Where were you when kuroshit manga confirmed two ciels theory

Was about damn time.

>people still had doubts until now

>>158559587

It was pretty obvious for a long time really.

It was about time, but now the fun is over. ;_;

>>158559587
Why does he look evil? Is he actually taller than ourCiel? Is he going to cuck ourCiel out of Elizabeth?

>>158560577
But he's evil. Murders best butlers, steals fiancees etc

>>158560089
It took a few theories to piece it all together. But the author gave too many clues, it blew my mind through since it wasn't too obvious until now.

>>158560662
Why is he evil tho? Did he take their parents death badly as well?

>>158559587
People were still doubting and saying it was a red herring. For years there was literally no possibly alternative theory that would fit except twins.

>>158559587
Fucking finally. Now all the retarded landwhales will shut the fuck up or sudoku.

>>158560185
Now I'm curious about the real name of our Ciel.

>>158560577
He was the outgoing one and our Ciel was the shy sickly one. No idea why he's so evil.

Other Ciel was the one engaged to Lizzy in the first place anyways. The one Lizzy was apparently in love with.

>>158560577
>>158560947
>why is he evil
He was the one tortured and murdered on that ritual table and then most probably his soul was eaten by Sebastian meaning he is a zombie longing for his former life, of course he would be evil. Also who knows what lies and manipulations Undertaker used on him.

Wait a minute, what's with this doppelganger business? Wait, what the fuck is going on here? Wait, someone explain this to me.

>>158560947
Ye but like wasn't the other Ciel the one who told her he didn't want to marry a strong woman and ourCiel said he could never hate her? I'm sure she loved him, but most of her development is because of ourCiel and I'm guessing their relationship trumps whatever she had with the otherCiel at this point. I don't really see it ending well either way. Everyone's probably going to die or something.

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>>158561013
Something that has been foreshadowed since the beginning. Basically shy/weak twin taking the name of his supposedly dead twin then dead twin suddenly shows up and he's evil.

>>158561013
Go google up the 2 Ciels theory. It's a theory that Ciel had a twin who was the real Ciel, the older brother and heir to the Phantomhive house. There have been huge hints throughout the manga and the Nip fans have been on it for years but in the West because of shitty translations most fans were adamant it was bullshit until it became way too obvious even here. And now we had the big reveal.

>>158561086
So, if that's the case, then there's alot of continuity errors, but mostly, this is a clusterfuck. Wouldn't Sebastian know this shit but he showed no signs of it earlier?

>>158561080
He told her that when they were both 7 or 8 years old, come on. Doesn't mean he wouldn't come to love her. Honestly shipperfags like you not only piss me off but I find you pathetic. You have a major plot reveal, one the entire fandom has been waiting for years for and all you care about is the effect on your shitty retarded ship.

>>158559587
I only watched about half of the anime. The fuck is going on?

>>158561138
>continuity errors
No continuity errors just plenty of mistranslations. Like for instance the use of 'children' or 'nephews' translated into singular in English or the fact that our Ciel was never called by his first name by Tanaka, the butler, who knew him. Anyway, there is a blog (not tumblr) who summarized all the hints, go read it and you will see how it makes perfect sense.

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>>158561138
Sebastian told our!Ciel in the last chapter that he wouldn't lie about real!Ciel being dead. There's some Undertaker fuckery going on.

>>158561138
What continuity errors? Sebastian laughed when ourCiel said he was the Phantomhive Earl and called him a liar during that flashback in the Campania arc.

Who knows what Sebastian knows since Undertaker is probably involved and he always has the upper hand on him.

>>158561195
Real Ciel is most probably a very advanced model of the zombie dolls developed by Undertaker. Like that school director guy in the Harry Potter arc.

>>158561153
>>158561180
>>158561195
>>158561212
My mind feels assaulted at this point, who can I trust?

>>158561153
That's a lot of projecting you're doing there anon. You're the one who seems to care so much since you so desperately want to ship her with some evil twin she's had practically zero onscreen development/interaction with the entire series because you're probably a desperate shipper fujo yourself.

>>158561212
This. Honestly I'm drinking the tears from all the retards in the Western fandom who kept saying 'muh continuity errors' for years. Learn Nip or shut the fuck up about hints in a translated manga. Their current meltdown is delicious.

>>158561153
>>158561276
Calm the fuck down

>>158561265
Go read http://theofficialdoublecieltheorist.blogspot.com/

>>158561265
There is a reason twin Ciel theory has been around for years. Anyone who reads the manga could pick up on it. The anime not so much.

>>158561276
Joke's on you. I don't ship anyone in this manga since Madam Red and Vincent. Lizzie is a disgusting Mary Sue and Sebastian a complete non character and by far the most boring. Ciel deserves better than both.

>>158559587
Completely forgot this series exists.

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>>158559587
that is NOT ciel

pic is ciel

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Did you guys watch it?

is this the best plot twist ever

>>158561289
>trying to police the thread

Call someone a faggot or ignore it, no one cares about you.

>>158561317
>Madam Red and Vincent

Ironic since she deserved better than someone who chose a sickly boring woman over her.

That's nice that you hate Lizzie and Sebastian, but the audience was led to believe Lizzie was Ciel's fiancee for the entire manga up until now so you're going to have to deal with people talking about their romantic relationship and the effects this reveal will have on it since it is actually a plot point and not some fandom shipper thing.

>>158561355
Not yet, but it's my favorite arc.

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Anyone watched the movie? Couldn't go due to being busy. I heard the film aired in select theaters. How many males and females were there? Or ratio-wise?

>>158561397
Anyone who seriously ships cousins in an arranged marriage and when one half is going to be eaten by the devil sooner or later is a special brand of retarded shipper and I won't deal with their retardation.

>>158561355
Not yet, I liked the arc in manga for the story with Undertaker but that's when Yana decided to go 'muh stronk womyn' with Lizzie's character which I fucking hated and I fear the movie will focus a lot on that. So many writers who believe making a female character strong is enough to make her compelling when really in most cases it's just cringy.

>>158561475
I don't get the appeal of shipping 13 year old kids in general, but let's not pretend people don't love tragically doomed relationships.

>>158561475
>I won't deal
>I
>complaining about shipping cousins
>in a Nipponese mango
>where canonically no one sees anything wrong with it
>arranged marriage
>implying this was ever brought up as an issue and isn't just you grasping at straws

Go cry about it on your blog.

I agree people are probably going to die and it won't end well though, doesn't mean I can't care about the ship. I said that in my first post if you bothered to actually read instead of knee-jerk sperging like some triggered landwhale.

>>158561541
I could understand the tragically doomed part but not 'the promised by their parents since birth and pushed towards being together since they were toddlers' or the 'being cousins' parts. And yes; shipping 13 years old is not much better.

>>158561535
It makes sense for Lizzy to be strong since her entire family is supposed to be knights that protect England.

The only reason she played dumb was because evil twin Ciel said strong girls are scary.

Wew this is fucking wild

>>158561574
This post reeks of tumblr.

>>158559587
>>>/y/

>>158561535
Lizzie's family is strong though, her mother even shit on her dad which is when he fell inlove with her and they gave a good reason that was inline with her characterization why she was hiding it. You sound like you just don't like female characters being strong in general, since you single out women when male characters get retarded asspulls all the time and the medium is filled with powerlevel bullshit.

>>158561584
I don't care that it makes sense. I fucking hate that so often writers who can't be assed to write proper characters just give supernatural strength to their female characters and are like 'see how progressive I'm' and of course the tumblr crowd approves. Lizzie is an annoying little Mary Sue and she became 10 times more annoying when her 'secret' was unveiled. At this point the loli witch is a better character than her.

Yes, yes. MS when, I need this.

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>>158561475
I would've thought the retarded part is shipping a het couple in a gay as fuck series that revolves around a homo ship with loads of fanservice

>>158561633
>You sound like you just don't like female characters being strong in general, since you single out women when male characters
I don't because it's often an excuse not to properly develop them as characters. And Frances is even more annoying than her daughter.

>>158561652
>>158561677
We get it, you hate strong women characters. It's only okay when it's done with a male character fuck wymn and tumblr etc.

>>158561677
She did have proper development, you just don't like it. Most fujoshit just seem to hate her no matter what she does. At least Yana seems to like her a lot.

>>158561667
Both are equally unappealing and I really think that Yana either voluntarily or pushed by her editors toned down the shotacon because it's less and less visible these days.

>>158561667
Fujoshit pls go. There is barely any "fanservice" in the manga and Lizzie is pushed more as love interest for him than any fujobait scene with Sebastian. She was literally pushed as his fiancee. He doesn't even trust Sebastian. So romantic.

>>158561716
It really is just butthurt fujoshi most of the time. Yana loves Lizzie thankfully and she and the rest of the people she work with all seem to agree Sebastian is trash.

>>158561768
Not a butthurt fujo, I despise Lizzie and Sebastian equally but nice try.

Ciel/Loliwitch OTP.
Lizzie can go get fucked by her siscon brother.

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>>158561737
>There is barely any "fanservice" in the manga
Maybe if you have hetero goggles strapped on tight but even then, shit like this is beyond blatant.

I didn't say they were being pushed as an actual romantic couple, it's just blatant fujobait. It's ironic that you'd tell fujoshit to 'go' from a series that is aimed at them.

Why the fuck would you put such a huge spoiler in the OP? The chapter wasn't even released yet.
Quite a dickish move.

>>158561355
Last arc I read to the end. I think I got mid way through the boarding school arc.

>>158559587
Ciel/Elizabeth/Ciel MMF is coming soon, then.

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>>158562216

Sadly, like most manga with twins one them will die. Especially if it's a boy.

>>158562077
It's not aimed at fujoshit, but seeing as fujotrash like you will take any shitty scrap fanservice scene then maybe it is. Good job posting a scene from literally fucking forever ago by the way. Clinging to scraps as usual.

Hetfags are retarded confirmed.

>>158561787
No one was talking about you unless you are a butthurt fujo retard.

>>158562419
Fujoshit have zero standards confirmed. Go fap to your fanfics because it's never going to happen in canon. Not even a little bit.

>>158562419
There's nothing more retarded and clear sign you are some lonely landwhale than using the word het unironically

>>158562479
Yeah, the real woke people use "strowt"

Strowt privilege
Strowtphobia
Strowtmans

>>158562479
Blame the yoi threads. 100% tumblrtrash screeching about "hetfags" every time I see it on the front page. I wish they'd stay in their quarantine generals.

>>158562386

Havent seen that image in a long time

>>158562467
You sound kinda mad

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>>158562216
I'm sorry, I assumed everyone guessed the twist already.

>>158562559
I know, I was very happy I got a chance to use it.

>>158562662
It was obvious, but I didn't expect it to be revealed in this very chapter. You ruined my surprise. Baka

>>158562686
>I was very happy I got a chance to use it
What the fuck is wrong with your life?

>>158562731
Reusing old images is like a level 2 internet memery spell, anon, it just feels good if you're knee deep in webcraft.

>>158562775
Holy shit you talk like a neckbeard. Go outside please

>>158562802
I need to go outside to even access a computer, I don't know what you're talking about

Why do Western landwhales have to be so embarrassing and send illegally obtained spoilers to the mangaka 2 days before the official release, complaining about her making the 2 Ciels theory real.

>>158562942
They did what

good god

>>158559587
I was on /a/ a month ago.

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Does it mean this shit is finally reaching the end?

>>158563010
Yana Toboso had to delete some of her tweets and beg international fans to not send her any pics of the manga before the official release date. This is so fucking embarrassing. Then Western fags cry when Nips close all channels to get illegal content.

>>158563542
Nah, Kuroshitsuji was always about Ciel's revenge against the men who murdered his family and tortured him so the brother reveal is just one step towards that but I can see it be resolved (with the zombie brother being defeated and properly buried) and then the manga continuing for several years after that.

>>158559587
Damn, is it still ongoing?

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>>158562942
>expecting tumblr to have average IQ

>>158562942
This is the reason I want to go nuclear one day.

>>158562942
Same thing happened with Tokyo ghoul. Gaijins are retarded.

>>158564088
Pretty much. Except in TG fujos complained about two hets fucking and sent the author death threats and videos/photos of them burning/trashing their TG merch. Hopefully Yana doesn't experience the same thing.

>>158564389
Nah, this happened long before the Kaneki/Touka chapter

>>158564460
Yeah, but it turned much worser after that chapter.

>>158564389
>Hopefully Yana doesn't experience the same thing.
I'm not seeing the main character of this manga having sex with a girl anytime soon.

Right now I'm just waiting to see which series can blow fujos the most, this or Owari no Seraph. Two or three years from now might be the Fujodammerung

you can never kill fujo completely

>>158564775
Nowadays I barely see any fujos left in the Kuro fandom and most of them get bullied for being pedoshit and people either ship Ciel/Lizzie or don't ship at all so I can't imagine a meltdown over that pairing happening since it's already canon (they are fiances). What happened with Tokyo Ghoul is completely different.

>>158562942
Because the kuro western fandom is filled with retarded tumblrinas.

Those tumblr fucks are just as bad as the tumblr fucks that tried to blackmail multiple content creators like what happened with Voltron and TG whether you like those series or not.

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>>158561138
Sebastian knew.

>>158559587
Damn I should pick this up again.

i hate the evil twin trope, it was the same shit witht the vampire manga i think his name was Zero

Which SID song did like the most in the series?

>>158567340
Now that it's confirmed our Ciel is not the original, it's weird Baron Kelvin became obsessed with Ciel but guess didn't give a fuck about the other twin (our Ciel)?

Also puts into perspective Ciel's actions in the climax of that arc are so extreme because aside for his ptsd he is angered over his dead brother

Why did real Ciel kill the best boy?

>>158559587
Picked up again!
I think I stopped reading during the werewolf arc.

>>158568217
He was triggered that dirty poo in loo tried to touch him.
Can you really blame him? Indians are nasty.

>>158568025
Literally any given trope has been done before. You can go back to Ancient Greek dramas and find 90% of tropes still used nowadays in fiction. What is important and will set apart good and mediocre works is the execution.

>>158568025
We don't know if the real Ciel is evil yet, for all we know they will team up or something

>>158568782
>tried to kill Soma
No matter the motivation, he is evil in my book.

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>real ciel somehow gets his soul back
>Sebastian takes his soul instead of /our/ciel and lets him live and stays his butler for a few more decades

Happening.

>>158561567
>>insisting on calling girls retarded landwhales
>>Complays about a retarded kiddie ship in a manga where eveything revolves around two guys skinship relationship
lol i think you are projecting yourself into lizzie too much

>>158570059
>he doesn't projecting himself into a little girl
Where do you think you are?

>>158563807
Anon no, Boss wouldn't want that.

>>158561712
>>158561716
>otome fingerpussies going full knight mode
who is retarded again?

>>158561737
>fujoshit plz go.
>support of the 90% of kuroshitsuji market plz go.
don't you have a manga to pirate miss otomeshit?

>>158562409
>Read a series for fujo and he doesn't realize it
Lol

>>158564389
>HEY LET'S DISOHONESTLY SAY TUMBLR=FUJOS BECAUSE I HATE THEM zahaha.
you gross.period.

>>158570243
This reeks of malfags, they are the only ones who read fujoshit series without realizing.

>>158559587
>even Sebas is surprised

>>158564088
>>158564389
>Gaijin
It's like no one remembers Eva or Kannagi

is just so sad to see hetfags to hate fujos,as i am a hentaifan and fujo as well. But those cunts are so jeaoulous that fujos support the market with their money and buying merchadise that they will screech even thou they haven't probably spend even one cent on a series.
Fucking scumbag,tumblr sends death threats at fujos as well! you dipshits! just because they enjoy the content doesn't mean they are fujos ,just like of they enjoy otome doesn't mean it's otome fans, they send death threast for drawing characters with light skin for fuck sake! and also for cosplaying asian characters,dressing in a kimono and all the other autisti shit.
You dishonest assholes hopefully karma will shit on you.

>>158559587
Should I read the manga or watch the anime of this series?

>>158570149
Japan isn't particularly politicised in that respect.

You're thinking too far into things. Now calm the fuck down.

>>158570902
First season is okay until they went full original, second season is just shit. Just read the manga, anon.

>>158569119
realCiel is probably some kind of ultimate zombie by Undertaker, Sebastian already confirmed realCiel is dead.

>>158570936
nah i hope ciel sucks sebastian dick and gets humped

>talking shit about fujos.
fujo without a fucking spine:whatever lol i don't care about defending the community i consume works from :).
>talking shit about hetfaga.
hetfag with waifus and husbandos: you fucking landwhales whores! go back to tumblr ! everyone is straight here go read ur bl! *downloads pirated manga and eats cheetos*

>meanwhile sjws send threats for not making a character canon trans.

>>158571538
>Using SJW on /a/
>That posting style
Yep, malfags are here.

>>158570358
(You) need to go back

>>158571538
>>158570713
>>158571219
>>158570358
>>158570243
I can barely understand your sentences but seeing this, is this style of posting opposed especially by mods? Just looking at this decreases brain cells.

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>>158570713
>just because they enjoy something they really like doesn't mean they're a fan of it!

>>158572183
It's just one fujo who's letting off steam because subhumans like her get shitted on a lot. Though this one obviously has brain damage and most likely an underage as well.

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Can you blame fujos when the author is a fujo herself though? At least here, I give them a free pass

>>158571908
>>158572076
>>158572183
>muh shit reading
>>158572344
Fans and people who distancefully enjoy something are different anon.

>>158572344
Kuroshitsuji's Western fandom is probably the one where I've seen the most basket cases who should be locked up and not let roaming the internet or anime conventions. I don't know what about this manga attracts all the crazies. It's a pity because overall it's a nice manga with good art and decent plot. Thankfully the Nip side of the fandom is normal.

>>158572465
>subhuman
said that guy who is ironically fine about being an adult and browsing 4chan

>>158572628
Seems to me like she really put her fujo/shotacon past behind her as these days she only focuses on het, whether it's Lizzie or Sieglinde and Ciel. Of course she still heavily sexualizes Ciel especially in cover and art works but overall the shota is barely there compared to the early chapters.

>>158572641
Hey, it's not our fault that an underaged dumbass is lashing out by typing incoherent bullshit.

>>158572747
Not him but you have to go back.

>>158572673
too bad for you the nip fandom has more shotacon fujos that your "crazy gurlls hur dur" could take.

>>158572641
>>muh shit reading
More like

>muh shit grammar

>>158572747
So you agree that you're an underage faggot. You seriously need to crawl back to whatever shithole you came from since it's painfully obvious that you aren't from here.

>>158572826
I don't care about them being fujos or hetfags, I care about them being loony bin tier batshit insane specimens like you. I've yet to see one non crazy Western kurofag in 8 years of following the manga.

>>158572762
>but overall the shota is barely there compared to the early chapters
Right, those early days, remember the corset scene?

>>158572790
>we can make tones of threads saying the most shit things about fujos but fujos plz don't reply >:((.
so why are you getting so upset over my replies?

>>158572949
maybe they would't come off as so batshit insane to you if scumbuck didn't call her a bitch that has only fujofantasies and illusions about pairings.
Just a tip.
But you guys do you.

>>158573292
Don't straw-man me. It's not the idea that I don't like fujos, in fact, I don't care about their fetishes and fantasies. I just don't like idiots like you around. Moreover, I'm surprised that mods haven't banned your ass for putting emoticons.
>>:((.

>>158573702
>become an idiot the moment you stand up.
better than to walk on eggshells.

>>158573865
Stand up against what? The stupidity of essentially blackmailing and threatening content creators while not following common sense on social media? People like you who follow these kinds of acts. You're not calling out on anything, you're just being a fucking idiot that deserves to be shit upon. Oh, and another reminder, you can't attempt to call out on hypocrisy when you don't have any way to prove it. In other words, you have nothing to show for it, other than your idiocy.

>>158573865
> The moment you stand up
No, you became the idiot the moment you spewed incoherent bullshit. Again, straw-manning me once more.

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Did the idol arc hurt the manga so bad that Yana was forced to pull the plot twist in such a sudden fashion to salvage it? Feels...underwhelming, for something that's been teased for so many years

>>158574276
What ? where the did you draw this conclusion?
I never defended the threatening or blackmailing.
I just noted how we are apparently the punchbag everytime someone is irked about bl and pairings.

>>158574487
The idol arc was to satisfy the fujos one last time before things got serious and characters killed of.
Lao arc in China next I hope.

>>158575402
>lao arc
>last time for satisfy fujos
lol

>>158574834
See here >>158570713
You see, it was your own fault for being so incoherent here to the point where we literally can't distinguish you between the idiots who lack common sense and tumblr. And now you're complaining for fujos despite the fact we were in the mix of talking about people who threaten people. Moreover, you tell people to kill themselves proving the fact you people are just as worse and cancerous as the tumblr world. Hell, you were rambling about otome shit when we were never talking about it in the first place. You want to know the real reason we don't want you here?
1) You type like an idiot.
2) You are an idiot.
3) We don't want idiots here.
4) We couldn't care less about fujoshi and their fantasies, but the moment you try to shove fanfiction-tier fantasies right in our face, we pull the lever and shit on you.
So get your head out of your ass, and realize how fucking stupid you are. The more you shove cancer in our face, we lump you all as the same kind of cancer. And the cancer you shoved only made us see you the same way we see those who threaten content creators. Disgusting.
And guess what, I'm still waiting for you to get banned for this bullshit.
>>158571538
>>158573292
Emoticons are not allowed.

>>158576514
>i am incoherent
>thread costantly says fujos but now it's tumblr
>you tell people to kill themselves.
>never said anything like that whatsover
>wants me to get banned.

>>158577329
> incoherent
Stop describing yourself, it's redundant to repeat that fact more than once.
>now it's tumblr
We literally mentioned tumblr earlier before you even came, dipshit.
> anything like that whatsoever
Don't give me that, you said to feel bad for fujoshi and for us to get karma, and we all know what saying for karma to get to people on the internet really is.
> Wants you to get banned
You should get banned.

>>158561667
Why would anyone ship these two.

The demon is literally going to eat the child's soul, unless the author does something like what the anime did.

>>158579123
>The demon is literally going to eat the child's soul
you really think shippers care?

>like what the anime did.
that would be a shitty end

>>158562942
I bet most of those people complaining don't even buy her manga, yet still have the gall to complain to her face. They're a fucking embarrassment but I can't help but wonder why authors put themselves in a position to interact with fans in the first place. They will always behave like entitled dumbasses and nothing good can come of it.

>>158579340
>that would be a shitty end
It's either Sebastian getting BTFOd, Ciel getting his soul taken, or anime original-type ooga booga. With first two being a bit of a lackluster, I'm interested to see what Yana could pull.

>>158579123
He could kill himself around one of the Shinigami.

>>158568782
He killed Agni and tried to kill Souma and carved creepy shit onto the wall. He's pretty evil.

>>158579546
it can also go for a tragic ending, ourCiel also losing his soul. Unless Yana can do a convicing winning situation for him, I think this is the most pausible.

>>158579123

That's what it make it hot.

>>158562942
Screen shots?

>>158570059
>>158570243
>>158570358
>>158570713
Jesus christ. Learn English first if you want to communicate, you retarded fujoshit.

>>158570902
Just read the manga first. In the 1st season only like 5 episodes are canon. The 2nd season is completely anime original. 3rd season and the murder ova's are canon though.

>>158572628
She was but it's not nearly as evident in the manga anymore. Ever since Sieglinde there is more loli fanservice than anything else. She also seems to like Lizzy too much to be a fujoshit.

>>158579123
You'd think the chapter of Sebastian almost eating Ciel because he found him pathetic and a waste of time would stop people shipping them once and for all.

>>158579556
Meh.

I guess? Ciel wouldn't do that unless forced too.

>>158563542
Hopefully.

It's a subpar manga.

>>158581806
The one piece thread is over that way.

>>158561461
I went 2 days ago and it was mostly girls

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Why are you even shipping Ciel with anyone? He's not going to get anything but a tragic death in the end.

>>158583286
Tragic ships are the best ships, anon. Some people like to suffer.

>>158583286
I mean when you think about it we all die meaning less deaths.

I went to check out Tumblr because I honestly didn't believe there would be a shitstorm over this yet lo and behold, I was wrong. These people are definitely mentally deficient. Some of the comments I'm reading are past the point of being dramatic and edging into hysterical. I don't see why this is such an awful plot twist but based on what I'm seeing, it looks like Western fans are sending the mangaka angry tweets which is beyond ridiculous.

Why are low level Western anime fans so insufferable?

>>158584413
>Bullying Yana
These people need to be gassed

>>158574487
Good point but I think it's overdue time to move the main plot. How long ago was the ship wreck arc?

What's the point of this again?

fujo won

Lewd witch loli was the best character of the series.

>>158559587
WEWWWW

>>158560185
>>158559587
So this is actually a girl right?

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Not a Fujo, but if the real Ciel treats Lizzie anything like he did when they were younger then I'd rather have Lizzie end up with him than fake Ciel.

>>158593314
He won't treat her the same because Real!Ciel is going to be evil now. Plus, he's basically a walking corpse.

>fujo getting BTFO hard ITT
Stop. I can only get so erect.

>>158559587
I can't believe it's actually happening. Five long years of waiting and everyone thought we were looking too deep.

>>158560924
Im smiling because it's confirmed but now no more of those fun two ciel theories to read anymore

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>>158593695
Yeah, I know you're probably right anon but I don't get why would he hate Lizzie now? She didn't do anything that would anger him, especially now that she's on his side.

Does his hatred for fake Ciel extend so far that he would use her just to hurt him?

>>158579123
Fujoshit don't operate on logic and have zero taste. You should know that by now.

>>158594241
Lizzie is obviously going to struggle choosing between them and is either going to choose fakeCiel or not be able to choose and realCiel will hurt her for it or some shit. This plot writes itself at this point.

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>>158594345
She seems dead set on stay by real Ciel's side right now though? So something must happen in order for her to change her mind— probably discovering the death of Agni?

>>158578359
i am pointing out how retarded the fact that you think i am incoherent is when you didn't explain shit.
lol you kept saying fujo here and fujo there but yeah no you were talking about tumblr.
Karma doesn't mean dying you idiot.

I stopped at the end of the Green Witch arc. Kinda liked it. Why we have two Ciel now? I'm a bit lost here.

why are people here so fucking shitty? telling people to leave over dumb shit like this.

Holy shit a black butler thread that has over 100 posts

>>158580002
she is a fujo,you can be a fujo and like female characters as well you know?

>>158594989
> i am incoherent is when you didn't explain shit.
Ha! I don't need to explain shit. You're showing that all on your own.
> lol
Get out.
> fujo here and fujo there but yeah no you were talking about tumblr.
You are all just as bad and cancerous. Just like in this thread at this point. And guess what, you guys often do it, and we'll lump you in as the same category. You and your delusions at this point where you shove them in our face and your retarded rambling makes us want to shun you.
>Karma doesn't mean dying you idiot.
Wanting others to get the full extent of retribution is just as bad. You want something bad to happen who don't like you for good reasons. That is just as bad and disgusting for a person like you.
At this point, idiots like you deserve to be ridiculed.

>>158595425
Probably because we hate idiots, and idiots like you who don't lurk harder before coming to 4chan. Get out of here, newfag. Also, we know it's you.

>>158595562
you and this gatekeeping bullshit obsession with how I write is pathetic.
You didn't explain anything because all you did was trying to humiliate me for talking shit back at you.So if we are so cancerous how is that only when tumblr became a thing,things like fandom shit became so severe?
You simply ride the bandwagon of
"fujoss are shit aha" because no one ever tries to defend themselfs or say nothing back at you.
I am a singular case here and look how agitated you got.

Karma means catching the same shit you have gave to others,so if that's the case if you didn't do nothing shitty you are cool.I don't even care about you talking shit about me,I could simply ignore it,but I care about the community that creates things for me.

>>158595766
> gatekeeping bullshit obsession with how I write is pathetic.
Oh really, you kinda made it too fucking obvious. It's your fault for being rather illiterate.
> You didn't explain anything because all you did was trying to humiliate me for talking shit back at you
You don't need me to humiliate you, you're doing that yourself.
> So if we are so cancerous how is that only when tumblr became a thing,things like fandom shit became so severe?
You wanna know what happened to the fujo side of the Tokyo Ghoul fandom? Guess what, it wasn't pretty either.
>You simply ride the bandwagon of
"fujoss are shit aha" because no one ever tries to defend themselfs or say nothing back at you.
No, I'm not, I'm just merely telling how public view works and the more you attempt to act idiotic or just cancerous, people see you as no different from one another.
>Karma means catching the same shit you have gave to others,so if that's the case if you didn't do nothing shitty you are cool.I don't even care about you talking shit about me,I could simply ignore it,but I care about the community that creates things for me.
The same community that gives fetish fantasies geared towards women and how they often show it off? The same people where it often occurs where it is often illogical or just annoying to see and frequent where we are? Think about it, and we're not impressed.
You want to know why we often don't like fujos? Go watch a cartoon that has been going on for years and has 2 video games and even made an episode on fujoshi. The amount of negative feelings towards such a thing are geared towards the cancer that comes with strange ass shipping just for the sake of it so alot of people will get annoyed.

>>158595766
Not him but you're getting agitated on being called a fujoshit as well and you started typing a lot of incoherent bullshit. You bring up the otome topic when no one's even talking about it. People here won't hesitate to tell you how much retarded you sound or look like.

>I could simply ignore it,but I care about the community that creates things for me
Yes and that's why you should leave and go back to your hugbox. Go back to your community and continue circlejerking there. It's becoming even more obvious that you aren't from here.

>>158594699
I think I briefly forgot about the twin Ciel theory here and wrote this off as a dream sequence.

>>158596146
>You wanna know what happened to the fujo side of the Tokyo Ghoul fandom
Funny thing is it happened in Seikaisuru Kado fandom as well just recently. I remember how much people praised it and called it AOTS. And when the new episode dropped and it had a female character kissing the male MC, people became devastated and are suddenly shitflinging at each other.

>>158596408
Fujoshits are so fucking retarded.

>>158595766
>how is that only when tumblr became a thing,things like fandom shit became so severe?
It was severe before thumblr with all the blogspaces that existed before it.
The only thing that changed is the scale, but that's a general trend with internet - it gets bigger and bigger and things get more pronounced.

>>158596146
>you are illiterate for making a bunch of errors.
So what you are saying is that is humiliating to stand up ?
>tokyo ghoul tumblr side,fujos=/=tumblr
Fujos that can get upset all they want by shit writing,that doesn't mean they do tumblr tier things like what happened in the steven universe fandom.
The pattern is clearly from tumblr so sidetracking it to fujos is dishonest. Especially when fujos get death threats as well by them but you wouldn't care about that.
>>158596187
I talked about about otome becausw it's het,so it's usually hetfans that hate fujos.
So this is not a circlejerk here? I would defend any type of fan that gets treated unfairly
>>158596408
Being upset at shippers is a thing,I am annoyed at some shippers as well,but you would be just as upset if the male mc suddenly kissed another male companion.
>>158596553
Yeah but before it was about tiny communities that had fun and didn't fight all the time.

the only good ciel ship was cielxdoll and he got her killed years ago so whats the point?

>>158596985
I'm not the one side-tracking it to fujos, you did. Stop bullshitting. I just told you why we often don't like fujoshi and now you're calling me dishonest.
> going on about otome
Then don't talk about it, we never mentioned otome stuff, you did and you caused further fucking confusion with you and your retard English.
> This is not a circlejerk here?
No, it is a common fucking agreement that we hate idiots as well as fucking morons that lack common sense in the internet especially in the western fanbase. And that applies to anyone with fucking common sense or in the reasonable world.
> Going on with social justice crap by wanting to defend against injustice against fans
I feel like laughing at you, it ain't injustice, it's called laughing and shitting on idiots. And that is well-deserved on anyone, especially you.
> I would be upset over homo-crap hamfisted in front of me
I'd be angry of the fact if it came from nowhere or just nothing just because. But I wouldn't throw a tantrum over it, especially against authors by threatening or blackmailing them. Or lack common sense by doing stupid tweets. That's why we shit on idiots. And those kinds of idiots are started to spill over in this place, like you.

>>158597994
>>158596985
*idiots that are equally as bad have started to spill over in this place.

>kuro being anything except shota fujo
Holy shit the closet gays are on the rise.

>>158596985
> So what you are saying is that is humiliating to stand up ?
You illiterate goldfish, you realize how full of shit you are? Stand up? Ha! You have no self-reflection whatsoever. You haven't even bothered reading your own posts and you think it's humiliating to stand up. No, you are humiliating yourself by looking like an idiot, not for standing up.
> Saying only the tumblr did it
No, Fujos also were in on it. Don't fucking deny it. They started bullshitting when they considered the ship homophobic, essentially smearing the series.

>>158598454
Obligatory reply

A long time ago when I first came across this manga, I liked the art but disliked how it was so male-dominated and in fact seemed to pair up all the guys. I didn't even know what yaoi was back then but thought it was a shame when the author can draw really cute girls like Madame Red and Lizzy and the chink girl etc.

I still hate most of the male characters in this mango because they're obnoxious as fuck but Ciel is cute enough to get away with his shit and him being voiced by Maaya Sakamoto makes me diamonds, I'd be homo for Sebastian too

What the fuck changed? Did I become gay from reading manga

>>158584413
What was their rationale for all the foreshadowing up until this point? Why did they think Soma punched Ciel when he saw his face despite that being wildly out of character for him in any other circumstance?

>>158593314
It doesn't matter which Ciel, Lizzy would be miserable because they are both insufferably arrogant brats that are destined to die horribly.

>>158595541
I know and she has done yaoi in the past but in this manga the only relevant romance is between Ciel and Lizzy. People are unfairly writing this manga as fujoshit and it's pretty unfair to her since she is obviously trying to do more than that.

>>158593314
Is that Ciel wearing a skirt?

>>158599729
Pretty sure you can have manga with fujo content,anon.Het is not required for a manga to be good.

>>158599729
>ciel and lizzy are relevant romance and not just noble predecided engagement.

>>158562409
>It's not aimed at fujoshit
I know some hentai artists have gone straight with publishing non-h manga but Kuroshitsuji is published in the fujo magazine Zero Sum and Yana was only known before this for making shotacon manga.

I have a feeling there's going to be a ranting tumblr post about this thread in a couple hours.

>>158600131
Plus every girl in this manga is basically a fujo/fangirl archetype? lizzy with her obsession with cuteness is the "omg so cute" fangirl,
the witch is the kinky interested "mueheh" kind of,then the mey is the goofy one.
I mean for girls is pretty obvious to see themselfs as those.

>>158559587
>>158560185
Think of all the smut we could get from this
>>158560718
Being killed and coming back to life does things to you

>>158600322
is tumblr going on something again? I remember last time I was there seeing some people sending gross anon asks and posts to this suicidal pregnant chick because she shipped ereri.

Why do people care so much about what Reddit, Tumblr and Co. think about this or that lately? It was like this when Bleach ended too.

>hahaha look at those tards on Tumblr maaaan, let's save screencaps of their autistic sperging and make a collection on Imgur

all the people in tumblr are acting like a bunch of pussys because they dont like that this is cannon, i feel like they only want nonsensical plot lines and hot guys.

>>158584413
Western kurofags are insane. Like, really cuckoo level crazy. I've never seen such a high concentration of clinically mad people in one fandom. That's why I just enjoy the manga on my own or check the Nip side.

>>158601036
canon*

>>158599729
>romance
>marriage arrangement since birth of cousins as has been done for centuries among the nobility around the world
Nice romance you got there. Truth is there is no romance or fujoshit in Kuro because it was never about that but retarded shipperfags need to ruin everything with their delusions. I hope Ciel is discovered to be a girl just to piss off retarded Lizziefags like you.

>>158601492
Western fans call sebaciel shippers pedos apolgetics so that tells you what kind of people they are.
Westerns are insane selfcentered about everything,the recent years should be proof of that.

>>158601492
This.

>>158598283
It's hilarious , It's like those guys who watched KKMaoh and complained about homo shipping back then.

>>158559587
kek, Sebastian's face

why would he care?

>>158602708
>"Didn't I eat that kids soul?"

>>158602708
He saw someone he personally knew was dead and probably ate the soul of alive and talking

>>158579123
Demon x angel is clearly the superior ship

First Tokyo Ghoul and then Seikaisuru Kado. What's next? This or Owari no Seraph?

>>158601575
This. The series is better off without any romance but there are people who'd always ruin it with their retarded shipping. Lizzy is better off with someone else because it's not like fake Ciel is going to live for a long time anyway, unless some asspull happens like in the anime.

>>158603008
>>158603987
Actually I always found it weird that people interpreted the 'the price has already been paid' line as meaning Sebastian ate the brother's soul because really that would be unfair as it would mean that basically for his bargain with Ciel he would get to eat 2 souls and not just the one of the boy he made the contract with.
So personally I always saw it as meaning that by having his brother sacrificed for him, the price in blood was paid. It would also mean that real Ciel may be more than a bizarre zombie doll. If for instance Undertaker arrived before the shinigami and managed to retrieve both his body and his soul at that time.

>>158601575
This desu. Lizziefags are as cancerous as fujos, it's like they think Lizzy and Ciel's relationship is the most important and relevant one in the whole manga.

Lizzy went from meh to a good character just to be ruined by her fags.

>>158605570
>Lizziefags are as cancerous as fujos
Why some Lizziefags are indeed cancerous, I don't think there will be as terrible as those fujos who send the author death threats and hate mails when their ship gets BTFO.

>>158605517
>If for instance Undertaker arrived before the shinigami and managed to retrieve both his body and his soul at that time.
Yeah, it's pretty obvious that Undertaker has something to do with this shit.

>>158605817
the fujos were tumblr people anon,they would send death threats to other fujos as well. enough with this.

>>158594699
>So something must happen in order for her to change her mind— probably discovering the death of Agni?
Probably when Real!Ciel has a change of personality now that he's revived. It's possible that Real!Ciel would go as far as to torture Fake!Ciel after what Fake!Ciel has done to him and Lizzy wouldn't want that for sure.

>>158607042
From what I've seen translated of the chapter Real Ciel is actually going full protective big brother on our Ciel so I'm really wondering how everything will play out.

>>158607488
>Real Ciel is actually going full protective big brother on our Ciel so I'm really wondering how everything will play out
Probably just an act to lure him. The previous chapter actually said

>Who stole the candy in my tummy?
or something along with those lines and he also attempted to kill Soma who's one of Ciel's friends. He's here for revenge.

Except for people being retarded and sending the author and nips leaked pics, what's the problem? shouldn't fujos love this development?

Even though it looks like the real Ciel has been revived, he is probably going to be different from how he used to be. There is the possibility that he is just a more convincing fake (a bizarre doll?). Sebastian did seem to confirm that the real Ciel died last chapter.

Lizzy is probably still conflicted as there might be something off about the Ciel she is with too. At this point she doesn't really know who's side she is on or who is telling the truth or whatever. She was hurt by fake Ciel's lies but, I don't think she really wants to be hostile towards him.

>>158605063
>What's next? Owari no Seraph
No. There will never be any hetshit there.

>>158605063
The butthurt right now in the Western kuro fandom has nothing to do with shipping shit though so why compare it to Tokyo Ghoul retardation. The only reason dumblr is mad right now when it comes to the 2 Ciels is because these landwhales relied on mistranslations for years for their headcanons despite plenty of people explaining them for years that these were mistranslations and now it got confirmed so they have no where to hide and so they lash out.

Does the Kuro fandom love to hate each other? Or is this just a vocal minority?
Well I guess fandoms by definition are filled with fanatics so this might be just as expected.

>>158608638
the development wasn't liked by normal kuro fans,actually.

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>tfw twin Ciel theory not only confirmed
>But realCiel came back as a delicious yandere

Go read https://ddreamzone.wordpress.com/2017/04/22/the-two-ciel-theory-masterpost-kuroshitsuji/

>>158611915
Pretty much.

Most of the fandom ships Ciel and Liz