ITT: Arcs that marked the downfall of a series

but android saga was great. All of DBZ had a good run

saiyan arc 8/10
Namek arc 10/10
androids 9/10
buu 8/10

This arc turned into such garbage when Toriyama started humoring his editor by giving Cell new forms. At least we got Satan.

>>158403570
The android saga sucks. It has the most objective issues out of all the arcs.

>>158403716
It had Piccolo take the lead for a moment, that alone made it great

>>158403716
post them

>>158403765
And then it ended as fast as it came.

Fuck. This. Shit.

>>158403801
>Time travel plot holes
>Shitty one-dimensional villains
>Gohan being an out of character pacifist
>Final fight wasn't even an actual fight
>Gohan randomly steals the spotlight
>Future Trunks being far more of a plot device than an actual character
>A bunch of smaller issues like Piccolo's moronic plan to save Goku from #19

shit arc

>>158403823
life's not fair :(

>>158403570
saiyan arc 9/10
Namek arc 10/10
androids 5/10 (and only for epic gohan ss2)
buu 2/10

>>158403570
Saiyan arc: 7/10
Namek arc: 6/10
Android arc: 4/10
Buu arc: 3/10

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>>158404294
>>Time travel plot holes
ok
>>Shitty one-dimensional villains
they were always like that
>>Gohan being an out of character pacifist
he was always like that
>>Final fight wasn't even an actual fight
that's relative
>>Gohan randomly steals the spotlight
this was already expected from the beginning of the Z saga, and I liked it, ending as a side character would be silly.
>>Future Trunks being far more of a plot device than an actual character
nah, he even had special chapters to complete his own story.
>>A bunch of smaller issues like Piccolo's moronic plan to save Goku from #19
he's a fighter

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Reminder that Cell should have been the end of DBZ and Buu Arc fucking sucked. Goku's first true enemy the Red Ribbon Army came back and was defeated by his son, with Goku dying in the process and Gohan taking his place.

>buu arc plot is a carbon copy of android/cell arc plot
>evil old bastard is going to wake up his creation and destroy the world
>heroes warned in advance
>they fuck up and the monster is let loose
>evil guy killed by his own creation
>buu is literally pink cell, he absorbs things to transform and regenerates
>buu arc introduced goten, a generic goku clone that only existed to be a substitute for dead goku
>not one retarded asspull fusion ability, but two different kinds
>two toddlers can go super saiyan for no reason
>they go super saiyan 3 for some reason, something goku could only achieve because he was dead and couldn't run out of energy

Face it Buu arc was GT lite.

>>158408103
>he was always like that
Nope

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>>158408208
Gohan was always a huge pussy until his tard rage he inherited from Chi-Chi kicked in you dumb Superbaby.

>>158408208
he was never a fan of fights, he was a coward, he only fought the times he was forced to protect people, unlike goku, who was fighting for fun.

>>158408313
Chi-chi tard rage is 90% filler, boyo.

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>>158404294
>Piccolo's moronic plan to save Goku from #19
He feigned getting hurt by Gero's eye lasers so that the Gero would be distracted trying to steal his energy for the rest of them to gang up on 19.
People only think it was a moronic plan because the english dub butchered Piccolo's lines.

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>>158403496
everything after friezas death was crap.

they wrote themselves into a corner by making freeza the "strongest villian in the universe"

how do you invent a good villain after that...how do you follow that act.

hero trains and fights strong opponent...wins.
hero trains and fights stronger opponent...
repeat until your heroes and villians can literally explode planets and the plot holes multiply like plot bunnies

>>158408379
You are legit retarded.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlKanTnrtTs

>>158404294
Don't forget the whole Dr.Gero/RRA thing
I refuse to believe Dr. Gero is from the original RRA from Dragon Ball

>>158408403
>how do you invent a good villain after that...how do you follow that act.
I dunno, to make the protagonist, with the help of his son, protect the planet he loves, from a villain who represents the sum of all the biggest villains he has ever faced is quite cool to me.

Boo saga is the real mistake. A fun mistake, but a mistake anyway.

>>158408103
>this was already expected from the beginning of the Z saga
And it was still shit
Gohan didn't have to train nearly as much as Goku/Vegeta and he randomly was given power-up's all the time

>>158408205
Nope
Cell saga was trash
Freeza Saga should have been the last one

I will fucking kill you for trying to associate that old geezer Dr. Gero with based RRA you fucking nigger

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>>158408592
Stay mad cunt

>>158408425
That looks like reasonable anger, not tard rage. Tard rage is more along the lines of your previous pic, which Toei had no qualms exaggerating it. E.g. your previous pic.

Also next time you want to argue this, link to manga. Your scene is mostly canon but it's pointless in this disscussion

>>158408403
>they wrote themselves into a corner by making freeza the "strongest villian in the universe"
No, they fuck themselves by forgetting the plot should be revolved around the damn Dragon Balls like it was on Namek/Freeza saga. This is the major reason why Cell/Buu saga suck...they lack the adventure aspect of searching for the Dragon Balls/preventing the villains from getting them which was the core aspect of the series until then

>>158408556
You're probably the kind of guy who looks for perfect logic in everything, right? The kind of guy who thinks Monster Gon from HxH is a shitty asspull. I don't judge you, you're not wrong to think this way, but for me, if the cool element is well done, fuck the logic.

>>158408618
>Saiyanlets
WHEN WILL THEY LEARN?

>>158408618
Trash
It literally made Krillin of all character an unlikeable prick by having him betray his friends/earth for Robot pussy

Absolute fucking garbage of an arc

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>>158408592
>I will fucking kill you for trying to associate that old geezer Dr. Gero with based RRA you fucking nigger
Toriyama already did.

>>158408208
actually watch the series

even a dubfag shouldn't have trouble understanding this

>>158408535
they just had to NOT make freeza the "strongest in the universe" and then they could have good villians that dont have to be ridiculously overpowered on both sides. the arms race between heroes and villians was escalated too fast.

also I think making vegeta be able to destroy an entire planet in the saiyan arc was too much. if they wanted to have a showdown like that then just have vegeta be able to blow up a large city, its not like goku wouldnt try to save it

>>158408653
>if the cool element is well done, fuck the logic.
t. Tite Kubo

>>158408673
This. Krillin was so much of a bro before that arc.

>>158408637
this is also very true, good point

I havent even bothered to watch dragon ball super, i cant take any more disappointment

>>158403496
>>158403621
>>158403716
>>158404294
>>158407022
>>158407848
>>158408403
>>158408592
>>158408673
>In this topic, the boring opinions of contrarians who hate on the series most beloved arc.

>>158408678
Don't give a fucking shit. Dr.Gero is fucking gay and shouldn't be associated with RRA.

It also doesn't make sense that somebody from Earth was able to create nanorobots so strong that they could record Goku's and Freeza's moves without getting fucking destroyed by the energy radiating from that fight and Namek exploding. Fuck this shit it's retarded.

>>158408751
>I havent even bothered to watch dragon ball super,
Then you are miss out on the best part of Dragonball ever.

>>158408757
>most beloved arc
By who? By toonamifags who self-inserted into a pathetic beta character like Gohan?

>>158408708
I said well done (Toriyama is a motherfuckin storyteller), not just well drawn (Kubo should be working in fashion magazines).

>>158408751
Dropped Super after the first episode
>"Muh river water present for Videl's birthday"
>Goten and Trunks struggling against a fucking snake
>Goku even getting worried Goten was falling off of a cliff when Goten can fucking fly and even he does fall nothing will happen to him since he has Planet-tier durability
Fucking garbage

>>158408757
Who fucking cares about "well beloved" or "positively recieved". Form your own opinion, fucking drone. Bring arguments next time instead of mass linking.

>>158408807
>using beta seriously in a sentence.
You are too much of a idiot to even intelligently debate.

>>158408807
You do realize that Gohan is basically the most popular DB character in the world right? His character wasn't ruined until the garbage Buu saga.

>>158408864
But that is Kubo's motto anon
Either way Gohan was a character with no personality who Toriyama shoved down our throats. He literally had nothing going on for him other than "muh potential" which made him bland and forgettable.

It's why he tries to give Gohan a personality in the Buu saga with the Great Saiyaman shtick.

>>158408924
>Gohan was a character with no personality who Toriyama shoved down our throats

That's not Goten.

>>158404294
>>158408103
1 dimensional is too nice. Pre-Cell arc antagonists are 1 dimensional. Cell arc and onwards have dots as villains.

>>158408900
>Says the one massively invested in proving the superiority of their own opinion.

>>158408922
>You do realize that Gohan is basically the most popular DB character in the world right?
Nope. He doesn't come close to Goku and Vegeta


>His character wasn't ruined until the garbage Buu saga.
That's implying Gohan had a character which he didn't. In Buu saga Tori finally tried to give him some personality but it didn't work.

Gohan has always been shit from the beginning and only teenage edgelord faggots who wank to his SS2 form like him

>>158408673
This shit made me legit dislike Kuririn when I originally saw it.

>>158408958
Goten has more of a character than Gohan. Helps that he has Trunks to bounce off of though.

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>>158408981
Goku and Vegeta are only the most popular characters in Japan friendo. Fat Buu and Goten were the most popular DB characters in Japan before Super and BoG came out.

>>158408960
Still better then every villain in Naruto, Bleach and Hunter x Hunter with their sob stories

>>158409004
>all of his friends beaten half to death
>gets kissed by 18
>doesn't even give a fuck about his friends
>refuses to blow her up because "she kissed me waaaah i might have a shot at her pussy"
I will never not be mad

>>158403496
it was pure Kino up to Cell Games.

>>158409034
>Fat Buu and Goten were the most popular DB characters in Japan
This sounds like you're basing it off of shitty popularity charts from WSJ which is borderline inaccurate.

Goku is the most iconic DB character worldwide period.

>>158408770
He didn't get anything from Namek.
He got Freeza's DNA from mecha-Freeza on Earth.
But I agree on how nonsensical it is that some scientist could create something many times stronger than Freeza.

>>158408757
replying to ten people...*pats your head* aww, do you need some attention sweetie?

its okay, you still exist. :)

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>>158409012
>goten was more a character than gohan
jesus tapdancing christ the levels that you human waste will go to be epic contrarians on an anonymous imageboard

>>158408961
Who are you quoting

>>158409037
Not very on-topic but k

>>158408960
It worked with Cell because he was an android with the single minded purpose of becoming more powerful and destroying the universe and had Vegeta and Freeza's destructive personalities.
Buu isnt even a fucking dot.

>>158409108
>Why is Freeza so much stronger then everyone else?
>Because alien.
>That is somehow totally believable
>Why are the androids so much stronger then everyone else?
>Because of advance technology by a genius scientist who worked non-stop for nearly 20 years on them on a much more advanced Earth.
>That is somehow totally unbelievable.

>>158409004
>>158409048
>wah why didnt a character that is generally against killing not kill this helpless cyborg that spared all if his friends early and meant no harm

>>158409210
I'd have to agree with you there. It's probably part of what makes Cell better than the androids. Cell has a justification for being simple-minded whereas 18 and 17 were motivated by ??? They had room to explore their free will vs programming (we never even knew if they were programmed, if it's even possible) or their angst of being manipulated against their will (which manifested by trying to do exactly what they were modified to do). 18 behaves like a normal person later so I guess it was a tantrum? Honestly the actual robot was more relatable.

>>158409142
At least Goten is the reason for Gotenks

>>158408103
Am I seeing that right? Dende was the 10th most popular character in Dragon Ball? Why?

>>158409108
>He got Freeza's DNA from mecha-Freeza on Earth.
Which is bullshit since we saw Trunks literally turn Freeza to dust

>>158408673
>Robot pussy
It was more because he thought that her kissing him and them all around not being /complete/ homicidal fucks showed that they weren't the insane murder machines from Trunks' time and he didn't wanna off what he viewed as people who could change. It was less "I want that puss" and more "maybe they aren't evil and don't deserve to be blown the fuck up"

>>158409401
>why didnt a character that is generally against killing
BULL FUCKING SHIT
Krillin was about to fucking kill Vegeta in Saiyan saga if it wasn't for Goku convincing him otherwise

Krillin was butchered in the Cell saga. End of.
Kill yourself

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>>158403496
Here's a much better example.

>>158409466
Because Denhan is canon.

>>158409359
It really doesn't make sense. It especially doesn't make sense that Dr. Gero came from RRA and was supposedly that obsessed with killing Goku when

1.
>He wasn't even there in the original RRA
2
>RRA's goal in Dragon Ball was gathering the Dragon Balls so that Commander Red could wish to be tall

>Red Ribbon Army arc
>Saiyan arc
>22nd Tenkaichi Budokai arc
>Hunt for the Dragon Balls arc

POWER GAP

>21st Tenkaichi Budokai arc
>Namek arc
>23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc

POWER ARC

>Android arc
>Piccolo Daimao arc
>Buu arc

>>158403496

Actually Z would have been fantastic had it ended with Cell arc

>>158409635
>power arc
Writing too much about DB is bad for the brain

>>158409547
>Vegeta: killed his friends and was a total asshole
>18: Didn't kill his friends and didn't do anything evil at all.
>But let's not care about context

>>158409529
Yet he was so enamoured with her when she kissed him and completely forgot about his friends. Not to mention that he could have revived her with the Dragon Balls anyways.

Keep defending this shit Cellcucks

>>158409547
Krillin only tried to kill Vegeta because he was a threat you fucking faggot. 18 was not

>>158409670
16, 17 and 18 were literally searching to kill Goku you fucking retard

>>158409606
>moving the goal posts.

>>158409635
>Piccolo Daimao saga below Android saga
What the fucking shit? Piccolo Daimao saga is what Android/Cell saga desperately wishes it could be. It has all that heavy emotion and tense/dark atmosphere which Cell saga utterly failed at capturing

>>158409709
>18 was not
Are you fucking retarded?
Trunks literally told them 17 and 18 were threats and that they destroyed the fucking future. 16, 17 & 18's mission was to kill Goku too and they were searching for him.

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>>158409606
>He wasnt even in the original RRA
Reminder Dr.Flappe was non canon toei filler.

>>158409763
It doesn't make sense though. You would think Bulma/Capsule Corp would have made some Piccolo or Goku robots by now following that logic

I truly wish murder was legal so I could find you contrarians and slaughter you for opposing the objective truths I'm trying to reveal to you all.

>>158409800
It's was boring. Piccolo was small-time as a villain and the Ultra Divine Water is the biggest asspull in the series.

>>158409862
Did you forget the highway scene were Krillin saw the androids spare his friends? 17 had been absorbed by Cell at the point that Krillin could have killed 18 and 16 was too badly damaged to be a threat. It pretty clear at that point that they didnt care about killing Goku anymore.

>>158403570
>All of DBZ had a good run

DBZ was garbage. Not even spic fanboys think that shitshow was unironically good.

>>158409909
>Piccolo was small-time as a villain

He's literally the only villain to have succeeded in getting a wish from the dragon balls.

>>158409718
>>158409908
>OP is a intolerant psychopath.

>>158409869
I don't see how that has to do with anything I said. It's sad that Flappe is more believable than Gero though.

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>>158409359
I know this is bait, but eh...

ever since the Saiyan Saga it's been established that

1. Earth is a planet full of weaklings so much, that a lower-class warrior from the PTO can stomp the two strongest beings on the planet without even trying

2. Earth is a backwater planet with inferior technology to the highly advanced aliens

so ye. A scientist from Earth, whose previous masterpiece had been an android like Nol. 8, designing murderbots who could one-shot Freeza IS fucking retarded even for Dragon Ball.

to make matters worse, Freeza himself comes back with cybernetic modifications as well (made by much better tech) and jobs just to hype up the new threat.

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>>158409908
>>158409957
I cant even comprehend how fucking mad someone would have to be to shitpost like this.
Goten fucking sucked.
Gohan was the most popular Z character.
Buu is garbage.
Cell wasn't bad.

>>158403570

Saiyan Arc is a 10/10
Everything after falls 1 point lower as the series continues

>>158409684
Nobody except Piccolo ever gets meta enough to acknowledge lifes are worth next to nothing.

>>158409949
>Did you forget the highway scene were Krillin saw the androids spare his friends?
And then they said that they were looking for Goku

Way to ignore the fact that they could be revived with the Dragon Balls. That forced drama bullshit from Krillin's part was pure cringe.

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>Krillin kills 18
>Cell says BG and self destructs
>Dragon Ball ends right there

>>158409909
>Piccolo was small-time as a villain
Are you retarded? He's the only one who succeeded on taking over Earth, he named Earth Day "Piccolo Day", he beat Goku twice, he killed most of Goku's friends, he's the only one to be granted a wish from Shenron and than he fucking killed the Dragon itself.

Not to mention how he terrorized Planet Earth in the past and that Roshi's old master "Master Mutaito" sealed him on a Rice Cooker etc.


Piccolo Daimao saga was GOAT compared to garbage like Cell

>>158410011
>that a lower-class warrior from the PTO can stomp the two strongest beings on the planet without even trying.
Except that Goku and Piccolo were a match for Raditz. Remember the Special Beam Cannon? It was him being faster that was the problem.
> A scientist from Earth, whose previous masterpiece had been an android like Nol. 8, designing murderbots who could one-shot Freeza
You're forgetting that Gero was spying on everyone during the entire Saiyan Saga so he'd probably learned how to up his game and overcome the power curve.

>>158409972
Not him but I'd measure a villain's quality in it's impact on the narrative for the better instead how cool or strong he was. Otherwise, he'd get dwarfed by anything after him. Piccolo definitely worked in some aspects and brought a lot of twists on the tablet but I feel that, for me at least, he didn't measure up overall.

>>158410014
Cell is garbage
Gohan is trash
Goten isn't great but at least he's better than Gohan
Buu wasn't good but at least more tolerable than Cell Saga

Freeza Saga was the lest great saga

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>>158409972
forgetting someone?

>>158410099
Huh, didn't consider that. I guess its good that Krillin thought with his dick.

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>>158410217
upboated you are le enlightened gentlemen with cool n edgy contrarian taste

>>158410178
Your opinion isn't objective fact no matter how hard you force it.

>>158410184
>Except that Goku and Piccolo were a match for Raditz.
They're literally Aliens not Humans and they weren't fucking stronger than Raditz you mega-faggot.

Makankosappo(and other technique) simply boosts your power level for a temporary time. You clearly forget how power levels work

>>158410029
Namek was better

>>158410217
>Freeza Saga was the lest great saga
>5 minutes on Namek.
>Fake Namek and crap filler.
>unimpressive artwork in the manga
It was just a shit.

>>158410260
Back to >>>/r/eddit with you Cellfag

>>158410257
>contrarian
Nope, this is the popular opinion on /a/
Go back to >>>/r/eddit you filthy Toonamifag

If you use the term contrarian indiscriminately you might as well admit you have no arguments.

>>158410227
Non-canon

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>>158410393
you are pathetic

>>158410349
>unimpressive artwork in the manga
Cell saga was 1000 worse

5 minutes on Namek is far more entertaining than anything the pathetic Cell saga has to offer

>>158410364
>>158410393
>I must counter every single poster who disagrees with me because my ego is fragile and can't handle other opinions

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>>158410184
> Except that Goku and Piccolo were a match for Raditz. Remember the Special Beam Cannon? It was him being faster that was the problem.

Raditz was stomping their asses lol

they won because, Raditz

1) didn't take them seriously
2) didn't know about Gohan's hidden potential

the moment Raditz got even a bit serious he instantly broke Goku's ribs

> You're forgetting that Gero was spying on everyone during the entire Saiyan Saga so he'd probably learned how to up his game and overcome the power curve

how does that even make sense? besides, Gero's creations would not only murder everyone in the Saiyan Saga, they'd absolutely sissify everyone from Namek as well and his very best murderbot could even keep up with someone who one-shot Kamiccolo.
that's like planning to make a rifle that could defend you from burglars, but end up creating a fucking thermonuclear missile.

>>158410349
The artwork literally gets consistently worse as it goes on since the Saiyan arc. Android arc is 10 times worse and Buu arc's doodles rival Togashi's.

>>158410513
>that's like planning to make a rifle that could defend you from burglars, but end up creating a fucking thermonuclear missile.
>What is a mad scientist?
Marvel and DC comic ones do that all the time.

>>158410513
I don't understand why people gets so upset about Gero and the Androids.
DB science is ridiculous.
Bulma created capsules that could shrink anything when she was just a teenager, and later built a fucking time machine

>>158410592
22nd Budokai is the best of Toriyama's round artwork.
Android arc is the best of his spiky one.

>>158408396
>so that the Gero would be distracted trying to steal his energy for the rest of them to gang up on 19.

Piccolo feigned unconsciousness so he could sneak past Gero and save Goku.

>>158410758
only in the retarded english dub

>>158410649
context is important

again

> "ever since the Saiyan Saga it's been established that

1. Earth is a planet full of weaklings so much, that a lower-class warrior from the PTO can stomp the two strongest beings on the planet without even trying

2. Earth is a backwater planet with inferior technology to the highly advanced aliens "

>>158410793
which is the only version that matters, weeb

>>158409359
Freezer isn't strong because he's an alien, he's strong because he's a mutant alien prodigee. Know your shit.

>>158410184
You're fucking retarded.

>The two strongest people on the entire planet aren't even humans and they struggle in a 2 (actually 3) v 1 against the weakest Freeza's soldier ever seen.

>>158410843
>with inferior technology to the highly advanced aliens
Then why didn't Freeza make his own Dragon Ball radar to find them?

>>158410649
>Bulma created capsules that could shrink anything when she was just a teenager
Nope, that was dr. brief, her father. She invented the dragon radar though when she was a teenager.

>>158410892
Raditz was weaker than Appule?

>>158410793
No, the english dub said some shit about Vegeta interfering with Piccolo's attack.

It was obvious in the manga that Piccolo was trying to fake Gero out and get to Goku.

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>>158410843
>Earth is a backwater planet with inferior technology to the highly advanced aliens

Uh Bulma's spaceship was way faster than Vegeta and Nappa's and Cyborg Freeza was held together with old junk and duct tape.

>>158410944
>Uh Bulma's spaceship was way faster than Vegeta and Nappa's and Cyborg Freeza was held together with old junk and duct tape.
She used goku spaceship to build her spaceship.

>>158410886
>mutant alien prodigee
>translation: because the plot says so.

>>158410922
we don't even know how much time it took for Bulma to create one lol

Freeza just went to Namek pretty much he moment he's heard about it.

>>158410935
Yes

>pre-Cell Games Gohan sees friends getting beat up
>charges in there like a bamf and attacks the villain
>Cell Games Gohan sees friends getting beat up
>"W-WHAT DO I DO, OH MY GAWD I'M SO SCARED AND CAN'T DO ANYTHING SOMEONE HELP ME WAAAAAAAAH"

Cell Games singlehandedly ruined Gohan's character.

>>158411041
That's sad.

>>158410944
> and Cyborg Freeza was held together with old junk and duct tape.

Freeza was a dismembered torso with a single arm and half his face to begin with lol

>>158410982
>Goku has black hair
>translation: Because the plot says so

Can't you see how retarded you sound?

>>158403570
Saiyan Arc = 8/10
Namek Arc = 9/10
Cell Arc = 8/10
Buu Arc = 10/10

>>158411066
>gohan hides like a bitch while his friends are getting slaughtered by nappa
>only really gets in the fight when he gets angry because piccolo is hurt
>hides like a bitch from dodoria until dende is about to die and charged in rage
>hides like a bitch from frieza until he gets angry
>only fights cell because goku forced him into it and goes into a rage when the cell jrs are killing is friends and 16 gets crushed

>>158411137
>goes into a rage when the cell jrs are killing is friends

no he doesn't, he just stands there and does nothing

>>158411226
he was crying and getting angrier by the minute with the cell jrs
16's speech just pushed him over the edge

>>158410722
I'd say 23rd for round artwork but we're still pretty close.

But you have to be blind about the spiky artwork, come on. I'm assuming you're including Saiyan and Namek arcs.

>>158411104
Why is Freeza so much stronger then ever when else? Why can he transform yet still be holding back most of power? How can he survive in the vacuum. Toriyama doesn't give us an explanation because he was thinking no deeper then "Isn't this cool and suspenseful?". So yes, because the plot says so is correct.

>>158409972
What about Frieza's minions?

>>158411261
>But you have to be blind about the spiky artwork
>People have different valid opinions about art, News at 11.

>>158411259
>he was crying and getting angrier by the minute with the cell jrs

and doing nothing else. why didn't he attack?

>>158411333
he did after he went into super tard rage 2 mode

>>158411066
It completed his arc. He never liked fighting but always pushed back when shit got real (Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Recoome, Freeza, the future Androids).

>>158411274
>Why is Freeza so much stronger then ever when else?

Because he's a mutant, and at the time he was the strongest of the universe. Think about it, he was just one person on all universe with that kind of power.

>Why can he transform yet still be holding back most of power?

The last transformation it's his base form, he uses the others to contain his power.

>How can he survive in the vacuum.

His race is capable of that.

>>158411391
but why not before? why did he wait until he was stronger when he never did before in situations like this?

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>>158411274
why is it possible for Saiyans to get stronger after recuperation?

why are aliens so much more advanced than humans?

why can Namekians regenerate?

> why can he transform yet still be holding back most of power?

okay, that's an actually good point

as cool looking the second and third forms were, they were pretty much unnecessary

>>158403716

I think Cell was a great villain as far as "muh creation" goes. However, him absorbing mechanically enhanced humans despite him not being mechanical is rather strange.

Cell > Freeza > buu > saiyan

>>158411631
I don't understand how anyone could rank the Saiyan arc last.

>>158411586
toriyama stated that 17 and 18 were turned into cyborgs at a cellular level

>Gero: Synthetic Cyborg
>17 and 18: Cellular Androids
>16 and 19: Synthetic Androids
>Cell: Bio-mechanical Android

>>158411669
Because Vegeta is better as an anti-hero then as a villain.

>>158411713
*Cellular Cyborgs

>>158411713

So, is that like nanomachines then? Or were their bombs like chemicals?

>>158411669
Because it's a whole lot of fucking nothing outside of the radditz and nappa/vegeta fight

>>158411859
midichlorians

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>>158411859
Eh Toriyama never really explained the bombs.
Honestly he just makes shit up at random and forgets later, so I wouldn't take the cellular cyborg thing as canon.

>>158412400
trunks is hot

>>158403570
The Android arc got boring to me as soon as Cell stopped being a creepy horror movie villain.

I liked the Buu arc more overall, despite its issues and occasionally lazy art.

>>158412400
Vegeta looks high. Lmao.

>>158411333
He was afraid of cutting loose and self-conscious about the fate of everything resting on him. He feels hopeless, but gradually loses his shit entirely -- which is exactly what Cell was hoping for.

>>158410332

I can't blame you if you think that, it's a great arc. It's just far too long for my taste.

Plus I'll take Goku vs Vegeta over Goku vs Frieza.

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>>158409554
sensui being stronger than he had any right to be was the beginning of the end for yyh. There was so much asspulling during that fight that I dropped the series after sensui got beat and didn't finish it till 10 years later. Really would have liked to see how YYH would have ended had togashi not been suckered into continuing the series

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>>158409554
>genkai taught him to resist being tempted like toguro was
>whole story was about how toguro became a demon and lost his humanity for power, and yusuke finally defeated toguro and released him from his "curse"
>LOL NOW YUSUKE IS THE DEMONS

>>158410477
Fuck off shitbird, >>158410178 is right

I liked androids more than Namek.

I don't know why people like Namek so much. It's all a big game of hide the dragon balls and then Goku fights Freeza.

>>158413154
why would he be afraid of cutting loose? he was never scared of his power before

>>158416536
nice headcanon

>>158416779
name one instance before cell games where gohan was scared of his hidden power

>>158404294
It honestly just boils down to the tournament part being utter shit.

>>158417498
Yeah, the Cell Games was awful. Worst part of DBZ.

>>158415799
>I don't know why people like Namek so much. It's all a big game of hide the dragon balls and then Goku fights Freeza.
That's the point. Vegeta being a third party and the good guys being lead by fucking Krillin made it even better. Also, GINYU

>>158415445
No, he not.
>>158417643
No, it's not.