How can one show be so perfect?

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How do you think one poker will end guys? I'm dying of anticipation here, especially after spoiling myself with the latest chapter.Will Kazuya die?;_;

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>mfw just watched the chinchiro arc
Edge of my seat all the way through

>>158254351
I HOPE HE DOESN'T if fkmt draws it out any longer, especially with the next chapter, i swear to god...
kazuya's such a great rotten boy i'll miss him

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>>158254014
Loads of balls and suffering. I guess?

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>>158254786
To tell you the truth,I have my hopes up. I can see him surviving and maybe becoming friends with Kaiji somehow. It would make sense if you consider pic related and also Kaiji cheering on him and trying to help him. But the again I have no idea what's going to happen.

>>158254014
Kurosawa WHEN?

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Dice > cards > rock paper scissors > balls > paper > beams

>>158255062
Where do helmets fit in?

>>158255062
>beams lowest
Why

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>>158254014
>perfect
I really like it but you can't excuse the amount of filler the 2nd part of the bog arc has

>>158255625
I NEED to read the manga sometime
>>158255687
Because it may be really interesting and pretty great, it's missing the entire gamble feel by not having Kaiji gamble, i feel like it is a pretty great breather with an amazing message but not that much more

>>158254786
>>158254921
Kaiji pushes Kazyua to the end. Kazyua bets his life. He wins and pushes Kaiji back to zero. Kaiji gives up and loses all his money.

>>158255890
>He wins and pushes Kaiji back to zero.
M8...

>>158255890
but kazuya lost

>>158254921
oh anon i really hope so id rather kaiji gets to the old man hyodo via kazuya as they are buds and kazuya is an edgy teen who hates his dad rather than it's kaiji's fault that kazuya died and thus it takes him to hyodo. i don't think fkmt would put blood on kaiji's hands even though it is kazuya who bet his own life

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Will we see him again? ;_;

>>158254014
It's the best thriller i've seen

Soundtrack's pretty good too

Why are there people who think death note is watchable compared to this?

>>158256773
ZAWA

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>>158255062
>beams last
>balls above anything

>>158254351
Speaking of One Poker, I really didn't think that Kazuya would cheat. He didn't even do it in a way that gave Kaiji a chance to retaliate, it was just luck that Kaiji happened to still have the toothpick. In the end, I guess Kazuya was just a stone-cold cheater like Muraoka rather than a "fair" cheater like Hyoudo. It also made me realize that every arc of Kaiji so far has contained some form of cheating, except for I guess RPS, and in the Bog Kaiji basically already knew the casino was cheating.

>>158257164
Beams didn't have any strategy to it.
Balls was a massive multi pronged plan that had both sides constantly bamboozling each other.

>>158257287
Balls was drawn out to the point where it was hard to sit through.
Beams was the emotional high points of the series.

>>158256740
Hopefully_not

>>158255625
they dont even count

>>158254014
It's amazing, but I still liked S1 more. Feels bad that we'll never have S3 and weed guy will never make ost for it ;_;

Also:
E-card>Bridge>underground dice>RPS>Bog>Pachinko>Salvation game

>>158257941
>Bog>17steps
fix

>>158257164
should i check out akagi if i loved kaiji?

>>158254014
Correction: how can 1st season be so perfect?

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>>158258008
It's entirely mahjong and one arc literally took 20 years to finish, so keep that in mind. And Akagi is as far from a loser-kind as Kaiji from being a successful and adapted member of society, so MCs really differ.
Anyway, I read it after I saw Kaiji S1 and I really enjoyed it.

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>>158258008
You definitely should. It's pretty hype too, but for different reasons. Akagi is a better written character as well, albeit not very relatable to.

>>158254351
He'll probably die, there is no way to stretch this arc any longer.
Also I don't understand why Kaiji even wants to save him he is a rich spoiled brat who tortured people for fun, doesn't Kaiji despise such people? Why would he even care?

>>158258376
Wouldn't it be kind of pointless if he just died in the end? That's probably because he has the potential to become better if someone shows him the POWA OF FRIENDSHIP.

>>158258492
wew slow down there. I don't want that "nakama power" shounen shit in my fkmt manga alright? He tortured and indirectly murdered many people, are we supposed to forget all about it because muh friendship changed him, now he's a sweet cinnamon roll? That would be fucking retarded.

>>158258376
He felt sympathy for a complete scumbag like Tonegawa. Kaiji is 2 pure.

>>158254014
kaiji kuuuuun

new anime season when?

>>158258586
Then again, Washizu was somewhat redeemed by the end of his game against Akagi. And Fukomoto managed to pull that off somehow.

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>>158254687
>When the narrator makes it seem like Otsuki has just found a way to reverse the match and instead he just starts shouting "NO COUNTU! NO COUNTU!" with everyone looking at him like he's retarded.

>>158258586
I understand what you are trying to say and I partly agree with you. I'm not saying he is inoccent or anything but don't you think it would be kind of bland if he just died like that without having some kind of realization at the end. I mean their goal was to prove whose "theory" is right.Also this >>158258596.

>>158258596
>Kaiji is 2 pure
He is, he really is. He's so pure and moe that even a random black suit can't resist.

The only fkmt "bad guy" I ever felt genuine sympathy for was Washizu. He's just too full of himself, too arrogant and also his reactions are perfect. Well then at the end he even refused to kill Akagi so that made me respect him even more.

Isn't the scanlation of One Poker way behind?

What chapter is the original japanese manga at?

>>158258856
247, so the scanlations are 90 chapters behind

>>158258596
This. Tonegawa had the audacity to act like a smug faggot after having the deck stacked in his favor. He should have stayed on that plate until he was charcoal

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>>158258834
The ending of Washizu mahjong is really poignant. The respect Akagi and Washizu gain for each other feel perfectly earned since the match really is that titanic.

Washizu's thought process after drawing his winning tile is high literature tier.

>>158258890
Fuck me.

Are they catching up in any way, or are they just keeping a steady 100-chapter difference?

>>158258767
The pacing is different in Kaiji and Akagi though. Akagis 2/3 are just this one game. Washizu is charismatic, smart, witty and he didn't cheat. All that he has he achieved by himself, with his intelligence and will power. At some point I actually started to cheer for him. Washizu was redeemed long before the end.
Now Kazuya on the other hand is just a rich spoiled brat, never achieved anything by himself, tortured people for fun, edgy. He never had anything appealing in his character at all.

>>158258829
Well, now imagine he realizes he was wrong. And now what? Can you picture him suddenly becoming Kaiji's cool bro or something? How would that make sense?

>>158259102
>He never had anything appealing in his character at all.

I don't know, I find him a highly engaging character. You really understand why Kaiji simultanously despises him and respects him. I don't want him to be redeemed, though. Even if he has some form of epiphany he still shouldn't bro up with Kaiji or anything.

Also, don't forget that Washizu is introduced as a serial killer who loves watching young men despair before they die. At the beginning, at least, he isn't that much better than Kazuya or Hyodo.

>>158259301
Washizu didn't force them to play or anything, they agreed on their own. It's not like they would be dragged to underground mines if they refused to play. He was searching for a worthy opponent and was willing to take the risk too, unlike Kazuya or Hyuodo.

>>158254014
The manga is better

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>>158257164
H E T I L T E D T H E B U I L D I N G

>>158259171
Nah not at all. I don't really expect Kaiji to forget about everything and bro up with him. But I do think that maybe he will change somehow. Well,we'll have to wait and see I guess.

>>158254014
It's not faggot. Sometimes dull, otherwise tries too hard

>>158254014
Season 1 was perfect, but season 2 dragged on for way too long. The second arc was kinda boring and should have been over before episode 20.

>>158259860
See this is why i don't believe the adaption can have been very good (despite never watching it), cause in the manga, Pachinko was one of the hypest arcs, if not THE hypest.

I really liked Salvation Game.

It was very different from the rest of the series. It was more a battle between Kaiji's idealism and Kazuyas cynicism.

Also, I'm not someone who needs a lot of "reasons" to not want someone to die in fiction. I really hoped the Asian Trio would get through everything alright.

Trust a jap, feel the slap.

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>>158258822
>"sit back down, the dealer rolls twice"

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>>158260042
>spolier
Was that the deep message?

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>>158260122
Kaiji can be an evil bastard when he wants to.

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>>158258115

>>158254687
>>158258822
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeUI3HYUm6g

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>>158260187
The last couple of chapters of part 3 were some of the best

>>158255062
>papers above anything
Literally a pointless arc with zero tension with three episodes of "here's what we gonna do" and one episode of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqPxDYdbgoc

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Ten deserves more love.

>>158260730
Ten made me cry

>>158254014
Beams were pretty interesting but dragged a bit too much.
Paper lottery arc is awful and leads to nothing.
Last five or so episodes of the Bog could easily have been condensed, which is a shame because it really kills the momentum after >HE TILTED THE BUILDING
Chinchiro arc might be some of the best TV ever produced anywhere, periode.

>>158260913
Maybe modern FKMT just doesn't lend itself very well to adapting?

kuyashi...

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Kaiji literally saved my life.

I was in the deepest NEET trenches, days passing like hours, not sleeping, not eating, you know. Highschool drop out, no future, etc.
Then I watched Kaiji, E-Card spoke to me. The emperor, and more important the slave. I was the slave, I had nothing to lose, so why not gamble with the house's money? Take some big risks, throw myself at life without any fear or worry. Make Tonegawa proud, that sort of thing.

and you know what? Life is great now. I'm in University for something I love. Grades are great, living comfortably. I've crawled out of the grave, built a future for myself. The best part is, I'm not the emperor, not yet. I could call myself the citizen sure, but why not keep living as the slave? Until I become the emperor at least. Kaiji is the best.

>>158255687
>>158257164
>>158257427
>beams
Fuck this shit. It wasn't luck, it wasn't skill, it's just plain bullshit.

>tilted the ENTIRE BUILDING

damn that was hype

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>>158259656
BEST FUCKING MOMENT

>>158261106
For every person whose bet paid off there's 999 for which it didn't and they are in a even deeper pit.

>>158261106
So how exactly did you do it anon?

Its kinda shitty at 480p tho.

>>158261106
Explain how you gambled with the house's money

>>158261106
The thing about Tonegawa's speech is that although he tells the truth, he just says things that people already know or stuff that anyone can find out with the slightest bit of self reflection. He never actually tells them how to improve and better themselves given the situation they are in.
>you're human garbage
>get a better job losers
>stop wasting your life
>quit being addicted
>don't be in 300million in debt
No kiddin Tonegawa.

>>158261396
>expecting the guy handing predatory loans to help you sort yourself out and give you solutions so you don't end up in his debt forever
It wouldn't have been fitting for the character, would it?

>>158261396
>he just says things that people already know or stuff that anyone can find out with the slightest bit of self reflection
That's the thing.
There's a difference between knowing and doing.
Look at this board, how many hikkineets are there? How many underachievers? How many people who let chances to succeed at life pass by? How many perfectly know what they should be doing right now and yet do not do it? Thousands. And yet none of them care. They wake up and the first thing they do is get on this board to shitpost.

Knowing something and acting upon it are two very different things. Not many manage to do the latter. He's not supposed to spoonfed you the solution, he's supposed to make you realize what you already know, but truly realize it, so that you finally take that first step towards finding a solution for the core issue. Even just knowing yourself AND having someone tell you what you know but have never acted upon makes a big different, someone that is not you, something external.

>>158261278
If you never gamble you never win. When behind you lay only the valley of death, any path no matter the danger is the path to success.

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>>158261333
I just stopped being afraid. Every reason I was a NEET stopped mattering. Stress or social anxiety stop mattering when you realize even they are an improvement and a path to betterment. Other's opinions stop even factoring in when you decide your future and happiness are all that matter to you. You stop putting in your own chips, social standing, self confidence, comfort, etc. Those aren't what you're betting anymore. You've taken out a low interest lone and filled the pot.
Gamble on getting with that girl, or just talking to those people, who cares what happens? If you lose you're just back to where you were 2 seconds ago.
Gamble on getting into school, don't get in? Well you're right back to where you were before you made the bet.
Gamble on that GPA and making your student loans pay off. You lost? Who cares, you didn't have a future before all this anyway.

You're not playing with your chips anymore. You don't have any chips. You're the slave, a cornered rat that has no choice but to lash out. Claw and bite without fear, because if you don't you'll just be devoured by the cat anyway.

>>158261396
True, though E-card is a big metaphor on how to go about it. That combined with just being alive and awake in the moment.

>>158261106
Did you actually gamble with the house's money? Why always choosing the hardest way though, why not just going to uni, study, find a nice job etc?

>>158261396
>with the slightest bit of self reflection
That's the point. When people don't have even that, someone has to show them that the hard way.
>how to improve and better themselves
Why spoon feed these losers, everyone has to find their way, work hard and succeed or stay a human garbage forever. If you expect someone to always show you the way, you'll never stop being useless loser.

>>158261495
>Look at this board, how many hikkineets are there? How many underachievers? How many people who let chances to succeed at life pass by? How many perfectly know what they should be doing right now and yet do not do it? Thousands. And yet none of them care. They wake up and the first thing they do is get on this board to shitpost.
wew projecting much?

>>158260001
Well, there were literally groups of episodes, where the ball didn't go anywhere interesting. It was just so slow, since it was more than half the seasons. Season 1 had 5 different games, and the pacing was good.

>>158261930
It was pretty slow but I was snorting up those episodes like cocaine. I'm glad I didn't watch it while it was still airing.

>>158260187
Everyone Kaiji fucks with deserves it though.

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Will the two chinks betray him too in the future guys? ;_;

>>158262462
It's entirely possible. I'd be fucking pissed.

>>158262462
Everyone betrays him. I won't even be surprised.

>>158261930
i think the pacing works better in the manga since, you know, it's a manga.

>>158263072
>5 fucking chapters to turn the cards
Eh no, not really

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>>158261514
Fuck i'm a pretty big normie but I have social anxiety but hearing this from a former neet actually gave me some confidence

not gonna go gamble money but I think I will try to take more life risks, thanks anon.

Fucking loved this series.
The ultimate comfy binge show, with the greatest suspense I've ever seen.
The fact that they didn't shy away from things like death, loss, finger loss, and BUILDING TILTING makes kaijis wins feel so much more deserved.

The second half of the bog arc did drag on a little too much but when kaiji put his eyes on the money and finally won
It was one of the greatest feelings I got from a fictional story.

So my question is, where do I go from here?
I finished the anime and need more.
Where do I read the manga?
Is it still ongoing?
Also I heard something about a spinoff

>>158261553
>>158263271
I'm speaking metaphorically. I don't mean actual casinos and what not. Everything you do is a gamble. Good luck.

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>>158254014
RPS = E-card > 17 steps > dice > raffle = Bog > beams > salvation game. Mind you I love every gamble with salvation game being the only one I'd call a weak game since beam race was shorter and more intense for Kaiji.

That being said, beams and salvation game got me the closest to crying. Shit like pic related almost made me slump over in tears.

One poker is alright so far, I'm not too spoiled on it so I'm not sure what direction it will go. As a gamble so far I'd probably put it on par with Bog/tissue box raffle.

>>158263548
Yeah manga is still ongoing and it's really good.

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>>158263708
>mfw Mitsuyama starts apologising and the realisation hits me.

>>158263934
The conclusion of salvation game kinda lacked a big twist or trick or something like that but i still think it was really good and interesting.

>>158254351>>158254786

Did you read the japanese raws?

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>>158263548
>So my question is, where do I go from here?
Read the rest of the manga, Series 3 picks up where the anime left off.

>Where do I read the manga?
Either use an online reader or download the chapters from fkmtkrazy

>Is it still ongoing?
Yep, the original manga is at the end of Part 5, but the scanlation is only halfway through it.

>Also I heard something about a spinoff
There's Middle Manager Tonegawa which is a 3-chapter comedic spinoff about Tonegawas day-to-day life trying to invent new games for Hyodo.

>>158264086
Not all of them. I try to stay away from spoilers but I just had to read the latest chapter. The translations are so slow it's killing me.

>>158263934
I had a pit in my stomach for a long time because I noticed that even though the other two had their moments of weakness, Mitsuyama was the only one who truly crumpled under pressure and played differently. Remember he apologized rather than try and convey they can trust him. It was a small crack, it showed he didn't think he COULD convey this too them showing a lack of trust and love the other two had. Mitsuyama was not as desperate as they were, he was the one who needed to do the game but he wasn't in as bad a situation as the other two who had no life before coming to Japan. The other two prioritize life and climbing out of hell, but Mitsuyama wanted to recover his pride. He's not evil, but that seed of darkness was something that in such a situation Kazuya really could take advantage and expose his inner wickedness and that he's more a piece of shit when it comes to his true character.

The ending is kinda abrupt but that's because the gamble is only half a story, it's entirely meant to set the scene for one poker. As shitty as the ending is because Kazuya wins the game due to the betrayal, he is completely shaken due to Chang, Mario, and especially Kaiji shattering his world view and revealing that there really are people who can choose to help someone even if they risk their lives in the process.

Also Chang is best Asia Trio member.

I'm surprised to see so many people in this thread saying they didn't like The Bog. It was probably my favorite part of the whole manga so far.

>>158256847
Death Note has cute boys, Kaiji has ugly old men with weird noses

>>158264370
Yeah, Fukomoto did a great job establishing ahead of time who the betrayer was going to be. Mitsuyama seemed much more concerned with appearing good than he did actually being it. It's why I really like the ending, he keeps insisting that he's only betraying them because he can't trust Chang to not betray him, but as Kazuya keeps extending the timer and his excuses gets weaker and weaker, he's forced to stop his pretenses of nobility and essentially beg Kazuya to kill the others.

Mitsuyama was the kind of person that Kazuya was talking about the whole time: Someone who keeps trying to excuse himself and appear dignified even as he's killing his two best friends for money.

It makes Kaiji's instinctive altruism all the more satisfying.

>>158264544
Are you somehow suggesting that Kaiji isn't cute af? And what about Akagi? He's a total bishie dish. And a silver fox to boot.

>>158264450
I liked it when I watched all the episodes in one go but I can't imagine the suffering of having to wait each week to see if the damn ball would go in.

>>158264798
That's all of FKMT really. Imagine reading Washizu arc for 20 years.

>>158264450
I think the Bog got slightly stretched in the anime but honestly I only think like 2 episodes could have been combined, nothing drastic. I love it for the absurdity in how it's a game with zero skill or rationale in the game, it's two sides competing in fooling each other and trying to surpass the other in terms of cheating. Every tactic Kaiji does is a means of cheating a cheat or buying time for his cheating measures to take effect. The Bog is great because it surpasses bring a gamble and feels more like a bank heist.

>>158264587
That's why the salvation game is both the weakest gamble and strangely one of the strongest emotional moments in the series. It's a psychological study playing out in front of Kaiji where it starts being Kazuya waiting to be proven right and Kaiji hoping that Kazuya is wrong but as it goes along you see it develop to Kaiji waiting to be proven right and Kazuya hoping he gets proven right.

Kaiji instinctively saving them even though he knows it's not the smart move and hating himself for pissing his all important money away, but it shows the humanity in Kaiji and that he unfortunately is just a good person. Him being a good person is both a great strength and a great weakness as a gambler.

>>158264544
The only cute boy in Death Note is arguably L, everyone else is either insane like Light or has no personality whatsoever. FKMT guys look angular to say the least, but they have strong characters.

>>158256847
Knifechins and big noses are instant pleb-filters.

>>158256419
Why do you think that? Kaiji was made to suffer.

>>158259473
>he was searching for a worthy opponent
Wasn't he presented as just a crazy (but successful, rich) asshole who thought he deserved to live more than talentless young people do, so he made up this whole kind of mahjong just to kill them? It's not supposed to be a fair game and he really wasn't looking for a worthy opponent, just to kill. Kinda spooky how we started off like that.

>>158260187
fucking iconic

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>>158260730
The series was definitely one of (if not the) FKMT's best, and also the character of Ten is great. that ending made me cry most out of anything ever

>>158264086
Yeah, although I don't know japanese nearly enough to get everything. I'm not really avoiding spoilers considering basically nothing fucking happens in the 90 chapters fkmtkrazy are behind on.

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>>158264544
foolish

>>158254014
>pointy nose crying man
>good

>>158266500
i know anon, but i don't want him to ;_;
either way i'm sure it's going to be epic

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>>158264544
Are you for real? No one in DN can't even come close to the cuteness level of Akagi and especially Kaiji it's basically impossible.

>>158264979
I feel the same.

If you approach the Salvation Game the same way you approach the Mahjong arc or the Pachinko arc, it's pretty boring. You have to approach it as its own thing.

It's one of the things I like about Kaiji. Each arc has its own style and feel to it. The Bog felt like a heist thriller while 17 Steps was a slow-burn stage-play. You certainly can't blame Fukomoto for not experimenting and trying new things.

>>158264106
Thanks for all the help

>>158254014
The show is great, but not perfect.

>>158271247
fuck you

>>158271247
He hates it.

Whats the difference between Hyoudou and Washizu

>>158273544
Washizu has something of a nobility about him, which Hyoudou lacks.

I think the most telling difference between the two is their relationship with their underlings. Washizus henchmen basically venerate the man, and while he berates them and calls them idiots, Washizu still listens to their input and even (to their surprise) remembers their names.

Meanwhile, I never got the impression that any of Hyoudou's underlings actually like him. They all fear him, but none of them show the kind of adoration that Washizu's henchmen has for him. Hyoudou has his henchmen dragged off to be tortured if he doesn't like the tone of their voice. Hyoudou only positive trait (which Washizu also shares) is that he has a sense of "fairness" about the outcome of a match, but unlike Washizu, he'll cheat his fucking ass off while the game is going.

Washizu is a cruel, hateful man who's off his rockers, but he's nowhere near as vile and insane as Hyoudou.

>>158273544
Washizu wasn't fucking batshit crazy.

>>158273544
>>158259473
>>158259102

>>158262462
They won't, they're like diamonds.

>>158274157
That's what I believed for his previous "friends" too.

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>people liked the beams

>>158274339
Beams were difficult to watch because they were essentially a bunch of poor, broken men panicking and dying miserably for the amusement of rich psychopaths. But that's also what I like about them: they were a great underlining to the point that "Gambling is not fun and you don't want to be these people. The gambling world is not your friend, it wants to lock you in an eternal debt cycle that slowly drains the life from your body".

They weren't really gambles, though, and I do think that Brave Men Road part 2 dragged on longer than it had to.

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>>158273544
Washizu is cute, CUTE!

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>>158275090
Washizu is my 3d favourite fkmt "boy". I'm convinced at this point that he actually can't die.

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>>158275262

I have good information that we might be getting 2 chapters of Kaiji a week.

>>158275326
Source?

Kaiji is simply awesome, with more psychology and drama than any hollywood shit nowadays, the plot is simple but the feelings high, the life of a looser, first season is 10 and second is strikeback.

So yes, perfect

>>158275326
I want to believe you, anon. but that's just too much to hope for.

>>158275378
>>158275397
It's something I heard in a stream from the translator while he was playing mahjong

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WHERE IS MY KUROSAWA ADAPTATION?

>>158255057
Never
The only way Kurosawa or any other FKMT manga for that matter would get an anime adaptation is if they first got a live action adaptation

>>158275704
You mean Shin Kurosawa that's currently being released in Japan?

>>158255057
never, too painful. worse then needles scene.

>>158275745
Shin Kurosawa is kinda shitty tb.h

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Best FKMT villain

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>>158275704
>tfw the breakdown Kurosawa has after Tarou's accident

>>158258596
Yes, but so would anyone who wasn't a psychopath.

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>>158254014
Kurosawa is my favorite FKMT manga, and one of his best works, but I'm still fucking mad that this bitch never got her just desserts

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>>158276218
>when the other workers start crying

Shit fucking got me like a brick.

>>158276356
Looks like Ichijou

>>158260187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nob_LzFNbX4

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Just finished reading Ten, those last 3 volumes were just amazing...

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What's your opinion on Zero?

>>158278207
part 1 was great

part 2 was a snorefest

>>158278296
Part 1 was puzzles and part 2 was detective focused mostly.

>>158278207
Zero seems like a nice guy.

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>>158277503
Kaiji is kawaii

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>>158277503
>>158278920
RON RON RONRORNRONRON RON RON RON

>>158275833
Shin Kurosawa is the only FKMT that I don't like. It's not needed and should be ignored because it takes away from the ending of Kurosawa.