>Moments when MC completely BTFO of betafags.

>>158405092
new harem member(s)

>>158405092
how about a thread where the author btfo out of editor san and his corporate masters?

>>158405092
wtf is this terribly written shit

>>158405340
>isekai
>terribly written shit
hard to separate these two

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>>158405092
>says that while he snapped an innocent boys neck
>nothin personnel

Get that garbage out of here, time for some real isekai.

>>158405399
My God he does that wink face in every panel. This is literally the most garbage manga I've ever read.

>>158405399
>he goes out to fuck some random elves while he has the best elf breeding material in front of him

Dragon? More like Fagdron

>>158405463
try deathmarch

>>158405554
That guy is literally swimming in both tits and lolis, and he went to a brother.
Fucking faggots.

>>158405399
That's the one with the dragon and slimes right?

>>158405642
yes
it started nicely and turned into shit pretty quick

>>158405092
That's dodging the question if I ever saw it
>How do you kill so easily, you seem so detached
>So I'm not supposed to defend myself anymore? Checkmate atheists

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>>158405753
westerners write better
japanese draw better

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>>158405915
>Japanese draw better
>posts Michael fucking Whelan
anon pls

>>158405092
See, the logic for him being able to defend himself with deadly force is sound. But the fact that he had no reaction or remorse to killing all those people, including innocent doctors, is either really poor character writing or the MC is a complete psycopath.

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>>158405915
>westerners write better

>>158405991
>MC is a complete psycopath.
Gee, it's almost like that's a rare trait.

>>158406005
Yeah, but it's mostly because shut-in fanfiction writers can't write human interaction worth a damn.

>>158405452
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Now that I think about it, isn't Shut Hell isekai of sorts? I haven't read a lot of it though.

>>158406101
yes also gender bender
It was good but I lost interest a few chapters ago

>>158405992
Compare a western trash fantasy title to the average LN. Sure, both are garbage, but the western one will be comparatively better written.

>>158405991
NO. it's a effect of his training and the hability to be able to make decisions and stick with it.
I don't want a whinny MC unable to put a step forward by himself because he is tied down by conventions that are useless and will drag him down since it's an entire new world

>>158405992
Westerners write FANTASY better. And they 100% write Isekai better.

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>>158406184
>but the western one will be comparatively better written.

Have you even read one yet aside from Harry Porters and Chicken Soup garbage?

>>158406203
>NO. it's a effect of his training
My ass. he'd never killed anyone, training the way he did explains his skills and his split-second decision to defend himself with deadly force, it in no way explains how a young teen from peaceful japan had less of a reaction to gruesomely murdering a dozen people than even season war vets might have.

>>158406235
Dude I love trash fantasy. Just finished Kings Dark Tidings. It's hilariously bad. But still slightly better written than the average VN. The harem is only TWO women.

>>158405092
finally an mc I can like

>Guy kills 12 people with his bare hands
>Gets flustered and timid when 2 beautiful maidens get naked near him

>>158406101
It's more of a historical drama than an isekai, and the time-warping bullshit is only a third of the series or something.

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>>158406235
dumb frogposter

>>158406329
>The harem is only TWO women.
intelligent anonymous contributor

>>158405092
>somehow is strong enough and skilled enough to kill armed and armored veteran soldiers with his bare fucking hands at the age of 16 (sixteen)
>even a fucking veteran magic user

Would it have killed the author to make the did 30?

>>158406580
Yes. Having a non-school-aged protagonist in your manga literally shaves your life away in japan.

>>158406580
The demographic is children, effectively.

Think of it like a lewder version of YA fiction

>>158406580
it would be like disney making a serious star wars movie for adults

>>158406702
Wortenia Senki. It's pretty okay so far. It's stupid he had no reaction to murdering people, but once he's out and past that it's no longer an issue.

>>158405399
>innocent
He was dead anyway. Breaking his neck was the nicest way of doing it.

>>158406702
wortenia senki

>>158406517
i keep seeing this image and google keeps failing me.

>>158406702
>>158406744
>>158406759
The WN translation is slowly pulling ahead. Read the manga to solidify an image then read the novel.

>>158405399

Isn't the "killing innocent doctor" only a mango thing?

>>158406877
No, he kills him too in the novel too. It's a bit better explained, or at least expanded upon. Ryouma consider him the ally of an enemy, if not outright a subordinate. Unfortunately for the doc, he's seen Ryouma's face and he's planning on using the fact that no one knows it to escape easy recognition.

>>158406744
>>158406759
thank you

>>158406941
fucking murderous piece of japanese shit, I hope he takes an arrow in the knee soon

>>158406991
Meme yourself to death.

>>158406991
Spoken like a man who would've gotten that sweet, sweet slave collar on with a smile.

>>158406941

People complain about him on /a/ but can't really blame him he got surprise summoned and first thing that happens to him in isekai land was some dude tried to screw him for life. I wouldn't wrong him to think that everyone in that place was potentially a menace just like the grand wizard dude.

And from what's been tld up till now from the WN, seems like people in that world are just as ruthless as he was.

>>158406731
Are you implying the original star wars was serious and meant entirely for adults?

>>158407237
I complain about it a lot, but only the fact that he had no reaction at all to killing them. That's just not something remotely sane people do, so it comes off as bad characterization. He was certainly justified in killing his way out.

>>158407240
Uh, he obviously isn't. Please learn to read.

>>158407240
of course not, but there was still a chance of having a serious adult oriented movie
Now that disney owns the rights there is none

>>158407237
I'm fine with the decision, it was rational and the best way to optimize his continued survival. I'm laughing at the fact that a fucking 16 year old completely manhandled armed veterans despite being outnumbered and unarmed. And then the 16 year old calmly contemplated taking the life of the doctor because the doctor saw his face. Then after premeditating it, went through with it. He's completely blase about murder and showed no real reaction to anything he had to do despite being 16 fucking years old.

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>>158407409
childhood trauma

>>158407488
Don't make headcanon excuses for the author, it's his place to make them, nor yours.

>>158407310
No no, he's actually incredibly sane. That's where people balk. He does the most logical thing possible without batting an eye; this tell of personal moral system which is black and white and ruthlessly developed.

In short, Ryouma is just really swole.

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>>158407409
>Implying hes a bad person

Don't be stupid. Look, they say so right in this page.

>>158405399
How can someone draw so good yet so bad like this dude? Worst garbage I have ever seen.

>>158407310

He does seem somewhat fucked up but not completely as he doesn't just go killing people left and right for no reason, his only oddity is that when he needs to kil he doesn't even bat an eye to it.

>>158407553
I'm not even saying he's a bad person, he's just mentally and emotionally broken on a fundamental level. Obviously he's can be a decent member of society as witnessed by his "I am an average jap male in everything but my martial skill and build" backstory.

>>158407529
>No no, he's actually incredibly sane.
No anon, being ruthlessly logical about murder at age 16 isn't sane. Killing people has an effect on sane people. It's not normal. You react to it, it changes you. He didn't bat an eye, not before nor immediately after. It's not normal.
>>158407593
I agree, I think the author took a misstep when he failed to have him react in any way to the first people he killed. But that's over and done, any further killings should not be as big a deal so I can forgive that bit of poor characterization.

>>158406285
Lol , he and his gran father were trying to kill each other for hours every morning...

if you don't think it matterred , then it's your problem

>>158407666
"trying to kill" and "actually killing" are 2 different things. Training to "try to kill" can prepare you for when you have to kill someone. It can't prepare you for actually killing someone.

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>>158405092
Pretty much happens every chapter.

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>>158405992

>>158406771
Wortenia Senki anon.

>>158407529
>>158407642
>Incredibly sane

Am I the only one seeing the joke here? You can't be incredibly sane. If you take what makes you sane and dial it up to incredible levels, you're insane.

which chapter does he kill the doc?

>>158407776
I don't think logical and sane are the same thing, is all.

>>158407782
Second.

>>158405092
Please, faggot then probably goes to act like a beta retard later on

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>>158407698
The aptitude and mentality required to be able to pull even not-quite-murder and outright murder is still close.

At no point is anyone disputing the fact that Ryouma is ordinary. He's the antithesis of the modern Jap teenager in many ways. Like in war, some people break after having killed one man and come back home broken. Others kill without a twitch and often reintegrate into peaceful society without any issue.

>>158407776
Incredible as extraordinary, not as a measure of power. He's sane, incredibly so, despite all the signs to the contrary.

What if he's a super secret ninja
Or just has a few screws loose and a broken moral compass

>>158407854
Well he lets some characters live in that chapter he really should have killed.

>>158407808
Yes, and I agree. However our MC in the early stages of his escape doesn't act like a sane person would, even a sane soldier wouldn't react that way. He is extremely cold, pragmatic and logical, which is cool, if a bit overdone Isekai-wise. He is efficient, he is logical, but at least at that moment, he isn't sane.

>>158406329
Try Mistborn

>>158407883
They might as well chalk his ability up to special ninja powers. I mean the author already justified the young kid killing all the soldiers around him with his bare hands by talking about his superior nihon martial arts (folded 1000000000000000000 times). There's no real difference between the two in terms of realism.

>>158407854
He goes crybaby mode for a little while when he learns that he can't return to earth.
Too bad the author didn't use this occasion to get the sisters to comfort him out of it.
>>158407918
If insanity is an indicator of incapacity to escape a dire situation, then yes. He stopped, thought about it and decided he needed to go all out on his escape.

Any sane person would've been captured. I'd drop an identical story where a 'sane' MC makes it out of the castle if that meant I was supposed to accept this would-be retard MC could dumb his way out of trouble.

>>158407918 >>158407856

Honestly I don't think half a page of him showing some kind of viseral reaction to having killed a dozen people would have made him any less cool, and would have gone a long way to making him seem better written. As it is, we just have to accept Ryoma is a well-adjusted psychopath, which is kind of shitty since no one really draws attention to it ever, they focus on the fact that he was able to kill in self defense instead.

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>>158407835
I thought he survived somehow

>>158407808
>Having or showing reason
???

>>158407998
That's manga-speak. In the novel, he does pause and mull about it. He reflect on his actions for a good while after it happened... and found no fault in his judgement. If anything, this was the point that showed he was a bit unhinged. Though, I don't disagree with him in any way either.

>>158408023
It was later said he was found dead by the soldiers

>>158408050
That seems a lot better. His judgement wasn't wrong.

Wortenia's MC is basically Sasuke from Full Metal Panic.

You can't unsee it now.

>>158408079
Sure, it's just that Sosuke was an actual child soldier, wasn't he?

The dude was in a situation where he had to kill to get out of there, or end up being killed, literally no time for moping or reflections and anyone would act similarly assuming they had the guts to kill in the first place.

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Didn't they say that they summoned him because summoned people can level up? How come the guild girl knows about it and explains it to him? Does she know he's a summoned person? Or am I misunderstanding something here?

>>158407996
To define sanity is slightly difficult, it is easier to define insanity. When you see someone you have empathy with willingly do a choice utterly alien to you, you consider them insane almost as a gut check. Insanity in a sense is the inability to function like a "normal" human. Showing empathy, having feelings, discerning reality from what isn't, etc... But what a "normal" human is or should be has changed over time, and depending on the cultures.

But basically yes, reacting to a surreal impossible situation without the slightest bit of irrationality, of emotion is utterly insane.

>>158408106
Yeah, and somehow managed to become a decent human being with the help of a regular highschool girl and her reluctant friends.

>>158408111
>literally no time for moping or reflections
Wrong, he had plenty of time after chapter 2.

>>158407957
> Mistborn
That isn't isekai though. Also the first trilogy was paced so god damn slow it put me off the entire series. It should have been only one book rather than three.

>>158408160
Iirc anybody can absorb, sumoned people just absorb really well. So instead of killing 10.000 people to reach lvl1, he'd only need to kill 100.

>>158405092
What the fuck is this thread?
It feels like this has been posted many times before.
Even the first few replies.

>>158408199
Adrenaline gone, deed is done, no point crying over spilled milk.

>>158408175
>But basically yes, reacting to a surreal impossible situation without the slightest bit of irrationality, of emotion is utterly insane.
No. It's very sane. Literally the definition of sane. But it's also sociopathic.

>>158405399
The minute he was given a human form it's instant garbage. Stop reading this garbage.

>>158408269
Where the fuck do you think you are? Did you miss the seminar when we all connected to form the /a/ hivemind or something?

>>158408270
>Adrenaline gone
That's exactly why it's the right time to react and and reflect, you automaton. No one's asking him to break down crying in the middle of his life or death situation.

>>158408285
>>158408285
>not reading it for the cute elf and Disney tier villains

>>158408280
That's a contradiction. Sociopaths are insane.

>>158405092
> OP MC
> Battle mage nubile slaves
> Edgy killing

It's an awfully written series but I bet it's popular. Shit literally sells.

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>>158405452
That's what happens when shut-in misanthropes try to portray human beings acting and reacting.

>>158407553
good thing I say sorry and thank you when I murder and rob someone

>>158408308
Nah, you're just a whiny bitch which expects everyone MC to be normal from the onset.

>>158408406
Tropes don't make a series awful, just how it handles them. So far WS is alright.

>>158408280
Sane has a number of definitions, some of them contradictory.

Sane: to be in the capacity to fully use one's reasoning ability.

By this definition, he is completely and utterly sane, no questions asked.

Sane: To be free of any mental disorders or disability.

Sociopathy: [tldr; a mental disorder]

By this definition, due to being sociopathic, our MC isn't sane.

Which is why I was working with the concept of "sanity" (the ability to think and behave in a normal, reasonable and rational manner) where he disqualifies at reacting "normally" (as in like most humans would) to an "insane" situation (ie: freaking out) by reacting to an insane situation like it were perfectly normal, which is one of the signs of insanity.

>>158407996

>Too bad the author didn't use this occasion to get the sisters to comfort him out of it.

But they did, or hugging Isn't enough for you?

>>158408445
So you agree he reacts like a psycopath despite neither characters nor story acknowledging he is? Thanks for admitting I'm right, anon, even if the insult was necessary.

>>158408517
No, it's not enough.
Author somehow got the gist of the complete opposite of the modern Jap man, but forgot to give him a penis in the process. It's so specific that it's almost Greek.

>>158408461
Meh, the art carries it. Also while tropes don't make a work awful, no piece of work is an isolated island. So even if it handles said tropes decently enough, the fact that these tropes are decried as being sucky due to a lot of works failing to present them intellectually appealing lowers the overall quality of the work.

For example, the moment he gets the slave to dine at his table: It's not a bad scene, but for the love of all that is holy I could swear I've seen it verbatim at least a dozen times. And THAT sucks.

>>158408521
HE WAS NEVER PORTRAYED AS A NORMAL PERSON FROM THE START, BEFORE HE EVEN GOT ISEKAI'D WHAT KIND OF ABNORMALITY WAS QUICKLY SHOWN TO THE READER AND BEING COLDSTEEL ISN'T ALL THAT FUCKING WEIRD COMPARED TO MUCH WEIRDER SHIT

Yes he's a psycho

>>158408521
Well, technically the story acknowledges it by showing a "normal" highschooler reacting normally by freaking out. Where it's sucky is that there is no counter to the MC's logic or viewpoint, he is shown to be "right" to be excessively sociopathic.

>>158408594
He showed concern about murdering people before getting isekaid, which I'd say is pretty normal, and his sister/girlfriend sure didn't seem to act like he was a psycho.

Checkmate, atheists.

>>158408594
The fuck's up with the all caps anon? But yeah, sure, he was never sane. What does it matter? Where is the argument here?

Will we ever be free of the Isekai menace?

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>>158408569
can't be helped.

>>158407698
>"trying to kill" and "actually killing" are 2 different things.
Soldiers train for years without actually killing anyone but only some soldiers get depressed after their first kill in a war. It's all about the mental preparedness they have to be able to kill when they need to. It's obvious with MC's training with his grandfather that he's pretty prepared to kill when the time comes since their training is always a death match.

>>158405092
>lives in a peaceful era
>somehow authors keep forgetting about ISIS, ISIL, Syria, Iran, China, Africa, Mexico, Israel and how much of a threat they are to the rest of the world

Do authors really live in their safe spaces that much?

>>158408610
I can't say there was anything wrong with his logic. He was kidnapped, taken to a different world and almost enslaved. He fought to defend himself.

>>158408775
Soldiers don't generally take their first kill by murdering a dozen people, including innocent teens, with their bare hands. They point a gun and shoot from a distance. It's pretty unbelievable he wouldn't react in any way to such a gruesome killing.

>>158408826
>in japan in japan in japan
Japan doesn't actually take in middle eastern immigrants anon.

>>158408923
It is disingenuous to be saying that the world is peaceful. Also Japan is one of the most ethnocentric nations in the world so of course they don't want to deal with the problems western nations are facing at the moment.

>>158408860
The way they killed doesn't matter. A kill is a kill. The only thing that matters is if the person is prepared mentally or not. Some soldiers may get depressed after killing kilometers away with a sniper rifle but at the same time some soldiers do not get bothered even if their first kill is with a knife.

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>>158405969
You have to post new Roland.

>>158409066
>It is disingenuous to be saying that the world is peaceful.
He didn't say the world was peaceful. he said Japan was, which it is.

>The way they killed doesn't matter.
Like hell it doesn't. Pointing a gun and pressing the trigger and seeing some raghead fall down 50 feet away is not the same as using your bare hands to crush and brutalize a dozen goddamn people, including innocent doctors. Don't you even fucking try to pretend it's the same.

>>158409066
Also, the world IS peaceful. We're literally on the most peaceful period in recorded human history.

>>158409178
Not for long

>>158407335
Why would you want that?

>>158409213
You wish

>>158409217
There is no room for goofiness and fun in fiction.

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>>158408466
>>158408175
>>158407918
>>158407776
>>158407642
>>158407310
>rather than judging it for what it is, sociopathic, I will go out of my way to jump through hoops to prove my shitty point over a shitty argument over the LABEL OF INSANITY, performing intense feats of mental gymnastics.

"as most humans would react" isnt a qualifying thing for sanity, you fucking crackhead.

If I were to torture you and kill your family in front of you, while chaining you up, 99.99% of humans would go insane.

that doesn't make the .01% that doesn't "insane" for not going insane, or the 99.99% "sane" for going insane.

not to mention sociopathy is a buzzword, and a thing that has way more qualifiers than simply "not feeling sad when killing someone".

I spent a fucking 5 second google search on this, and the first thing on
>leddit
gave me some valid information.
Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman, a retired United States Army veteran, a Psychology Professor at West Point (for those who don't know, the United States Army Service Academy. I.e. very good school), and an author on the psychology of killing.

Dude said "only 5-10% of peole can kill without remorse"

Does this make 5-10% of people sociopaths? No.

Does this make 5-10% of people insane?
No.

On the topic of "reacting to an insane situation normally" I think youre conditioned by a majority of anime that the first thing he should do is freak out. The reason he could act rationally is the same reason that a soldier getting shot at could think of a way to maximize his survival chances and it's the same way that some people can play dead when faced with a big bear rather than just fucking screaming and running.

We have an understanding of sane and insane as acting rationally and acting irrationally respectively, so it's fucking autistic to try flipping the definitions based off majority rules, because that does nothing but change labelling.

Remember, I have sources, so bring some too if you want to argue.
tl;dr, kys.

Half of >>158409137 was meant for >>158409079

>>158409178
WWIII will happen soon enough. It is only a matter of time before the war on terrorism spreads to the entire world instead of just the western nations and the powder keg that is waiting to happen with the clash of western culture and brown culture of which the two are just not compatible with the influck of blacks and browns going to White nations.

>>158409137
Japan maybe, but they authors could at least acknowledge that the rest of the world isn't peaceful but they never mention anything about the other nations.

>>158409137
Yes it doesn't. Do you think soldiers always have the luxury to choose the way they will kill when they are in a war zone? When they're out of bullets they'll resort to any other means possible to survive; even stabbing a knife into their enemy's eye. The MC too did what he did to be able to survive. He had no weapons so he used his hands, he had to ensure his identity is a secret so he killed the doctor. It's all about survival and the ability to mentally prepare yourself not to fuck up by being depressed in the middle of a battle.

>>158409351
>pan maybe, but they authors could at least acknowledge
Why? They are literally one japanese guy talking to another japanese guy. The fuck would talking about cartels in mexico have to do with the conversation?

>>158409382
Because it shows how out of touch the author is of the world and will impact the story they're writing. Nippon food is the best!

>>158409352
>Do you think soldiers always have the luxury to choose the way they will kill when they are in a war zone? When they're out of bullets they'll resort to any other means possible to survive; even stabbing a knife into their enemy's eye.
None of that has anything to do with how they'll react after the situation is defused and the adrenalin has died down. No one is saying he's wrong to have killed them, the issue here is he had no reaction whatsoever to have committed a gruesome massacre by hand as his first kills ever. That is extremely abnormal.
No one is even saying he should be depressed, just SOME kind of reaction to having done such an act. so he doesn't come off as a complete psycopath who can break kids to pieces with his fingers and not even bat an eye.

>>158405399
>says that while he snapped an innocent boys neck
The empire is his enemy. Anyone aligned with them is fair game until he gets to safety. Kantian philosophy 101. Hell its moral to burn an orphanage down if you have to do so to survive.
Its literally the ideas that 90% of the world operate on.

>>158409461
That's a dumbfuck point to complain about, considering the people taking part in the conversation are 2 japanese children. Hurr why isn't he talking about mexican cartels that have literally nothing to do with their home nation when reproaching the MC for killing people.

>>158405092
>Stupid character makes retarded question so the MC can look good and "logical".
>Edgy /a/nons wet their panties.

>>158409534
Mexican cartels is only a threat to North America and South America.

Terrorist impacts the entire world that even Japan talks about it.

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Really you want his reaction? That's the dumbest thing I've heard people complain about next to ketchup.

>>158409137
>Pointing a gun and pressing the trigger and seeing some raghead fall down 50 feet away is not the same as using your bare hands to crush and brutalize a dozen goddamn people, including innocent doctors
Its literally the exact same thing. You niggas try to rationalize murder in the most petty ways.
>if if Im not close to the person I killed its not as bad
Its faggots like you who get BTFO by the trolley experiment.

>>158409481
>The issue here is he had no reaction whatsoever to have committed a gruesome massacre by hand as his first kills ever.

Just because you think "normal" people could not possibly prepare themselves to kill they have to doesn't mean it's not possible. Like I said, some soldiers get their first kill and just take it in stride. It literally just means they have prepared themselves fully to be able to do so. This doesn't make them insane either since they are able to properly go back to a peaceful society after killing dozens in a war. MC isn't even a "normal" guy in the first place. He's a guy trained to be a fucking samurai by his obsessed grandfather.

>>158409611
Why, why would you bring up terrorist attacks that have not touched japan at all, in a conversation between 2 japanese schoolchildren where one is reproaching the other for his actions despite his upbringing in an undoubtedly peaceful nation, you dumb /pol/fag?

>>158409481
Only first worlders who have never trained to fight would go into shock after killing someone. Anyone who has trained expecting death to be around every corner for YEARS would never go into shock.
Fucking first worlders cant even deal with doing what it takes to survive.

>>158409627
>Its literally the exact same thing.
Not to the person committing the act, it's not. Now I have to wonder if you're acting stupid of if you actually forgot we weren't discussing the morality of the situation, but rather his absurd lack of reaction to it.

>>158409657
If you can commit a literal massacre with your bare hands and not bat an eye nor react in any way, you're abnormal regardless of how well you integrate into society afterwards.

Or well, you're a poorly characterized fictional character.

>>158409626
It's a fair complaint, since it's the only thing that actually stands out for being poorly written in the story so far.

>>158409770
>Not to the person committing the act, it's not
Thats some high level bullshit you just made up there. If you can pull the trigger you can kill someone with your bare hands.

>>158409666
It is ignorant to think that what is happening outside of Japan won't come to impact Japan down the line. Yet they're talking that the modern world is peaceful and Japan will be able to stand against it. It is just sticking ones head into the ground.

>>158409832
Uhuh. Pressing a button is the same as choking and crushing the life out of 12 people.

>>158409849
None of that has anything to do with the conversation at all, so I'm gonna assume you're just shitposting from here on out. Grats on being subtle about it though.

>>158409849
Do you even know what the fuck you are talking about Japan is one of the most eastern countries in the world if not the most. Tell me what does Japan have to be afraid of. remember the US serves as japans military.

>>158409770
>Soldiers who can go back peacefully in society after killing 50 people in different ways are all abnormal.
Not really anon. What's normal for soldiers is different from what's normal for civilians. That doesn't mean that soldiers are insane or abnormal for not acting like civilians. You try to rationalize this abnormality only through your own perspective and don't consider what's normal for people who were trained to go to war and MC is fucking trained like a soldier.

>>158409902
>Uhuh. Pressing a button is the same as choking and crushing the life out of 12 people.
Obviously one you press the button and the other you are choking. But if you are talking about whether theres an impactful significant difference between the two that warrants a different response absolutely not. What kind of sicko do you have to be to rationalize otherwise.

>ITT: People who have never trained to fight talk about how the response of someone whos trained to kill is not the same response as theirs

>>158409947
Japan has China and North Korea to contend with still, and India as well in terms of economics.

>>158409902
Just because you don't like what you're hearing doesn't make it shitposting.

>>158410086
It never stops being hilarious either.

>>158409344
>kys

Kill yourself.

>The reason he could act rationally is the same reason that a soldier getting shot at could think of a way to maximize his survival chances and it's the same way that some people can play dead when faced with a big bear rather than just fucking screaming and running.

And that reason being?

Never mind that, let's go back to the original argument: "Is getting transported to another world while in the middle of eating, immediately changing gears, offering food to one of the people present to lower their guard, stabbing them in the neck and then proceeding to murder an entire room of people, posing as a dead person, getting sent to the infirmary, murdering the doctor and guard who carried you here after extracting what information you could out of him, masquerading again as a (clean) guard to escape the behavior of someone who is sane?"

Your argument, backed in part by Grossman is that a small part of our population is able to kill without remorse without being insane, so his not showing PTSD over murdering half a dozen people does not mark him as insane.

However, my point is that the ability of the MC to react in perfect rationality in this insane situation without showing one single fucking emotion and getting tunnel vision or any other symptom of a high-stress situation, or even to recognize the situation as potentially stressful is insane in itself.

To quote, again, a wikipedia page, one of the defining characteristics of psychopathy is the "Low fear including stress-tolerance, toleration of unfamiliarity and danger, and high self-confidence and social assertiveness".

And our MC definitely has that, and "meanness" too.

And while the ability to think rationally is a factor of being sane, it isn't the only one, "nor having a fucking mental disorder" is a second, and our MC definitely has that.

Not having remorse for killing isn't the same thing as having no qualms for killing and the ability to actually do it.

>>158406991
You are literally the princess' little bitch boy 2nd in command guy irl.
>summoned to an alien world
>enslaved immediately
>forced to kill
>obviously hates it and hates himself for doing it
>doesn't take the obvious, amazing chance at freedom that is this new guy
I'm not quite sure how this empire's slavery magic shit works, but he seems free willed enough that he could probably use this situation to get out; he's just too pussy and too broken to take it.

>>158407883
Ninja shouldn't be able to kill fully armored knights. He's just your usual overpowered isekai MC.

>>158409627
Holy shit are you an idiot. There's a pretty big difference between shooting someone 100m away compared to a melee fight that ends in a bloody mess for both sides.

On one side you can see the life fade from their eyes, on the other the deed is over almost instantly and at a distance that you can barely see their face. The end result might be the same, but the journey is leagues apart from one another. To claim they are the same is foolishness or arrogance.

>>158410267
>ignoring the part about the US
The states uses Japan to influence the east. Neither china or Korea are a threat. Because japan is isolated geographically theres slim chance that they wont see an attack coming. You are ignorant as hell mate.

>>158410457
You are legit retarded if you think they are different. Anyone who accepts they are killing another will see it as the same.

>>158410548
Did you know that ISIS is in the Philippines? Do know what will happen if ISIS takes over? They're going to aim for Japan while China has the economic power and North Korea will be the might to further advances against Japan.

>>158407409
I mean, yeah, it's absolutely retarded, but given the setting it kinda makes sense? Aren't people from "real" world supposed to be stat-boosted in this fantasy world, in addition to the increased exp gain thing? As for his demeanor, I'd say his Grandpa's been beating darwinism into him for his entire childhood. Look at what happens to veterans when they come back from war. They can't adapt. They need the adrenaline rush and the familiarity of risking your life. The MC has never been to war, but his grandpa's been training him with actual weapons his whole life. If he fucks up he loses a limb. Again, it's retarded, but it's not like it's completely out of nowhere; author at least tried to make it seem logical.

>>158410669
>They're going to aim for Japan
yeah just sail over to a country where the US military is stationed.
ignorance is a sin but this is beyond ignorance. You flat out have no idea how wars are fought.

>>158405092
>>Moments when MC completely BTFO of betafags.

That doesn't make any sense. That doesn't have anything to do with betaness.

The Golden Rule is the founding principle by which humans interact with each other since the dawn of time. It's the basis of all religions, moral and ethical systems. Children understand it before they can understand almost anything else.

Only psychopaths are unable to grasp it fully. Tough even in their case, it might simply be that they still stick to it, but their core values are different.

>>158410751
Japan will be surrounded and cut off from America.

>>158407409
Being a veteran is irrelevant in a fight. Years of training is what matters. MC probably has more hours than any of the guards. The armed part is a huge factor but he got the jump on them.

>>158410806
No you idiot. America is already stationed in japan. Japan cannot have a military so America acts as its military. They also use japan as an entry point into the east. Its too late to cut them off. Educate yourself.

>>158406580

That's not even the dumbest part. The dumb part is that they've somehow never summoned an american who was carrying and had an itchy trigger finger.

Imagine that initial summon scene, but replace Ryoma with any of those random American shop-keepers or upper middle class suburban guys who's neighborhoods often get prowled by niggers.

Either way, that High court mage guy was going to die by someone he was summoning sooner or later.

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>>158410877
It will be cut off because Japan is also being destroyed within people like this guy and their ideology is to destroy nations by weakening it and then the wolves come in.

You know just like what happened to Rome.

>>158407698
>Training to "try to kill" can prepare you for when you have to kill someone

Say that to all the 'Murricans who shoot people to death when they are threatened every year. All those people who were just randomly carrying in case, and the case just happens to come up, and they put a few bullets in 2 or 3 niggers.

You think any of them are trained to "actually kill"? No. They just feel threatened and don't want to die. That's all it fucking takes for a human to kill another. We're not as nice as you think we are.

>>158410420
Having armor is a demerit against his fighting style

>>158409178
>We're literally on the most peaceful period in recorded human history.

No, it's just lopsided. Some parts of the world are peaceful, some are not. And the only reason our parts of the world are peaceful is due to complete top down authoritarian control of the population and almost complete loss of freedom. Break any of the rules enforced by society and you will get segregated for years or killed.

Old mage guy personally summoned about 150 people. None of those 150 people were entertaining enough to be the MC of a story from the opinion of the author. This guy happens to be. Because he isn't an average human. If the story had been about an average human, it would have been a completely different story, which was not the story the author wanted to write.

>>158411287
>>158411287
Read the thread, no one is arguing he isn't an average human. Most posts are disputing the fact that the story doesn't acknowledge the mc as a psychopath, which he is.

>>158407734
And it's amusing. "SHUT UP ASSHOLE INTO THE DRINK!".

>>158411429

Psychopathy and normalcy aren't even solidly defined terms when applied to actual humans. They work even less when you try to apply them to fictional characters unless you're the author, and most authors aren't even able to apply those labels properly, since those labels aren't properly defined anyway. And likely can't be, since they're highly contextual.

>>158408343
In what sense? Many of the more intelligent and well regulated ones can behave very normally and are more or less lucid.

They probably mean he's fairly lucid and rational whether or not he's ruthless, and why it might be that he's so apparently ruthless and suited to thrive.

>>158411563
>Psychopathy and normalcy aren't even solidly defined terms when applied to actual humans

Those terms might not always be set in stone with their meaning but in general they pertain to the local communities culture. You can't have a peaceful japan with a relatively well off teenager suddenly prepared to kill as if he was the fucking terminator. It just breaks the suspension of disbelief, the story is just badly written.

>>158411429
>psychopath
Killing people to survive doesnt make you a psychopath you fucking first worlder

>>158409627
>Its literally the exact same thing.
One requires a massive investment in physical effort and determination, and you have to watch and take in every single gruesome detail up close and personally. Every vein, artery, every little chip and speck of bone, the little bits of flesh. Every little sight, every sound, every crack, squish, gurgle, their last gasp of breath.

The other is pushing a fucking button and watching a sack of meat hit the sand.

>>158411933
The amount of effort has no bearing on the situation.

>>158411818
>You can't have a peaceful japan with -A- relatively well off teenager suddenly prepared to kill as if he was the fucking terminator

You perfectly can. As long as there aren't too many of those, there won't be any large impact on society as a whole. You should worry a lot more about relatively well off teens who kill their lovers or themselves when a relationship is broken. It happens WAY more often, and is way more damaging.

>Those terms might not always be set in stone with their meaning but in general they pertain to the local communities culture.

Yes, those terms are highly contextual. And what happened to the MC when he was summoned? His context completely changed. MC could have lived his whole life training and being a secret psycho, but because he was never seriously threatened, the worst he ever did was beat his wife or beat up a bum who tried to rob him. But in this scenario, his context changed and he was put in a situation where his life and freedom was, to his perception, in immediate danger with no possibility of escape.

>>158411976
It has everything to do with the situation. THe amount of physical effort and the distance.

>>158411976
Yes it does. On one hand, you have to take in and directly witness and feel every single physical consequence to every action you take, every muscle you move. On the other hand, you're so far removed from the actual death it's almost like you hit a steel plate rather than a human being. You've probably never even held a gun in your life, much less fired one.

>>158412022
the physical effort doesnt matter at all
>>158412096
I have. Also trained to fight with knives for 9 years 5 days a week. Cutting someone is just going through the motion. The recoil for a gun is much more shocking.

>>158412180
>The recoil for a gun is much more shocking.
No it isn't. 20 years of shooting speaking. Recoil impulse is completely different from having to grab the guy by the head and stare into his fucking eyes while you gouge the life out of his neck. The rifle completely removes any consequence or action on your part. You don't kill him, the bullet does. Far enough away and you don't even see his face. He's not even human anymore to you, just a target to remove. You think a fighter pilot deals with the people he kills in any way a guy with a spear does? He never even sees the people he kills at all, much less ponders who they were, what he felt as his vision went dark, what his last words were. His futile struggle to cling to the last threads of his life.

it's not the same by any stretch of the imagination. The only thing that could possibly be similar is holding a pistol to his neck and pulling the trigger.

Which type of slave do you want senpai?
>Sex Slave
>Work Slave
>Battle Slave

>>158412324
Youre just wrong mate. Its painfully obviously youve never trained to fight. The expression a person has while you choke them until they tap out is the exact same as it is when you choke them until they stop moving. No one trained to fight is gonna stare someone in the eyes. Waste of resources.
>You don't kill him, the bullet does
I dont even understand how you can bullshit yourself this hard.

>>158412422
Because you seem to think shooting someone from a distance is in any way as intimate as putting your hands on him. How? You still haven't explained. Further than 25yds a person might as well be a motorized mannequin. There's nothing separating the two.

>>158412324
Just ignore the edgy teenager who thinks he knows everything. It's obvious he doesn't want to learn, he already has everything figured out himself. He knows that because when he plays his FPS games using the knife and shooting make him feel the same way, duh!

>>158412507
Because mentally you know you arent shooting at a mannequin. I can bullshit myself into thinking Im choking a mannequin as well. Neither is gonna work. Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>158412419
Virgin ex-torture slave with scar all over the body.

>>158412324
>You don't kill him, the bullet does

What the fuck?

>You don't kill him, the bloodloss from your stabs kill him.
`>You don't kill him, the asphyxiation from the trachea you're obstructing kills him.

Clearly no one every really kills anyone. They just fail at staying alive.

>>158412575
>I can bullshit myself into thinking Im choking a mannequin as well.
No you can't. Manequinnes don't grunt. They don't scream. They don't grapple for their very lives against their attacker, trying their absolute damndest to grab on to their last shot at going home at the end.
>Because mentally you know you arent shooting at a mannequin.
Yes. But I don't have to deal with it being the reality because I'm not close enough to have it shoved in my face. That's the entire argument. You can't do that in hand-to-hand. There isn't any ambiguity about the human being standing in front of you, a human being that is a product of 20-odd years of life and development. Again, what do drone operators feel? Regret? Remorse? Maybe. Probably not. Half of them probably laugh, because look, that one's leg flew twenty feat. Dumb raghead. Try tearing a leg off instead. Not so funny anymore, is it? Shooting someone at a distance is exactly the same. It's just a target to hit. Not a person to wring the life out of. You don't have the option to dehumanize.

>>158412642
You are literally autistic.

>>158412750
quit feeding the troll

>>158412822
I shouldn't even be here, I don't watch or read this shit. I saw it from the front page and it pissed me off.

I'm out.

>>158412750
Mate no one grunts or screams when you are choking them. Youre an embarrassment.
If you cant handle someone struggling against you as you choke them, its because youve never trained to choke someone because anyone you train with is going to struggle a lot more than some random youre putting out.
This isnt some drone warfare we are talking about. You see the person you are shooting.

>>158412947
alright tough guy, take it easy. you won the internet argument.

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>>158412996
Hard to lose when youve never trained to fight

>>158405092
Meh, MC didn't even know how it feels to actually lose a person he cares about.
I can't also see the struggle MC supposed to facing since every "potential danger" is solved by LOLKILLEDXD.
Author projecting really hard on this one, you can see that author killing any person that is better than him since he can't do it in real life.

>>158413798
Killing the people who are trying to kill you is survival basics.

>>158413901
I don't see anyone trying to kill him.
They threaten, yes. But with MC skills (which he displayed at the first chapter) it really doesn't convince anyone that they can kill the MC.

So bad writing then?

>>158413985
Did you read the first chapter. MC also doesnt know the skill level of his opponents. Its good writing because hes not about to sit around and see how powerful they are.

>>158414137
What about this>>158408023
He didn't do anything and still got killed.

>>158412419
Slave x Slave

>>158413985
>So bad writing then?
only if you think that a 16-year old Japanese student that looks like a 25-year old killing grown veteran knights in full body armor and armed with weapons and an expert magician with his bare hands is "bad writing"

>>158414231
he saw his face

>>158414231
He works for the side trying to kill him and letting him live would lead to his death. Its simple really.

>>158405092
What a let down, I thought notLightning would be more of a threat to MC. Turned out she just sat there getting her ass shielded by megane the whole chapter.

>>158414317
And yet war conventions stipulate medical personel shouldn't be killed. Not saying it's followed religiously, but even then that's still a war crime.

>>158415322
so?

>>158415322
Don't bring our moral system into another world.

>>158415458
So it's not kosher.

>>158415494
Well, it gets kinda brought into another world by bringing a guy with our moral standards in a fucking other world.

>>158407642
>killing people changes you
>mc kills people without batting an eye

Maybe it's not his first time killing people. Dude even tried to kill his sensei right at the beginning.

>>158415558
He doesn't seem to care much about the killing then. He was more distressed about owning 2 slaves than he was about mass murder.

>>158405642
>>158405698
Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken? Or something else?

>>158410883
>Iskea with Korean Rooftop Snipers
>They have to fight off a swarm of orks

>>158415322
>war conventions
It's not a thing in this word. And if IRL healers would have been anything like their MMO counterparts, I bet it would be 'shot on sight' policy instead.

>>158415638
Which is weird. He knows what he is doing would be considered, by the laws of the country he was raised in, as illegal and murder, as opposed to justified self-defence.

But he doesn't give a fuck. Disregard Japanese laws, murder people, acquire bitches, call it a day. But then, you don't treat slaves as slaves, because that would be too much.

That's why he's a psycho, because he disregards the moral compass of the country, fucking hell the even the world he was born and raised in for 16 years in one breath without a single fuck.

Also to be honest the "I won't treat you as slaves" scene looked more like a tacked on scene from a dozen over LN than an actual part of the MC's personality.

>>158415796
>not a thing in this word.
>>158415558

This mc is rare breed of the good old imperial japan times, he's a cold blooded killer to his enemies and a loving friend to his allies.

>>158415994
I'm from this world and while I'm kind of see why these conventions were implemented, I find them morally reprehensible. It's implied that killing people is ok if you just follow these rules.
Maybe this person just doesn't respect these treaties for some reason.

>>158415322
No you idiot. Its a war crime to kill doctors on the field after kidnapping them. If you just bomb a camp with doctors its not a war crime.

>>158405092
I dunno who's who, but the guy in panel three is correct

>>158405992
Bitch, I have had PnP sessions where we spend an entire afternoon sneaking behind cattle that were better written than most Isekai.

>>158405969
Ok, if he does 20 of those weekly I'll believe it.

>>158414288
Ive seen cops get their ass kicked in a fight. being a "veteran" doesnt mean shit.

>>158415903
>the "I won't treat you as slaves" scene looked more like a tacked on scene from a dozen over LN than an actual part of the MC's personality.
basically the intro to teaching feeling

now if they say
>you were the first one to be kind to me [as a slave]
it'll be complete

>>158416116
Look, I'm not dissing the MC because he finds the murdering of all and any personel associated with someone who tried to fuck him over. Also, we're all from this world, but when we play a game we don't usually have qualms about murdering and torturing mobs for information. Not respecting these conventions is easy.

Also, armed conflict is a thing, it has been a thing for a very long time in almost all places of the world. It's going to happen whether we like it or not, so enforcing some rules may be a good idea.

Also yeah, your country has the power to tell when shooting someone with a gun is kosher or not. Though they don't get to decide when it's a-ok to torture or tell you to murder unarmed civilian targets.

>>158416122
>No you idiot. Its a war crime to kill doctors on the field after kidnapping them. If you just bomb a camp with doctors its not a war crime.

No idea where you got that.

"ARTICLE 24

Medical personnel exclusively engaged in the search for, or the collection, transport or treatment of the wounded or sick, or in the prevention of disease, staff exclusively engaged in the administration of medical units and establishments, as well as chaplains attached to the armed forces, shall be respected and protected in all circumstances."

Basically once you've identified the medic as such, killing them is never fair game. You can take them prisoners, but then may not refuse to have them treat soldiers in your camp.

Though yeah, bombing a military target and unknowingly -the unknowingly is important here- killing a lot of medics is a-ok.

That is definitely not what happened with our MC.

>>158408569
>but forgot to give him a penis in the process.
Thing is...
He has a penis, In the WN, He's fucking prostitutes with his merc buddies. But he's really hesitant to fuck the twins despite all the mercs knowing those two want his dick. It's mostly because he feels like if he does it, it really will mean he can't go back to earth. And at that point, he's already deciding the build a nation anyway.

>>158416122
It's only a war crime if burgerland wants it to be, they've done plenty of those themselves and no charges are done against them.
Real war has no rules, nanking is justified as well.

>>158416419
Thanks for repeating what I said. Secondly war treaties arent moral code.

Why are people bringing up war conventions on a nation that never agreed to abide? At the very least, they clearly never agreed to disallow kidnapping and enslaving civilians. Just how much handicap is MC suppose to have to be this ridiculously "morally right"?

>>158416436
War crimes exist to prevent the atrocities done in past wars. Its not a crime if you are the winner. Basics of warefare.

>>158416487
the usual autists who bring up inane things like war conventions against medics in a medieval fantasy world

just the usual

>>158416487
Some idiot seems to think that because a few countries agreed to not killing battle medics, MC is immoral for killing a doctor. Its literally the most retarded argument in this thread.

>>158409626
>ketchup
Hey atleast the guy isn't putting it on steak

What do you guys think of the Summoned Slaughterer MC, Hifumi?

>>158416453
I'll just assume you're >>158416122

And no, I did not repeat what you said.
>Its a war crime to kill doctors on the field after kidnapping them.
Yes, just like it is to kill doctors on the field without kidnapping them, or knowingly killing doctors in any situation period. It's not "oh yeah in that one specific case..." it's in all cases where you know there is a fucking medic you're killing.

>If you just bomb a camp with doctors its not a war crime.
Half true. If you received communication that the red tent with a big ass white cross imprinted on it and with the red cross flag is used only for treating the wounded and is not used in any way shape or form for military purposes, and you bomb the camp including said tent? War crime.

If you can prove you had no earthly idea that what you bombed was a field hospital then yes, it's not technically a war crime.

That's quite different from "Its a war crime to kill doctors on the field after kidnapping them. If you just bomb a camp with doctors its not a war crime."

>>158416507
It's not just maximum autismo, it's about people finding the MC's actions morally right. Killing enemy soldiers after they tried to fuck you over is one thing, even though MC states it wouldn't fly in court as legitimate defence, but the bit with the young doctor? That's war crime material for the world we, and the MC live in. That's not just your good old fashioned murder we all know and love, there is a big leap in morality here. And it deserves being stressed.

>>158416834
Still repeating what I said. Thanks

>>158416834
>That's war crime material

see>>158416525

>>158416525
>a few countries.
>196 countries ratified the Geneva Convention, including Japan since 1953
>battle medics
>"All medical personel"

Also while I don't claim one immoral act makes oneself utterly immoral, yes getting info out of a doctor and strangling him to death is immoral. You actually have a counterpoint to that, or not?

>>158416662
It would be funnier if he wasn't overpowered as all fuck. Otherwise it makes for a pretty fun read.

>>158415657
Anyone?

>>158416834
Quit trying to bring our 21st century morality into the setting of a medieval isekai. The MC didn't want his face seen by anyone since he's trying to flee from a country, end of story.

>>158416662
At the very least he's older and also deliberately written as a violent, emotionally broken autist. It's still the same silly "defeated filthy knight-equivalents with the use of my superior nippon martial arts (folded 100000 times)" though. He's alright I guess, though. At the very least I'd take him over yet another boring jap teen devoid of all personality who immediately becomes the most powerful being in the new world for no good reason.

>>158416834
>It's not just maximum autismo, it's about people finding the MC's actions morally right. Killing enemy soldiers after they tried to fuck you over is one thing, even though MC states it wouldn't fly in court as legitimate defence, but the bit with the young doctor? That's war crime material for the world we, and the MC live in. That's not just your good old fashioned murder we all know and love, there is a big leap in morality here. And it deserves being stressed.
The fuck does it matter? He's not even on Earth. His very life is on the line and you're preaching morality? In a world where they don't even know what it means?

>>158417026
>getting info out of a doctor and strangling him to death is immoral
Because its not mate. People not acting as part of a military arent held to war conventions. Any modern self respecting country holds people to Kant philosophy. There are no morals in war, just agreements. You really look like an idiot.

>>158417057
no its a different shitty manga. Heres a hint. It starts with a "J"

Only isekai stories can bring these people together arguing stupidest shit.

>>158417026
YOU DAFT NIGGA.
Both countries have to agree to it in the first place for it to be considered a crime. Tell me where this fantasy lands signature is on the treaty.

>>158417070
>>158417077
Yes, because this fucker, our MC should. Our MC isn't from a different world, our MC was raised with 21st morality all the fuck around him, and our MC knows what morality is.

Look, let's say that instead of summoning a guy from our present day world, they summon a fucking viking, who proceeds to kill maim, pillage burn and enslave as much as he can, you would never find me bitching about how it's "weird" for the Viking to pull this shit or how "insane" he must be. Guy follows the customs of the culture he is from. Fucking hell, I even get pissed at Vinland Saga for bringing 21st century pacifism in a time and place where it makes absolutely fucking zero sense.

Our morality has no place in a fucking medieval world or in fantasy counterpart cultures.

Unless we specifically bring one fucker from our present-day world who SHOULD have all that cultural baggage and should have issues straying too much from it (take Saitou from the same fucking series and the chapter we're fucking discussing) or even the insane Hifumi who is repeatedly stated to be insane with his bloodlust, kills the god of death the first chance he gets and takes his travels to another world as a nice pleasant stroll where he can fucking unwind and murder as many people as he wants.

But, if you specifically bring a fucking 16yo japanese highschooler from present-day japan, fucking hell yes our morals have a reason to exist in his head. And just "my teach taught me moves to kill" doesn't fucking cut it to explain just how much he doesn't give a fuck about morals from the culture he was raised in. Unless he is just that fucking insane. In which case he is, debate over.

>>158417324
You still seem to be confusing war crimes with morals. Please revise your post.

>>158417115
"Medical personnel from most western nations carry weapons for protection of themselves and their patients but remain designated non combatants, wearing the red cross, crescent or crystal."

They do lose their noncombattant status if they shoot at you with said gun though.

>>158417399
Why did you aim this irrelevant info at me. Is mc acting as part of an army bound by the geneva convention. Educate yourself man.

>>158417179
I'm not accusing the MC of being a fucking war criminal, I am saying that from his perspective he is acting like one and that should bug the hell out of him.

No trial will judge him guilty of war crimes, except he should have his conscience giving him hell about it.

>>158417364
Is committing a war crime moral?
No.
Here, link between morals and war crimes established. Pretty fucking hard I know, want a source with that? Or is basic human fucking decency not that hard to grasp?

>>158417324
>Yes, because this fucker, our MC should. Our MC isn't from a different world, our MC was raised with 21st morality all the fuck around him, and our MC knows what morality is.
That doesn't matter. Bringing the morals of our easy life into a savage world is only going to handicap us and very likely get us killed.

Humans should adapt to their environment, not force our enlightened ideals onto people not ready for them.

Your insistence on this point - that is, trying to force our current morality onto some place in the distant past - is distressing.

>>158417477
>Is committing a war crime moral?
Morals have no place in war. By your argument war is moral. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
also
>he should have his conscience giving him hell about it.
Yeah he should feel bad about violating things that dont apply to him.

>>158417477
This is the most retarded thing Ive read so far. Every sentence has at least 2 fallacies in it.

>>158417324
>Yes, because this fucker, our MC should. Our MC isn't from a different world, our MC was raised with 21st morality all the fuck around him, and our MC knows what morality is.
So what? His life was in danger. And the doctor saw his face. Or what? you think the doctor would have kept quiet about him? You think the doctor would have been anything other than a loose end? Said doctor would have sold him out in a second if given the chance. He protected himself by killing said doctor. If he was so insistent on not killing because it's "Immoral" it would have bitten him in the ass and got him killed and he fucking knew it.

Besides, MC had been trained in the art of killing for a long time. He has just never had the need to use it precisely because he's in peaceful japan. But this world is different, He was abducted, almost forced to be a slave, and in complete enemy territory. NO ONE was his ally in that castle. They were all enemies.

>>158417548
Stop responding the the geneva faggot. He cant seem to grasp that you have to be a soldier to be held accountable for war crimes. Civilians and Soldiers operate under different laws.

>>158417548
Plus this is a feudal kingdom, so all those knights and doctors swear fealty to the local Lord. That doctor would be honor-bound to sell the MC out if spared.

>>158405092
Just wanted to say, BTFO stands for "blow the fuck out/off" so you didn't need the extra "of" after "BTFO".

>BTFO betafags
FTFY

>>158417571
I'm not even gonna argue about the war criminal part. since the MC isn't even a soldier. He is literally a victim.

>>158417477
I would say his perspective is
>When in fantasy magic Rome where people want to kill and enslave you, do as the fantasy magic Romans do.

>>158417605
hes saying blew the fuck out of betafags

>>158405092
Death to those who violate the NAP

>>158417460
Well, I obviously linked the wrong post.

The only reason I bring up war conventions is because Grossman was cited earlier and also because that's the last line of defense to rationalize our MC's behavior, again according to the morals he was taught.

The first possibility, which incidentally is what most posters in this thread agree with, is that his little rampage is one long string of action in accordance with the right to preserve one's life, also called self defence. There is a real argument to be made here, at least for us real-worlders, but MC states what he just did wouldn't qualify as self defence in Japan. Then in what other situation are citizens allowed to murder as much as they want? War. If we consider the MC as a foreign entity that was attacked by another foreign power, then his killing of the soldiers are justified in that they are soldiers and this is, more or less, a battle. Looking at it this way, the MC can look back on his kills and say "yep, totally moral and justified, them or me, warrior against warrior." Except that, probably not for the Empire, but for our MC, the questioning and subsequent strangling to death of unarmed medical personel is immoral and goes beyond the limits of conventional warfare as defined by the country the MC lived in.

So his conscience should be giving him hell about that, and the fact that it isn't and MC feels ok with his killing of noncombattant personnel is not normal, nor sane.

>>158410330
By your argument, staying calm under pressure is insane.

Mental disorders range in severity too. Some things like depression, sure, a mental disorder, doesnt really qualify you as insane. You can be a sad sane man.

Trying to diagnose someone off of a few things you read off the internet is pretty shitty, too, as there is a reason people take long years of medical school rather than just fucking going to wikipedia.

But back to my original point. No matter how many hoops you fall through to mark him "insane" why does it matter.

I'm not really one of those "i'm more than my label1!!1!" type people but it genuinely doesn't matter in this situation. The only thing that's being gained is that you're putting a word that you KNOW has a severe negative connotation, Insane, over a situation of extreme rationality and pragmatism.

If I refer to an MC as "insane", you do not visualize a cold, rationalizing individual. You visualize a rabid fucking dog.

So by jumping through hoops to call him insane, all you do is provide the wrong impression intentionally just to prove yourself right.

You can have mental disorders and be sane.
You can have NO mental disorders and be insane.

Also, i love how you cherry pick the ONE definition that talks about mental disorders. Let me cite a few that dont even MENTION mental disorders, you fucking retard.

Google - the ability to think and behave in a normal and rational manner; sound mental health.

Merriam Webster - he quality or state of being sane; especially : soundness or health of mind

Dictionary.com - noun
1.
the state of being sane; soundness of mind.
2.
soundness of judgment.

Oxford Dictionary - The ability to think and behave in a normal and rational manner; sound mental health.

yourdictionary.com - Sanity is the state of having a sound mind and good reasoning.

Macmillan dictionary - the ability to think and speak in a reasonable way and to behave

>>158417650
Your autism is not normal.

>>158417650
>So his conscience should be giving him hell about that, and the fact that it isn't and MC feels ok with his killing of noncombattant personnel is not normal, nor sane.
His conscience doesn't give him hell because he's the victim. He was kidnapped and almost enslaved. Why the fuck would he care about the group that was endangering him?

>>158417650
>Grossman was cited earlier and also because that's the last line of defense to rationalize our MC's behavior, again according to the morals he was taught.
Please educate yourself. Modern day morals are decided primarily by Kantian philosophy. Since you obviously don't know what that means Ill make it simple. An action must be voluntary for it to be moral or immoral. Actions taken for self preservation are not immoral. This is why in our modern age you can literally kill whoever you want if you can successfully advocate that you had to in order to survive. If you mention more autistic war shit Im not going to respond because as its been started MC is not a soldier in a war.

>>158405092
I'm just annoyed by the "battle slaves" part

>>158417833
Meant
>Actions taken for self preservation are not voluntary
but same effect

>>158417857
whats annoying about battle slaves. Its like having a gladiator

>>158417881
Ok, first: just combine them all into one slave category. They are ALL "labor" one way or another. One labors in the field or mine, one labors in the bed, and the other labors on the battlefield.

>>158417654
>You can have NO mental disorders and be insane.

You know what, I'll bite, go ahead, enlighten me on that one. I know it doesn't have any bearing on your actual points, but I am genuinely curious in which situation one would be insane and still have no mental disorders.

Also, about the one definition I picked, I am pretty sure I went to two different sources, and they were the first to pop up.

Google gives me "(of a person) of sound mind; not mad or mentally ill"

Merriam Webster does indeed not mention mental illnesses

Oxford gives me the same as google,

One could plead "has a healthy mind" as being clean of mental disordes (yourdictionary.com)

Macmillan dictionary gives "a sane action or decision is a sensible one that people can understand. We ought to be able to discuss this in a sane and reasonable way."

So while not all dictionaries agree, it's not like I picked the one counter example.

Also, my argument isn't "staying calm under pressure is insane" it's "staying so calm under pressure not one feeling is felt and it seems as though the stress of the situation does not exist to the individual" -as exemplified by our MC's impeccable smile when trapping the soldier- is insane, yes.

Mental disorders do range in severity, and yes we are all more or less insane at different levels. However you are the one reading "rabid fucking dog" when I write insane. On that note yes, you are more insane when depressed, as you become less and less able to see reality for what it is, as your are bogged down by your mental disorder.

As an old Columbo fan, when I refer to the MC as insane, I visualize a cold, rationalizing individual who doesn't understand why a woman wouldn't take a bribe to remain silent about her father's murder, after all it's a good deal for her.

Also, I don't hate the MC or want to moralfag the ever loving fuck out of him, again I liked Hifumi, or Vinland Saga before it got all tree hugging. But in this case the MC is crazy.

>>158417984
That just seems a little autistic. Sure they are all 'labor' in a way, but when you think labor you don't think sex or war. you think lifting heavy things and mining. and such.

Was this guy supposed to be the jap self-insert fantasy?

>>158418130
Not really.

They even fucking showed him having the bordeline autistic "fight to kill, always and forever" mentality when he was in Japan. He was essentially raised to think killing was both acceptable and correct when it came to combat by his grandfather from a very young age. It's no grand canyon leap in logic to think a person raised with this mindset would be more than okay with the killing of civillians to keep himself alive. Further, the dissociation caused by being dragged to another world likely gives him a near solipsistic value of the lives of the natives of the isekai world.

>>158417984
a gladiator serves a different purpose than a sex slave man. Stop being autistic. There are different types of slaves.

>>158417771
Because of something called empathy and how doing terrible things to people like murder, strangling and shit makes you feel like shit and is a strain on your mental health.

>>158417833
Ok, you don't get what I meant with the war thing, let's not dwell on that.

So, your argument is that all the MC did was for self-preservation, and as such utterly justified. A pretty damn compelling point.

My take on it is that, as you noted, you can kill anyone you want as long as you successfully advocate that it was justified. Meaning that there is, sometimes, a little bit of room for intepretation. For rulings. Which is why there are laws and case precendents for self defense. Now, as far as I am concerned, the bit with the doc is really, really skirting the line. That one kill is definitely a lot grayer morally than the soldiers. Thing is, if our MC is sane, then he should be getting hell from his conscience, due to the case being gray as fuck.

Now, I'm going to make a couple assumptions, being that you once did something wrong in your life, and that you felt like shit about it. Both are pretty safe bets, but eh.

So, I don't know about you, but when I do something that I know could be seen as wrong, I question myself. One part of me understands that I could very well be wrong, and another really wants me to be right and doesn't want to consider the alternative. This is probably the same for you, this is probably the same for all of us.

MC should have had something of the sort. Him not showing any kind of emotion or doubt is weird as fuck.

>>158417984
Well, the Romans were a slaving state and they found differentiating slaves by occupation pretty damn fucking useful.

Maybe you could combine them, but if really historical slavers made differences -admittedly, between the labor jobs the slaves would get- then there is no real issue putting that in a fantasy world.

>>158418321
>Because of something called empathy and how doing terrible things to people like murder, strangling and shit makes you feel like shit and is a strain on your mental health.
Why would he empathize with his kidnappers? Wouldn't that be Stockholm syndrome?

>>158418321
The war thing is completely unrelated.
And what the hell is this. Its gray to you. Not to anyone else. Im not talking about self defense. Im talking about self preservation. Its why if I threaten your life and you kill some innocent person no one has the right to say what you did is immoral. By kantian philosophy which is what our morals are based heavily on.
I dont feel bad for things others think I did wrong. I feel bad for things I think I did wrong. I have never felt bad about doing something I felt was justified.

>>158418371
Stockholm syndrome is somewhat different, since, as far as I know, it should be triggered by one kidnapper being nicer to you and you being extremely nicer to him in return, seeing him as a friend of sorts.

Human beings naturaly empathize which each others. Naturally we have ways to block and refrain said empathy, but in the end it is still here. If you see some fucker you hate more than anything get kicked in the nuts right in front of you, you will first wince thinking how much it hurts, and then you should remember how much that motherfucker deserves it and enjoy it. But your first reaction is to empathize.

>>158418472
>Stockholm syndrome is somewhat different, since, as far as I know, it should be triggered by one kidnapper being nicer to you and you being extremely nicer to him in return, seeing him as a friend of sorts.
No, I'm pretty sure the offender doesn't have to be nice to you for Stockholm Syndrome to kick in.

Either way, I don't see the problem with him not losing any sleep over killing a member of the group of people that abducted and tried to enslave him. And I don't think you'll find many others who would see the problem either. He's the victim. He just fought back.

>>158418426
You never once, on some level went "wait, maybe those guys understood something I didn't"?

I'll feel bad for the things I did wrong, but I'll reconsider the righteousness of actions widely recognized as shitty, yes. Sometimes I'll camp on my positions, sometimes I'll actually reconsider.

Also, what's the difference between self defense and self preservation? Beyond one being more of a legal term it does sound like they mean the same thing: The right to defend oneself. Well, right might not be the right word, but you get what I mean.

Also, yeah I do think you're taking the philosophy a bit too far. Let's say we meet eachother behind a bar, you're with your nurse of a sister, and have a lot of armed biker friends inside the bar. At some point you threaten to kill me and in response to said threat I clobber you to unsconsciousness and then do the same to your sister as she tries to reanimate you to prevent her from calling help and to ensure I get to survive tonight.

I don't think anyone would see what I did to your sister, in that example as moral in any shape or form. Pragmatic, yes, but overly ruthless and not justified.

>>158418549
I do think there needs to be a hint of niceties on the side of the kidnapper for it to kick in, as you literally latch on any hope of better odds of survival.

Also, what you just said holds up for the soldiers, not the doc.

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>>158416662
This schlock is so bad, holy shit. Did a edgy 13 year old nip write it? Fuck

>>158418646
The doctor is complacent in the matter as well. He's part of them. And would have endangered the MC as well if given the chance.

>>158409516
>thinks (incorrecty) throwing around Kant's name and air statistics will convince anyone

Also, b-but that's utilitarianism senpai

I don't get the whole being upset about killing thing. I mean, I can't see a 16 year old actually taking down a bunch of trained people, but as for killing, not every single person is so sensitive to it. At the end of the day it's just disabling someones ability to live, if you think about it like that it becomes almost mundane.

At this point I'm 99% certain all moralfags are just shit posters. There can't be that many mentally ill people from tumblr coming here can it?

>>158418716
The doctor being complacent in the matter and endangering the MC at the first occasion is a bit of an assumption. Also to him the MC is an intruder, as he wasn't part of the summoning and doesn't know the situation, which is someone apparent because of the whole "What do you want? Who are you? Why did you kill them?" Dude's lost and not part of the team that wronged our MC.

>>158418613
>You never once, on some level went "wait, maybe those guys understood something I didn't"?
I dont feel bad for it.
>what's the difference between self defense and self preservation?
If im starving and I kill you for food I did nothing wrong. Youd have a hard time arguing why you couldnt get food for a soup kitchen, but self preservation means you can do ANYTHING if you need to do it to survive. The idea is that self preservation is the first and foremost instinct a person has and telling them to contradict it is irrational. The way the law works is a "reasonable" person would do the same thing.
>you're taking the philosophy a bit too far
Dont talk about morals if you dont understand the basic ideas behind them. Voluntary actions and morals is pretty much assumed at the start of the conversation
>At some point you threaten to kill me and in response to said threat I clobber you to unsconsciousness
As I said above, this is where a "reasonable" person comes in by law. If a reasonable person would see the threat on their life as real the the court would deem you innocent because thats how morals work. And even if its not reasonable thats why the crazy plead exist.
Im not about to explain how modern age morals work to you if you cant grasp something so simple.

>>158418875
well not really anything. Just the mare minimum to guarantee your preservation.

>>158418817
Doesn't matter what the doctor thinks. The fact of the matter is, MC's not an intruder, he was kidnapped by the same people the doctor works for, and the doctor knows it too. Summoning is common placed in that world. If someone was even slightly educated they'd know about it. It's even considered normal to abduct and enslave otherworlders.

Hell, the doctor was trying to treat a "soldier" involved in the summoning. So he damn well knew the basics.

>>158418767
Most people have no connection with death as first-worlders. Minor blogshit for contrast, when I was growing up my family kept chickens and around the time I was 8 I was in charge of raising the chicks. By 14, I was also killing and cleaning them. For some reason this is really hard for a lot of people to accept, they say "edgy" or "if it doesn't bother you then you must be a psycho". So if even killing for sustenance is reviled, how can people accept killing for safety?

I guess my point is that more 14 year olds need the experience of killing an animal you raised with their bare hands so they can appreciate the realities of life and death. They have no connection to it in their daily lives so they naturally believe idealistically that all life is precious. That is your moralfag.

>>158418875
>I dont feel bad for reconsidering my opinions.
Neither do I, but I do reconsider my opinions and doubt myself, the ability to refuse to doubt oneself does not sound like the proof of a sane mind to me. But yeah, nothing to make you feel bad about.
>If im starving and I kill you for food I did nothing wrong.
So self defense is the specific situation while self preservation is the general umbrella term?
>Dont talk about morals if you dont understand the basic ideas behind them
Thing is, basic ideas behind a lot of different things can be similar, but differ in the particular cases and applications of said principles. I haven't studied Kant since Highschool, and even then voluntary actions and morals weren't on the program, but I can differentiate between something that is morally right or wrong, or legally sound or not. (at least in my country's laws) Which is why I used an example in a pseudo real-life situation. If you tell me that due to your keen insight on the origins of 21st century morals and keen understanding of the legal system you reached the conclusion that me beating you to unconsciousness and later death, as well as your sister that was trying to help you and/or call for help because I feared for my life due to your biker friends being nearby is both moral and legal, because you had a knife and the threat on my life was very real, then I am sorry but there is something you missed at some point, because me murdering your sister that didn't do jack shit to threaten my life because you did and she could have, isn't moral, and is definitely not legal.

How you could think otherwise is beyond me but, in the spirit of doubting oneself if you have a case of a recent western case where just that happened and the guy that just killed two people -one who did absolutely jack shit wrong- walked away free, then please share.

But it does sound outlandish as all hell.

>>158419064
This entire thread reminds me of another WN about a guy who ended up killing the man who murdered his mother and older sister when he was only 10 years old. He was taken in to police but then you had the media and a lot of people wondering if he was psycho.

Psycho, for killing the guy who killed his mom and sis and was about to kill him too.

>>158419123
doubting and feeling bad are not the same thing. Starting with a fallacy is not a good start but lets see where this goes

Self defense involves defending against an aggressor which is just part of self preservation.

Way to miss the whole bare mininum needed to survive by a reasonable person thing. Finish that high school education.

>>158407335
>of course not, but there was still a chance of having a serious adult oriented movie

They did that with the prequel trilogy, no one liked it.

In the end, the franchise must be just a good one, not too goofy, not too serious, somewhere in middle.

>>158419064
>For some reason this is really hard for a lot of people to accept
Well, I dislike this concept. Animals are innocent. I'm not a hypocrite: I eat meat, but it makes me a bit uncomfortable. I will switch to the artificial meat as soon as it would be available.
>So if even killing for sustenance is reviled, how can people accept killing for safety?
But I have zero sympathy for an assholle who tries to kill me.

So, the true question is why MC gave his enemies (princess + cuck slave Jap guy) his true name when they discovered him?

>>158419247
I don't mean to sound edgy, but it's a simple fact that for one living being to flourish, another has to diminish and be fed upon by it. Death is not some horrible thing, but merely a process in the cycle of life. It doesn't matter what you want to think, if you are eating, something else died. If you can't handle that then you're free to starve to death. We don't kill animals out of malice, it's because we've gotta eat to live.

>>158419272
He's leaving the country. Once he's out, they won't be able to touch him very easily since the Empire doesn't exactly have any allies, what with them wanting to take over the continent.

>>158419064
I see where you're coming from and you definitely have a point, if I had to choose between eating meat at the cost of killing the animal myself or stop eating meat altogether, I'd probably stop eating meat. That being said, if I had the choice between killing a goddamn chicken and starving to death, I'd kill the damn poultry. Even people who are very touchy about death and killing realize that it is still a reality and a necessity and can accept it. I wouldn't kill a man if I can help it, if I had a gun and someone threatened my brother with a knife, I'd shoot. Also, some things, even when we're not being touchy about death still suck, or are straight up unacceptable. My uncle lived in a poor rural area, they had cats. Sometimes the cats would give birth and you had to kill the kittens. It sucked, but it had to be done. Except that once you accepted to do it once, everybody pushes that on you, and doing it is never pleasant. So even if you accept death, it's not like killing becomes easy in all situations.

On the whole "city guy meets rural family" the father of my ex-gf shot his own dog to death. Because he was getting old. And then the next one because "well, he wasn't happy with us."

Shooting dogs is fine. Shooting your own dog isn't. Either let him die in peace or make it painless for him, shooting the poor beast isn't okay and never will.

>>158419151
>but then you had the media and a lot of people wondering if he was psycho for defending his life.
It's sad that I can definitely see the media pulling that kind of shit in real life.

>>158419321
>It's sad that I can definitely see the media pulling that kind of shit in real life.
Yea, this thread itself makes it far easier to see this happening.

>>158419064
I guess I won't know how I'd actually react to killing someone until I do it, but at the very least the idea doesn't really bother me. Hell, it's never bothered me, even when I was a little kid I just thought of death as something normal that happens. I hate this fucking trend now where edgy means "any story where people actually die when they try to kill each other".

>>158419247
A chicken is a living rock. It isn't innocent, it just is. I can cut down a tree for firewood and it is alive anon. Are trees innocent? I don't think that value can be applied there either.

You are projecting values onto animals, which is very normal and I don't mean anything bad by it. Your morality is fine if misguided.

>>158419321
Yeah, old yeller bullshit is kinda dumb and I don't like it as a way to euthanize. Old dudes are like that though even if you try and tell them some doctor can do it for them. Pretty sure it is a romanticism thing, like taking ownership for the life of their animal in a lot of cases.

>>158419316
Is this empire the shitty greedy kind or the "bringing order to the unordered and prosperity to the unprosperous whether they like it or not" kind?

>>158419316
They can still pursue him (and almost certainly will because he killed their premier mage) and it is easier to pursue someone if you know both their face and their name.

>>158419362
>I guess I won't know how I'd actually react to killing someone until I do it.

Well out of experience, you will only feel rage and disgust towards the person you killed and the people defending him.

>>158419216
Ok, I really don't know where you wanted to go with the doubting/feeling bad thing, but it's getting out of hand. There was no fallacy in anything I said on the subject.

I said that I questioned myself and had a conscience and the lack of said reaction in the MC was weird. You said you never felt bad about things you did you felt justified. I said fine, but you did doubt yourself, right? You said yes you doubted yourself, but didn't feel bad about it. I said there was indeed no reason to feel bad about doubting yourself.

Where the fuck is there a fallacy?!

>Self Defense / Self preservation
Okay, so I got it right.
>Way to miss the whole bare mininum needed to survive by a reasonable person thing.
And this, this right here, is where you lose me. The entire point, the entire argument, is that the killing of the doc was skirting the line of "bare minimum needed to survive per the reasoning of a reasonable person". I did not miss it, I am claiming that it is in enough of a gray area that even with his protagonist-centered morality our MC should be weirded out by what he did. Which is why I pulled the sister example, because as far as I see it it's a pretty good equivalent, and you are defending as "bare minimum" an overly ruthless action.

>>158419312
That's basically my point. I don't have an irrational fear of death.
I don't like hurting someone who didn't do anything bad(at least to me personally) if I can help it.
>>158419379
>A chicken is a living rock.
The human being as well. If I need to kill him, I would try to make it as painless as possible.
I generally dislike torture.
The main difference lies in the inability of chicken to do evil. This concept is a bit too complicated for the chicken to grasp.

>>158419247
Why does eating meat make you uncomfortable? Most animals that are turned into meat existed solely to be turned into said meat. They would never have been kept alive otherwise, and in many cases not been born.

>>158419362
Have you ever tried target shooting or martial arts anon? It feels innapropriate to ask when someone mentioned Summoned Slaughterer in this thread, but practicing boxing or shooting guns is a good way to test that resolution. Personally, when I first held a rifle I was impressed by the weight. It was heavier than I expected, both literally and figuratively. Still, hunting and shooting with very sophisticated tools of death is satisfying in various ways. Some swordsman types have a romanticism for their weapons, but for me the fact that gunpowder weapons advanced civilization to this level fills me with a deep respect.

You should try it out if you haven't already.

>>158419240
> a serious adult oriented movie
>They did that with the prequel trilogy
>jarjar
umm right

only serious things were the games >>158413212
especially republic commando

>>158419379
Fuck, you know what, if that old fucker shot his own fucking dog out of romanticism I could have understood. That would have seemed utterly insane to me but that dog was his companion, if he had to die he would do it himself and do it well.

The reason he gave me was that the veterinarian was a big spending that was also unjustified.

Fuck that old dude, fuck his wife, fuck his daughter.

>>158419480
>The human being as well
I seriously hope you aren't a determinist anon, because that would shit up the thread far worse than anything else so far.

Humans are moral agents, chickens are not. Like you said a chicken can't do evil since it lacks the concept, but a human being certainly can so the killing of humans over poultry is a very different moral question.

>>158419536
Then yeah, he's a cheap cunt. Sounds like a bad experience.

>>158419485
>Why does eating meat make you uncomfortable?
It doesn't. But the production process bothers me a bit.
I would rather consume artificial meat given the opportunity. Scientists have already managed to create a first artificial hamburger from the stem cells, so this future is not so far off.

>>158419491
Yes, I used to love martial arts when I was younger but I fell off when my tutor had to stop doing it because of cancer. More recently I;ve done some shotting before but never any real hunting, although it's possible my rich uncle will take me on one of his trips. I still can't get over how powerful a gun actually feels, first time I shot one I thought a lot about how easy it would be to end a life. It definitely gives you respect for the power you can wield. But, it's also a relief that pretty much anyone can carry defense and offense.

>>158419574
I personally find traditional killing, cleaning, and cooking much less disturbing than meat factories. You're dealing with the individual animal and neatly taking it apart in a proper way to be eaten, not just shoving a bunch of bodies into a fucking grinder.

>>158419463
>killing of the doc was skirting the line of "bare minimum needed to survive per the reasoning of a reasonable person
Thats for the law. Which anyone would agree with his action to begin with. But whether or not you are found guilty is irrelevant to the morals. All you have to do is believe you are doing what is necessary for it to no longer be classified as voluntary.
>it is in enough of a gray area
it really isnt. There are no gray areas in life or death decisions. You have to decide on what information you are given and if its gray then its not GUARANTEED.

>>158419599
>But, it's also a relief that pretty much anyone can carry defense and offense.
Heh, funny tidbit there. I live in a country where guns are banned, and while being unable to carry a gun for my protection does irk me, Thank God all those morons in my country don't have reliable legal access to guns.

>>158419383
Mix of both, but more of the former.

>>158419404

And they do, but they have to go through a few nations to do it.
They actually pull some shit behind closed doors with the nation he was in to keep him one place while they prepare to conquer the nations inbetween.. But the realize this may backfire because Ryouma sets things up so that he's basically building a starting point for his own nation. They try to rush the conquering before he gets fat enough, but end up getting stalled because Ryouma interferes in the war with the country they are in and a 3rd party leaks information to help said invaded nation.

>>158419564
Well, I thought that I had quoted this line
>A chicken is a living rock
I will try to rephrase that. Chicken and human are both animals.
But chicken happens to be 0 karma-wise. So I would rather sympathize a chicken than a bad human being.
>>158419628
I totally agree.

A respectable westerner isekai writer
and A japanese artist combo would be great

>>158419574
The meat factory setting is a necessity of modern need (300 million people need to eat every day in the US alone) so personally I don't mind it much.

Artificial meat being able to fill this niche of "generic protein" that is being filled by hundreds of thousands of cattle, chickens, and pigs that go to the slaughterhouses every year would be fantastic for human development and maybe even lower food costs around the globe. I guess I want to say "keep fighting for the future you want" because its a good one for everyone, even people who don't mind killing to eat.

>>158419574
>artificial hamburger from the stem cells
I'd rather continue eating my less disgusting meat

>>158419714
>So-bin teamed up with Garth Nix
Make it happen. Who'd be your dream team?

>>158419714
all western isekais are shit though

>>158419718
People could sustainably live off of food raised in their own backyard. But, property costs and taxes mean it simply isn't an option for most people. It's not even a matter of food being hard to acquire, the land itself is impossible to just easily obtain.

>>158419718
>and maybe even lower food costs around the globe
Yep. I can't find the link with the exact numbers, but it would be something like five times cheaper to produce compared to the traditional meat, given the large scale.
>>158419750
Your choice, pal. Nobody forcing you to eat it or trying to ban traditional meat.
Well, not me, that's for sure.

>>158419894
I'd eat a meat based on soy and whey though if soy wasn't gmo'd to hell

>>158419934
Well, it would be the exact copy of the traditional muscle tissue.
And it would probably be antibiotics/other shit-free: why bother when you just need to keep the factory clean and your meat would be ok?

Hey guys, how would you write a protagonist who isn't predisposed to killing? I'm thinking of writing a story(maybe isekai maybe not) based on the protag not being too troubled by killing people.

>>158419638
>There are no gray areas in life or death decisions. You have to decide on what information you are given and if its gray then its not GUARANTEED.
Bullshit. You're -again- deflecting by ejecting the notion of "reasonably" from your argument.

Killing the fucker that pulled a knife on you with your gun is moral -and legal- you're defending yourself.

Downing the fucker that pulls a knife on you with your gun and then stepping on his hand until he drops the knife is a lot more violent. Still acceptable? Seems so, but it's a bit grayer.

Same fucker, you down him with your gun, his sister starts calling for help, they have allies that could very well threaten your life if you let her, so you gun her. That's gray as fuck.

Is your level of agression, of violence, still logical with your right of self preservation? Where does your moral gut response to a possibly lethal situation stops and when do you start becoming intentionally violent?

Actions are often strings of smaller actions and just because the first one is moral and justified doesn't mean the last one is.

There is a lot of gray.

>>158420017
Take small steps. Have him beat someone first, he thinks it's okay so the next time it's necessary he does it with less remorse and restraint. The next time killing is justifiable because someone pulled a knife so he goes for lethal force.

Eventually killing is just something he'd do because it's the cleanest way to get something done in a violent situation where other people or the risk of getting caught isn't involved.

>>158420017
>too troubled by killing people
I find this meme infuriating. Not because of the lack of killing, but because the hero is suddenly being gifted with the creativity of a brick.

I bet I can write complete fucking monster with 'you shalt not kill' as a core moral code.