Who would win in a fight? Or would they be friends instead

>>158338124
My dick.

>>158338124
I don't know anything about the one on the right, but the left one at full power is supposed to a pretty big deal.

Instead of assuming the left is stronger, however, I will assume that the one on the right is similarly powerful for having been compared to her.

>>158338124
Is Arc Arch-Type Earth or not? From the picture its normal Arc, but I'm just checking.

>>158338124
>friends
nahh, never
knowing arc's personality

>>158338134
This. Lesbian hatefucking crossover doujin when?

>>158338176
Arc is powerful but I don't think Kiss shot is any less powerful after what we see in Kizu.

>>158338124
Kissshot would never be a friend with some slut from eroge.

>>158339368
oh shit I want to watch reiketsu so badly july is so distant

>>158338124
>Or would they be friends instead
Yes, they would met in doughnut shop

>>158338124

My dick

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Would any living man be able to survive a threesome or just monogamous sex with them?

What is it that makes Arc so cute?

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>>158345677
For me its her clothes. No pointless fanservice or exposed skin. Stylish and fitting. Cute.

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>>158345677
>What is it that makes Arc so cute?
Everything

>>158345724

Agreed about Arc's fashion sense, it's really cute not to mention DEM SWEATER PUPPIES.

>>158338124
Reality Marble gg. Kiss-Shot is basically a poor man's Dead Apostle.

>>158345677
>What is it that makes Arc so cute?

Vivacious and catlike demeanor.

>>158345875
Would that actually work if you actually consider the two universes? Instead of just going hurr the other has this power that works well in this universe.

>>158346215
I mean, when you think of hypothetical scenarios like this, normally you'd assume both parties have full-access to their abilities regardless of conditions, or else what would be the point? Sure, if the fight didn't take place in Type-Moon, she wouldn't be able to use it. Not like she needs to, really.

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>>158346514
Because given them full power opens a can worms. And based on my meager knowledge on fate, most of the abilities in that universe are rigged to their advantage and also follows a set of rules that can't be replicated within the Bakemono universe. This is especially the case of someone's whole existence is meta reliant like Kiss shot. But you know I know fuck all about Arcuied. I only know she's strong. I'm actually curious how she'll destroy Kiss Shot without Type-Moon.

>>158345875
>Reality Marble
It's Marble Phantasm dude
Reality Marbles are the illegal ones

>>158345677
She's fun and cute. I always hated Shiki for the way he treated her around almost the entirety of her arc. I mean, only Arcueid would be kind to her own killer.

It would be a stalemate. Arc doesn't have the conceptual weapons to deal a final blow that goes through Kiss-Shot's regeneration. Kiss-Shot doesn't have the physical stats to get a lethal hit on Arc.

>>158348336
The fight wouldn't take place if you think of it being in any specific universe. Each one's respective guardians would kill the invader.

>>158349739
Is it possible for Kiss-Shot to generate a conceptual weapon to kill Arc using dark matter?

>>158350132
She pulls Kokorowatari out of nowhere often enough, so yes. It helps that the sword is Arc's exact weakness.

>>158338124
If they're both at max power, then Arc. Kokorowatari is about the only thing that'll hurt A:E and even then she'll just develop resistance to it and won't die so long as the Earth still exists.
Kiss-Shot's regen is pretty impressive but Marble Phantasm should deal with that. Maybe the first one might not work if Arc leaves a tiny piece of Kiss-Shot behind like what happened when she fought Roa, only in this case Arc has enough power and plenty of time to try again as much as necessary, since Kiss-Shot can't actually stop her.
Also, moondrop. Kiss-Shot might have shattered Antarctica, but I doubt she could deal with the entire Moon landing on her.

>>158345677
>What is it that makes Arc so cute?
Being an insanely powerful force of nature that acts like a kitten. Also that adorable smile.

>>158338124
Arcueid is at least planet buster in physical strength, and if she gets her marble phantasm she can wipe the floor with just about anyone.

>>158345893
Shinobu's haughty personality is better

>>158353057
There's no need to argue when both girls are highest-tier.

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Reminder that Kizu is just a pretty good parody of Tsukihime among other things and that both stories are actually pretty good and a lot of fun..

>>158353597
When you simplify a story that much almost anything could seem like a ripoff. Lets just ignore the whole reincarnating vampire being part of Shiki and the fact that the entire story is about his ability to see death and all that.

>>158353775
Obviously it's an exaggeration, but there is quite decent amount in common, to be fair.

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>>158353597
They are completely different though. Not even mentioning the characterization and the differences in motivations and character relationships.

Isn't Arc literally the embodiment of earth itself? Seems pretty obvious who would win to me.

>>158353882
>Not even mentioning the characterization and the differences in motivations and character relationships.
There's a fair bit of crossover there, too, actually. Shiki and Koyomi both have to struggle with their anxiety of losing their humanity (Shiki even moreso considering what he did to Arc) while Ciel and Hanekawa are the ones that take the role of grounding them.
Also there's another interesting factor, that Arc and Kiss-Shot's respective solutions both would've worked (and actually did work, in the case of Ciel's Good End).

>>158354237
>Shiki and Koyomi both have to struggle with their anxiety of losing their humanity (Shiki even moreso considering what he did to Arc) while Ciel and Hanekawa are the ones that take the role of grounding them.
That's similar, yes. But men losing their humanity is a common theme in monster stories.

>>158354389
>men losing their humanity is a common theme in monster stories.
Okay, so I might just be autistic, but I never understood why characters get so upset about this in fiction. Why the hell does not being human anymore matter when you get sick powers and a cute girl to boot?

>>158354389
True, but how many stories have the man also have to fight on behalf of a beautiful vampire girl who ordinarily would be strong enough to fight for herself (and more besides) but is weakened for various reasons? Among all the other similarities, etc..

>>158354928
Well in both Shiki and Koyomi's cases it means that they'd have to prey on the people who were once their peers, family and friends. That's kind of fucked up.

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Kissshot's black ribbon is the most tasteful addition to her design. It feels like a natural part of her body.

>>158354928
>Okay, so I might just be autistic, but I never understood why characters get so upset about this in fiction.
Its a Japanese thing. "Fitting in" is cancerous over there. In most of the Western World even if you stop being a Human, depending on what you became, most of the time we'd still consider you a person.

Fuck off with this stupid Calvinball bullshit.

>>158355055
>Well in both Shiki and Koyomi's cases it means that they'd have to prey on the people who were once their peers, family and friends
I didn't really get that at all from the Kizu movies, he didn't seem to be battling any urges to kill from what I remember

>>158355173
From the novel, I vaguely remember it being stated that if he were to stay a vampire, he would have to feed on humans. I might be remembering wrong, but it makes sense, given that kaii not obeying their intended nature get wiped by shit like the Darkness.

>>158354151
Kissshot destroyed the world though.

The anime did a bad job by only showing human zombies but Kissshot vampirized other oddities as well and even gods.

>>158355138
>In most of the Western World even if you stop being a Human, depending on what you became, most of the time we'd still consider you a person.
I've seen it in western fiction a lot too though. Personally I don't really care who or what you are as long as your actions aren't directly threatening to me.

>>158355418
It was a very gradual process. Plus the powerlevels in TM are generally a fair bit higher than in Monogatari, vampire/Dead outbreaks are a moderately frequent occurance in TM that are typically dealt with fairly effectively by various entities and organisations.
Meanwhile, Archetype:Earth can manipulate the planet itself and drop the Moon onto the planet.

>>158355418
It seems like Kiss would just make an army of vampirized oddities to keep Arcuied perpetually at bay then

Typemoon shit is pretty overpowered in comparison to other. Not like Bat is weak either, vampires in Monogatari can grow trees out of their asses after all, but I guess Arc would win hypotethically.

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How fast is Saber? How durable is she? I wish the kizu 3 BD would hurry up so I could make some webms from it.

>>158355918
we're not talking about saber

>>158355805
Wouldn't work when Arc can just wipe the surface of the planet as A:E.

>>158355918
Arc can move as a disembodied entity at lightspeed, that's actually how she travels long distance.

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>>158355968
But that girl in the OP picture looks just like Saber?

>>158356014
Fuck off newfag

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>>158356050
He's just being an asshole, probably.

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>>158356014

>>158356050
Not everyone wants to play glorified Flash games.

>>158356006
How do you get invested in a fight between characters that just pull super abilities out their ass to no end?

>>158356205
Because the story is about the characters, not their powers. Arc could solo everyone in the story but that's not the point.

>>158356205
It's not out of their ass, shit's been more or less established in lore for years. Arc never really fights as A:E in the stories anyway, much like Kiss-Shot she's in a less powerful state for 90% of the story.

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>>158356153
You just haven't played the right flashgames

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>>158356265
>Nasuverse
>character

>>158356006
Kissshot can travel through shadows and make a real life apartment in Araragi's shadow out of nothing.

The sofa you saw her sitting on is actually real.

>>158356471
His characters are all insane idiots, but they are well detailed insane idiots.

>>158356492
>Kissshot can travel through shadows and make a real life apartment in Araragi's shadow out of nothing.
>Arc can travel without form and can make a castle from someone else's reality warping pocket dimension out of nothing
Okay.

>>158338124
Can the two of them just not fight and have a fun time together?

Honestly I'd like to have a double date with Arc and Kiss-shot.

>>158356925
Do you really think you could handle them

>>158357046
I wouldn't be too worried about Arc, I can see myself getting along well with her. As long as I stayed human at least. Kiss-shot would be a completely different story, and it might be harder to get on her good side. Even if she didn't want to eat me outright, if we got close she might want to turn me into a vampire.

>>158356542
It's detailed, but their motivations as well as logic are completely removed from reality that Nasu isn't really giving his readers anything to hold on to. You can eventually sort-of figure out how a character works intellectually, but you have to jump through so many hoops to do it that it's really hard to get deeply invested in them. Tsukihime is about his only story that manages to avoid this, and it's still pretty sloppy.

Meanwhile Nisio has a really good handle of how shit works in the real world. So when he paints all of these very human, relatable conflicts over with monsters and cute girls it's difficult to not get invested and the only thing rebuffing people is his walls of text.

What would happen if both sucked your blood at the same time?

>>158357217
>the only thing rebuffing people is his walls of text.
And boy is it effective. I couldn't watch half of the gataris without feeling like I was going to fall asleep

>>158350329
>Kokorowatari

I googled this and it seems to define the beings it's super effective against as beings created by humanity's belief in them.

Arcuied is an elemental created by the spirit of the planet itself, she does not rely on human belief to sustain her.

>>158357148
Kiss-Shot actively avoids turning people into vampires except under the most dire of circumstances. How easy it is to get along with her depends on what point in the story you're picking from, and you'll be fine as long as you get her talking for a bit.

>>158338124
They should become lolis together, and eat donuts.

>>158354928
It's a criticism of old agenda to base self esteem on being human formally.

>>158357337
It kills the supernatural. That's just how the supernatural works in the Monogatari universe. Trying to sidestep that is just being disingenuous.

>>158357343
I feel like I could carry a conversation with her well enough. Since it's specifically Kiss-shot we're talking about I was thinking some time either immediately before or during Kizu.

>>158357434
Well the thing is there are supernatural entities in the Nasuverse that rely on human belief. Just not all of them.

Like, that sword would probably be Super Effective against Servants. Since as Heroic Spirits are ascended to their power by human belief in their stories and heroism.

>>158357217
I like both, but I simply can't agree with you. I find Nasu's interpretations of characters more credible than a lot of Nishio's. Nasu's VNs may be fairly long and drawn out, but Nasu goes through a lot more in terms of coherent charactersation than Nishio does in a long line of LNs or a long-running manga. KnK, despite being drenched in fairly amateurish unironic chuuni writing, has very strong characterisation for Ryougi and a fair few other characters in what amounts to only about two or three books-worth. It's a shame so much gets left out of the anime and manga, but what can you do.

>>158357236
It'd be extremely lewd.

>>158357434
>It kills the supernatural.
Well so do most conceptual weapons and holy artifacts in TM, but Arc can recover and gain resistence to all of them.

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I'll take pure cute Arc any day over usedgoods-chan

>>158357592
>despite being drenched in fairly amaturish unironic chunni writing

But that's part of Nasu's charm. His works are Chuuni as fuck, but they're still fun to read and he actually manages to make it at least entertaining. Which is more than what you can say for a lot of other chuuni writers.

>>158357592
Nasu dumps how his characters' minds work because they're so outlandish that he has to. Yeah, there's a lot of details in there, but I don't count that as good characterization. I much prefer being able to piece things together from a character's actions without Touko having to laboriously explain their motivations afterwards.

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>>158357148
You'd have to selflessly sacrifice your life for her out of your own will. She then might turn you into a vampire and even fall in love with you, but that's not guaranteed.

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>>158357786
I like Arc too, but there's no need to be rude. Arc does the nasty with Shiki, Kiss-Shot hasn't been confirmed either way, IIRC.

>>158357513
You're getting sidetracked from the main point: Kiss-Shot basically has UBW so Arc's resistances don't really matter.

>>158357959
Kiss-Shot would probably be happy for anyone to have a nice conversation with her without trying to kill her for being a vampire.

>>158357786
Kiss shot is a canon virgin though

>>158357922
>I much prefer being able to piece things together from a character's actions
this is exactly how tsukihime works tho, you can't get the full picture of anyone or anything without drawing together bits from all 5 routes

>>158338124
Kissshot, because type moon is just plain retarded.

>>158357922
>I much prefer being able to piece things together from a character's actions without Touko having to laboriously explain their motivations afterwards.
Actually it's mostly well-explained from their own perspectives. I never found Ryougi's too be particularly outlandish either, but maybe that's because I started with the old MirrorMoon novel translations before the anime came along and did a rough job of explaining her personality and mindset. She's an odd person, but it makes a fair amount of sense and it's pretty empathetic. I wouldn't consider any of the Monogatari characters to be particularly normal either, and I definitely wouldn't consider any of Nishio's other characters normal even remotely, especially not Medaka Box or Katanagatari cahracters.

>>158358027
>You're getting sidetracked from the main point: Kiss-Shot basically has UBW so Arc's resistances don't really matter.
You seem to be getting Arc confused with Herakles, Arc doesn't have a finite supply of lives or resistances, she's already immune to pretty much everything in TM apart from some obscure South American stuff she was never exposed to. Even if Kiss-Shot had an inexhaustible supply of weapons capable of inflicting conceptual damange (seriously, what?), it wouldn't be enough against A:E.

>>158356696
Kissshot can turn into mist too and she can make anything she wants like a video game handheld.

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>>158357963
>>158358068
No worries I'm just playing with the term Kizumono
In Monogatari drinking blood is equivalent to the act of reproduction for vampires. So Shinobu has already had one partner. In TM it's implied that the act of killing someone has the same kind of severity as deflowering or defiling.
It's kind of an interesting way of thinking of things.

>>158357959
I'd be fine with doing something like that. I'd make the same choice Araragi did in a heart beat. Although if she needed somebody to have a conversation with, I'd gladly do that too.

>>158358255
I thought it was drinking blood with the intent of turning somebody into a vampire, in Monogatari. In which case she's done it with two people.

>>158358224
>weapons capable of inflicting conceptual damange (seriously, what?)
I'm not sure what that is either but if I had to guess it damages on a straight up fundamental level. A slash with a blade would be a slash from a blade, full stop. There's no defending from it, the slash damage gets applied because it is the "ideal" of a slash being done, and being projected onto the target or some dumb shit. I don't know, man.

>>158358224
>apart from some obscure South American stuff she was never exposed to

>HandsomeLatinoHalfBreeds.jpg

>>158357217
I actually like how Nasu takes stereotypical cartoonish personalities and fleshes them out to have real character. Are they realistic? No, but that's not the same as being bad. They're just extremely unlikely to be found in the real world. I guess I'd say his characters are believable despite not being realistic. They have the detail of an actual person, just a very psychotic person. Nisio writes detailed realistic characters, Nasu writes detailed unrealistic characters. It's like a yin-yang of characters almost.

>>158358159
That's about the one story he does it well in.

>>158358224
Nisio still applies common sense to his outlandish characters or turns them into plot devices while more grounded characters are the real meat of the story. That's kinda his thing.

You'll have to bear with my experience from the KnK anime and the Fate/Tsukihime VNs. I think 3 long-ass works are enough to judge a writer.

>>158358224
>weapons capable of inflicting conceptual damange (seriously, what?)
They explain that in Ciel's route but it was long so I've forgotten exactly what it meant.

>>158357786
>>158357963
Didn't Roa and Arc get it on?

>>158345677
Araragi could

>>158358426
I know what conceptual means in this case, both TM and Monogatari use it in similar ways. What I don't understand is Kiss-Shot having some kind of UBW equivalent. Maybe that's because I've not kept up with the LNs, but I don't remember it being mentioned or even alluded to ever.

>>158358593
Her matter creation ability makes fully functional artefacts. Thus, she can achieve the same effect as UBW.

>>158358565
It said she made him feel not pure anymore. But I think it was similar to how Griffith felt after Guts left and it was really just a blow to Roa's pride because no one had ever made them feel that way before.

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>>158358650
roa put her finger in arcueids mouth, feeding her blood for the first/only time and making her lose it

roa in tsukihime has a huge boner for arcueid but it's unknown if he had it back when he was alive too or if that was something that developed as he kept reincarnating and getting killed by her

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>>158358701
Arc sucked his blood right? Isn't that one step away from sex for vampires?

>>158358555
>Nisio still applies common sense to his outlandish characters or turns them into plot devices while more grounded characters are the real meat of the story. That's kinda his thing.
I don't really follow, like I said, I wouldn't consider a lot of Nishio's characters grounded. Not even Koyomi, who's only a few steps shy of a Nasu protagonist in some instances, to be honest. Actually, both Tomoe and Kokuto are more normal in some respects.
>You'll have to bear with my experience from the KnK anime and the Fate/Tsukihime VNs. I think 3 long-ass works are enough to judge a writer.
Fair enough, but the anime isn't a good representation of the characters in many respects.

>>158358649
How many of those artifacts can replicate something like Kokorowatari, though? If they're not on the same level then it's kind of immaterial. In many ways it's immaterial either way since Arc doesn't have a recovery or resistance cap.

>>158358750
Only in harem mangas

>>158358750
>Isn't that one step away from sex for vampires
I think thats just a meme desu senpai, plus Roa tricked Arc into exchanging blood but I haven't played the far side routes yet so don't spoil me too much on how it happens.

>>158358848
the far side routes don't talk about that at all. it's all in near side and in kagetsu tohya

you should probably get out before people spoil a game that came out 18 years ago

>>158358908
>the far side routes don't talk about that at all.
Isn't it sad, Sacchin?

>>158358908
I must have missed a dialogue choice then because it doesn't say anything other than she was tricked

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>>158358848
Far side routes aren't about Arc or Ciel at all.
It's all about the best imouto ever and her family problems.
And then read Kagetsu Tohya which has one of the most haunting atmospheres in any VN I've read.

>>158358750
>Isn't that one step away from sex for vampires?
It's about metaphorical comparison not the actual mammal sex. Same way Instrumentality is compared to sex in Evangelion. The Third Impact has sexual imagery during its sequence. It's a way to contact with the audience on a subconscious level and receive necessary emotional response. "Id" and all of that stuff.

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>>158359052
>It's all about the best imouto ever and her family problems.
More like it's all about Top Meido and the Tohno Family Values. And revenge.

>>158356265
Tsukhime is truly a story about optimism, valuing yourself, appreciating your life, and moving boldly into the future. Death might not be as close to our doors as it is to Shiki’s… but, then again, you never know. That is why the lessons in this story are so applicable. You are alive now, but maybe not tomorrow. So look on your past fondly, smile at yourself in the mirror now and again, and hope lovingly for the future. Shiki is someone who has about a decade or two of life left, and he messes around with two immortal beings in the main routes.

In the epilogue, Shiki fatefully meets Aoko again and they muse a little bit about old times past. Shiki notes how the past several days/weeks (the span of X route) have been crazy. And some point Aoko tells him that those days will eventually end. Shiki agrees and asks something to the effect of when. The Magus just kind of remains silent and freaking Shiki just tells her that the days were fun, though.

And this is what, for me, Tsukihime was about. Yes, there were vampires and serial killers. But it was really about finding joys in today – even when it doesn’t seem like there are any… and about having faith in a tomorrow. Basically, Tohno Shiki could die ten years from that conversation with Aoko, or he might not even wake up the next day. Although we don’t “live close to death”, the same basic concept applies. There are no promises in life. So you can go through life miserable only to be potentially snuffed out tomorrow, or you can find your own happiness and hope it extends into your future.

>>158359251
why did this post become copypasta when it's a pretty decent little thesis

or is it just one guy reposting his own thing

>>158359213
That's what I meant.

>>158358785
The conflicts he faces are just way more relatable on a really fundamental level:
>The person I was so enamored with is weaker and uglier than I thought and it makes me like them less and that in turn makes me hate myself for being so shallow.
>So many people I care about are leaving it makes me afraid that I'm going to lose all of them.
>I feel like I'm just letting other people solve all my problems and it's going to bite me in the ass.
So he can be going out and fighting monsters and trying to save everyone and have his retarded hangups, but he still feels like a human being.

Medaka Box has a lot of this too, with Kumagawa desperately wanting to succeed, but sabotaging himself because he can't imagine it. Then there's Zenkichi's famous freakout over just being a horny teenage boy trying to get the eye of the girl he likes underneath all his pretty speeches. It just gets really real and in your face.

>>158357217
>their motivations as well as logic are completely removed from reality

Uh, no they're not.

>>158359251
You know what's weird? When I was younger I used to feel uncomfortable if a character had their lifespan shortened, or died at an early age like 40 years old. I was set on living to 100, and for some reason I thought living as long as possible was really important. But now I feel like, time is relative and you're alive until you're dead. It doesn't matter if you were born yesterday or you die tomorrow, you are alive right now, and no other time. You're not dead yet, and you're not non-existent. Until the moment you do die, your death doesn't matter.

>>158359236
>real kohaku will never appear again and it will only be meme melty blood kohaku

>>158359251
Staying in this thread hoping to not get spoiled was a mistake

>>158359236
Why is she dressed like a corpse in this picture?

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>>158359737
Aoko? That's nothing.
As long as you don't know about SHIKI you're good.
Or Kohaku and Hisui's backstory/revenge plot
Or that Shiki dies in Akiha's story

>>158359251
That sounds pretty, but I'm much more interested in characterization and an interesting story than a trite moral. I'm not saying Tsukihime doesn't have that, but you're arguing for it like a pretentious fuck.

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>>158359836
stop it

>>158359576
No joke, I found a bunch of Nasu's characters relatable on a fundamental level. I'm somewhat embarassed to admit it, but I related to Ryougi's connection issues when I read the MM novel translations when I was in my late teens. The whole "killing impulse" shit seemed more of an extravagant flavour text and less important than her being able to understand and relate to others and her own identity, and the same could be somewhat extended to other TM characters, in that they're all abnormal people contending with exaggerated variations of credible issues. That's how it seemed to me, anyway. Koyomi, Zenkichi and Kumagawa all kind of do the same thing in some respects, but I've never found them as compelling.

>>158359691
I know, right? It's a damn waste.

>>158359821
I don't follow.

>>158359836
Except he doesn't actually die in Akiha's True Ending according to KT.

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>>158359918
You better get out of here before I tell you how cute you are
And that I love you anon
And then sincerely I hope you didn't read those spoilers

>>158359926
>tfw you found Shirou relatable as a teen
I think I have problems.

>>158359998
You didn't even spoiler the pic, you asshole.

>>158360036
He's read near route though
Unless that's a far route event?
Sorry Sacchin I actually forget.

>>158359926
>I don't follow.
Japanese clothes are supposed to be worn with the left side of the kimono wrapped over the right one. This is only reversed when a corpse is dressed for their funeral.

>>158360069
That wasn't me but no you literally only see her one time in near side

>>158360069
Sacchin's Misadventures with SHIKI and Shiki is entirely Far Side only. In fact it occurs in every Far Side route, IIRC.
>Sorry Sacchin I actually forget.
Isn't it sad?

>>158360078
Oh shit.
Is that how it is in the VN? Was that a massive hint at Kohaku's doll psychosis and that she's basically dead on the inside?

>>158360184
>spoiler
I don't recall seeing her wearing it right over left, and I'm fairly autistic about these things.
Furthermore, I read somewhere that wearing a kimono wrapped in the wrong manner is considered fairly rude, similar to passing food from chopstick to chopstick, so I doubt she'd get away with it.

>>158360391
Well she wears an apron over the top and she's considered clumsy when it comes to tidying, so there's that.
Seems odd that the fanartist would do something like that, I don't think it's a non-nip artist who wouldn't know any better.

>>158360184
sacchin is technically completely skippable in near side because you can choose to not see her starting events, although you always see her in far side because she's the replacement for nero (which I guess is the excuse for arcueid not showing up outside of a super brief gag in the akiha route)

>>158360482
Apparently even young Nips can mess it up, probably because many of them wear Japanese clothing so rarely. Add to that the fact that in western clothing the order is reversed for women and it's not inconceivable that a Nip artist would fuck it up.

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Why are so many hating on ciel?Yes I don't like her either but she wasn't what bad

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>>158361088
No one said anything bad about Ciel, though. She's pretty cool, but she's best in her non-robed Church gear. One of the best outfits in the whole of TM.

>>158361277
This is true. Ciel was by far my least favourite heroine but I really liked her outfits.

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arc is my waifu so i pick her.

>>158361277
How come she looks so incredibly different when she puts on her glasses? She goes from cool as fuck to irritating.

>>158361523
Good taste, although both of them are really good, I prefer Arc.

>>158361277
shit character but awesome design.

>people dislike ciel because "her route is very similar to arcueid"
>when her route has lots of interesting original content after the two split while all arcueid route has is you going on a deito and tearjerker ending

shouldn't they dislike arc for having a copy pasted route instead? It's not like you can't do ciel first

>>158357236
you turn into dust.

>>158358565
Arc gave Roa a boner and it drove him into insanity.

>>158361673
>people dislike ciel because "her route is very similar to arcueid"
I don't, I just don't really care much for Ciel. All the extra content with Roa/Shiki is better than the finale of Arcs route in my opinion.

>>158361673
i just dont like ciel as a person. sure, she got her life screwd over and it made her a bit mental but i hate the way she manipulate shiki to her goals.

she just comes off as a bitch

>>158359926
Have you reread recently? I liked KnK before I tried to rewatch it and found myself fed up with all the gibberish Nasu was feeding me.

I guess putting the differences in a more neutral manner is that Nasu goes digs into an individual idea, like how difficult it is to relate to others. While Nisio builds off of those ideas and sees how they work when applied and when in combination with each other, like how you deal with the fallout from a massive lapse in communication when both sides were well meaning.

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>>158361523
My favorite one is akiha.

Akiha = Aoko > Arcueid > Hisui > Kohaku = Sacchin > Ciel

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This time I might just disappear.

>>158358908
>18 years ago

Christ I feel old.

>>158362013
Akiha is my second favoritte in the VN. shes a kind girl

>>158338124
Rather judge who would win a paizuri contest to be quite honest.

>>158362082
I agree. My ranking would be Arc > Akiha > Hisui > Kohaku >>>>> Ceil.

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>>158359836
Please don't spoil other people's enjoyment while posting Len.

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>>158362203
C-come on. I assumed he wouldn't read the statements I spoiled.
That would just be self-punishment at that point.

Why do the aozakis have brown hair now?

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>>158338124
They'd be friends because Atari is a good girl.

>>158338124
>Arc
>getting along with haughty stuck up bitch that think nothing about eating humans.

>>158362730
The 80s were a different time.

>>158363388
>humans r speshul
nuh uh

>>158364106
We -are- special. We just aren't super special, and we are certainly not livestock. Arc also gives a shit about all life, not just Human life. She makes an exception for Scum of the Earth, however.

>>158365268
Do you also believe in God and think that your life matters?

>>158365268
Where was she for Goetia then?

>>158365268
>We -are- special
Not really. Are spiders special because they're better than ants? We're nothing more than the biggest of the small. Life itself is just a passing phase of the earths birth and growth.

>>158365734
I'm assuming its something from moneygrubbing browser game?

>>158366319
It's moneygrubbing mobileshit, actually.