural in general. And I did say "no exceptions" when it came to conspiracy theories.

>>158826614
>ShindoL is gaijin.
NANI!?

>>158832403
>The fact that there ISNT a religion or cult that already worships witches is somewhat unbelieveable
Actually, it's later revealed human society use to be ruled by Witches. It was like a cast system where girls who become witches are considered higher class citizens with their family's status being elevated as well. Normal humans over all were like peasants and stuff.

However, during a grand war with the devils, there a faction of witches that prioritized the survival of humanity as a whole (seeing as Witches would be born as long as there were humans). When the various witch kingdoms collapsed, this faction became the Church.

The reason the Church continues to suppress Witches despite this, is because the Church is using them as consumables to create the God Punishment Army.

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>>158831912
Agnosticism and atheism are compatible and in fact most atheists are agnostic atheists
In other words, they believe that there is no god, but they also believe that it is impossible to formally prove or disprove the existence of god.

>>158814051
Isekai: transported to a fantasy world is fine. Its the reincarnation and my Video Game is now real sub-genres that are cancer and must be purged.

>>158832073
I love those two. I just wish that the translators for both were more consistent on releases. Kenkyo is ridiculous fun despite how nothing really bad happens.

>>158832679
>Video Game is now real
Jesus Christ I hate this. I mean, if it was just something like Overlord then I could forgive it, but the generic "I says Status and I see my stats, I level up with EXP and distribute stat points" thing is FUCKING STUPID. WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS?

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>ITT
>/a/ - Epistemology and Metaphysics

>>158814051
Red flags:
>MC is a NEET/otaku
>MC is a male NEET/otaku
>MC dies like a bitch
>MC is a 12 year old's definition of badass
>Harems with little justification
>Harems played seriously
>Harems where the girls are fine with sharing a guy
>Skill system
>Leveling system
>"I'm such a cheat character"
>MC is OP but the focus is still on action and fights
>Something something rice
>Something something "modern technology"

>>158830501
its writed on the pic you idiot
Isekai Onsen ni Tensei shita Ore no Kounou ga Tondemosugiru

>>158814051
It's uninspired trash. Anything interesting that could've been done with it was done decades ago in better anime/manga.

The modern incarnations of the genre are so indulgent and poorly written, that I can honestly say I haven't seen a single decent one.

Ok fine, Log Horizon was decent.

>>158832799
It's essentially because of several reasons:
>we have to remember we're reading young adult tripe (like, middle school-tier here)
>most of this stuff isn't professionally edited until after it gets picked-up by a publishing company looking to cash in on web novels that could prove a profit
>Japan largely doesn't ask for realistic gimmicks/settings because they mostly care about CHEAT WIN SASUGA MC-KUN rather than building a coherent world (I mean, seriously, look at how many RPG-esque medieval pseudo-Europes there are in isekai)

>>158830373
I see this mentioned all the time yet no one actually translates it

>>158832799
and every single isekai story seems to have an adventurer's guild with a description that's just copy-pasted from another isekai
and probably 50% of them have MC-kun fighting against the "Maou"/"Demon King" with an army of demons that look exactly like humans except with the possible addition of anime hair colors

Because it's lazy. You can avoid building a proper Secondary World with it's own History and consistency by applying video-game logic to everything, which also lends to being just a power fantasy trip for the author and reader.

>>158815596
Gate is barely Isekai. I think it technically counts but it doesn't follow any of the other tropes, besides having a 90s style harem, which is far less annoying than more modern harems.

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>>158814051
Otome isekai are infinitely better than the cookie-cutter fantasy stats shit

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Do isekai authors have a grudge against medieval or Europe in general?
All they ever write about is how an average japanese high-schooler can btfo the local nobility and plow their seed inside fertile aryan womb.

>>158832890
It's licensed so nobody can translate it.

>>158814698
>>158814267
>>158814051
Tell us good isekai

>>158832977
Until you read your second one and realize it's still cookie-cutter fantasy "everyone loves me because im [insert trait]" story. otome isekai are all the same thing, except juts pandering to females so they can self insert.

>>158832932
Also, the West has being doing this Isekai shit since forever. Until before Tolkien shaped the fantasy genre as we know today and gave rise to the demand of proper built fantasy worlds with their own mythology, the rule for pulp fantasy was "modern day/future day man is transported to another dimension/stuck on another world".

>>158833060
arifureta

>>158833060
Overlord
My Death Flags Show No Sign of Ending
Ouroboros Record
Does "The Tutorial Is Too Hard" count?

>>158833101
>the West has being doing this Isekai shit since forever
give me 5 western isekai that are not narnia and yankee in arthur's court.

>>158833050
Oh, the good old cliche of the nobles who are over-the-top edgy puppy rapists who can't contain their narcisistic views and sadistic impulses and constantly show how much of an asshole they are.
I fucking hate it.

>>158833114
>Ouroboros Record
This one needs the MC to face a legit challenge or even fail sometimes.
When he won that duel because "lel magic equipment I made despite the fact that alchemy has shit to do with making magical equipment " I got really mad.

>>158833060
Contemporary or can I pick older Isekai?

>>158833197
Sure, but there's literally only 11 chapters translated, and it's been good otherwise, so I'll just call it build-up and give it the benefit of the doubt for now.

Though getting the elf was a bit bullshit.

>>158833136
Anything fantasy published by the shitloads in comic book form or in pulp-fiction magazines until the 60s.

>>158825690
My thing is, I just do not understand how so much trash gets published. The market is so fucking saturated at this point that most of this crap has to cost more to produce than it brings in in sales.

>>158833136
John Carter of Mars
Peter Pan
Wizard of Oz
Alice in Wonderland
TRON

>>158833060
Digimon adventure
12 kingdoms
Youjo senki
Overlord

>>158832679
>reincarnation
Why? I mean, it's been overdone, and they tend to follow the same paths, which is pretty silly, but the concept itself isn't bad.

>my Video Game is now real
Yeah, this is just stupid. Having "stats", "skills", and so on just cheapens the story, in my opinion, and I barely tolerate some stories that make use of them, especially where the story focuses so insistently on them, to the point that the story may as well just be about a VRMMO instead of another world.

>>158832910
>every single isekai story seems to have an adventurer's guild
Holy shit, what is with this anyways? Do that many JRPGs have an Adventurer's guild?
Why is the Adventurers Guild always some weird mix of handymen freelance association, and a mercenary group? Why do kingdoms just let this massive unified entity set up its own independent fighting force in every nation? Why does the Guild treat "recover this special herb" and "kill these monsters" as the same type of job? Why does the grading system often ignore the capabilities of a member?
A person who spent their life training to cut down monsters and people isn't going to be very knowledgeable in harvesting an obscure plant.

So many weird aspects to the Adventurers Guild concept, that it only makes sense if you consider it was meant to be an explanation for the Quest system of a JRPG.

>>158832932
This isn't an inherent trait of "isekai", just a trend that nearly every author follows for no good reason.
You can do the same thing with just "standard" fantasy, without the need for reincarnation or world-traveling.

>author introduces stats into the story
>4 chapters later MC has 99999999999999999999999999 in every stat
What's the fucking point?

>>158833060
Nigotta Hitomi no Lilianne
Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka?

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>>158833364
>Tron

Hahaha I didn't even think of that. Nice catch anon.

Also Nana is best girl even if she doesn't get that much time.

>>158833527
Liza is best girl and also the one that doesn't get enough love.

>>158832834
>Harems where the girls are fine with sharing a guy

Fuck you.

>>158833558
until you get to like volume 14 and she joins the harem instead of remaining in the beastmen daughteru club

>>158833577
would you like to share a girl with a chad?
neither does a girl want to share a shad with a stacy.

>>158833586
When did that happen? I haven't picked up since the weasel emperor went full kaiju and a god was summoned to fight him

>>158833577
This is a huge sign of someone who is indecisive enough to waifu the entire female cast of a harem, in other words, a terrible author

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>>158833558
Liza gets pretty much the most art of any of the girls. She is pretty much featured on every cover with Tama and Pochi.

>>158833650
>the weasel emperor went full kaiju and a god was summoned to fight him

i swear to god i hate this fucking series.
also it was before that, it was during the capital arc when she started showing feelings for MC-kun during the duel with that one knight.

>>158833629
>implying the genders have the same standards for mating

Women have shown all throughout human history that they would rather share a high value man than settle for a low value man they have exclusive access to, if given the choice

>>158833679
Harem endings are the best though.

>>158833756
smells like beta orbiter.

>>158833726
Yeah but in the story she barely gets any attention, mainly because she isn't throwing herself at MC's dick like all the other girls

>>158833787
>beta orbiter

Smells like crossboarder.

>>158833825
>Smells like crossboarder.
smells like newfag.

>>158833629
Funny enough, there are polyamorous relationships nowadays. It depends on the person.

But as you say, most people don't really want to share their "partner". Most harems in history have been politically motivated, rather than "all these girls like this guy, and are ok with sharing."
However, that doesn't mean it's never happened. The only reasonable way to have a harem of love that isn't filled with jealousy, is if it was decided from an early age, and each partner was pretty much raised as though it was normal. Though, you could argue that would be like a form of husbandry, and assumes a best-case scenario.

>>158833408
To clarify, it's the memories fully intact since born that I actively dislike. The average japanese salaryman acting like a baby/kid/teen is off putting to say the least. Better for the memories to be vague notions so the MC can develop his own personality.

>>158833854
>Most harems in history have been politically motivated

https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

In our uninhibited state, women have zero issue sharing a high value male.

>>158814051
>people not like isekai
Anyone who singles out a trope or genre to dislike is a pleb. It's the same fucking thing with Vampires, Time Travel, Battle Royales, Death Games, Gambling,...etc. You'll always find autists who claim that "X is a garbage" just because a fucking word in the tags triggered them, when it's all about the execution not the classification. Fiction should be judged on a case-by-case basis.

Good authors will take a trope/genre and create entertaining stories no matter how overused that trope is and they might even add new elements to it to be copied later, while bad authors will rely on market fads and try to shove as much elements as possible from the top 5 best selling works in said genre just to make a quick buck. This doesn't say anything about a genre, only individual authors or works.

>>158814566
I agree. The only thing that changes is what gimmick it is that makes them really OP. It's always the same shit where they don't wanna stand out but end up standing out anyway, every girl wants their dicks but they're either nice guys and do nothing or fuck every one of them. Then they go to an adventurers guild where they explain the same boring system where you start at F rank no matter how strong you are and it goes up to SSS or someshit.

I read the manga when new chapters come out to pass the time, some are too garbage toeven bother reading - no clue why Overlord is as popular as it is for example. Then someone comes along and says "Dude, manga skipped over a bunch of DETAILS, just like, read the LN bro".

So you read the novel, turns out the manga skipped all the super-boring infodump garbage ie. detail that will never ever matter but the author vomited it into the story just so it has more "substance".

>>158834045
I don't know, I like Overlord because of all the detail that goes into the world building and the funny character interaction but I guess it's not something everyone enjoys.

>>158833966
In our inhibited state, civilization does not exist.

>>158834158
I dislike overlord because nothing ever happens. It's all about the generals sucking off ainz's dick while they've barely moved out of the confines of their fortress.

>>158833527
Aze best girl. Lowly humans can never compare to high elf sama.

>>158834235
That's only true in the first volume when he is still taking his first steps in the new world, after that pretty much all the story takes places away from Nazarick and Ainz barely visits that place.

>>158833966
>women have zero issue
>zero issue
This makes a lot of assumptions about a group of people, based on incomplete statistics. This is based on DNA analysis, which only takes into account the outcome, not the process.
This doesn't mean there were rampant harems everywhere, or that women were "ok" with sharing a man; just that the end result was that there was a bottleneck in the number of males reproducing.

Heck, it could even mean that certain male ancestral family lines just merged with other lineages and the Y-chromosome was replaced. This sort of thing could happen even with a perfectly monogamous society, like how China's family names have all been devoured to the point that the expression, "Three Zhang, Four Li" means "everyone".
Using the same methodology, we can trace back human ancestry to about 10 women. This doesn't mean that these 10 women were fucking a hundred guys; just that these 10 women are the only maternal lineages that survived, with other lineages "dying out" after only producing sons.

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>>158833805
Still gets more art than Karina or Sistina.

>>158814051
I like fantasy is one of my favorite genres, what I do not like are these shit works Self-insert edgy lord,

>>158834348
you forgot about the lizard volume
but then again who wouldn't

Has there really been much sci-fi isekai? Digimon, Muv-luv, Btooom! and Dual! Parallel Trouble adventure are the only ones i can really think of. Maybe Psyren, but thats a back and forth from the normal world to the sci-fi world.

>>158833060
Kenkyo Kenjitsu
The Lazy King
Dungeon Defense
Evil God Average
Demon Girl ~tale of a lax demon~
This World Is a Game, but Only I Know
Log Horizon
Destruction Flag Otome
Release that Witch

Good LN that are not isekai
Sevens
The Snow Country Hunting Life of the Northern Nobleman and the Raptor Wife
The Girl who ate a Death God

>>158835893
There's a ton of isekai about pretty much anything, they're just not that popular and don't get translated.

>>158814051
I think the problem is that a lot of bad writers favor using an isekai setting.

>>158833805
>>158834373

The MC should give the dick more freely. It was nice to see him act like a human being and buy a whore to relieve stress. Still, with so many women willing to throw themselves at him it will get stupid if he doesn't make the move on one soon.

>>158820418
>>158820595
>>158820721
>>158820972
>>158830229
> Character development
Ultimately pointless within the narrative and just for supposed show and nothing more as it all amounts to nothing.
> Focuses on worldbuilding
Sure, typical fantasy stuff that was never unique in the first place and just standard. Meanwhile, the most important questions were never answered as there were little-to-no hints on the matter and just focused on jobber perspective. Which jobber perspective sucks.
> inb4 mental disability or speedreader or nitpicking over summoning
Let me remind you Overlordfags are full of shit when you say this because you lack any way to respond other than ad hominems. Fuck you and your series. Overrated shit.

>>158814051
it's the most fun thing to pick up for one chapter to say "Wow, that's kind of cool!", and then proceed to never read again because there's literally no fucking point in reading past that chapter.
i'm not surprised people like them and there are definitely some outliers that manage to be quite good, but you'd be completely inane to call the typical trash (e.g. whatever your image is) "good" in any way.

>>158836923
He's willing to dick Nana but keeps getting cockblocked, the rest are simply outside of his strike zone. He already promised to fuck Arisa and Lulu when they become adult.

>>158825027
Problems with Overlord
> Tone consistency
> POV shift uniformity
> JUST CUZ SUMMONING THAT GETS DRAGGED ON FOR FAR TOO LONG.
I can list more.

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>>158837396
Shame about Karina though.

>>158836652
Why would you give recs to a retard? How fucking new are you?

>>158837396
Arisa a shit. Mia a shit. Lulu a best.

>>158833197
>>158833285
There was a note at the end of chapter 10 or 11 explaining that. Supposedly, it's a magician's enchantment or something. While it is convenient to have, it's price is rather large range to the point either you do some sort of event or have a surplus of funds (can't remember). Basically, a high level of knowledge of magic or something along those lines. But this is a grain of salt, not exactly confirmed since I can barely understand it.

Some isekai are actually really good, but it's the ones that focus on an overall story instead of a sole focus on generic battles with an overpowered protag or a harem. Also, guilty pleasures are okay to have you don't have to defend everything you enjoy that others do not like.

>>158833577
Women are notoriously jealous of other lovers/mistresses/wives/etc when they know about each other. Harem girls that don't show even the slightest hint of jealousy are pure wish fulfillment fantasy. I can understand not wanting 3dpd levels of bitchery, but why can't girls get even a tiny bit jealous or displeasure?

I know there are exceptions to this but they are pretty rare in most harems, although you'll often see one token super jealous girl.

>>158820011
screenshot your list. I've ran out of things that I read daily. Just stockpiling things that are only good for bingereading.

>>158835893
I actually want to write an isekai using this as a basic premise

>Sci-fi based mercenary MC 'acquires' spaceship, fails a FTL jump and crash lands on a fantasy planet. He's stuck there forever.

The only problem is I'm not sure how to integrate him into the story. He would be a total outsider reliant on any translation tech he has. I would also have to carefully pick what tech he has though to prevent him becoming too OP by himself.

Maybe just a database of info and an eye scouter. If I wanted him to find some gear from his crashed ship later maybe I should make him eject via escape pod pre-crash.

>>158838008
That premise is always interesting. It reminds me of that movie starring the Jesus guy, but it was insectoid monsters and vikings.

It seems shieldbro has an anime incoming

>>158838008
>How to integrate him?

He is a Hobo for the first year surviving off the land and fending off whatever threats face him, eventually he comes into contact with a village and begins trying observing and trying to start up communication with them.

As for gear you can have his entire ship be fucked and everything need repairs do he could have access to shit later down the line after putting in time to fix it.

>>158814051
There is good and bad. Isekai is not homogenous.

>Classic tier
- Digimon
- Escaflowne
- El Hazard
- The Twelve Kingdoms
- Rayearth
- Dunbine
- Tenchi Muyo - Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari
- Now and Then, Here and There
- Inuyasha
- Zero no Tsukaima
- Utawarerumono
- Duel Savior
- Eien no Aselia
- Muv-Luv Unlimited/Muv-Luv Alternative

>Archetype tier
- Mushoku Tensei
- Kenkyo Kenjitsu
- Overlord
- Shield Hero
- I'm a Spider
- Evil God Average
- Oda Nobuna
- Log Horizon
- GATE JSDF
- Release that Witch

>Atypical tier
- Re:Zero
- Grimgar
- The Faraway Paladin
- Konosuba
- Youjo Senki
- Dungeon Defense
- Mondaiji
- Risou no Himo Seikatsu

>Fun garbage tier
- Arifureta
- Bluesteel Blasphemer
- No Game No Life
- Outbreak Company
- Mixed Bathing in Another Dimension
- In Another World With My Smartphone
- How A Realist Hero Rebuilt the Kingdom
- Slime Tensei
- Koihime Musou
- Dog Days
- Knights and Magic
- Tsuki ga Michibiku
- Wortenia Senki
- Any high ranking Xianxia

>Total garbage tier
- Death March
- Re: Monster
- World Teacher
- Word Master
- Dungeon Seeker
- Master of Monster
- Gun Ota
- Nidome no Yuusha
- Suterareta Yuusha
- Seirei Gensouki
- Anything with "Cheat" in the title
- Anything about Skill Taking
- Anything about Slaves

>Not isekai tier
- Sword Art Online
- Danmachi
- UchiMusume
- Ore ga Heroine
- Infinite Dendrogram
- Paying to Win VRMMO
- Sevens
- .hack

>Inverse Isekai Tier
- Maou-sama
- Maidragon
- Elf-San wa Yaserarenai
- Thermae Romae

>>158834235
Fucking animeonly shitters.

Even then the anime proves you wrong.

>>158838151
I can't wait for all the accusations of misogyny from the peanut gallery.

>>158838008
There's a number of stories on royalroad with pretty much identical premise. Science fiction characters crashing on fantasy worlds.

>>158824054
>Lazy King

I can't bring myself to like it that much.

>>158838008
Literally Star Ocean

>>158817673
Don't forget about MC's being disrespected/bullied/NTR'd/ect. so the beta reader can identify and want to keep reading so they can finally magic nuke their antagonizers

>>158833060
Warlock of the magus world

>>158838290
There's so many writers today that almost no plot is truly unique anymore.

>>158826529
>but that doesn't mean people back then where fucking morons

Oh I don't know anon. Just cos you're a useless dumbass doesn't mean other people are.

>>158828528
>>158828006
Honestly I predicted it.

It's not something that I dislike though. I'll have to read it myself to see if its shit.

>>158838366
You say that and then a story like "reincarnated as a vending machine" comes along.

>>158820418
I first got into Overlord because it seemed like a quick run through of accepting death and isolation. That's where the story pretty much starts with the game world shutting down it could be easily seen as a man with a terminal illness dying. And then when he wakes up in the otherworld its about accepting that the people he knew where for all intent and purposes dead. The tomb was a very good metaphor.

>>158838290
>Science fiction characters crashing on fantasy worlds.
How do said characters act, do you know? What I mean is, do they go around challenging everything to a fight, do they found their own kingdom, do they go on a world tour, or do they try to get back off the planet?

>>158830489
ie. via philosophy.

>>158832013
>Eliza the Impaler
Mein bruder und kameraden. Honestly, Eliza is the best isekai I've ever read. MC don't even try to change the system or introducing some technology like other shitty power wankering isekai. Instead she adapted to the system because "don't change what is not broken". Hell, she even defend the system and become more 'noble' than average noble.

Okay the isekai meme has existed for several years at this point.
I KNOW some of you have attempted to write one.
Post em.

>>158838497
Touche. That vending machine story is certainly a unique premise. Although there are more and more 'i got reincarnation as a wacky object' lately, like that sword one where a catgirl wields him.

>>158833114
>My Death Flags Show No Sign of Ending
I love how the mc has to calculate exp and guess his level, none of the shit like status window like every fucking video game isekai out there

>>158838599
A Hero's War

not mine but its clearly inspired by isekai

>>158815596
>two world with two complete different view and tradition collide

More like Japs with a far superior world view and taste steamroll the barbarian westerners.

>>158838599
This is my go-to idea. Japanese WWII admiral. Fantasy world. Poor fishermen village. Pirate orcs want bishoujo fisherman daughters as tribute. Build ship. Harem crew. Dragons carried on Whales like aircraft carriers. Pirate demon lord. KanCol or HaiFuri x isekai.

>>158829031
>cause trouble after ignoring the blatantly obvious clues that the MC is not someone to be fucked with, die miserably, and then someone who was behind him will suddenly become hostile to the MC instead of thinking "you know, perhaps I shouldn't fuck with this guy"
Nah see you're getting it all wrong.
The antagonists are perfectly aware that MC isn't to be fucked with and it's not worth the effort but FACE demands they fuck with the MC and die trying because if they weren't that type of person they would not have acquired the position they are in to begin with.
It's really stupid and contrived most of the time but it does make sense. These guys are so used to hammering down nails they don't know what to do when they see a "do not push" button other than try to hammer it down too.

>>158838160
>Total garbage tier
>-Anything about Slaves
>Shield hero in archetype tier
What did he mean by this

>>158814051
Isekai is fine when done well but most of them are lazy cashgrabs trying to take advantage of the current Isekai fad

Also most of them don't even try a little bit to think of a way to have their characters progress naturally so they just default to video game mechanics

>>158838528
The two I know of have one of the MCs trying to repair / reconstruct her ship so she can get off planet. That involves a lot of traveling around looking for alternate materials.

The other, the MCs basically settle down, remodel their starship into a home, get married, and sort of have a silly fantasy world life.

>>158833060

Mondaiji-tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru Sou Desu yo?
Akuyaku Tensei Dakedo Doushite Kou Natta.
Log Horizon
Nigotta Hitomi no Lillianne
Destruction flag otome
The reincarnated vampire want an afternoon nap

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>>158838647
>ywn go back in time to ww2 and bring japan to victory as the best samurai in history

>>158814228
I fucking hate it when I see "I obtained cheat level X" Like goddamn nigger, work for your shit. And everytime I see "Oh by the way I did this because x" I want to strangle someone because it's just them dismissing consequences offhandedly because they dealt with something somehow earlier.

>>158837457
>I can't keep up if the story's not a linear mc focused POV

Your A.D.D is not an argument.

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>>158838599
Stalin reincarnated as a Princess.

>>158838829
Shield Hero contains slaves, it isn't about slaves like e.g. dorei harem is

>>158838817
face is the worst shit ever

the only good chink webnovels are the ones that minimize face as much as possible like RtW. i get so tired of seeing

>YOU DARE INSULT THE YOUNG MASTER?
>YOU ARE COURTING DEATH!

>>158833525
My Nigger.

>>158814051
not enough sex and rape. its literally a genre for babies

>>158833322
Humans are pretty good at making books, so we make a shitload of them. Every genre has a lot of trash, it isn't like LNs/isekai are any better or worse than normal.

Remember, a lot of what we read is filtered from translators who read a ton of shit on narou/etc and pick the better stuff to translate. So even though we may not be getting War and Peace style stories translated we are at least not getting bottom of the barrel shit. Usually.

>>158829031

Nah, that's just realistic writing instead of pandering to basement dwellers who want a logical world in their fiction due to the chaotic retarded world that they actually live in.

>>158838151
>>158838257
I dread and await the day that the anime airs, the fanbase size explodes overnight and grinds whatever kindness i have in my soul to the ground

How does /a/ feel about Tate no Yuusha getting an anime adaptation?

>>158839079
I would comment on what you've said but you are really vague.

Realistic writing would be giving everyone a different intelligence. The dumb peasant, the conniving lord, the miserly merchant, all should be intelligent in their own ways, not equally stupid in the face of MC's enlightened ideals.

>>158839250

People generally aren't logical and based their decision on emotions and ego in real life.
Even smart educated doctors, which is why they keep falling for scams.
You are retarded and below average intelligence hence you don't get it.

>>158837774
harems in the first place are wish fulfillment fantasy
especially when the MC has no actual positive factors to attract them and they just all fall in love with him for no reason

>>158839214
Apprehensive. I'll get to see Raph and Firo animated so I'm happy, but I wonder who they'll get to voice whom. Without a doubt the trolls and haters of isekai will invariably flood in like a pack of flies on shit.

Things like false rape accusations, renaming the princess to Bitch and such, will probably cause minor shitstorms. Especially with a certain thin-skinned group.

Why do so many isekais have levels and status screens?

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>>158839369
>Without a doubt the trolls and haters of isekai will invariably flood in like a pack of flies on shit.
>Things like false rape accusations, renaming the princess to Bitch and such, will probably cause minor shitstorms. Especially with a certain thin-skinned group.
This.

>>158839324
face is still a retarded concept

fuck off chink

>>158839369
>>158839401
So basically the shitstorms that we had back when the WN was getting translated will repeat themsleves but in a much greater scale.

>>158839396
Easy (read "lazy") way for the author to show that the MC is getting stronger and to establish other character's strength.

>>158833060
Dungeon Meshi and Goblin Slayer

>>158839488
Such is the fate of all anime adaptations of everything. Best we can do is shield (heh) ourselves of said stuff once it pops up. Not only the isekai shitposters and naysayers, but also whatever waifufags, shieldposters(again, heh) and other people.


It'll be painful

>>158839488
I can already picture what'll happen: some sjw will take a few pics of the [false rape accusation] scene and post it on twitter which will cause a twitshitfest.

>>158839534
>Dungeon Meshi
>isekai
And GS has just a single mention about some "hero" defeating the Demon Lord or some shit like that.

>ESL
>shit taste
>posts thumbnail
Typical isekai shitter

I can see why people hate it, but many of the reasons for the hate are also why I like it personally.

Like yeah, most are a guy gets transported to a medieval fantasy world with a cheaty ability. However, the bits I tend to like the most is how they explain the mechanics of the world, and in the more amusing ones, there is more of a focus on world building and the impact having an outsider come in with new ideas brings.

Granted, there are bad ones of course, but thats pretty much the norm for anything really.

>>158830238
Underrated post. Fully agree.

>>158839250
"Realistic" writing isn't the point. It's making the scenes believable so you can maintain the fantasy. Most of these writers are amateurs and they don't understand that when you write a story you have to reconsider all the troupes to make it good. It's not "what would my character do, logically?" it's "what do I want my character's conflict to be, and how does that affect his world around him?"
If you read something like Moon-led Journey, the MC is a weak bastard so the moment he get OP powers he doesn't start a harem, he starts a medicine business, earns a business license, founds a nation, and gets good at magic. It all boils down to him trying to get over how weak he is, he replays the conflict even in another world.
Most MCs are average because the writer wants someone like them, but what they are doing is depriving the character of any interesting traits. If they do have something interesting, it's one thing, like that one where he murders everyone or that other one where all he does is drool over mecha.
That's the kind of level you are at. If you want something better, you have to read real books.

>>158830822
Master Torch best husbando.

>>158839676
Problem with that series is how boring the mc actually is. There's nothing interesting about him and alot of his given powers is bullshit at this point. Not to mention there's no tonal consistency especially when it comes to pov shifts.

>>158830238
Not every isekai is worthless garbage. Just like most stories of other genres are trash regurgitating the same old cliches with different names, the same could be said of isekai/LNs. These stories are made to sell books, so pandering to otaku with vidya/manga/anime references is a given for most stories.

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Because I don't read LN's. Most of them are terribly poor in terms of literary skill and fan translations only make them worse. So they come off like stories written by twelve year olds. Ignoring the fact that a lot of them are exactly the same with the same generic type of fantasy, which is a shame because fantasy is my favorite genre. Worst of all, most of them are filled with boring Harem crap, boring lewd scenes that add nothing to the story and the most cringe worthy romance scenes that are almost ALWAYS put off, because if the beta MC suddenly makes a move on a girl, he wouldn't be a beta faggot the audience could self-insert as and there would no longer be any point to the harem.

I also only read manga, and Isekai Manga only get like one issue every few months, and even after a couple years, they'll only have like 10-15 chapters, and will probably end up getting dropped anyway.
Is there a single Isekai Manga with more than 50 chapters that is still going strong?

>>158839578
It is mention that there is actual war in the capital between the demon lord army and some human kingdom.

Goblin slayer dude didn't particularly care about that fact when it was pointed out by the elf..

>>158839333
>harems in the first place are wish fulfillment fantasy

They are a thing that actually exist though anon. So they aren't merely fantasy.

>>158839946
I meant the LN, I heard the prologue is from the POV of the ultra-OP hero, thought I don't know if he/she was isekai'd.

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>>158839959
>>158839333
> harems are merely wish fulfillment
> Implying setting that involves harems as a natural process of power is mere wish-fulfillment.
Pic related proves you wrong.

>>158839959
Exactly. I don't mind harems but I do mind harems that have girls that basically ignore each other as rivals and play nice 24/7. I can understand why the author/editor doesn't want realistic backstabbing power-hungry harems though, as most male readers just want nice girls that don't act like 3dpd trying to jockey for power/prestige/etc.

This is especially bad in larger harems, for example Arifureta's. Though this is a problem in most harems regardless of size.