Whats your favorite sports manga? No magical bullshit, just amazing

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My favorite sports manga has none of all those things.

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Nothing magical, just bending some physics.

Chihayafuru

>>158656368
Haikyuu!! A masterpiece compared to kuroko

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I liked Teppu for as long as it lasted

>>158656368
>No magical bullshit
>Ippo

His oxygen bullshit seems pretty magical.

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>>158656988
>amazing feats of agility and strength
I think it falls well within that category

>>158656368
yawara! desu ne

>>158656368
Cross Game.

>>158657181
Woli was definitely magic.

>>158657867
I prefer to pretend that whole arc never happened

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>>158656368
Rookies, Real, or Ballroom, although Real is barely a sports manga

I know it's more of a drama/slice of life but still I fucking love Ashita no Joe

Initial D

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>>158658230
Picture

>>158656368
>You've got to activate the oxygen in your muscles

>>158656368
Over Rev!

>>158656368
Focus on physical prowess isn't good imo, because it devolves a match/fight into a contest of who has the "best" body, instead of being a contest of who makes the better decisions more consistently. A better decision maker could be brute-forced to a defeat in an unfair enough scenario.
Also, matches/fights with unrealistic elements have the freedom, the option to execute anything that a more realism-bound match/fight can execute, while the inverse isn't true.

>>158656368
>No magical bullshit, just amazing feats of strength and agility.
>Ippo
Pick one. I love Ippo but come on OP

>>158656846
>No magical bullshit

>>158658269
God the art style is atrocious. It's the only reason I never read/watched it

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>>158658253

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>>158656468
honestly after finally finishing liar game I couldn't help but think about Tokuchi one outs was fun.

I like Baby Steps

Kurokos Basketball

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>>158661308
same although I probably wont read the manga any time soon.

>>158656368
>no magical bullshit
>when there is the sixth dimensional reverse-Dempsey Roll that lands before Ippo throws the punch
jokes aside I really like that one

Ping Pong, just finished it recently, fucking adored it.

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top me , you cant and wont

>>158656945
This. I was really sad that we didn't get to the g-girl tournament. I don't even like MMA, but I really loved this series.

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>>158661563
my brother

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>>158656368
as long as we don't count the superpower of being black according to the manga

>>158656945
Teppu is great not for the MMA(though it was well done) but because the MC is a complete inversion of the typical shonen MC, shes tall, strong , naturally talented and is a cocky douche bag.

its almost like eyebrows is the MC and the story is simply being told from the rivals point of view.

>>158658018
>although Real is barely a sports manga

thats what makes it good, the best sports manga are the ones that use the sport as a sort of mirror of the MC's conflict.

REAL is not just about basketball its about real(see what i did there)life.

>>158663182
Eyeshield doesn't have superpowers, just exaggeration and hyperbole to the highest degree.

>>158661563
the Author already topped himself with Real and Vagabond.

>>158663182
BOTTLE

>>158657867
>Cross Game
Not even the best Adachi manga. Touch and H2 are both superior.

>>158664023
Touch was boring as fuck.

What has been going on in Ippo lately?

>>158664107
He had his first fight in 2 years. Not 2 years manga time. 2 years IRL

>>158664023
I preferred Cross Game to both. Rough was also better than H2, and MIX is on track to be up there, too.

Yowamushi Pedal

>>158664107
After getting BTFO by Alfredo Gonzales and narrowly avoiding brain damage Ippo and taking a hiatus from boxing, he has returned to the ring with his new 4th dimensional 720° dempsey roll and is currently BTFOing some noname shitter.

>>158664227
He got BTFO by Gonzalez lite not Gonzalez

>>158664227
That's gay, I just want his nice side to snap and him go apeshit. Back to shitty dempsey roll with oxygen memeing....

>>158664287
He did snap in one fight and OHKO'd some shitter 10 seconds into the round

>>158664212
>I preferred Cross Game to both
Why? It's so contrived and horribly paced, even for Adachi.

>>158664287
Funny thing is they were baiting with that shit for quite a while, about how you have to become a "monster" to survive at the world stage, and Ippo being the beta cuck that he is obviously can't handle it.

Regardless, it's obvious that he's never gonna go down that path and the plot will find some bullshit nice guy powers for him instead.

>>158664421
> contrived and horribly paced, even for Adachi
>even for Adachi
Neither of us is going to understand the other, clearly.

>>158664434
His new 1080 super duper Dempsey will be his new way. It gives him some crazy scary ring presence when you know he can throw punches from any direction at a moments notice without any warning

>>158663661
For me, matches/fights are more interesting to spectate than the players' backstories, when done well enough. Focusing on the latter detaches the viewer from the feel of tension of the moment, from the sense of responsibility and meaningfulness behind each player's actions, and from the tactical/strategical options both players/teams can take.
It's like spectating a fighting game match, or moba match, for example; saying that one's more interested on a particular player or team's story than on their matches is the same as saying that their matches aren't interesting.

>>158665280
Not him, but I agree with him, and I'd say that matches should tie into growth, but the minutiae of decisions and strategy really doesn't matter much for me. I think it's better to do it in broad strokes, once you get too much into the nitty-gritty then I usually start to lose interest, as someone who doesn't give a shit about actual sports.

>It's like spectating a fighting game match, or moba match, for example; saying that one's more interested on a particular player or team's story than on their matches is the same as saying that their matches aren't interesting.
I think this is a seriously flawed comparison from the start. Again, I don't care about real sports (or "real" e-sports), but I enjoy plenty of sports manga. Whether something is interesting in reality and whether it can be used in an interesting narrative are very different things.

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>>158665504
Just an example: MC's opponent started doing boxing because he was bullied at school, yet it has no relation to his playstyle which takes advantage of his long arm reach. Which was more interesting to see, his backstory or how to try to win against him (and how the opponent adjusts to that)? For me, if the matches sucked, I'd sleep through the manga; it was the (acceptable) wait for the next matches that kept me reading it to the end.

>I think this is a seriously flawed comparison from the start. Again, I don't care about real sports (or "real" e-sports), but I enjoy plenty of sports manga. Whether something is interesting in reality and whether it can be used in an interesting narrative are very different things.
If the manga/anime fail to convince me that the matches are interesting to read/watch, there's not much left to keep me reading/watching it.

>>158668223
>If the manga/anime fail to convince me that the matches are interesting to read/watch, there's not much left to keep me reading/watching it.
What about the characters? The story? You know, the things that keep you reading any other manga. I mean, obviously if there's huge swathes of boring shit the manga's bad, but you can make the matches interesting without it actually being about the match itself in detail, by (again) using broad strokes and focusing on the people playing the sport rather than the gameplan/strategy, which I just find pretty dull if it's floating on its own without giving me a reason to care.

Ashita no Joe is probably the best objectively. Touch and Ping Pong are also good.

>>158663477
>Teppu is great not for the MMA
Teppu is the most realisitc depiction of martial arts in manga I've ever saw.
>>158656945
Finished way too soon.

>>158668707
Characters (and opponent match-ups, and/or team sinergy when available) are interesting in terms of the possibilities added to the games (or explorable by the players), certain backstories (along with the characters' previous match/fight experiences/technology/specific training) may affect their potential and/or playstyles somehow, which makes them interesting to read/watch, as long as they can somehow affect a match/fight's progress.
Story.. I don't see myself caring for the story more than a match, unless that match (or match segment) isn't important and isn't interesting. To exemplify this, watching this playthrough (while trying to imagine what the player will do next, or else, much of the fun is lost) is perfectly enjoyable without the need to know the game's story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZg5Ewi3hsU

>>158671285
>I don't see myself caring for the story more than a match
Then I think we just follow fiction for different reasons entirely.

> watching this playthrough
>watching playthroughs
I reiterate - I think we just follow fiction for different reasons entirely.

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I'll also throw in Rokudenashi Blues (even though it isn't a sports manga at all) since it's tangentially a boxing manga (but for only 20 chapters or so)

Nobody's even mentioning Major?

>>158671988
Seasons 1 through 3 were amazing. After that, it got super average and it felt like a chore to finish the series. Might be because I binge watched it. Movies were also average. Still enjoyed it though.

I actually ended up joining a slow pitch softball beer league after watching Major. Our team lost every game, but it was still tanoshii.

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This and anything Adachi Mitsuru really, H2 is also amazing.

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>>158663182
Excellent taste

Haikyuu, easily.

>>158663182
I like how in Kuroko literally everyone had complete bullshit for their powers and techniques and yet the purple guy's power was literally just being tall in Japan

D-does Akagi count?

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>>158656368
Bamboo Blade is up there.

>>158664093
Shoot yourself

Would kenichi the mightiest desciple count? Cuz if so than that's my favorite

>>158664212
In my opinion H2 was much better than almost any Adachi work.

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>>158661563
So fucking good.

>>158670053
>most realisitc depiction of martial arts in manga
>MC always win against everybody, even national karate champion.

>Realistic

C'mon, all rounder meguru is more realistic than that. Fuck, even Karate Shoukoushi Kohinata Minoru got a better treatment of MA than teppu, and that's saying something.

all rounder meguru
if only it got updated faster

>>158680471
>>MC always win against everybody
Factually wrong.
>>MC always win against everybody, even national karate champion.
She had a street fight with Sanae, where she would have lost hadn't she done that trick with the shoe. The other fight of theirs was a MMA fight. Natsuo was trained by the 2nd best womens' MMA fighter in Japan and put great amounts of time and effort into it, has amazing talent and reach advantage due to her height. Compare that to Sanae who started training MMA around the same time as Natsuo, but didn't put as much effort into it, isn't as talented as Natsuo and as good at learning things and was trained by someone who probably isn't as great of a coach as Natsuo's coach.

>>158658269
Yet to be surpassed in sports manga

>>158681696
Yes of course pal, whatever makes you sleep at night.

>>158681696
that doesnt change the fact that its unrealistic and someone would have to train for years on ene to reach that sorta level
I still liked it though, amazing writing and characters

>>158681934
It isn't unrealistic at all for her to reach the level she did, she was also bad at grappling and focused more on striking and relied a lot on her natural abilites.

>>158682437
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>>158681934
Not really. You're assuming everyone is the same. But that's not the case. (Sorry if that sounded snarky).

Some people are just born naturally smarter or more athletically gifted. Their natural talent can get them pretty far ahead.

With Sanae, we got to take into account that sure, she's a champ (actually, I can't remember, WAS she a champ? And was it national or regional?), but for their age bracket at the time, we're not exactly talking about a gold medal Olympian here. Imagine a 13 year old vs an 11 year old. The 13 year old is good and naturally talented, while the 11 year old is a champ in his age bracket. The 13 year old has a pretty decent chance due to the physical advantages.

But once the MC started facing people who are equally or maybe even more talented, like Eyebrows and Brazilian Girl, that's when she hit a wall. Heck, when she started, she couldn't even beat the submission girl due to the experience gap. As that gap closed, her natural talent let her dominate submission girl.

Too bad Eyebrows is a freeeeeak.

Think of Natsuo as like, I dunno, a Brock Lesnar type. Someone who is absurdly physically gifted.

All that being said, the story of Teppu is such that, yeah, the MC was super dominant. Not as dominant as one might think once we start breaking down her record, but she's hardly an underdog MC.

>>158656718
This

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>>158656846
>>158676037
My niggas. So many best boys

>>158656368
Keijo
RIP in pieces.

>>158656368
Initial D, I guess.
>inb4 racing isn't a sport
It fucking is. It takes loads of skill and is physically demanding.

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>>158688115
But could Takumi defeat Speed Racer?

>>158688028
>Keijo
>OP said not magical bullshit

I like it, but c'mon...

>>158663182
Really liked Eyeshield 21. Except for the final story arc, which is just completely rushed.

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>>158656368
Ping Pong

>>158659765
Have you watched Haikyuu? There's no magic.

>>158656468
The only right answer

>>158656368
I love Kengan Ashura. Best martial arts manga of all time. Manages to be entertaining and charming without being boring

Nobody here likes Karate shoukoushi kohinata minoru?

OXYGEN

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>>158682715
She didn't lost any relevant fight, except the fights with Mawatori. The only fights she lost were off panel sparring sessions and against her rival, but as general rule, whenever losing a fight would set her back and further from her goal of taking revenge, she would win. BTW, the final fight was as lame as you could expect.

Her losing the final fight, which is "totally unexpected!" borders on the most boring cliche ever, as nearly all the sports manga which includes some kind of tournament will feature the MC moving to the finals, only to lose to some rival, which will set a new goal to keep the story moving forward. As "unexpected, omg, what a twist!" it was, is par for the course for the MC to lose on their first tournament on any manga; even dragon ball, which was not a sports manga, had Goku losing his first two tournaments. Honestly, for the most part, I can't find the MC interesting because at one hand, is unidimensional ("omg, I'm so good at everything that I'm bored all the time") to the point the rest of the cast was more attractive; and at the other, because the plot is boring as she steam rolls through every relevant match. Almost every time she wins is because some strike which lead to a ko, which is expected on a kickboxing match, but unrealistic on a mma fight. Particularly against a larger opponent with longer reach, playing stand up game is dumb because you're playing on his strengths. In other words, any mma fighter would learn that against a taller opponent the key is to take it to the ground and win through submission or choke. Yet, for some reason, in every sanctioned fight, every opponent goes into a punch exchange with the mc, even seasoned fighters. C'mon, really?

Which, btw, remind me: did they ever addressed the fact of her weight class? Or are you going to tell me two characters with similar complexion, but nearly 10-20cm in height difference have similar weight?

Yeah, completely realistic and credible.

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>anime
>manga
>realistic depiction of sports
>ever

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>>158656368
>Ippo
>Good

It turn into shit when it became all about oxygen bullshit.

>>158694608
get the fuck back in the lab jesse today's batch isn't going to cook itself

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>>158656368
REAL. Also my favorite manga over all.

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>>158663182
Suzuna best girl.

>>158695048
I can still hear her VA in my head.

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>>158661563

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>>158695111
Me too anon.

>>158694035
IN

>>158656368

OH MY DEMPSEY ROLL

>>158661563

I loved the manga. I hated the anime.

I remember Joe.