Does /a/ actually prefers Stay Night over Zero or is it just a meme ?
>>158385202
Both are shit
Stay night because it has the superior Caster
If you're referring to the adaptations DEEN's 2006 anime is a mediocre mashup of 3 routes, Zero has horrendous pacing and animation errors out the ass, the UBW film was a mess albeit entertaining, and the UBW anime is an atrocity with all the anime-original garbage they crammed in.
Ufotable might have shinier animation but believe it or not DEEN's is more competently directed. Neither are very faithful to the source, though if you asked me yeah I preferred Stay/Night.
>>158385202
The VN is still the best.
The problem is the continuing miscommunication between strongly vocal 'camps' that disavow the validity and/or value of the other, rather than state anything of substance about the nature of the works themselves.
There are many 'versions' of both works. It is meaningless to say something like "FSN is bad" if your sole experience with the work is the visual novel. In the same right, it is meaningless to say "FZ is bad" if your sole experience with the work is the anime. No, the Fate Zero anime does not have as much textual substance as the FSN VN. Of course it doesn't. It's not a visual novel.
There is no value in speaking on either work unless you are familiar with the totality of one or the other. How many people, do you truly imagine, have actually sat down for 30+ hours to listen to the Fate/Zero sound drama? How many people have seen the manga adaptations of FSN? How many people have read the Fate/Zero novels? How many people have read through all of the potential decisions in the FSN VN?
What is the purpose of hearing - much less responding to - the views on both works of someone who is not familiar with all of the aspects of both works?
I will not posit a view because of the implications of the above: what are the chances that a person critically responding to my perspective will have met the prerequisites necessary to create an informed opinion?
>>158385531
fpbp
>>158385531
Go back to Re:Zero and Aot threads faggot.
>>158385202
No zero is the best thing fate has brought
In terms of story zero>>>stay night>stay ubw
In terms of fights zero>>>stay ubw>stay night
>>158385202
HF > FZ > UBW > fateThings were so much simpler when that was all you ever needed to know.
I have only seen the anime adaptations and I would say Zero is far better. I had more fun and Irisviel>Illyasviel, Kiritsugu>Shirou, Rider was best bro and there was more Kirei. In FSN Saber and Rin feel like boring archetypes
>>158385202
You're probably a fucking retard that didn't play the VN. You're missing between one and two thirds of /stay Night, jackass.
>>158386229
>ranking fights
What are you, a child?
>>158386386
>>158385939
>>158386276
>VN
I played the VN before Zero was even an anime.
Strange/Fake>>>Zero>>Stay Night>>>Apocrypha>>>Shit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anything related to Grand Order.
You can just watch the anime for Zero and get a pretty good experience. It's entry level. Though it also has its own unique advantages over F/SN, a lot of it is just being a sensible viewing experience. Which certainly isn't bad.
You need to play the VN to experience Fate Stay/Night. There is no way around it. And trying to go through the VN can be a mess, anyway. That goes double if you have prior experience on the series. Watching Zero, UBW, or the 2006 series will spoil a lot of the story.
But if you can bother, the VN is great. Does a lot of interesting stuff, even if it's kind of old hat by now.
I prefer Stay night because VNs are better then anime for me, way more immersive.
Zero I already knew he dies and had a bad ending, didnt care for anyone, zero is probably way better if you are a secondary and dont know the ending
>>158386485
Dies Irae > all of these
>>158386465
>posts picture of a literally who loli
>calls people a child
>>158386485
>doesn't even mention Extra
You're a fucking faker.
>>158386619
>literally who loli
>>158386485
If nothing else, you correctly ranked Grand Order.
>>158386635
Extra/CCC didn't happen. They're TM's GT.
>>158386635
>choose between 2 waifus and that guy you've seen a million times already
It's shit.
>>158386652
Sakura falls in love with Shiro.
Unable to confess, the wormslut is gifted by a deus ex machina with the boy's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, she immediately calls him, and is overjoyed to find out that he has a crush on her as well.
But, the next day, when the educated prostitute recounts the previous day's confessions to the boy, he only looks at her with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, she finds out that the boy she called is not the same boy she fell in love with. In fact, he doesn't exist in this universe at all. He is the alternate universe counterpart of her crush, who has fallen in love with her AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of his crush.
Hijinks ensue as they strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip each other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of FISH.
>Sakur-Ai! Because, you know, she's Sakura and it's a love story. Get it, get it?
>>158386678
No, that's Tsukihime.
>>158386699
Best girls in the series and Gil at his finest.
>>158386485
>Apocrypha above Grand Order
ahah, yeah right.
>>158386744
>Gil
The curse of being EOP.
A serious, non-memeing answer:
They are two completely different works that have their own merits, so neither is really better than the other. F/Z is a tragedy, meant to instill a sense of catharsis from watching everyone fail at their ambitions and dreams. F/SN is an inspirational story about ideals, with three routes that explore three different answers. Fate is a message about supporting others to help achieve your ideals, UBW is pressing on with your ideals against heavy opposition, HF is the courage to abandon your ideals for new ones.
>>158386954
Thats a description not an answer.
>>158387032
>neither is really better than the other
>not an answer
kill yourself
really, you should do it
>>158387032
>neither is really better than the other
>>158387059
>>158387058
Thats a non answer for faggots too afraid to commit to anything.
>>158387032
>>158387058
Stay night is clearly better.
>>158387078
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/answer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku#Ritual
>>158387078
I genuinely believe neither one is superior to the other. I PREFER Stay Night, but I don't think it's any better than Fate/Zero. I don't like tragedies.
>>158385202
Only embarrassing fatescucks like fate more since they dedicated days reading their porn novel. everyone else knows zero is a vastly superior show.
>>158386485
Strange Fake is literally the hipster choice
>>158386276
HF >Fate >UBW >F/Z
>>158387991
It is the correct choice. The desired choice.
>>158385202
Yes, Urobuchi is a hack. Only secondaries actually think F/Z is good, big TM fans all know it's shit.
From what I seen, Stay Night is very much better than Fate/Zero. In Zero, the characters besides Rider/Waver barely had any personality besides their ideology, and there was no development for them. I don't know, but even when I only seen the UBW adaptation, I could tell that the author put much more effort into making his character more dimensional and make them have poignant character arcs and than of course the visual novel proved that to be true. Although even if Rin was my favourite in the UBW anime, they omitted a lot about her character and her character conflict (same with a lot of characters like the mc for example), but regardless, I prefer Stay Night
>>158386610
Muramasa > Fate/Zero >>>>>> Fate/Stay Night >>>>>> Dies
Sorry, Muramasa is the superior hero/villain philosophical story.
>>158388069
It isn't even finished and most people who rank it higher didn't even read the damn thing. It's literally a meme
>>158385202
lol at trying to make S/N as bad as possible by throwing Carnival Phantasm scenes into S/N images you might as well place the card game instead of the king game scene and Saber in the maid outfit instead of Gil just chilling while looking at her since they are the same episodes.
>>158388135
>meme
Kill yourself.
>>158385202
It's a meme like /tv/ with BvS.
>>158388387
I don't know much about crossboard memes, but BvS was undeniably the best live action superhero film yet.
>>158388351
>getting triggered over a word
wew
FSN has more Seiba so it's better
>>158385636
>wahh anime original content in UBW
I hear this all the time, but no one says what they specifically didnt like. Here are some anime original scenes:
Illya backstory, which offers a cool look into the Einzbern household
Caster backstory, which fleshes out how she was summoned and met Kuzuki
Kuzuki backstory, which gave the least fleshed out character in the franchise at least some background
The epilogue episode, which was just fun, and doesnt mess up the rest of the story
>>158386386
>>158385947
I played through every VN route along with every potential decision or Bad End back in 2008, long before the Zero anime came out, and caved into marathoning the Zero novel back when the Zero anime was on its seventh episode.
Zero > Stay Night
Still looking for a book, not necessarily a VN or anything Japanese, that's similar to Zero.
Tsukihime and KnK were better than either. DDD has the potential to be too, not that Nasu will ever finish it.
>>158389139
>KnK
>good
No.
>>158388750
>Kuzuki backstory, which gave the least fleshed out character in the franchise at least some background
Kuzuki's background is already explored in HA 10 times better, but aside from that scene the rest was fine, what you have to understand is that they do not need a valid reason to shitpost.
>>158389207
Good argument.
>>158385202
both had a shitty end but i liked zero more , is the VN actually good or its just a meme that wants me to waste 50 hours of my life ?
>>158389139
Tsukihime is amateurish as shit. Next thing you'll say that you like Ryukishi07 writing. KnK is fine nothing really that great about it.
>>158389345
That's right anon, for over a decade people have only discussed FSN ironically in the hopes of tricking people into reading the VN when no one actually likes it.
HF=F/Z>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UBW>Fate
AndTsukihime>FSN
>>158389439
Finally the truth comes out.
>>158389389
And yet despite being amateurish, they're still better written than either FSN or F/Z.
Both suck, but Fate Stay Night at least had character progression.
>>158389548
If you think that then there is really no hope for you. F/SN is a million times better.
Stick to Dies and Ryukishi07, faggot.
Zero falls apart when you start scrutinizing it with anything more than a glance. Most of its characters are weak, with only exceptions being those ported over from Fate. Fate itself holds up better, given that it actually explores its themes instead of wanking off to characters acting out of character so Uro can jerk.
Feast of kings if best example of this. If you actually start thinking about arguments presented, story's favorite Iskander starts sounding like an idiot, to say nothing of Saber doing 180 on her Fate characterization just because Urobuchi likes bullying.
Literally quality aside, holy shit are UBW fights better. I usually don't give a shit about visual spectacle, but i had to drop my Zero rewatch on Saber vs Deermund. It's just so damn slow compared to explosiveness of Fate fights that its actually hard to watch.
>>158389663
This. Uro's writing is the kind of thing that would get good grades in a screenwriting class, but not something that will have a significant impact on anyone or really even be remembered in the future
>>158389625
Tsukihime is the superior VN
>>158389663
Also, Urobuchi cant keep abilities consistent. How the fuck does Saber transform a motorcycle? She has no ability that even comes close to doing that. Berserker can apparently shapeshift, an ability he uses once toward the end of the story. So its really just an asspull.
>>158389890
First it apparently combination of Saber using Prana Burst and Riding. Second is same ability that kept Berserker's stats hidden, but due his madness it can be only used as shapeshifting by the order of command seal.
>>158389967
The Berserker thing is true and valid, but you 100% know that the motorcycle was just the butcher jerking himself off to how cool a mega-motorcycle dodging rocks and doing 360° spins while driving 300km/h would be.
>>158389450
>F/Z being equal and/or better than Amy VN route
lol no
>>158389760
>but not something that will have a significant impact on anyone or really even be remembered in the future
Urobuchi on his own can't create something popular that would resonate with the masses, his brand of pandering is niche. Even in his home industry it's pretty niche, he was simply "that" guy. But since Madoka, producers realized they can combine his writing with the right elements in order to make something "popular" that the masses would enjoy and would have a lasting impact.
However there is a good chance he'll be writing puppet shows for the rest of his life, he said it's his favorite medium by far.
>>158389890
How does Gae Dearg work? It pierced Saber's armor cause it was made of mana (does this apply to everyone? Would it go straight through Berserker or Gil's armor?), it short circuited Caster's book which instagibbed all his monsters, it cleaved straight through Berserker's pole, and then it disintegrated his plane.
Both of his spears in legend both left unhealable wounds so this is something they made up. It's like Rule Breaker, except that had more clearly defined rules, gets more mileage in the story, and nicely ties in Medea being the witch of betrayal.
>>158390095
And an untrained teenager defeating a demigod King of Heroes is also someone jerking off to how cool the idea is. Don't act like Zero's methods are so markedly different.
>>158390213
Cool phonepost
>>158390290
Doesn't make it any less false
>>158390245
It's a blade of curses.
>>158388582
not that anon, but you should get down on your knees and suck my dick
>>158390261
Shirou's defeat of Gilgamesh is 100% explained. Yes, its for the sake of being cool, but it works within that universe. The Saber motorcycle comes out of nowhere
>>158390261
Well to be fair, Shirou's victory over Gil is more of those "you landed a couple blows at you that would've killed if not for the fact that I am a demigod, so you're pretty good I guess" victories. It's not like Shirou actually bested him for real or anything.
He was about to kill him after the whole "You're pretty good I guess" speech, but he got GRAILED. And he probably would've killed Shirou still if not for Emiya. Plus, didn't they do the whole "with every blow, I'm getting stronger" thing at the Einzbern mansion duel? Shirou was buffed to the point where he can cast Raw Anus, in addition to UBW.
>>158390426
And the other guy above just explained the motorcycle for you.
>>158390511
My point wasn't about the validity of the fight; it was about the comparison of the validities of the two circumstances.
>>158385202
Yes
>>158390580
Prana Burst + Riding doesn't really explain the motorcycle, how does that fit within the way those abilities were established to work
>>158390420
So in other words it does whatever the plot needs it to do
>>158390636
Where's the Shirou between Redman and Highschool Shirou from?
The one with the red scarf?
>>158390702
That's from some flashback in Extra I think
>>158390702
It's fromRead the VN
>>158385202
Zero is superior in every way but SN fags can't handle it
>>158390652
I just checked the novel to refresh myself; the motorcycle doesn't even transform in the novel. It's just described as having been modded to fuck by Kiritsugu, and the only thing Saber does with it is spam prana so that it Goes Fast and doesn't slam into walls in a millisecond.
>The mechanical tool Emiya Kiritsugu had prepared was not four wheeled, but two-wheeled instead, perhaps to maximize Saber’s Riding skill ... A Servant’s reinforced skills could only be maximized by riding a motorcycle, with the driver’s body exposed to the elements outside. Of course, if it could be used by a Servant, an existence beyond ordinary humans, it did not matter if the motorcycle’s functions ignored the limits of normal drivers. This was originally a ridiculously impractical and hypothetical motorcycle design, but Kiritsugu actually managed to make it a reality.
>... This motorcycle had already surpassed its limit as a tool of man. This was an alien creation born through advanced modern technology.
So the warping shit is anime original.
>>158390758
dumb neneposter
>>158390923
Curse you ufotable
>>158390750
>>158390702
Red Scarf is Extra my dude. Sniper Shirou
HF > Zero > UBW > Fate >>>>>>>> everything else
Although, i am honestly surprised at amount of hate GO is getting here. Camelot, Babylon and Time Temple are best Nasu has ever written, easily.
Is it inherent dislike of mobage format, people dropping after first few abysmal chapter or what?
>>158392117
An extraordinary amount of it stems solely from distaste for the jokey-er characters and Servants. Very, very few anti-GO posts on either /a/ or /vg/ ever cite anything about the story. They complain about the silly designs of the Servants and about the fact that Grand Order is a phone game. That is, in all honesty, about it.
Seriously, check the archives - you will not find anybody complaining in the vein of "Orleans sucks because [plot point] and [lore counterpoint]" or whatever; it's almost undiluted in the vein of "Nasu just wants to sell cowtits and make bank off of mobage waifus from greasy otaku".
To be frank, earlier parts of the story are really weak, although they are written by other writers who were also told not to try too much because mobage.
Especially Septum.
>>158391197
UBW > HF > Fate > F/Z >>>>>>>>>>>> everything else
>>158393214
And that's fine, and that's fair to criticize - but nobody on /a/ ever does. Bizarrely enough, it tends to be /vg/-type anti-GO people who write real criticism of the work. /a/-type anti-GO people have a penchant for passive-aggressively whole-sale dismissing anything that they even partially disapproves of; which, I suppose, contributes to that notion.
>>158393214
>>158393157
While I'm sure that plenty of Grand Order is good, the premise and medium are enough to completely turn me off and keep me away from it forever. The details that do escape the game and make it to me are the dumbest things that I've ever heard.
>>158393822
>The details that do escape the game and make it to me are the dumbest things that I've ever heard.
Anon, we are in thread discussing who is superior between the piece of fiction where Japanese redhead highschooler has sex with female King Arthur and one where uncle is forced to eat worm that deflowered his love interest's daughter.
Bar has been set low from start.
Also, what's wrong with the premise? Having magitech facility that sends soldiers to fight world-ending threats across space and time sounds pretty awesome to me.
>>158385202
I prefer Zero's overall tone but strangely I like Shiro more than Kerry.
>>158393822
>The details that do escape the game and make it to me are the dumbest things that I've ever heard
That is, by and large, because waifu morons skew things to make them seem ludicrously significant or insignificant, depending on their agenda. If you'd never read the VN and simply saw posts about Rin on /a/, wouldn't you think that she was simply some airhead whore?
To another end: don't you think that the details which 'escape the game and make it to you' are likely simply just the most memetic bits? "Just because you're correct doesn't mean that you're right" equally meets this line of logic: if all that I had known about Fate was that a large part of the story pivoted around that line, I surely would never have read the VN.
>>158394078
That's because Shirou is generally likeable and upstanding guy while Kerry is an edgy idiot.
Seriously, Shirou's reaction to hearing about Grail was to conclude that there's no way that will actually work, but he decided that he will fight to stop people dumb enough from buying into it from wrecking havoc.
Meanwhile, Kerry was hooked hook, line and sinker.
>>158392117
Honestly it sounds like something I'd play the hell out of if it wasn't a mobage, yeah
As it is I don't have any particularly strong opinions on it other than "wow that looks stupid" or "wow that look cool" in roughly 50/50 distribution
>>158386485
The original one shot of SF was pretty good. What it is now is crap though.
>>158394161
If you would be willingly to simply look at this for a minute or two, you'd realize that Grand Order's writing is formatted to be very similar to that of a visual novel.
https://youtu.be/vQ-0hNfQq2Y?t=1m16s
I find a sort of humorous irony in the fact that diehard VN fanatics refuse to associate with Grand Order because of its medium, when its medium is simply a means of making money - much like the decision to reverse the genders of the mains in FSN; and, in that it is essentially just a VN that is played on phones.
>>158393975
>Having magitech facility that sends soldiers to fight world-ending threats across space and time sounds pretty awesome to me.
Because I have no idea how any of it could make any sense in terms of Nasuverse. Time travel to stop instances of the Holy Grail which is causing paradoxes makes literally no sense.
>>158394137
I was mostly talking about the servants I see that get added. I have to reconcile "Yeah, it's a fucking nonsense game with nonsense characters" with "It's really good and you should really consider it seriously" and I can't.
Minor stuff that people just accept like magic circuits/magecraft being invented by Solomon also really annoys me. Anything that messes with canon, possibly because I don't have context to justify it.
>>158386485
>Gilcuck
Ayyyy.
>>158394291
The only disagreeable part of SF which I can identify off the top of my head is Bazdilot. Everything else is flawless (if we're ignoring the world references).
>>158394313
I just
I hate phones
>>158394353
>Because I have no idea how any of it could make any sense in terms of Nasuverse. Time travel to stop instances of the Holy Grail which is causing paradoxes makes literally no sense.
King Goetia destroyed human history by setting up points of divergence in the timeline you have to solve in order to bring history back.
Like, you start with everything but your facility being retroactively erased. Then, from the brink, you fight to restore humanity.
>>158394078
That's because Kerry isn't likeable. Zero even went as far as to mess with his character to make him more likeable, but it barely does anything. The people who do love him are usually fujos or because he is an adult, uses guns, wears a black trench coat, etc.
>>158394353
>mostly talking about the servants
They're almost never canonically part of the story/game. You don't need to have them or use them, ever. Their purpose is just to get idiots to spend money on the game.
>magic circuits/magecraft being invented by Solomon also really annoys me
That doesn't change canon, though. They were fairly careful with not redacting canon in GO. Also: Goetia did the circuits, not Solomon.
>>158394433
So do I. People have made a means to play the game on PC, you know. I'm sure that the exact same thing will happen with the English version - I think that you should be so open as to give it, at the very least, a try.
>>158394522
Changing canon might be the wrong phrase, but things that are of key importance to the franchise.
I don't care who invented circuits, the fact they were invented by some guy messes so hard with the history of the world everything has to be re-ordered.
>>158394522
>That doesn't change canon, though. They were fairly careful with not redacting canon in GO. Also: Goetia did the circuits, not Solomon.
Isn't that crests?
>>158394729
>I don't care who invented circuits, the fact they were invented by some guy messes so hard with the history of the world everything has to be re-ordered.
How so? We know that they were invented somewhere after the end of AoG.
>>158394787
I don't actually remember; it doesn't quite matter in the area of this debate.
>>158394834
We did not in fact know that. The Age of Gods was ruled by gods and things were notably different, but that magecraft straight up did not exist, you needed divine power, wasn't implied anywhere to my recollection.
Further, what the fuck happens to every other kind of power? What happens to Mystic Eyes, what happens to psychic powers in general? Origins must still have been a thing, could you just do nothing with them?
>>158388634
You mean worse
>>158395069
Them's fightin words
The reason I'm turned off by GO other than it being a gacha game is the lack of characterization on the master's side.
I know a lot of people, especially now, like Fate for the whole historical/mythical battle royal shit, and that's dope, but I've always enjoyed how the masters drive the story so much more than the servants.
>>158390923
Well shit, it seems more and more like I need to read the LN. Is the translation really that bad? Compare it to TakaJun so I know where it stands.
Also pic related which didn't happen in the anime
>>158390511
In the VN version Shirou completely BTFO Gil
>>158388634
But Zero has lots of Saber
>>158395474
Not enough
>>158395294
You got it backwards. In the VN Shirou's barely survives and focuses everything and pressing Gil's one weakness (he's an owner, not a wielder) while the Anime had him surfing across swordspam from 100 feet in the air where Gil should have had plenty of time to compose himself and counterattack
>>158395262
I don't know what TakaJun is. The key issue to note is that the LN is not poorly translated in any sense. I think I noticed like three or four weird or wrong bits in a look-over of v4, and they weren't any lines of consequence. One of them was this: the LN translation says, on Kirei's accuracy:
>Chances of a hit—100% if he used illusions
When the actual line should be:
>Chances of a hit—100%, unless he was under the influence of an illusion
So, while there are a few bits that are off, again; they're nothing to be concerned about. The wary reader is likely to notice incoherent lines like this and fix it mentally, anyway.
>>158395612
TakaJun was the guy who translated FSN, part of mirror moon
>>158395664
I never read the mirror moon translation. I'm sorry that I can't be of help in that regard, then.
FZ is straight trash that butchered characterization because Urobutcher is a retarded hack. Much more so than Nasu.
>>158390095
Interviews have stated that Butcher and Nasu wanted to have a dogfight in Zero so build parts around creating that scene, so I'm sure other parts like the Motorcycle were made the same way. A lot fights feel like they're there cause the plot says those characters need to fighting at that moment, eg; the Harbor and Cthulhu fights, or the 3 concurrent duels in the forest
Grand Order is better than both
who /kaleid liner Prisma Illya/ here
>>158396449
As much I like Hiroyama's art, this dude really just needs to end 3rei already and move on to 4ier already
>>158385202
Better MC
Better main heroine
Better Archer
Better Lancer
Better Assassin
Better Berserker
Better Caster
Better enemy masters
Better food
More Illya
More Taiga
>>158396449
A complete insult
>>158396449
qt grils are qt
>>158395566
Not really, the VN has Shirou BTFOing Gil and the grail saving Gil's ass from Shirou's final attack. The anime made Shirou lose mana and stay at Gil's mercy before the grail eats Gilgamesh
>>158396760
You forgot the most important one
Better Saber
>>158396958
It's the same Saber, and I kind of like her better in a suit and sperging out over muh chivalry than being a pretty blonde girl chastising Shirou for making the same mistake she's currently making.
>>158396958
Yes, better Saber. But she's only in HF
Why was the caster team the best team in both wars?Why did they both have to suffer?
>>158397151
>TFW no Saber Alter route
>>158397085
Alter Seiba >>> SN Seiba >>trash>> Zero Seiba
>>158397085
The argument that people tend/like to make is that Urobuchi and Nasu wrote "different Sabers", even though it is the exact same character in the same continuity.
Stop, before you post: shut the fuck up about 'lol slightly parallel worlds'; nobody cares about your throw-away handwave explanation. That explanation is one of the extremely rare real examples of a retcon in TM, and should not be considered in a serious discussion.
>>158397280
>even though it is the exact same character in the same continuity.
Zero Saber is kind of dissonant in her behavior because of where she comes from. Her whole chivalry thing was there only to be bullied by the others because when given her backstory, she should've been quite obsessed by the grail from the start, like how she was in F/SN where she didn't care about killing Rin in the start
>>158397436
*Didn't care about letting Rin live.
>>158397151
>>158397244
>>158389305
>what you have to understand is that they do not need a valid reason to shitpost.
This. Being contrarian and starting arguments is the best way to get replies on 4chan, and most shitposters find amusement over getting a bunch of replies.
>>158397436
She's pretty serious about her knightly values in SN as well. She even tells Shirou that she won't go against them unless he uses a command spell and gets teased by Archer about it. The difference is that in Zero she actually meets another character with the same values, which requires a different response than dealing with a bunch of backstabbing antiheroes.
>>158397280
You can break down Saber's characterization/arc into 3 periods. Camelot->Zero->Stay Night. The end of Camelot and the start of Zero don't line up and neither does the end of Zero and the start of Stay Night
>>158395725
There's more than 1 translation of FSN?
>>158385202
Zero in a vacuum is shit. Watching zero first spoils the mystery, adventure and larger implications of how the setting functions. Without FSN there would be nothing for Zero to bounce off, both have their moments of stupid and asspull.
>People claiming /Stay night or /Zero is shit.
>Not liking both.
>>158397548
What would sex with Alter be like?
F/Z > F/SN
Simple fact. All secondaries will agree with me
>>158385202
Your existence is a meme.
>>158397606
In Zero, she'd never kill a master in the way she tried to kill Rin early in F/SN
>>158397929
Absolutely top tier
>>158397606
>The difference is that in Zero she actually meets another character with the same values
Which basically comes down to fighting fairly and introducing yourself before a battle, which Assassin did.
>>158398742
>No route where you can work with Alter and best priest to activate the grail
Shit game. SHIT
>>158399154
>no chaotic route where you partner up with based Shinji
>>158386485
Unironically good taste though I still like SN's characters more than SF and Zero's.
>>158398742
MUH DICK
>>158398742
Why do I find Alter hotter than vanilla Seiba when they have the same body? Is it the eyes?
>>158399296
Even though they theoretically have the same body, Alter is usually drawn sexier
>>158399296
>>158399296
It's shit taste
>>158397548
I want to fuck Shirou!
>>158388634
I can agree with this logic.
>>158399154>no good Shirou gets adopted by Kotomine stories
>Tainted Ideals is dead
Fuck this timeline
>>158399296
>>158399368
>TFW you just wanted to see Saber fucking Saber
>TFW it's now a legit thing in TM
Love it
>>158395172
Same here, it's a damn shame the whole series has turned into that "gimmick", while the completely original characters used to be the driving force in FSN, while also keeping Servants more grounded in the modern setting.
Fuck FGO for real. Strange Fake is still fun, but I wish Nasu himself did something else.
>>158399443
Thank Apocrypha for wasting what "Kotomine Shirou" should've been.
Not that the exchange was bad, but fucking hell, did you need to bait and switch that much.
>>158399368
I like Vanilla Saber too, it's just that Alter is in another level
>>158399764
Why do newfags say this rather than just /thread?
>>158398787
She felt obligated to introduce herself to Assassin because of that, but he told her not to.
>>158399587
/a/nons diss Fate/Zero for being "edgy" but the entirety of the Nasuverse used to be a horror/dark fantasy setting with at least one mysterious string of serial killings per title (Kara no Kyoukai, Tsukihime, that horror show with Zouken). It's ironically become a lot more otaku baity and less like a Japanese World of Darkness.
>>158398742
>Used to not like GO
>Completely fine with it when they gave me casual clothes Alter
Huh
>>158400172
Zero is in another level
>Taste of slsughter.png
>>158389041
Try Worm or Pact by Wildbow, both web serials have finished so you don't have to worry about being left hanging halfway through. His third web serial, Twig, is going to be finished in August/September so that's also worth a look.If that doesn't work out for you, try Joe Abercrombie's First Law trilogy.
I'm pretty sure these two have styles that end up being similar to Urobuchi, though Wildbow focuses slightly more on the powers in his settings while Abercrombie doesn't really do powers at all.
>>158400244
Hey, it's like shit, only wrapped in silver foil. Looks nice but it's still shit.
>>158401289
I'll take what I can get
>>158400109
Deermud is literally a Kojiro rip off but more of a bitch now that I think about it.
>both just wanted to fight Saber
>both are very unlucky, despite Assassin's high luck stat
>both help out/spare Saber's Master
>both introduce themselves before a fight and don't like underhanded tactics
>>158389345
Reading the VN is /g/'s version of installing Gentoo.
You'll mostly end up wasting your time but learn a lot more afterwards.And nobody actually tries to do it
>>158385202
Both are garbage. The only good thing to come from Type-Moon was Grand Order.
>>158406323
At least try next time
Has anybody done a compressed/streamlined edit of UBW? I remember when watching that it felt like the pacing was rough and it was a complete slogfest compared to reading it, the Emiya fight in particular that lasted something like four fucking episodes.
A fan cut might do wonders for it.
>>158408697
>the truth is bait
>>158403704
Difference is Kojiro held on long enough to get his fight with and wasn't gonna let the world ending get in his way. Diarmuid was forced to shank himself then whined like a bitch when this underhanded ritual didn't go his way. Still, he's probably closer to a Cu clone, being another potato with the story focused on making him suffer
>>158408865
>Emiya fight
Wasn't it two episodes?
>>158385202
I don't differentiate between Zero and stay night because they are both part of the same fucking story. The only differences between the two are the ages of the characters and the circumstances surrounding them. Obviously strangers fighting to the death and kids who all share some intimate connection with each other fighting to the death will provoke differences in tone. What were you expecting? A total rehash of Zero's plot?
>>158408916
Can you believe there were people that believed that Deermud cursed the grail?
>>158408954
I was including the scenes that lead up to and follow it, not literally just the fight itself.
Then again, the thing I hate most about the Ufo fight was that they had Shiro bouncing and rolling left and right and fighting somewhat reasonably, when half of the impact for me when reading it was that his body was literally falling apart and he was slashing without restraint or reason as if only his ideals were holding him together. Probably the kind of thing a fan edit couldn't do shit about.
>>158409109
Shirou was bleeding and getting his ass kicked by Archer, that's good enough for me.
>Prisma wasn't a magical girl show about the fun family of Kerry, Iri, Shirou and Illya
This alone makes me see DEEN as more canon.
I'm aiming to roll for Herc, Emiya, Euryale and Waver in FGO US
I'm probably going to kill myself first though right?
>>158409859
Euryale is easy, the rest though...
Did Toki know his purple loli was being raped by worms?
Why was Best Girl's daughter fine with being raped by Angry ManJew?