so this.... is the power... of the anime industry woa

UBWfags BTFO by Zero yet again

>>158655956
my only complaint is SEED

>>158655956

That's pretty fuckin' bad.

I'm telling you, this shit is cyclical. When western comics failed, anime picked up the torch. Once the Japanese industry collapses, someone else will take over. Korea? The US?

The anime industry doesn't end with bd sales.

>>158656022
According to Japan UBW is better than Zero.

>>158655956
>SHAFT
>SHAFT
>SHAFT
>
>
>
>
>
>K-on
Kyoani absolutely BTFO

>>158655956
Meduka stronk

>>158656110
>When western comics failed, anime picked up the torch.
What are you talking about?

>>158656110
>When western comics failed, anime picked up the torch.
you wot

Why was Bakemonogatari so successful?

>>158655956
Honestly, all these shows are fucking garbage. No wonder Japs have greviously shit taste.

>>158656110
You're being delusional. Anime is primarily advertisement for model kits, books and manga. Unless it's an original IP, poor home video sales mean absolutely nothing. That said, it seems like Madoka is the only successful original IP of the past 20 years.

>>158656110
Disney will take over everything and we'll get no more lolis.

>SEED/Destiny
>that fucking high
Goddamn that's some shit taste.

>>158656295
its fucking weird, oozes bizarre style, finds new ways to make the audience sexually uncomfortable, occasional bursts of ultraviolence, and has some surprisingly grounded life lessons that it refuses to sugarcoat

>>158655956
>Macross Frontier
Based Ranka.

>>158656359

And western cartoons/comics were primarily advertisements for toys. We saw how that went. It's not sustainable.

>>158656295

It's different and does its own thing well

>>158656295
Waifufags feel intelligent by watching it.

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>>158655956
Leave anime to us.

>>158656506
>Based Sheryl.
ftfy

>>158656587
Nice paint skills. Wish I could learn something from you.

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>>158656407
In 4chanLand there are people who love SEED and hate Destiny, and there are people who hate SEED and hate Destiny, but Japan loves GSD for reasons unfathomable to us foorish gaijin.

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>>158656110
>9 out of 15 shows are from this decade
>I assure you, anime will collapse ANY second now. Believe me.

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>>158655956
>only a single good show on the list and it's Osomatsu-san
Okay, Madoka wasn't half bad either, but it's still quite incredible.

>>158656507
>And western cartoons/comics were primarily advertisements for toys. We saw how that went. It's not sustainable.
How so? You probably think about superhero comics but that's hardly all there is.

>>158656621
No matter how many times I post this true non-bait image nobody ever points out the part I thought would get called out immediately.

>>158656654
>9 out of 15 shows are from this decade
Yes, because this chart is only about 2000-present, genius.

>>158656855
So you don't know what a decade is.

Why did bake sell high again?
Was it because the LN already popular?

>>158656359
>it seems like Madoka is the only successful original IP of the past 20 years.
Judging on disk sales yeah, but it's evidently wrong.

>>158656507
They were and are not. Comics especially were their own product. It was not sustainable because comics now cost too much, among other things.

>>158656181
>>158656587
Why in threads like this, kyoaniggers never appear?

>>158656766
Fujomatsu is umfunny garbage

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>yuri on ice at 4th
sasuga

>>158656855
>He doesn't know what a (sales) trend is

>>158656992
Nishio is huge since Katanagatari novel. He has cult following in Japan.

>>158657079
Probably because salesfagging belongs on >>>trash, regardless of the actions of a single dedicated spammer.

>>158655956
KyoAnus blown the fuck out.

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>>158655956
>refusing to list Kemono Friends

>>158655956
Man, I fucking hate Pornogatari.
Haremshit plus nothing but fanservice.

>>158657492
kememe friends is a literal memeshit so it doesnt count

>>158657079
Because their shitty meme studio can't compete against Sunrise or Shaft.

>>158656359
Code Geass is on there, too.

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>>158657885
>shaft

>>158657984

Is there some place where I can read about different business models studios employ?

>>158655956
>Seed and Seed Destiny
/m/ on suicide watch

>>158657984
If you remove Gundam sales Sunrise would be nearly bankrupt.

>>158658115
>What is Love Live

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>>158658115
>There are people this stupid on neo-/a/

>>158657885
>Shaft
>not meme studio too
I'm not even Kyoanifag but Shaft is obviously Sony's drawslave only. See >>158657984
That's why Shaft got so little profit despite having multiple blockbuster tv series.

>>158658115
Lurk more newshit.

>>158658184
I hope you're not implying Mai Hime was anything noteworthy.

>>158656295
Pedoshit.

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>>158655956
SHERIRU ~!!!!!!!!

>>158656587
>Code Geass
>not adding Return of Mai Hime in there too

Both series will get 50k in BD releases

>>158658442
a shit

>>158658491
>Return of Mai Hime
They have been teasing that for nearly a decade. They aren't doing shit.

>>158658491
>Return of Mai Hime
It's about 10000 years too early for that.

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>>158657797
>literal memeshit
>Osomatsu-San

Nanii

>>158655956
m-m-muh industry

>>158658442
Man face

>>158658511
>>158658600
t. cocklets

>>158656374
>we'll get no more lolis.
But Walter Disney was a lolicon. Shouldn't they honor his memory? He didn't die for a world without lolis.

>>158656359
>That said, it seems like Madoka is the only successful original IP of the past 20 years.
You couldn't be more wrong.

>>158655956
>Urban fantasy
>Mahou shoujo
>Mecha
>Sport
>Idols
>Comedy
>Urban Fantasy
>Mecha
>Idols
>Urban Fantasy / Battle Royale
>Fantasy / Zombie
>Urban Fantasy / Battle Royale
>Mecha
>Mecha
>SoL

Why do people complain about anime variety again?

>>158657107

You're unfunny garbage.

>>158656766
Hang yourself, stupid fujo.

>>158658778
Obviously only the most successful #1 series is successful. Everything else is a flop. 10k BDs = flop. Low home release sales but high source material and merch sales = Flop. Everything except 20 quillion BDs sold = Flop according to salesfags.

>>158657054
You not understand what an original is? Its anime that started as anime first

11 out of the top 30 are originals (post 2000) if you count the sequels too:

Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED S1/S2
Yuuri!!! On Ice
Love Live! S1/S2
Macross Frontier
Code Geass S1/S2
Kidou Senshi Gundam 00 S1/S2
Girls und Panzer

That's actually alot.

>>158657492
First, the actual disc sales are unknown and two, someanithng only keeps track of non-cgi anime. So stuff like Knights of Sidonia, Ajin, Ars Nova, etc dont get counted.

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>>158656484
Good post. Also Kaiki.

Only decent anime on that list is code geass
Whoa.
Nips have some fucking shit taste.
Where's FMAB?
Where's steins;gate?
Where's Haibane Renmei? GITS S.A.C 1/2? Welcome To The NHK?
Bokurano?

Nah, well.. girls sqealing and awkward misunderstandings are much better i guess..

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>>158655956
>Destiny above Seed
how?

>>158659065
>..
Fuck off.

>>158659065
There's literally one good anime in your post and it's Bokurano.

>>158659053
Kaiki a shit.

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>>158658535
More of the wait the bigger the hype

Always believe.

>>158657079
Normal reaction for them cowards.

>>158659504
Zegapain getting a movie has made be believe anything is possible.
I want a proper Buddy Complex S2

>>158657492
How would we even KNOW how much it sold? It wasn't even listed in the Oricon chart.

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>>158655956
>kyoani

>>158657492
book is the major part, BD is a extra

>>158656587
Ideon is from the 80's

>>158655956
>OBSESSIVE FAN MARKET
>ONLY MERCHANDISING CAN MAKE US MONEY
>Something's popular overseas? Don't change a thing, I'm sure they're willing to buy overpriced crap, too. Never mind that they can buy full seasons of big budget television shows for $15.
>Yeah, having this air once a week on Toonami with a shitty dub at 2AM is a great way to expand the market
>Streaming is the future. What's our cut of the profits again? Thanks for depositing $0.07 into our account, Crunchyroll!
>There's nothing that can be done, it's a niche market and no one wants to support us outside a small group willing to pay big bucks in Japan

>>158659065
>Good anime
>Anime that sells
Pick one and only one. That said, your tastes are pretty lame

>>158660173
The joke is Eva, the actual most successful of the 90s, is sometimes called an Ideon ripoff.

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>sales

>>158660679
>there's been talk about forming a union for a long time
>but it hasn't really worked out
In other words, animators are superspineless ultra omega betas who can't help it that they're such social pushovers that they can't even organize themselves into an union to help each another out, and they'd rather beg for gaijin money to finance them a place they can sleep for 2 and half hour instead of having to stay at their workplace.

>>158658115
Two words:
Love Live
Now fuck off to >>>/r/eddit/ faggot

>>158660894
Not with Sunshine it isn't

LoveLive is dying

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>>158660679
Reminder the "animators" who draw still like this are the ones who don't make any money.

>>158661006
Sunshine performed similar to the season 1 of LL.
Season 2 of Sunshine is going to perform similar to the season 2 of LL
Stay on >>>/r/eddit/

>>158661006
Lets just stay Love Live & Gundam stopped being successful at this exact moment.
Geass still exists. Tiger & Bunny still exists. Aikatsu still exists. And you're still a faggot.

>>158661072
No.

>>158661324
Name one known animator who is underpaid. Can't do it, can you? Checkmate atheist.

>>158659065
You have pleb taste

>>158661390
You don't know their salaries. But art here >>158660679 is not >>158661072 tier

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>>158661512
What does a random picture have to do with animation? Gif related, this is the amazing animation from a poor struggling young animator.

>>158661752
>What does a random picture have to do with animation
It was draw by animator from this article. You can already see his skills.

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>>158662064
Which part of that image shows their animation skills? Again, gif related such amazing animation these guys deserve to be paid $20,000 a minute minimum.

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>>158655956

Disc sales are worthless. Barely anyone buys them.

Anime industry as a whole makes almost 20 billion $ every year. That's half of Hollywood revenue. From a country with 1/3 the population of USA.

>>158659065
You literally have the worst taste on this thread.

>>158658820
You are too optimistic. Most of them are waifubait which makes them all the same shit. You don't realize that because you fall for the waifubait(i.e you are dumb)

Silly dumb poor animators.
Next time, they should just have gotten a normal job as a burger flipper.
Perhaps they can isekai their life into becoming a normal person instead.

>>158655956
>YoI
I guess you could say it made history.

>>158656260
>>158656285
>When western comics failed, anime picked up the torch.

Comics were actually a thing until the 90s. Big comics could regularly push sales into the millions, and comics were something that EVERYONE reads, not just niche groups like artists or nerds.

Now you're nerdy if you read comics, and sales rarely pass 100k unless you're a current trend or a major title. The only reason the two biggest comic book companies didn't fail is because they were bought by Animation studios (Warner Bros bought DC, Disney bought Marvel). And the comics made that those studios are now specifically written to support the movies, and are only really kept around to promote the shows/movies more.

Sakuga is irrelevant.
Only story matters.

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>kyoani barely making the list

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>>158660679
>I draw formless trash
>The reason I can't make money is globalization! The Koreans are stealing my job!
>Please donate

>>158662238
>Which part of that image shows their animation skills?
You already can see his strong fundamentals as artist. That guy can't be shit. I don't know why you still shitposting.

>>158662507
Why buy physical comic-copies if I can simply buy the e-version of it?

>>158660828
>ultra omega betas
>omega betas
>each another out
No one would take you seriously until you start using proper English.

>>158662542
Writing>story>direction>designs>>>>>>>>>>animation

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>>158662641
I agree that one image looks ok.
How about the rest of the animation they're showing off? I've seen better drawn by 12 year olds on sites like Newgrounds 15 years ago.

>>158662253
Hollywood makes most of that money worldwide, anime is like 80% Jap money, it's insane

>>158662841
Now the animu industry only needs to actually get competent writers.

>>158660205
Would gou rather them go after "wider audiences" and mass appeal?

>>158662374
>if it features women it's waifubait
Pathetic

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>>158662874
???

>>158662984
They're already going to do it. The anime disc producers who work together with the anisong industry are really disappointed in how low disc sales are, and will now try to focus on getting foreigners.
Otaku are now considered the millstone around the neck, and Japanese normalfags and foreigners are the new hope of the anime industry.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2017-04-04/aniuta-president-comments-on-decline-of-anime-and-anime-music-industries/.114307

>>158663282
Good thing. And as I know there is some projects for "starving" animators. They want to improve their work conditions and salaries

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>>158663120
>An explosion fills the screen
Effects animation is meaningless. Anyone can draw that. What do you think of the character & mechanical animation they've shown off?

>>158663282
>implying anything will change
They didn't do anything after SnK became absolutely enormous in the west, nobody's gonna do anything
The only possibility of anything actually changing is if a madman gambles a ton of money on an Evangelion-tier hit AND successfully capitalizes that in the west

>>158655956
>love live being higher than k-on
Japs have shit taste.

>>158662374
>waifubait
What a nebulously-defined term

>>158663540
k-on is pure dogshit

Why are male otaku such worthless pieces of shit?
Why do they have the audacity to shitpost on the internet and critic everything when they don't even buy anime anymore?

>>158663970

Because they can

>>158657492
Lurk more fucking bronie

>>158655956
>>>/v/

>>158664172
The Japanese government should round them up for the Olympics 2020 and then burn them all in a giant pyre to everyone's amusement.

Instead of getting mad at the top selling anime, people should be more mad about decent anime that flops. That's where the problem really is.

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>>158660679
>I drew some shitty smoke trails I deserve to be paid as much as someone with a proper job!
Meanwhile this is what real animation looks like.

>>158664645
Would look better if it were made in 3D.

>>158664698
Obviously it would as 3D is the future, but for now we must put up with 2DPD for a little longer.

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>>158664645
Those are all smudge
I've seen better stuff on 2d stick flash animation by Hyun's Dojo

>>158655956
How did SEED Destiny sell more than SEED?

>>158665009
>Furshit
Absolutely disgusting. Tezuka is rolling in his grave.

>>158656766
Damn, feels good knowing that yoi is finally higher than osomatsu.

>>158664645
>Meanwhile this is what real best girls looks like

Fixed that.

>>158662473
Underrated post.

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>>158665157
Oh you

>>158659593
It's possible since Zegapain movie is a huge success. I wouldn't be surprised Mai Hime will get the same treatment added with a new Mai-series.

>>158658866
Just of a couple of things too. If you look at this recently published interview with an anime production company.

http://nlab.itmedia.co.jp/nl/articles/1706/18/news001.html

>――製作委員会に入ると大きな利益が得られるのでしょうか
>制作会社A氏 ： そんなことはありません。基本的にアニメ作品10本に出資したとしても大体9本は外れます。

Interviewer asks if it is likely there are big profits to be had from being part of an anime production committee. Production company guy responds no not at all and says that 9 out 10 anime are a flop.

Further on he also makes the point that lots of people assume that big sales = big profits for the production committee when this isn't always necessarily the case. He says it has often been the case in his experience that when an anime turns into an unexpected hit the manufacturer of goods such as figures will end up in the red after it finishes airing because they will produce way more stock then they can sell and it will take a long time to recoup it.

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>ideon for the 90's
you're okay

>>158668404
I'm pretty sure that they're just doing creative accounting to pretend that they're making huge losses all the time, just like western movie studios do so that they don't have to pay anything to writers at all.

>>158668543
It's the whole reason production committees exist. One studio alone can't afford to make 9 flops in a row and wait for the tenth show to be a hit. 5-10 huge companies investing small amounts each can afford to lose that amount 9 times before getting a hit.

>>158656654
That's what's so amazing. Just look at the 60k+ series. There's 7 of them total and 5 of them are from this decade. Just last decade being 60k+ would be considered god-like and unparalleled which looking at it, it's pretty true since the only older show which did that is Gundam Seed which was huge (Bakemonogatari is right no the edge of the decades so it's a bit iffy). Now it's almost like there's one every year.

>>158656484
first actual description i've seen, good job anon

>>158656359
Code Geass and Yuri on Ice are also originals on the list though.

>>158656791
Mostly the cartoons, not comics.

>>158668625
Most shows do eventually make a profit after several years.
You just gotta be patient. Since those huge companies produced bajillions of products, they get constant profits all the time.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2012-03-05

>>158662507
no, 90s comics sold good because they kept printing out thousands of collector's editions that went on to be worthless than beanie babies are now worth. no one read comics in the 90s.

>>158668822
You think an ANN article from 2012 is a more reliable source than an interview with an actual production company staff member from last week?

>>158665174
Does it matter? They are both good shows.

>>158668935
Sure. After all, lying is extremely easy to do.

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You have to remember anime is fucking expensive to buy, You buy most vidya for what £40-50, Anime sets can go for way more so honestly with these sales it's looking pretty good.

Look at YOI, It wasn't anything special but racked up 67k easily.

>>158668543
This. It defies logic that this supposedly perpetually on the verge of bankruptcy industry is pumping out 50+ shows a year for the last 15 years+. Is it because the Emperor decreed that his subjects must continue to produce cartoon slideshows at a loss for 100 years to atone for losing the war? I suspect it is because there are good economic reasons for these companies to invest in this.

>>158664181
>implying Kemonofriends is anything like a bronie
>implying a bronie isn't still better than probably you

>>158669048
There isn't even a source in your article just "an executive once said..." on ANN, a notoriously inaccurate website.

>>158669070
9 out of 10 shows failing doesn't mean you don't make all that money back and more on the 10th. That is exactly what promotes making so many shows. If you throw enough cheap shit out one of them will hit eventually. Consider that nobody forces studios to fund their anime through Production Committees. They do it because they would go out of business if they tried to go on their own because they couldn't sustain all the flops. There is literally no reason to rely on such a shitty system if they could be making money reliably time after time.

>>158658491

Otome was better

>>158656587
One of this does not belong

>>158662841
The medium is called animation, not any of those other meme factors.

>>158669070
Now, to play the devil's advocate, it is possible that it really is making huge losses all the time, and the huge profits are just false values they put up to trick more investors into lending them money.
It's not the first time that Japanese companies would do such a thing (see the Toshiba accounting scandal).

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>>158669188
Sifr was even better. Otome and Zwei were failures from the start. Next Mai-series should be an OVA series.

>>158656171
Yeah that's why UBW sold more, right? Oh wait, I don't see it there, how come, anon?

>>158669186
The Production Committee system has more to do with the general risk aversion of Japanese in business and the fact that when a production fails, the responsibility for this also is spread across the committee. That said, it's actually a smart model for an industry that has a lot of flops.

>>158656110
>>158662507
>when western comics failed

American "comics", which are mostly capeshit.

>>158660828
Japs are spineless? who knew?

>>158669070
Here is a quick example Kemono Friends had 10 different companies invested in it.

For Kemono Friends ignoring online digital sales which were over 120,000 on iTunes Victor Entertainment sold
52,000 Albums at 3240 yen = 168,480,000 yen = $1.53 million
32,610 OP Singles at 2100 yen = 68,481,000 yen = $617,658
Total $2.14 million revenue

Now even if we say half of that was taken by the retailer. Kemono Friends would have been so cheap to make that divided by 10 companies they couldn't have invested more than what $100,000 maybe? So profits of over $1 million from a single hit show. They could invest in 9 other flops now and still break even.

>>158669444
It's the same thing either way. It doesn't really matter if it was instituted initially because of risk aversion or initially because of flops but it will be perpetuated because of flops.

>>158669327
New Mai Otome series when?

>>158669444
Well they have to be able to stem the loss.

I guess a Production committee does not consume money by simply existing. should be a lean affair.

>>158655956
Why is Fate Zero counted twice?

>>158656110
Maybe the French. They seem to like anime style techniques.

>>158656598
Is this from an actual anime?

>>158657984
What does this chart mean?

>>158672686

Get a load of this guys

>>158656110
Whenever I see shit like this all I can do is be surprised people like this even exist. The existence of the anime industry has nothing to do with you, murricans or comic books.

>>158662253
>>158655956
You're right that it's only part of the equation. Tokusatsu and mecha survived on merchandising far more than VHS sales after all.

Series like Free! & Yuri!!! On Ice are prime examples of how narrow demographics can still be viable when they're known to be extremely consumerist. It's part of the reason why Western media is always obsessed with being family friendly. That's a nice way of saying, we want dumb housewives to watch because they have a lot of expendable income and are known to be loose with it when you appeal to them.

I've always wondered how Love Live! managed to eclipse Idolm@ster so quickly. You'd think the older pre-established franchise with more tie-in media would have an obvious edge. Or maybe that's just it, Idolm@ster is far more successful in its games and audio discs than the anime.

I knew Shingeki no Kyojin was a hit but I didn't realize it got that big. Looking at /a/ you'd think Kyoani descended from the heavens but looking at these numbers, they've really declined in the last decade.

>>158658972
That is odd. I mean where's the cut off? Most mecha anime are like 70% cgi these days.

>>158657205
>katanagatari
nisio is huge since zaregoto, annon

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>>158656295
Highschool drama presented well with unique stylized animation, wordplay/mysticism that Nips love, and plenty of the bottom line. Appealing to a very wide audience. Personally I got tired of it by the White Snake arc. Can't deny the character designs and animation are great. Not exactly a fan of the in media res presentation though. Had a lot of the same flaws as Kara no Kyoukai.

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>>158660828

The industry runs on Otaku pandering, what that means is putting new waifus/husbandos in never before seen situations or settings. Big sales depend on this.
Every few years there is a new way to pander, these last few years it's been Military+Moe, Idorus and Isekai.

So, what's next? Surely we haven't run out of things to waifu.

>>158674078
>he industry runs on Otaku pandering
Anime? Not anymore now, no.
It runs on women and teenage boys (hardly otaku, but anime has become that much more casual now), while seinen otaku has switched to manga/LN/games now.

>>158673889
Holy shit the animator is kinda cute tbqhwyf

>>158673889
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>>158674137
That's retarded and delusional. They're otaku too.
Anyone who buys BDs/DVDs is an otaku, someone obsessive enough with a property he's willing to fork 70$ for a 1 or 2 episodes of QUALITY anime.

teenage boys?
seinen otaku switching to manga/LNs?

kek, LNs are so shit because they're cheap to produce and sold cheaply, they're as worthless as toilet paper. The price is so low, so teens can afford them. Otaku are still expected to read all the well known ones though.

Submit to your fujoshi overlords

>>158669417
>Zero is liked more by the disgusting normie masses
Thanks for proving me right

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>>158677657

"nods approvingly*

What the fuck does this say?