grave of the retards

>>158584140
That's the point though.

>>158584691
This guy is right, that's what it's about, retarded pride

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>>158584140
>forced drama
It's based off a true story.

>>158584140
That's the fucking -
>>158584691
Exactly.

>>158584140
What is the problem though?

>>158584140
Yep
Totally over-rated shit movie

No sympathy at all

>>158584140
Thank you. The whole tragedy would have been avoided if he wasn't an idiot, he drags his sister to live in a cave and a few hours before his sister starves to death he decides it may be good to take some of the money they have in the bank and buy food. He had a freakin savings account in a bank the whole time!!!

>>158585098
>!!!
Stop that.

>>158584140
It's literally someone's life though. This shit it not made up.

>>158584140
That's kind of the point. MUH JAPANESE PRIDE

People who make it a sob story are annoying. you're supposed to feel angry, not sad (except for the little girl I guess)

>>158584140
This tale of World War II civilians is actually a metaphor for Japan's role in WWII.

Japan picked fights it couldn't win because it was too proud and too stupid to just play it cool.

>>158585544
Even worse than that are the people who think it's an anti-war film.

It's a film that attacks the arrogance of Japanese society and the rebelliousness of youth. Note how the American occupation is depicted as a good thing.

>it's an /a/ shits on Ghibli episode again

sageru

>>158585881
Thank you

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>>158585098
>He had a freakin savings account in a bank
wat, I don't remember this

>>158586001
The father did.

>>158585959
>hurr muh classics
ghibli had a lot of trash, get over yourself you retarded weeaboo

>>158586065

Here's your reply, fag-kun.

>>158586065
>ghibli had a lot of trash
Such as?

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>This chorus of people who actually understood the film

Man.

Nobody seemed to get it back when it came out. Discussions were super frustrating.

>>158586054
Then why did the boy steal the farmer's crops? Or was that before he found out about the money?

>>158586054
wtf, is there a single redeeming thing about this retarded brother?

>>158586065
>using weeaboo as an insult
>on /a/

>>158586175
I honestly don't remember, it's been a long time since I watched this movie and I don't want to ever watch it again because it's such a downer.

>>158586197
I mean he was just a kid too. He couldn't really do much. It's funny because the story this is based on (the brother), actually states that novel version of him is much more heroic than he was IRL. Apparently he never even saved food for his sister IRL and let her die and he had other siblings with him as well that died.
But he ended up living.

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Both sides in this thread are retarded.

It's a garbage film, but for reasons /a/ evidently isn't smart enough to understand.

Webm related highlights a core problem.

>>158584140
nips are retarded, in taste and in their head, nothign new here.

>>158586148
I don't know how so many people missed the point, if I'm honest.

The fact that after the girl's death they show a bunch of Japanese women enjoying the luxuries of the occupation and then cut back to the shelter to show it in ruins, should've driven the point home quite hard.

>>158586375
why do normalfags love this shit so much then? it has high ratings on western rating sites.

>>158586282
>I mean he was just a kid too. He couldn't really do much
It's not about him DOING things but more about him NOT DOING retarded things like going on a ridiculous project to live alone in the outside when he has a comfy home to live in and an actually understanding aunt who'll let him do nothing all day for some reason.

He went out of his way to fuck everything up.

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>>158586398
>should've driven the point home quite hard.
We were too busy crying.

>>158586458
>crying
>at this forced drama
faggot probably cried during clannad too

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>>158586518
>clannad
No! Don't remind me!

>>158586398
>the luxuries of the occupation
Did they show nihon girls getting sum of dat BWC?

>>158586398
This. Honestly, I don't know why Americans think this film is an attack on them. It's literally just a critique on Japan that failed them.

>>158586398

People saw that scene as "look at these kids who died heroically while these bitches are eating out of the hand of the invaders".

It's amazing reading the interview with the director where he straight-up says "this is a double-suicide story".

>>158584140

Why did they die so easily it's like that meme where they tell you 5 minutes out in the wilderness without food or water and you die.

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Shit film.

>>158586986
so sad ;_;

>>158587033
For morons like you, sure.

Intelligent people are able to see the manipulative nature of that scene.

>>158586398
What are you talking about? I always understood that sequence as the contrast between the social classes during the war. While rich people just left their homes during the bombings and went somewhere else safe, (even out of the country), the poor and middle class had to endure them, having their homes and families destroyed and be forced to rely on those shitty shelters.

>>158587062
>I always understood that sequence as the contrast between the social classes during the war
Way to miss the point you stupid idiot.

I didn't realize how retarded it was until I was much older. I think I was in my early teens when I originally watched it and thought it was very sad.

>>158587061
>Intelligent people
Lost

>>158587061
how is it being manipulative?

>op actually started a discussion with a bait

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>>158586986
>this cancer eye quality

>>158587201
Explain why that scene exists. Explain the purpose of it.

>>158587170
Yeah, right. Totally destroyed my argument with those personal insults.

>>158587237
to show what the little girl's life was like in the cave? an integral part of understanding the story?

>>158587061
the nature of provoking an emotional response in someone else is in itself a form of manipulation of someone's emotional faculties using a medium.

Your batshit insane logic is applied to everything since all of it is manufactured

>>158587062
Except this was after the war, when living conditions in Japan improved drastically.

The idea of that scene is to point out that if the brother had just stuck with his aunt and behaved a bit more humbly, then he and his sister could've lead a nice life. The shelter is a shrine of the brother's arrogance.

Why do think the film is called "Grave of the Fireflies"? Because the light that fireflie produce is lost quickly because they die quickly- Much like the brother's delusions of independence.

>>158584140
>forced drama
>ACTUALLY FUCKING HAPPENED

>>158587061
Movies try to make you feel things with actions and imagery in the film? Next you'll tell me water is wet

>>158587061
Literally EVERY single film manipulates you. You're not onto some sort of government top secret with this one, anon.

>>158587318
Did you come up with this yourself, or did you read it on some movie review website?

Because it sounds like a load of bullshit.

>>158587061
don't let the other retards get you down, I know what you mean. a well written story elicits an emotional response without being obvious with it. if the illusion is too obvious, the magic trick loses its wonder.

>>158587318
I didn't think it was anything about the aunt/brother's arrogance though, at all. It was more about how the society failed them. They were both kids, he wasn't arrogant, just ignorant.

>>158587280
Thank you for confirming your stupidity.

>>158587556
Nice argument, thanks for proving yours

>>158587351
Sure thing buddy. You're only one of many here not to get it.

>>158587603
So both the boy and the girl are dead, and you think the film showing you a montage of the girl doing little girl things is "an integral part of understanding the story"?

Once again, thank you for confirming your stupidity. People like you will never learn.

>>158587061
Except that is literally the point of almost all movies, to make you learn or feel a emotions from the characters and its plot
Your autism fueling your cynicism is a bad combo m8

Cool buzzword kiddo

>>158587707
Good films evoke emotion from the audience through purely diegetic means. An idiot like yourself wouldn't understand what that means, and therefore you don't have a hope of ever knowing when you're being manipulated.

>>158587542
>he wasn't arrogant
Really nigga?
>>158586439

>>158587800
What the fuck else is a kid gonna do though? The aunt was rude as fuck. I'd run away too.

>>158587790
Your post exudes so much pretentiousness, dude.

>The aunt was rude as fuck. I'd run away too.
one thing to kill yourself for being a sensitive retard, but he also dragged his sister along with him

the stupid kid crying was the most irritating part of the movie. by the end of the movie, i was glad she died

the VA nailed it holy shit

>>158587886
She was also deliberately malnourishing and taking advantage of them. Besides the constant nagging, they had no freedom at all in that house, that can't be called a 'comfy life', like >>158586439 says.

>>158587824
She wouldn't be rude if he worked instead of sitting on his ass the whole day to do God knows.

And even if she was rude (not so much considering the circumstances) it's still easier to deal with a rude aunt than to fucking build a house and steal food to barely survive with your 4 years old sister.

>>158587842
Only because you're too stupid to understand it, no matter how clearly it's been outlined.

>>158587969
>deliberately malnourishing
They were healthy and got enough food, just not the greatest shit on the table because he didn't help with that unlike everyone else. WOW I DIDNT GET EXPANSIVE RICE BOO FUCKING HOO

>they had no freedom at all in that house
Like what freedom? They had their room. They could sit on their ass forever. That's what they did until the brother went all Snake Eater

>>158587970
It's easy to say this from your perspective, but look at it from his POV.
>son of high ranking military man
>lived extremely comfortable life before the war
>forced to live with aunt who barely feeds him, steals his food, and yells at his sister
A combination of extreme pride + anger does things to you, especially in his youth when he still is quite ignorant about the world in general. He wasn't thinking logically, just impulsively.

>>158587790
You're the bigger idiot if you really think I went into a well known tear jerker movie not expecting the writings driving point being to make me sad
When that scene of the little girl playing around the cave came on I knew she was going to die because the scene was trying to get me to empathize with her so I would feel her death more, and it worked even though I knew the writers/directors reasoning for scenes
It's called having empathy, here's the last (you) you'll get outta me

>>158588064
Re-watch the movie, pal. She made them sold their mother's belongings progressively to bring food to the table, and even then she wasnt giving them what by right was theirs.

>Like what freedom? They had their room. They could sit on their ass forever. That's what they did until the brother went all Snake Eater

They couldnt use the bathroom inside the house or even the kitchen. Why do you think he had to buy their own cooking tools?

>>158588115
So he acted the worst way he could because muh pride. I'm not saying it makes the movie bad or anything, but it's not a sob story about society failing kids. It's kids retiring from society and fucking dying because society wasn't there to support them anymore.

>>158587790
>t. Failed film school student

>>158587969
It was also during a war and they were poor as fuck, as if they're entitled to anything at all. They were lucky to have a roof and some rice. None of that justifies being a retard and getting your family killed just because you aren't getting the respect you'd like from your benefactors.

>>158588011
I'm not the poster you were originally quoting. Your post just gave me the impression that you are too far up your own ass, that's all.

>>158588128
>You're the bigger idiot if you really think I went into a well known tear jerker movie not expecting the writings driving point being to make me sad
You're the biggest idiot for not understanding anything I said, or what the meaning of diegetic is.

You don't have to fight it dude, dumb movies like this were made for people like yourself. You're the dumb market, which is essential to the industry.

>>158588193
Without ever trying to talk it out, mind you. The brother was a fucking leech

>>158588230
You're only further proving your stupidity here.

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>>158588184
I almost feel bad for these types of autists, they come up with and argue the life out of the pettiest of things just to feel "superior" in their minds for only a moment in their sad lives

>>158588346
Yeah, shame on me. You are the only intelligent and enlightened one here, it seems.

>>158588469
Certainly more than a moron like yourself at least.

>>158588515
You have just proven that you can't have a debate without relying on personal insults to reinforce your points. Way to consider yourself 'inteligent', man.

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Heh Plebians, this movie is not about muh little monkey brain fee fees but about showcasing how overrated the Japanese government is by its own people and how the filthy gaijin are dirty apes with too much power who throw their stinky feces bombs at anyone who so much as glares at their "beautiful land of the free"

>>158588234
Not the anon you replied to, but you're a smug cunt.

>>158588698
Debate? What debate? You really are a moron.

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>>158588893
>the idiot resorts to obvious samefagging

>>158589175
Did you have to think hard for that reply? Because it certainly took you a while.

>>158588893
this

>>158589253
It not samefagging, I'm still lurking around lads

>>158589257
Believe it or not, there are better things to devote focus to than morons like yourself.

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It's that time of year again.

>>158584140
bump

>>158587457
not that anon but he's right after the war japan was at the peak of rebuilding their homeland m8

Quality thread, /a/.

>>158595825
>bumping a shitty thread on page 10
Why?

I remember an anon once saying that the moral of the book it was based on, I believe, is that dont disobey the adults or you die. If that's true that's pretty funny

>>158595884
The moral is to obey the adults until you're not retarded enough to take care of yourself.