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This is a long read, and no Tl;DR will be provided, but it offers a different view on the ending of Oreimo, and why some fans are as bothered by the ending as they are.
A lot of people, both satisfied and dissatisfied with the ending, have been discussing the actions of Manami (Especially her), of Ruri, etc. and how their actions influenced the ending that we saw. Yet Kirino and Kyosuke have gotten no sort of crap for the way they conducted themselves through the second season, and the way that Kyosuke treated everyone.
Keeping in mind the actions of Manami as a child, in telling both Kirino and Kyosuke the things she did, they not only seem forced and unnatural by the author, but it should also be taken into consideration she was a kid, as were Kirino and Kyosuke. Its something that, honestly, shouldn't affect their actions as pretty much adults and no excuse for the actions of the Kousakas toward the girls and toward their family. In the end, aside from telling Kyosuke that he was nothing special (that I can very much agree with is a dick move), Manami only ever said what is true. Incest is not seen as correct in society, it is not the norm, many people consider it unnatural. It's all she ever told the two, both as kids and adults, and its true.
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>>158354238
To be very honest I feel Manami got the chit for everything in that show. Objectively speaking, meaning, not favoring any of the girls, these are my thoughts:
Both Kirino and Manami were immature little kids. Kirino never really outgrew being an immature little kid, while Manami did. Manami always saw Kirino as a younger sibling herself, I believe she truly cared for Kirino, but when Kirino started getting in between, as she put it, her plans to be with Kysouke, anger and hatred began to surface for Kirino. this was intensified by the fact Kirino is Kyosuke's sister, had Kyosuke ended up with Ruri or Ayase or anyone else, Manami would be heartbroken, yes, but not angry, because it's something that could always have happened. But Kyosuke and KIRINO getting together is a complete curveball, siblings do not love each other like that, and that is why she felt defeated by something so rare and unnatural; she can't accept it.
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>>158354298
Let us talk about the fight between Kirino and Manami, to say the truth, it broke my heart to see the two fighting, especially over a beta scumbag like Kyosuke, because as much as I hate Kirino and this show now, I don't want to see either of them hurt, neither of them deserved it. There were feelings between the two that had been building up for a while and they let it out all at once, unfortunately. If I were to be asked who instigated the fight, I would say Kirino, there was no reason to taunt and tease Manami for her feelings toward Kyosuke, and there is never a reason to do that to a girl. This is why Kirino reamins immature and childish in my eyes. She could have grown up so much in the span of the show, but she didn't, she's still just a bratty kid. Had Kirino been mature and made it clear to Manami that things are what they are, and although she understands why Manami would be hurt, it's still no reason for Kirino to ignore her own feelings, I would be very satisfied. Yet all she did was taunt her like a stupid brat. Can't say I blame Manami much for taking a hit at her, I wouldn't blame anyone, it's just downright rude. She could have beaten Manami at her own game, with the upper hand, by making her look like a dick and not allowing Manami to make her resort to a back and forth.
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>>158354361
This only goes to show though that the main common factor in all the fuk ups throughout this season is not any of the girls, but Kyosuke. He's the king of everything beta, without a mind of his own and no balls to do anything but run away from his problems and hide behind his sister's skirt, all the while throwing everyone else into the curb like an old rag (Ayase, Ruri, even Manami). He's the worst kind of man there is, if he can be called one. During the fight between the two, it should have been him to interrupt and set things straight, instead he sat back like a baby and watched, let both the girl he supposedly loves (which is also his sister, so that's even more a reason) and his best friend take a beating.
In the end it's Manami's slap that summarizes this whole series and this ending. His actions (or lack of action) are despicable. He screwed three girls over, with he excuse of wanting to be with his sister, and after all that, after leading them on and throwing them to the side like chit, he messes around with her for months and pretends nothing ever happened? WTF is that chit? If you're going to be a scumbag, at least stick with the girl you pick. Kyosuke deserves nobody, maybe Kirino since they fuked everyone over together, but he is nothing more than that, a scumbag.
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>>158354405
and that's what has me and some others so pissed, that I followed a show for two years, where a scumbag and his immature, bratty pervert of a sister screw everyone and win in the end. It's not because they ended up together, or because it's incest, I don't agree with it, but I won't demonize a good, mature story because of it; it's the actions of the Kousakas that makes me rage. It's BS. It's the Great Gatsby, all over again. To take a quote from that book, the author of The Great Gatsby describes Kyosuke and Kirino perfectly:
"They were careless people, Kyosuke and Kirino--they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their world of their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made."
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>>158354238
didnt read lmao
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>>158354443
In summary, while I understand the dislike for Manami over what she did as a child, and I find that dislike comepltely fair, I find demonizing her the way both the author and the whole fanbase has is completely disgusting. She is a much a victim to the immaturity of the Kousaka couple as the other girls. At the same time, she has a good amount of fault for the things that happened in the show as well, referring to the image macro of her going around.
It's just a bad series in my opinion. The uathor could have made a conclusive ending, he could have made Kirino more mature, he could have made Kyosuke have the balls to not lead on three other girls, he could have done a lot but he didn't because he's beocme addicted to the money cow. And considering the money comes from the Japanese incest fanbase in this case, he went through with an incest ending no matter what, and then threw that curveball in the end as damage control for those that see the relationship as forced as it is. Everything is forced, over the top, unnatural, unbelievable, and unrealistic.
Oreimo had a good beginning, and much potential. Too bad it didn't deliver.
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I fucking love Aqua
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>>158354569
Thank you for saving the thread anon
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Nice copypasta faggot.
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Nice shitposts.
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>>158354952
Nice arguments
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Posting in a Dutchguy thread.
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>>158355466
>someone actually writing all that
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>>158354238
Didn't watch Oreimo, but thanks anyway
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>>158355573
Somebody at one time did write all that which is kind of pathetic but OP just copied it from an old MAL forum post.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=651035
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>>158354238
Thanks for the long and detailed analysis
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Manami may have been correct, but she was not right.
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>>158355573
Does Eromanga has a Kuroneko equivalent? I want to collect the tears.
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>>158354238
>pretty much adults
17-18 maybe, but 14-15 is in no way 'pretty much adult', have you ever seen that age?
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>>158355648
I lost
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