What went so right? Also how shit is the anime adaptation

>>158730956
I am going to download this late?
How many levels of Chuuni I am about to get into?

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>>158731020
Expect a lot of incantations and powerlevels. Story is great too though.

Common route is free on Steam.

Well according to their words they won't mix the routes they only do marie route "which is good thing ", the anime is above 14 episode from what we know so far but really we need 24 episodes and even then they may messed up

I just hope they don't mess up Ren characters like the manga did

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>>158731150
Are you sure it's Marie route? Ren has blade wings during his fight with Spinne in the PV. Makes me afraid that they're doing Rea's second ending. I don't want to see the gods battle royale ruined by shitty animation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH_kTpa8fOU

>>158731150

Yea marie route makes sense I guess, besides I heard that the japanese fanbase favors marie's route much more over the others

>>158731354
>Nips favor blond girl
Nothing new under the sun

>>158731354
Wow, nips have great taste.

>>158731354
Rea and Marie's route are liked equally
Marie's route is just easier to adapt

>>158731241
IIRC yeah they said it's marie route, yeah the Spinne fight seems already messed up because in the anime he Relic and finish him he doesn't have those claws and blade wings

>>158731354
from story respective you can only adapt Marie or Rea route because the other two are just incomplete

>>158731354
Marie's Route is the "canon" one that gets referenced in Masada's other stuff.

So was uncensor patch released?

>>158731693
Rea's route play too much with your expectations after seeing the rest of the game

>>158731749
Actually Masada said Rea's route is DI canon and Marie's route has KKK as a follow-up so it's canon in term of looking at the entire series, basically both routes are canon

>>158731779
There nothing censored in this version

>>158731779
They said end of July, it's really, really, really not worth waiting for though. The handful of sex scenes are literally filler and easily some of the worst and most boring parts of the game.

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>>158731354
>Kei won't get blown the fuck out in the anime
Fuck.

>>158731794
Both marie and Rea's route are canon with marie's route coming first but because of hajun the game reset once again to Rea route this time

>>158731839
It's more than likely it will be delayed because it was only done for the porn lovers god knows when they will find the time to do it , like really DI have one of the worst H scenes i saw in any VN

>>158730956
Why there is still no uploads of game with all routes in English?

>>158732093
There are.

>>158732093
What do you mean ?

>>158731094
What the actual fuck.
Isn't this the VN moonreaders kept shilling along with Muramasa? This better be good because I already don't like what I'm seeing here.

>>158732093
There are though. Can even download the game from steam and just throw in the crack if you really can't find any.

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>>158732163
Don't worry, now that EOPs can read it it's a 7/10 at best.

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>>158732163
It is.

>>158732263
More like a 10/10
It's the first time a hyped VN managed to deliver more than the hype

>>158732263
haha kastel holy shit

>>158732163
Kei is literally the worst character in the game.

>>158732290
>kill asses
what did nazi mean by this ?

>>158732434
ESL-kun...

>>158732263
>rich kid who never worked a day in his life moralizing about "escapism"
Kastel is so gross

So is this actually worth playing?
All I ever see is people saying how pretentious and deep it is or drawing FSN comparisons, which I grew bored off very quickly and had to force myself to finish

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>>158732651
Yes. Good fights, great antagonists and the story isn't spoonfed to you. I enjoyed the shit out of it.

>>158732651
It's pretty cool. It has a great cast of characters and the setting is handled very well, with just the right amount of mystery. It has its problems, but as far as VN entertainment goes it's up there

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>all these negative reviews on Steam from people that didn't even make it past the 40 minutes prologue

I just begun playing this game, I found the prologue a bit too exposition-heavy, but the real question is: what's the difference between 'amantes amientes', 'also spracht zarathustra' and 'acta est fabula'?

And why in God's name aren't the translators capable of spelling 'Domine' (vocative, singular, second declination. Really basic shit)?

>>158732651
Dies Irae is what you buy when you crave for a third-rate chuuni anime series uncomfortably distended across 40+ hours of crap graphics substituted for the typically mediocre direction of an actual anime.

Dies Irae is paradoxically the most pure and most disingenuous of fanservice: loli/moe garbage colored up with throwaway references to a literal-minded high school art student's take on Nietsche. To anyone above an eighth-grade level of literacy, it's quasi-physical torment. There's no real gameplay to speak of to make the usual high-concept low-execution frame of anime palatable, hallways between protracted cutscenes featuring underdirected anime puppets shaking their porcelain udders or flowing boy locks while spewing arbitrary acronyms or glib references to that wasn't even that clever when it was written in Latin or German.

>>158732967
But is it fun?

>>158732944
There are three editions of the game just so they could triple title drop you

>>158731094
German text with japanese names. That and the fact that they can type ä but not ü.
Delete asap.

>>158732987
>responding to pasta

>>158733026
And what are the substantial changes?

>>158732967
Love this pasta already

>>158733080
I just know that Amantes Amentes is the best one yet, dunno what are the differences

>>158732944
>what's the difference between 'amantes amientes', 'also spracht zarathustra' and 'acta est fabula'?
They are all different versions of the game. Amantes Amentes, the one that was translated, is the most complete one.

Unless you mean just the phrases in general, in which case "Amantes amentes" means as much as "the ones who are in love are crazy", "Acta est fabula" literally means "The story is done" (specifically in the context of the a stageplay), and "Also sprach Zarathustra" is the title of a book written by Nietsche and its entire own can of worms that's impossible to just quickly chop down to a simple explanation

>>158731094
The translation is wrong.

>>158733178
How can you hear the japanese from the image?

>>158733195
He can likely read german, the french song about the guillotine is pretty badly translated too.

>>158733261
Japs altered the original text to better fit the characters. The translation is good.

>>158732967
look just download it and listen to the opening, it's a good laugh. i couldn't take it seriously, it's really bad. i can't believe someone unironically wrote these lines. the opening is essentially 5 minutes saying 2 things, afterwards is a war scene where the theme is, unironically, 'war is hell', not that i'm disputing it, just the writer felt the need to explain why someone getting blown in half emphasised this with a half a page monologue. seriously. the writer does not hold the readers in high esteem.
it's just bad
i would say take it 'cause it's free but it might not even be worth your time

>>158733108
>Implying I am not fluent in latin and ancient greek
But thanks for the help.

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BULLY KEI

>>158733289
Are we pasting Steam reviews?

WTF WAS THIS CRAP!????

Where's the game there is absolutley no game, no gameplay no customisation NOTHING, NADA.
WTF??? i dont get it ing 12 year old Nazi anime girls, WTF??????

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>>158733080
Stuff kept getting added, the steam version is the most complete one once the H-scenes get added.

>>158732163
Dies is not Muramasa tier. I prefer Baldr Sky to Dies, to be honest. Hell, I didn't like Dies at all. It's basically Chu2, except they actually take themselves seriously and crank the dial to maximum. You get to read paragraphs and paragraphs about how the blade is going to fuck you up, metaphorically.

At least Muramasa's battles are fun to read. If you've read the beginning, the first scene is just to set the tone, and the rest of the fights are much better.

>>158730956
Rea is love
Rea is life.
A shame that there's no chance in hell that they'll adapt her route

>>158733393
It's shit now when it's translated, basically.

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>>158733403
Every route is Rea's route anyways.

>>158730956
I gave money during the kickstarter... because of chuuni gf. I've yet to really start it.

>>158732163
Being translated means it can't be a kamige anymore

>>158733376
>H-scenes
Are these "Tohsaka's defenseless anus" tier?

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>>158733393
>I-I didn't like it anyways

The best part of the DI translation is JOPs getting blown the fuck out

>>158733080
Also Sprach Zarathustra was the original version
Acta Est Fabula was an upgraded version with more/better CGs
Amantes Amentes is the newest version without H scenes but with Extra stories that were previously drama CDs including an Marie and Rea epilogue.
Also at some point there's gonna be a H-patch for english

Because if we learned nothing from Kojima, it's that you DON'T START A GAME WITH A MASSIVE CUTSCENE (where you can't skip or change the volume, and it's just slowly read, meandering text, on a background). I mean jeez, even English Language Visual Novels don't play this bad. Also... "Master Sergeant" of the Reich? I think the term would be Hauptscharfuehrer, as they are members of the Waffen-SS.

Garbage.

>>158733178
>>158733261
>>158733272
Is it the case of the ruby text delibertely having the alternate interpretation/meaning like in F/SN?
It was apparent with many NP names, and especially apparent with stuff like the Unlimited Blade Works chant.

>I am the bone of my sword
My body is made out of swords.
>Steel is my body and fire is my blood
My blood is of iron and my heart of glass.
>I have created over a thousand blades
I have overcome countless battlefields.
>Unknown to Death,
Not even once retreating,
>Nor known to Life.
Not even once being understood.
>Have withstood pain to create many weapons
He was always alone, intoxicated with victory in a hill of swords.
>Yet, those hands will never hold anything
Thus, his life has no meaning
>So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works.
That body was certainly made out of swords.

>>158733509
Nah, but there is only like 5 of them and they are all very short, like you probably wouldn't even get off before they are over if you watched them with autoplay on kinds of short. Only the very first release of DI had sex scenes so the art for them is garbage too since it's still the original CGs from 10 years ago just slightly polished up.

>>158733429
>>158733543
Believe what you want, I never liked it to begin with. Not all untranslated VN readers have the same opinions, you know.

Also, isn't Baldr Sky being translated? I still like it, and I think you can get decent enjoyment out of it even after translation. Also, I still enjoyed Muv Luv despite it being baby's first VN and translated eons ago.

You either enjoy dies or you don't. I couldn't stand the chu2 laid on that thick. It wasn't even wonky in a fun way like subahibi.

>reading censored version

No thanks, I can wait.

>>158733509
Well there's gangrape, necrophilia, footjobs among others

>>158733666
>gangrape
wait, what? Who?

Only kinda interested in the Rusalka dungeon one desu

>>158733707
Rusalka in the classroom

>>158733707
Rusalka gets a gangbang in the school.

>>158733610
There is new scenes in to replace most of some the h-scenes too. They are generally a lot better, there is one on Kei's route in particular that makes the whole route feel a lot more organic and their relationship to actually make a lick of sense.

>>158733666
>chuuni footjob

It's like the most autistic way to enjoy a solepussy.

>>158733617
>ML
>baby's first
Oh boy. You seem to somehow forget that stuff like Saya exists.

I want to fuck Rusalka

>>158733731
>>158733736
The fuck? During the hallucination/dream in Rea's route or in the first route?

>>158733769
Kasumi's route.
The one where she tortures them in the all ages version

>>158733769
During Kasumi's. It got replaced with the scene of her making a sport of seeing who can survive the longest locked inside her iron maidens.
I like the new scene a lot better tbqh

>>158731779
The translated version was based off the many non-H versions. The H version have much lower resolution and quality assets.

>>158733847
Wew, i didn't expect them going back to change the scenes. I thought they just cut shit out.

So am I correct in assuming they didn't really suck each other's blood in Kei's route?

>>158733887
Yup, Ren takes her virginity to subdue the scorpion there.

>>158733753
They're all basically the same category, aren't they? Ever 17, Planetarian, Higurashi, MLA, Saya, etc... they've all been available forever at this point.

>>158733887
Well that was by far the most obvious one

>>158733847
How do you even decide a winner in that case?
The one who survives?

>>158730956
I loved it. Better than F/SN in my opinion (and I'm a massive fatefag and I really love F/SN, but Dies was better in my opinion)
I'd like the anime to be good, but I think the only good thing will be getting to laugh at the triggered ANNtards
I mean, the PV already has Ren entering into some weird Eine Faust Finale-like state vs Spinne. When in the VN he just activated Yetzirah, tore his wires and decapitated the guy.
>>158733887
In Kei's route it was sex. Even though fucking an injured girl with a magic scorpion messing her womb up makes no sense

why will Muramasa never get translated?

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>>158734126
Because it's being held hostage.
>>158733996
Best boy only deserves the best way to die.

>>158733887
The blood sucking part is the most obvious H replacement. However, I wonder if they just cut the rooftop H out in Kei's route, or was it replaced by the kiss scene.

>>158734126
Muramasa will look like shit if they ever translate it. Same with KKK to some degree.
They both having all the ADV style dialogue boxes vertically and blended in with the CG, it looks quite good, but simply changing it to a standard vertical textbox that fit the English language would completely fuck with the CG and composition

>>158734126
A large part of it just doesn't make sense or sound very good in English.

Dies Irae is what you buy when you crave for a third-rate chuuni anime series uncomfortably distended across 40+ hours of crap graphics substituted for the typically mediocre direction of an actual anime.

Dies Irae is paradoxically the most pure and most disingenuous of fanservice: loli/moe garbage colored up with throwaway references to a literal-minded high school art student's take on Nietsche. To anyone above an eighth-grade level of literacy, it's quasi-physical torment. There's no real gameplay to speak of to make the usual high-concept low-execution frame of anime palatable, hallways between protracted cutscenes featuring underdirected anime puppets shaking their porcelain udders or flowing boybitch locks while spewing arbitrary acronyms or glib references to shit that wasn't even that clever when it was written in Latin or German.

>>158734126
Because of JAST having exclusive rights to Nitro+ stuff and them being slow as tortoises with their releases.

>>158734204
>>158734351
You folks always use that excuse though, every single goddamned time you've used similar nonsense to say that certain things aren't possible, and lo and behold, shit still happens and things aren't nearly as bad as you doomsayers predicted they'd be.

Wasn't Dies supposed to be "untranslateable"?

>>158734437
It is. The """translation""" lost a lot of the deeper meanings so now all these EOPs think Masada is just a generic chuuni writer

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>>158734437
JOP memes mate, it's always JOP memes, it's always said just so they can lord something over you.

>>158734411
I didn't say it wasn't possible. I said it doesn't sound very good. And I'm the guy that didn't like Dies. That thing is heavily based on western ideas, so it's probably not too bad. Same goes for subahibi. A large part of Murmasa is how fucking Japanese it is.

You really need TL notes to enjoy all of it if you're going in totally blind. Think Joshiraku/SzS. You can enjoy it, but you're not really going to get the full experience without a lot of extra work.

>>158734460
Thanks, I needed some salt for my fries

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Will this anime be a wild ride?

>>158734437
That's mostly people trying to pretend VNs are more than just some quick innocent fun and have qualities as an actual literary genre. You can safely ignore those idiots who probably have never read a book that wasn't Harry Potter or generic high fantasy in their life.

>>158734527
Are JOPs the jews?

>>158734588
It might be a ride but the action scenes will be very underwhelming if you are just in it for that.
I can't wait until all the anime only peasants get triggered hard by Mercurius stopping the final fight just when it's about to get good if they do Marie's Route.

>>158734588
No, it will be shit like 99.9% of VN adaptations

>>158734588
It can range from fucking awful to Gillotine Gorilla/THAT Akuma no Riddle episode/DR3 tier

>>158734537
Except Makoto, an actual professional translator has said the he finds the prospect of translating Dies Irae way more difficult than Muramasa.

>>158734588
Depending on the route yeah, shit's gonna get crazy, if nothing else Shirou's parts should be fun to watch.

>>158734687
The fights are literally all Ren getting his shit pushed in until whatever Deus Ex Machina is currently on the horizon either lets him survive or turn it around in one fell swoop. Worse than DBZ fights tbqh

>>158734743
Or Shirou being a fucking sue

>>158734743
>Ren's other half is literally called Deus Ex Machina and after he overcomes him this shit stops happening and he stands on his own two feet
pottery

>>158734736
>we wont see shirou ripping is arm off and hitting schreiber with it
dropped

>>158734743
That's literally every chuuni fight
>Nothing could possibly stop this attack. There was no way for him to survive
>BUT

>>158734696
>Gillotine Gorilla/THAT Akuma no Riddle episode
This sells me on it more than anything anyone else has said

>>158734854
Nah, a lot of them have cool applications for their powers that let them turn shit around. Take Shirou's fights for example, yes, he's a fucking mary sue and basically everything he does is complete bullshit, but he doesn't just rely on arbitrary deus ex machinas to win. He uses whatever means he has at his disposal and comes up with cool strategies that aren't just FUCK YOU IF YOU CAN STILL MOVE IN STOPPED TIME I WILL JUST STOP THE ALREADY STOPPED TIME EVEN HARDER like Ren

>>158734743
Why the flying fuck are you even reading chuunige if you get bothered by that?

>>158734985
I'm not bothered by it, just telling the guy not to get his hopes up when it comes to the action scenes and fights.

>>158734954
>but he doesn't just rely on arbitrary deus ex machinas
Except that fight where he dodges treeman stakes as a pure human and fire that deagle like it's a airsoft gun

>>158734954
I think you missunderstand the Schreiber fight with Ren.
At the beginning Ren's Beriah is Transcendence type basicaly just slowing down time for himself which Schreiber's "faster than you" power conters.
Only later he freezes time in his reality marble

>>158734713
Muramasa isn't hard to translate, it's hard to do well. All text can be translated, it's a matter of conveying what the original text meant to convey eloquently. It's not something limited to Muramasa at all, actually. For example, If you wanted to translate "Kei-car," that's a totally foreign concept to most English speakers because that classification only exists in Japan. How do you do that eloquently without adding some explanation that wasn't there originally, and which breaks the flow of the original prose? TL Notes, or googling, probably. Or try "Translating" the background knowledge required to understand what "GHQ" is in the VN vs reality (something every Japanese person learns in school, but you might gloss over because it's never really explained since it's assumed you know) . You either need to replace with a western analogue that makes no place in an alternate world WWII era Japan, or abuse TL notes, or just ignore these details.

>>158735021
wasn't he drugged up there? along with his FOREKNOWLEDGE

>>158735021
>and fire that deagle like it's a airsoft gun
To be fair Wehrwolf explains that it actually does damage his arms. His braindamage is just so bad he doesn't notice

Every bullshit in DI can be explained by foreknowledge

>>158735034
I was more talking about vs Reinhard at the end of Marie, but I guess with their clashing Hegemonies it's not necessarily true that the time in his close proximity was stopped as well.

>>158735021
F O R E K N O W L E D G E and lolbraintumors

>>158735021
FOREKNOWLEDGE ALL UP IN THIS BITCH

>>158735119
You mean motorcycle accident. Or was only the reason he couldn't get it up

>Ren looks like Mercurius and Shirou like Reinhard
Geez, I just started this but they really weren't subtle about this shit. Let me guess, it's full of time travel bullshit and they are actually our future selves?

>>158735293
when was the motorcycle accident explained?

>>158735426
In Omnia vincit Amor Ren makes a comment about it that I understood that way

>>158735411
Heydrich was a real person.
Also you're wrong

>>158735411
No. Time stands still, there is no time travel.

>>158735426
KKK has the braintumor stuff.

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>>158734954
Did you say Deus ex Machina?
>>158735411
Nope.

>>158735514
Oh shit have yet to read that one. Was way too fucking hyped after the third route to be brought down by a epilogue.

>>158735080
That was stated explicitly in the common route though

>>158735548
Well, it will probably never get translated anyways. Or at least not for a long fucking time.

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>>158735570
>>158735570
Uhhhh....

>>158735603
Obviously talking about KKK.

>>158735411
DI is the tale of one shipper's fight against determinism.

>>158730956
Why did Kei kill herself at the end of the Kasumi route? Why did she do it at the hospital, where the Swastika would be filled? Why did she do it in front of Kasumi, and pretended she wanted to kill Ren instead?

Is this explained in her route, which I'm reading now, or am I dumb?

>>158735637
Im tired and retarded and somehow got lost in the reply chain.

>>158735663
Something something equivalent exchange.
Also Kei is for bullying

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Well at least the anime is adapting best girl's route, though I kinda prefer Rea's for an anime because on how fucking nuts it'll get, and Machina gets the most time there. Dies Irae was a slog until Kei XIII, if you can get past it that's when it becomes good. Learn how Dies and KKK are connected, I promise you it'll make Omnia Vincit Amor better.

>>158735663
She didn't want to live anymore and was despaired at a point she couldn't move ob from.

>>158735663
Kei is loco with no one to support her, you either dick her or remake the world so she gets to be part of a loving family or she goes bugfuck insane.

>>158735663
She bartered with Reinhard to release Ren's soul for her own. He gets another Einherjar for the future in Kei and the possibility of Ren perhaps miraculously finding some sort of strength to stand against him again, which he would obviously desire, so he really had no reason to refuse

>>158735663
>or am I dumb

You probably haven't read:

A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man by James Joyce
Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Beowulf by Unknown
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Chess by Stefan Zweig
Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky
Divine Comedy by Dante
Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra
Ex Libris: Confessions of a Common Reader by Anne Fadiman
Faust by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Foucault’s Pendulum by Umberto Eco
Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad
House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski
Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace
Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov
Motherless Brooklyn by Jonathan Lethem
Mrs Dalloway by Virginia Woolf
Naked Lunch by William S. Burroughs
On the Road by Jack Kerouac
Pale Fire by Vladimir Nabokov
Paradise Lost by John Milton
Satin Island by Tom McCarthy
Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse
Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut
Story of the Eye by Georges Bataille
Submission by Michel Houellebecq
The Bible
The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky
The Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels
The Death of Ivan Ilyich by Leo Tolstoy
The Four Books by Yan Lianke
The Fox Was Ever the Hunter by Herta Müller
The Map and the Territory by Michel Houellebecq
The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov
The New York Trilogy by Paul Auster
The Odyssey by Homer
The Satanic Verses by Salmon Rushdie
The Sense of an Ending by Julian Barnes
The Sorrow of Young Werther by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
The Stranger by Albert Camus
The Teleportation Accident by Ned Beauman
The Unbearable Lightness of Being by Milan Kundera
The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle by Haruki Murakami
To The Lighthouse by Virginia Woolf
Underworld by Don DeLillo
War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy

Go read it all and then come back brainlet.

>>158735774
Spinne's voice was great, wish his job description wasn't literally being a tutorial boss.

>>158735774
>best girl's route
Hello there Karl, please fuck off Rea is best girl
>Learn how Dies and KKK are connected, I promise you it'll make Omnia Vincit Amor better.
What? Are you high or just a suffering fetishist

>>158735663
She filled the last swastika with her own life and for her wish asked Reinhard to give Ren's soul back to him.

>>158735855
>Rea is best girl
I never knew people could be so wrong

>>158735774
>Learn how Dies and KKK are connected
Or just wait another 5 years until our boi Conjueror translates KKK and don't spoil one of the biggest mysteries in the game for yourself beforehand

>>158735888
Ren agrees, don't bother him about it.

>>158733939
It's a matter of perception. I tend to consider shorter vns to be more suitable for the term since they are more likely to be picked up by people new to the games of this style.

>>158735888
Ren valuing Rea higher than the other heroines in their own routes is fun

>>158735952
>Even in the other girl's routes you still just end up marrying Rea in the future anyways
Nothing else needs to be said

I just watched the two minute long intro cutscene and didn't understand shit.
Is this how the rest of the game is going to be? Should I even bother if I'm too stupid to get what they were talking about in that or was it supposed to go over my head and will get explained later?

>>158736351
He is saying that everything that will ever happen is already decided so the choices are meaningless.

>>158735034
Schreiber still counters freezed time during Ein Faust Finale. Schreiber only freezes when Ren achieves Atziluth

>>158730956
This felt like a cheap FSN.
And all those chuuni DBZ powerlevel holy shit.
I bet the author was 16 when he wrote this,

>>158736499
Well at the end it's because lol powerlevels

>>158736552
It felt like FSN with good prose, characters and story.

>>158730956
his final form is pretty garbage desu, ruins the end

endless title drop was ok though

MERCURIUS IS A CUNT
KARL KRAFT A SHIT
CAGLIOSTRO IS NOTHING BUT A DUMB SHIPPER THAT CAN'T EVEN SHIP HIS SELF-INSERT WITH HIS WAIFU

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>>158736671
>manipulate thousands of years of history through endless repetitions all to create a self insert to love the one and only woman you've ever had feelings for
>self insert pumps and dumps your loved one and goes to fuck and eventually marry the white haired nazi science project
Mercurius is the biggest cuck there ever was

>>158736796
Can Shiki kill Schreiber

>>158736580

this only makes it worse to be honest

>>158736580
chuckled at this delusion

>>158736834
Can Shiki kill the concept of Schreiber's power?

Ryougi Shiki already killed a predicted future concept.

>>158736805
Mercurius brings a whole new level to "prepping the bull"

>>158734199
Yeah in the original they had sex "which doesn't make sense desu " and in the roof scene was just them kissing no sex scene and they made reference back to the blood sucking scene that she want to kiss him instead of sucking he's blood

So yeah they gone out of their way to change even the later dailouge

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>>158732290
Is this supposed to be good?

>>158736580
Apparently F/SN's translate was pretty damn bad. It was overly literal. And failed to convey across many of the metaphors, imagery, etc through it.
It didn't even bother adding in the ruby text that gave alternate meanings.

>>158736927
It would probably just be re-birthed almost instantly since these concepts are merely manifestation of their cravings. Destroying the concept itself wouldn't do much good, might be able to catch him offguard with it though

>>158737058
Not if you kill the mechanic of how the power can manifest. Or even kill the concept having the power in the first place.

Besides, the final death aspect MEoDP is about completely removing the existence.

Why people compare this so much to FSN ?

>>158737283
memes

>>158737283
Because it's chuuni spectacle.

>>158737225
Yeah, going straight to the source would be the most reasonable strategy. At that point Shiki might as well just kill Schreiber's soul instead of dissecting his power mechanisms though. Unless you want to get stupid and have Shiki kill the concept of his own attacks missing first or something silly like that.

>>158737283
it's literally fsn

>>158737283
F/SN is one of the most famous chuuni games. Then you add the fact that they both take place sometime last decade (2004 for F/SN, 2006 for Dies) in Japan and you should know why
>>158737378
Nope

>>158734620
EOP detected.

>>158737283
Ahnenerbe are literally Nobel Phantasms and Bey's Beriah is a Reality Marble.
Also both are very chuuni

>>158737283
Because both are set in a Japanese town that have supernatural rituals happening, have over the top fights with beings that far surpass humanity, and are full of chuuni wishfulfillment (even though DI approaches that aspect drastically different).

>>158731241
Looks like shit, hopefully it will kill VN adaptations.
Now we only need LN and manga adaptations to die out and finally we will get more originals and book adaptations.

>>158737537
Bruh, Mercurius told me VN, LN and manga adaptations aren't going anywhere, he also told originals will still be majorly shit and not worth watching, enjoy.

>>158737537
>I want more toy commercials

>>158737225
I don't think Shiki can just slice the air and destroy concepts, he still has to touch Schreiber. Which means Schreiber will win.

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>>158737646
Reading comprehension.

>>158737690
Didn't Ryougi Shiki already killed the concept of distance between her opponent before?

The Shikis are still all just humans with frail bodies.
As long as they don't get the drop on her and she took it seriously even Kei would be able to shit on them and she is easily the weakest of the DI crew.

>>158737537
Looks like you're retarded. So I don't trust your criticism and judgment capabilities

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>>158734620
Nice bait.

>>158737953
Normal Shiki are not stronger than human beings. On the other hand, they see in the dark and one you get bitten they can mind control you.
In other words they are only dangerous if they attack unsuspecting victims.
Even lycanthropes are easy to take down if you can hit the head.

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>>158737983
Tell me more, bitch boy.

>>158737953
'humans' like Shiki can't fight against Servants because of their superhuman speed that pretty much always allow them to deliver the fatal blow first.

But Nasuverse is about stacking the deck or having as much situational advantage as possible to gank stronger foes.

>>158737772
Well from what I remember Shiki Tohno needs to strike his opponent to do anything to him. Schreiber is a hard counter to that sort of thing.

Machina is basically Shiki with fists anyways

>>158736805
Dies Irae was so ahead of its time
Ten years ago most people that are now on 4chan didn't even know what cuckoldry is

Well in this VN characters are OP and battles are long and have too much details but the fights itself are not that good so don't get your hopes up

Like others said every fight is Ren getting he's ass kicked and pushed back until he figure something out or someone help and it's the same shit over and over

>>158738112
>implying manga adaptations (which have been there basically since the beggining of TV anime ) will ever go away
>implying if there were only book adaptations and originals, they wouldn't be mostly shit because of all the shitty staff members previously working on adapting LNs, VNs and manga now being assinged original projects and books
>implying books and originals are better than VNs, LNs and manga
>wanting only what you like and deem acceptable to exist
You're a disgusting retard and should kill yourself
I mean, do you seriously think people who can't even adapt LNs, VNs and manga properly can adapt books and/or make their own original stories and somehow make a good show? How retarded are you?

>>158738248
Machina didn't accomplish much with the fist at all. Even when he hit someone with the mechanical fist they don't die, let alone get completely erased

Schreiber even with his speed+x couldn't even dodge bullet, twice

>>158738432
>Machina didn't accomplish much with the fist at all
He literally one shots Trifa with it.

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>>158738473
All he did was punch out and 'destroy' Trifa on a physical level (while before he spend waste so much time punching Trifa before finally bringing out the mechanical fist), which didn't even stop his essence from returning to Reinhard.

>>158738432
Machina could do the exact same kinds of shit Shiki can if he wanted to. His fist is literally a deus ex machina that puts a permanent end to whatever he desires, in a way it's even more universally applicable than Shiki's since it works regardless of his vision and his body is obviously strong enough to take almost any kind of attack without even getting a scratch.
Notice when he fights Trifa he doesn't put an end to the body but his very soul, since he obviously doesn't want to damage the Golden Pentachroma and Reinhard's vessel.

>>158738609
The problem is that the plot literally never allows Machina to go all out.

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>>158738332
>>implying books and originals are better than VNs, LNs and manga
Yes
>Other projecting
No

>>158738584
>loving literally Sakura
The woman lives to drag other people down to her level.

>>158738609
Except it didn't work on Ren multiple times,

it doesn't stop Samiel all-range blast, and it couldn't even protect himself from being burned.

Trifa still returned to Reinhard

>>158738681
Show me 10 good originals in the last 20 years.

>>158738432
>Schreiber even with his speed+x couldn't even dodge bullet, twice
That happened only once, not twice. Also, that was due to foreknowledge bullshit. Lastly, that wasn't Schreiber at full power.

Schreiber is the dude that dodged a hundred blades in one thousandth of a millisecond. There's no way Shiki is touching the guy.

>>158732163
Dies is tryhard chuuni VN with very little substance. It only got popular because of the characters. It doesn't even come close to Fate level.

Muramasa is the pinnacle of otaku fiction. But it has flaws too, mostly with pacing and exposition.
Even if it was translated it wouldn't reach the popularity or acceptance of Dies or Fate because of how cruel it treats its characters. It's a bit like Fate/Zero.

>>158738734
You can't touch Schreiber because he's power always make him faster than he's enemy no matter how fast he's enemy is

>>158738730
Show me 10 good VN/LN adaptations in the last 20 years.

>>158738725
It didn't outright end Ren since his own craving directly counters it. They make a pretty big deal over that point so I'm not sure how you could have missed that. It's mentioned like a dozen times that Ren is the only one that could ever fight him, Machina could even end Reinhard if he had the desire to do so.

>>158738734
It did happen twice.
He was shot on his bike with speed+x when Shirou was about to fall off

He was shot when Shirou pop up of Wilhelm

If he is truly about always being the fastest, he should have avoided bullets since there are clear bullet explosion time, bullet traveling through barrel time, bullet needing to travel through air time, bullet shockwave reaching first, bullet in the process of penetrating, etc...

>>158738850
No, you started this, you're the one that has something to prove.

>>158738725
Anon I think you may have been speedreading the VN.

Machina was destroying the flames around him. He just ignored the flames at the final moment because he prioritized killing Ren over his life.

>>158738835
(You)

>>158738835
Go away JOP, you discard your darlings really easily once they get translated, I'll listen to your silver tongue no longer.

>>158738850
Given your bias, whatever we say, you'l gop
>hurr ddurr, it was bad because I say so
>hurr durr it shouldn't exist and people shouldn't like it because I say so
Well. With your same authority, I claim book adaptations and anime originals shouldn't exist because they're all shit

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>>158738905
Nah man, I have nothing to prove to you.

You can always expect the big hyped VN to be utter garbage because it's consumed and hyped by people who only read VN's. (Moogy for example)

What do you guys think of shirou ? he's cook but some people don't like him because of all the BS he pull in he's fights

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>>158738978
Given your bias, whatever we say, you'l gop
>hurr ddurr, it was bad because I say so
>hurr durr it shouldn't exist and people shouldn't like it because I say so
Well. With your same authority, I claim VN and LN adaptations shouldn't exist because they're all shit

>>158739008
>tfw I'll never have a crazy motherfucker to go vampire hunting with

>>158738908
I already know about that. I did pretty much imply he was using his fist on the the blast, but all he did was destroying part of the flame which couldn't even stop him from being hit. and it didn't kill the blast.

>>158739036
But you're the chucklefuck that started it, you have exactly zero right to a moral high ground, all you're doing is turning people against you.

>>158738835
>Muramasa is the pinnacle of otaku fiction
Until it gets translated, that is.

>>158738884
You should read a lot more slowly.

>He was shot on his bike with speed+x when Shirou was about to fall off
Ren's Atziluth timestop was in effect

>He was shot when Shirou pop up of Wilhelm
He was pinned to the gun by a stake. There was no way for him to dodge.

Vandol you have to stop.

>>158738984
Then, we have nothing to prove to you either
>>158739036
And no we've gone full circle.
Except you forgot manga. And I at least want you to tell me how the fuck hacks who can't even adapt VNs/LNs/manga properly wouldn't make complete shitshows when made to adapt books or come up with their own stories

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>>158739092
Man preferences can't be proven or explained, fuck off.

>>158738955
We don't all have the same opinion, anon. I never really liked Dies all that much.
I'm probably in the minority since I think MLA is overrated with Fate being a better VN. Muramasa is still the best though.

>>158738869
It wouldn't be anything like MEoDP if it doesn't even destroy the craving. It doesn't even stop reincarnation.

>>158739100
Nah, until it gets surpassed, which is unlikely since every talented writer is leaving the eroge industry.

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>>158739132
Manga would be OK if they didn't adapt long running ones, it has no closure or rushes a lot.
LNs and VNs are inherently shit unless you are a pleb.

>>158739138
Exactly
So I have my preferences for LN, VN and manga adaptations and think they should exist.
The problem here is that you came and acted like these things you don't like don''t deserve to exist and like that would be a magic solution that would make all anime good

>>158739241
>>158739241
>people post opinions I don't like
>sperg out instead of moving on

>>158738609
>His fist is literally a deus ex machina
2meta4me

>>158739217
>everyone who disagrees with me is a pleb
(you)
I still want you to answer where your faith in hacks who can't adapt LN/VNs/manga properly being able to magically make good shows if they adapted books or came up with their own shit even comes from.
If you want to have these retardedly "high standards", be my guest
But at least be aware the anime industry doesn't have many people who could provide shows good for you even if LN, VN and manga adaptations dissapeared

>>158739089
Anon they explain this. He destroyed the flames around him using his fists. He can't kill the entire blast, for that he needs to punch all the flames, which is impossible.

The reason he got burned was because he concentrated on Ren, and the fact that he can only destroy flames his fists come into contact with. There's no contradiction.

>>158739108
Then the bullet wouldn't be able to move either

Except he could have still dodge at point, and you are saying he got even hit by the stake?

>>158730956
R18 patch out?

>>158739241
>like that would be a magic solution that would make all anime good

It wouldn't make all anime good, but then producers wouldn't have to rely on properties that already sold well and are guaranteed to turn a profit and focus on creating original anime that isn't complete shit.
Adaptations are a crutch.

>>158738730
Darker than Black
Code Geass
Madoka
Ryuu no Haisha
91 Days
Concrete Revolutio S1
Concrete Revolutio S2
Kiznaiver
Shingeki no Bahamut (this is not an adaption)
Space Dandy
Space Dandy S2
C

>>158739321
The problem is the arrogance of spouting it like it was a fact and the retardation of thinking that it's a magical solution that would make anime better.
Leaving aside other stuff, he seems to have an awfully high opinion of anime creators if he thinks they're limited by the stuff they adapt
I don't know how he thinks a lot of people in the anime industry could provide good book adaptations and originals if that's all they did

>>158739471
If they can't even take other people's stories and make them good what makes you think they'd be able to come up with their own stories?

>>158739392
LNs and VNs are inherently shit, they are made to appeal to neckbeards an children, so an adaptation of a turd can never be good.
Obviously if you switched over to originals and book adaptations you would still get shit, but slightly less of it.

>>158739490
All shit.

Arguing about subjective shit will get you nowhere, but I'm pretty sure that you all know that.

>>158736351
m8, if that's where it lost you, things are not looking good

>>158739564
Thanks for your input

>>158739440
Alright you haven't read the VN properly.

>Then the bullet wouldn't be able to move either
It's explicitly stated that Ren's timestop excludes his friends. Shirou can move and use all his abilties when Ren's timestop is in effect.

>Except he could have still dodge at point, and you are saying he got even hit by the stake?
Foreknowledge you idiot, the game goes out of its way to explain. Just how fast did you read?

>>158739008
He's great.

I preferred the Shirou and Ren fight over all the other chuuni shit in the VN. Too bad Marie route is being adapted.

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>>158730956
>no homo route
This will suck beyond comprehension.

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>>158739500
>The problem is the arrogance of spouting it like it was a fact
>it's another autism episode
Every comment about something being 'good', 'bad', 'shit', etc. is obviously an opinion which cannot be proven right or wrong, so 'in my opinion' gets omitted as redundant.

>>158739423
There was no statement that he got hit because he was concentrating on Ren.

If the fist function like it was suppose to, it would have also destroyed the all-range blast, since the flames were directly part of the blast.

Otherwise the fist would only destroy the skin of the target when first hit, and only parts of it

>>158739638
You're welcome.
>>158739549
No, the amount of shit would stay the same, shit will stay shit no matter if you base it on something else or not. The anime industry has no one left that's capable of creating good things and that's how it'll stay forever.

>>158739519
Because otherwise they'll go bankrupt.

>>158739490
>Code Geass
Stopped reading there.

>>158739731
>There was no statement that he got hit because he was concentrating on Ren.
There was

>If the fist function like it was suppose to, it would have also destroyed the all-range blast, since the flames were directly part of the blast.
Well that's not how it works, the fists just destroy whatever it hits. You're an idiot if you're actually trying to apply rational thinking to this, just accept the game's words and move on.

>>158739471
Even if they focused on that and stopped using adaptations as a crutch, there's the fact many people in the industry just can't deliver good originals and you're deluded if you think otherwise
In the end, it would lead to the industry either dying or relying on copying the highest selling shows to stay afloat.
And there's no guarantee whatever sells best would be actually good. So, we're in the same place, the shit just has a different origin now
>>158739549
>LNs and VNs are inherently shit, they are made to appeal to neckbeards an children, so an adaptation of a turd can never be good.
So? Neckkeards and children deserve shows for them too
The idea that anime can something can't be good because it appeals to groups you hate and don't' consider "worthy" is pure cancer
Sorry, but VNs and LNs can be good, no matter how much you cry about it.
Your elitist bullshit will never become fact
You're not superior to those "neckbeards and children"
You're on the same fucking level as them. No audience is superior to another

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>>158739663
At least we will get this moment

>>158739701
There few gay jokes about them here and there

>>158739651
And yet plenty of things and people are still able to move in 'timestop'

Foreknowledge still wouldn't do shit. There are still a shit ton of frames of startup animation, giving all the time in the world to dodge them.

>>158739490
>Kiznaiver
>Okada melodrama bullshit
>good
Kill yourself

>>158739744
>>158739744
How does that math work? Changing adaptations of a something that is always shit (so the chances of a good adaptation is 0%) to adaptations of a something that is only mostly shit (so there is a chance adaptation will be good - if the work in question happens to be good and the team working on adapting it happens to be good) would unquestionably raise the amount of good animu.

>>158739934
stop using buzzwords, better yet, stop using 4chan until you're 18

>>158739876
>Sorry, but VNs and LNs can be good
No
>no matter how much you cry about it.
Nice projecting.

>Your elitist bullshit will never become fact
>You're not superior to those "neckbeards and children"
>You're on the same fucking level as them. No audience is superior to another
see >>158739321 and >>158739724

>>158739952
For you
You and the rest of the "chosen people" aren't the center of the goddamn universe
Kill yourself
>>158739969
I'm 21.

>>158740028
see
>>158739321
>>158739724

Is proper version released?

>>158740005
It's not opinions when you start asking everyone to suck your dick and treating those who disagree with you as inferior
>>158740067
muh opinions doesn't justify coming to a thread about something you think is shit and treating people as inferior. You think you can do that without retaliation? Think again

>>158740133
End of July

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>>158740162
The first comment up the comment chain was perfectly civil and didn't treat anyone as inferior.
Should I put a trigger warning for you?

>>158740162
>muh opinions doesn't justify coming to a thread about something you think is shit and treating people as inferior. You think you can do that without retaliation? Think again
>a thread about an upcoming show
>people come in and then post their opinions
Really makes you think.
protip:If you want a circlejerk, wait for the ~4 episode thread.

>>158739910
You're being deliberately retarded here.

Schreiber and Eleanore were both frozen, Shirou had all the time in the world to go and shoot him. Rens atziluth was the reason Schreiber was shot, it has nothing to do with bullets and guns.

And you should really reread the fight between wilhelm and Schreiber because it's clear the entire thing flew over your head. Literally everything is explained.

>>158738432
There are plenty of contradictory statements due to hyperbole in the VN.

>>158740227
>perfectly civil
>hey guys, this thing you enjoy because this is a thread for it should not exist because I say so
Like I said, you're retarded.
>>158740282
I don't want a circlejerk. I want people to express their negative opinions without insulting others and while acknowledging that stuff they dislike still has the right to exist because there are people who like it
If you can't do that, then I can't be civil to you

>>158740359
>>perfectly civil
>>hey guys, this thing you enjoy because this is a thread for it should not exist because I say so
>Like I said, you're retarded.
see
>>158737537
not sure how you got lost

>>158740359
>insulting others
Go up the comment chain. First comment doesn't insult anyone.
>and while acknowledging that stuff they dislike still has the right to exist because there are people who like it
Holy reddit. Write me an addendum I can copy paste in my comments so your feefees don't get hurt.

>>158740511
>>158740447
>posts opinion
>can't handle people posting their own opinions about his opinion
Kill yourself
Likewise, I ask you for an addedum to post in my comments so your feefees and ego won't get hurt when I post my opinion about your opinion

>>158740920
>No, you.
OK

I just like arguing so if you start an argument with me personally I will gladly oblige you, but being so hurt by somebody writing
>this show is shit
that I go into a spergmode has never happened to me.

>>158741004
You didn't just say that. You said
>thiis show is shit and shouldn't exist
Clearly not caring about other people. Clearly saying what they enjoy and like should dissapear for your own enjoyment.
You can't be so retarded you don't get the full implications of claiming stuff shouldn't exist

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>>158741095
>>this show is shit
>anon accepts it
>>thiis show is shit and shouldn't exist
>anon gets triggered
Holy shit anon that's some military grade autism.

>Clearly not caring about other people. Clearly saying what they enjoy and like should dissapear for your own enjoyment.
where_do_you_think_we_are.jpg
Go back somewhere else if
>thiis show is shit and shouldn't exist
triggers you so much, because on 4chin you will read a things that are 1000x more triggering.

>>158741123
What's his power

>>158741260
You're the one who should go away if you can't accept people shitting on you when you shin on them

>>158740284
And the yet in the 'time stop' that only allow the ally to move, the bullet was still able to move AND the bike was capable of exploding in the frozen time.

and again, foreknowledge wouldn't do shit in the wilhelm fight since there are clear start up animations that are still magnitude slower than speed+x

>>158741316
Being alone.

>>158735700
>>158735809
>>158735864
Aaaah cool, makes sense. Thanks!

>>158741429
Aziluth is literally repainting the world with whatever rule/dream the user has.
So your autism has no meaning there, neither do any law of physic or whatever.
If Ren decides that his friends can move and explode shit in his world then they can

>>158741423
Go up comment chain, if you give me a (You) wanting an argument I always respond. It's a normal thing to do.
Still, if you gonna start an argument with every person that has a different opinion than you then good luck.

>>158741316
Fucking you up

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So whats the consensus /a/?
At the end of the day, were you truly Dies Irae?

>>158741662
In the end they truly were Dies irae ~Amantes Amentes~ ~Acta es Fabula~ ~Also Sprach Zarathustra~

>>158741662
As also sprach zarathustra I acta est fabula my amantes amantes

It was probably the best VN I read by the way

Why is Mephistopheles so cool? That fight at the end of Marie's route, holy shit.

>>158741429
It sounds like you have a clear case of autism.

It's all explained well why those instances overcome Schreiber's craving, it has nothing to do with him not being able to dodge bullets. Re'ns timestop freezes Schreiber, and Shirou's foreknowledge bends reality to beat his craving. If you're too retarded to not acknowledge this, then you shouldn't be reading this in the first place.

>>158741662
You can say I had my very own Dies irae in a certain part on Rea's route.

>>158741700
>>158741710
>>158741662
Truly Omnia vincit Amor and Nihil difficle amanti

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>>158741662

I just want the fucking. Is the fucking great?

>>158742084
One scene is techically at least 1/4th futa necrophilia

>>158742084
The sex is dogshit, you either read this for the chuuni nonsense or you don't bother.