so this.... is the power... of the anime industry
That's pretty fuckin' bad.
I'm telling you, this shit is cyclical. When western comics failed, anime picked up the torch. Once the Japanese industry collapses, someone else will take over. Korea? The US?
You're being delusional. Anime is primarily advertisement for model kits, books and manga. Unless it's an original IP, poor home video sales mean absolutely nothing. That said, it seems like Madoka is the only successful original IP of the past 20 years.
its fucking weird, oozes bizarre style, finds new ways to make the audience sexually uncomfortable, occasional bursts of ultraviolence, and has some surprisingly grounded life lessons that it refuses to sugarcoat
In 4chanLand there are people who love SEED and hate Destiny, and there are people who hate SEED and hate Destiny, but Japan loves GSD for reasons unfathomable to us foorish gaijin.
>9 out of 15 shows are from this decade
>I assure you, anime will collapse ANY second now. Believe me.
>only a single good show on the list and it's Osomatsu-san
Okay, Madoka wasn't half bad either, but it's still quite incredible.
>And western cartoons/comics were primarily advertisements for toys. We saw how that went. It's not sustainable.
How so? You probably think about superhero comics but that's hardly all there is.
>it seems like Madoka is the only successful original IP of the past 20 years.
Judging on disk sales yeah, but it's evidently wrong.
They were and are not. Comics especially were their own product. It was not sustainable because comics now cost too much, among other things.
>There are people this stupid on neo-/a/
>not meme studio too
I'm not even Kyoanifag but Shaft is obviously Sony's drawslave only. See >>158657984
That's why Shaft got so little profit despite having multiple blockbuster tv series.
>Urban Fantasy / Battle Royale
>Fantasy / Zombie
>Urban Fantasy / Battle Royale
Why do people complain about anime variety again?
Obviously only the most successful #1 series is successful. Everything else is a flop. 10k BDs = flop. Low home release sales but high source material and merch sales = Flop. Everything except 20 quillion BDs sold = Flop according to salesfags.
You not understand what an original is? Its anime that started as anime first
11 out of the top 30 are originals (post 2000) if you count the sequels too:
Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED S1/S2
Yuuri!!! On Ice
Love Live! S1/S2
Code Geass S1/S2
Kidou Senshi Gundam 00 S1/S2
Girls und Panzer
That's actually alot.
Only decent anime on that list is code geass
Nips have some fucking shit taste.
Where's Haibane Renmei? GITS S.A.C 1/2? Welcome To The NHK?
Nah, well.. girls sqealing and awkward misunderstandings are much better i guess..
More of the wait the bigger the hype
>OBSESSIVE FAN MARKET
>ONLY MERCHANDISING CAN MAKE US MONEY
>Something's popular overseas? Don't change a thing, I'm sure they're willing to buy overpriced crap, too. Never mind that they can buy full seasons of big budget television shows for $15.
>Yeah, having this air once a week on Toonami with a shitty dub at 2AM is a great way to expand the market
>Streaming is the future. What's our cut of the profits again? Thanks for depositing $0.07 into our account, Crunchyroll!
>There's nothing that can be done, it's a niche market and no one wants to support us outside a small group willing to pay big bucks in Japan
>there's been talk about forming a union for a long time
>but it hasn't really worked out
In other words, animators are superspineless ultra omega betas who can't help it that they're such social pushovers that they can't even organize themselves into an union to help each another out, and they'd rather beg for gaijin money to finance them a place they can sleep for 2 and half hour instead of having to stay at their workplace.
Reminder the "animators" who draw still like this are the ones who don't make any money.
Lets just stay Love Live & Gundam stopped being successful at this exact moment.
Geass still exists. Tiger & Bunny still exists. Aikatsu still exists. And you're still a faggot.
What does a random picture have to do with animation? Gif related, this is the amazing animation from a poor struggling young animator.
Which part of that image shows their animation skills? Again, gif related such amazing animation these guys deserve to be paid $20,000 a minute minimum.
Disc sales are worthless. Barely anyone buys them.
Anime industry as a whole makes almost 20 billion $ every year. That's half of Hollywood revenue. From a country with 1/3 the population of USA.
>When western comics failed, anime picked up the torch.
Comics were actually a thing until the 90s. Big comics could regularly push sales into the millions, and comics were something that EVERYONE reads, not just niche groups like artists or nerds.
Now you're nerdy if you read comics, and sales rarely pass 100k unless you're a current trend or a major title. The only reason the two biggest comic book companies didn't fail is because they were bought by Animation studios (Warner Bros bought DC, Disney bought Marvel). And the comics made that those studios are now specifically written to support the movies, and are only really kept around to promote the shows/movies more.
>I draw formless trash
>The reason I can't make money is globalization! The Koreans are stealing my job!
I agree that one image looks ok.
How about the rest of the animation they're showing off? I've seen better drawn by 12 year olds on sites like Newgrounds 15 years ago.
They're already going to do it. The anime disc producers who work together with the anisong industry are really disappointed in how low disc sales are, and will now try to focus on getting foreigners.
Otaku are now considered the millstone around the neck, and Japanese normalfags and foreigners are the new hope of the anime industry.
>An explosion fills the screen
Effects animation is meaningless. Anyone can draw that. What do you think of the character & mechanical animation they've shown off?
>implying anything will change
They didn't do anything after SnK became absolutely enormous in the west, nobody's gonna do anything
The only possibility of anything actually changing is if a madman gambles a ton of money on an Evangelion-tier hit AND successfully capitalizes that in the west
>I drew some shitty smoke trails I deserve to be paid as much as someone with a proper job!
Meanwhile this is what real animation looks like.
Those are all smudge
I've seen better stuff on 2d stick flash animation by Hyun's Dojo
Just of a couple of things too. If you look at this recently published interview with an anime production company.
>制作会社A氏 ： そんなことはありません。基本的にアニメ作品10本に出資したとしても大体9本は外れます。
Interviewer asks if it is likely there are big profits to be had from being part of an anime production committee. Production company guy responds no not at all and says that 9 out 10 anime are a flop.
Further on he also makes the point that lots of people assume that big sales = big profits for the production committee when this isn't always necessarily the case. He says it has often been the case in his experience that when an anime turns into an unexpected hit the manufacturer of goods such as figures will end up in the red after it finishes airing because they will produce way more stock then they can sell and it will take a long time to recoup it.
I'm pretty sure that they're just doing creative accounting to pretend that they're making huge losses all the time, just like western movie studios do so that they don't have to pay anything to writers at all.
It's the whole reason production committees exist. One studio alone can't afford to make 9 flops in a row and wait for the tenth show to be a hit. 5-10 huge companies investing small amounts each can afford to lose that amount 9 times before getting a hit.
That's what's so amazing. Just look at the 60k+ series. There's 7 of them total and 5 of them are from this decade. Just last decade being 60k+ would be considered god-like and unparalleled which looking at it, it's pretty true since the only older show which did that is Gundam Seed which was huge (Bakemonogatari is right no the edge of the decades so it's a bit iffy). Now it's almost like there's one every year.
Most shows do eventually make a profit after several years.
You just gotta be patient. Since those huge companies produced bajillions of products, they get constant profits all the time.
no, 90s comics sold good because they kept printing out thousands of collector's editions that went on to be worthless than beanie babies are now worth. no one read comics in the 90s.
You have to remember anime is fucking expensive to buy, You buy most vidya for what £40-50, Anime sets can go for way more so honestly with these sales it's looking pretty good.
Look at YOI, It wasn't anything special but racked up 67k easily.
This. It defies logic that this supposedly perpetually on the verge of bankruptcy industry is pumping out 50+ shows a year for the last 15 years+. Is it because the Emperor decreed that his subjects must continue to produce cartoon slideshows at a loss for 100 years to atone for losing the war? I suspect it is because there are good economic reasons for these companies to invest in this.
There isn't even a source in your article just "an executive once said..." on ANN, a notoriously inaccurate website.
9 out of 10 shows failing doesn't mean you don't make all that money back and more on the 10th. That is exactly what promotes making so many shows. If you throw enough cheap shit out one of them will hit eventually. Consider that nobody forces studios to fund their anime through Production Committees. They do it because they would go out of business if they tried to go on their own because they couldn't sustain all the flops. There is literally no reason to rely on such a shitty system if they could be making money reliably time after time.
Now, to play the devil's advocate, it is possible that it really is making huge losses all the time, and the huge profits are just false values they put up to trick more investors into lending them money.
It's not the first time that Japanese companies would do such a thing (see the Toshiba accounting scandal).
Sifr was even better. Otome and Zwei were failures from the start. Next Mai-series should be an OVA series.
The Production Committee system has more to do with the general risk aversion of Japanese in business and the fact that when a production fails, the responsibility for this also is spread across the committee. That said, it's actually a smart model for an industry that has a lot of flops.
Here is a quick example Kemono Friends had 10 different companies invested in it.
For Kemono Friends ignoring online digital sales which were over 120,000 on iTunes Victor Entertainment sold
52,000 Albums at 3240 yen = 168,480,000 yen = $1.53 million
32,610 OP Singles at 2100 yen = 68,481,000 yen = $617,658
Total $2.14 million revenue
Now even if we say half of that was taken by the retailer. Kemono Friends would have been so cheap to make that divided by 10 companies they couldn't have invested more than what $100,000 maybe? So profits of over $1 million from a single hit show. They could invest in 9 other flops now and still break even.
It's the same thing either way. It doesn't really matter if it was instituted initially because of risk aversion or initially because of flops but it will be perpetuated because of flops.
Whenever I see shit like this all I can do is be surprised people like this even exist. The existence of the anime industry has nothing to do with you, murricans or comic books.
You're right that it's only part of the equation. Tokusatsu and mecha survived on merchandising far more than VHS sales after all.
Series like Free! & Yuri!!! On Ice are prime examples of how narrow demographics can still be viable when they're known to be extremely consumerist. It's part of the reason why Western media is always obsessed with being family friendly. That's a nice way of saying, we want dumb housewives to watch because they have a lot of expendable income and are known to be loose with it when you appeal to them.
I've always wondered how Love Live! managed to eclipse [email protected] so quickly. You'd think the older pre-established franchise with more tie-in media would have an obvious edge. Or maybe that's just it, [email protected] is far more successful in its games and audio discs than the anime.
I knew Shingeki no Kyojin was a hit but I didn't realize it got that big. Looking at /a/ you'd think Kyoani descended from the heavens but looking at these numbers, they've really declined in the last decade.
Highschool drama presented well with unique stylized animation, wordplay/mysticism that Nips love, and plenty of the bottom line. Appealing to a very wide audience. Personally I got tired of it by the White Snake arc. Can't deny the character designs and animation are great. Not exactly a fan of the in media res presentation though. Had a lot of the same flaws as Kara no Kyoukai.
The industry runs on Otaku pandering, what that means is putting new waifus/husbandos in never before seen situations or settings. Big sales depend on this.
Every few years there is a new way to pander, these last few years it's been Military+Moe, Idorus and Isekai.
So, what's next? Surely we haven't run out of things to waifu.
>he industry runs on Otaku pandering
Anime? Not anymore now, no.
It runs on women and teenage boys (hardly otaku, but anime has become that much more casual now), while seinen otaku has switched to manga/LN/games now.
That's retarded and delusional. They're otaku too.
Anyone who buys BDs/DVDs is an otaku, someone obsessive enough with a property he's willing to fork 70$ for a 1 or 2 episodes of QUALITY anime.
seinen otaku switching to manga/LNs?
kek, LNs are so shit because they're cheap to produce and sold cheaply, they're as worthless as toilet paper. The price is so low, so teens can afford them. Otaku are still expected to read all the well known ones though.