○フリップフラッパーズ 【全6巻】
巻数 初動 発売日
01巻 *,883 17.01.06
02巻 *,795 17.02.02
03巻 *,786 17.03.02
04巻 *,772 17.04.04
05巻 *,747 17.05.02
06巻 *,736 17.06.02←New
This work was good
What was wrong?
>>158185247
>What was wrong?
Yayacuck
>>158185247
>What was wrong?
We had this a million times, basically no advertisment. This was planned as an arthouse project anyway and 3Hz was paid beforehand. For them so far this went right.
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Flop flappers
>Cockona
>>158185493
Do you have source on the no advertisement thing? And no advertisement relative to what? Most late night anime get little advertisement and usually only in Akihabara or underpopulated train stations. Wasn't this airing at 9pm? That timeslot is much better than what most shows get.
>>158185247
Salt was shit.
Did they make the last episodes not look like shit on the BDs tho
>>158185247
It's just not a good show.
>>158185247
Juvenile faux-intellectual, name-dropping tripe with abysmal characters and writing.
Most people aren't as easily fooled as the retards on /a/ that just took a psychology class and believe they're witnessing something clever and profound.
>>158186582
It was great direction-wise, too bad it didn't have the writing to match.
>>158185766
Ultimately, Flip Flappers just didn't interest nip otaku at all.
>>158186863
If only there wasn't a certain switch...
>>158185247
It was boring, inconsistent animation, nonsensical plot and characters.
All it had going for it was yuri and they couldn't properly commit.
Hey, who knows, perhaps the nips actually streamed this anime a lot.
I'm kinda surprised that anybody is still somehow willing to make business with Infinite, though.
Their last three anime projects were utter failures on a grand scale, and they wasted everyone's time and money and effort with "trying" to fix Regalia to prevent it from looking worse when nobody was watching it anyway. .
>>158187075
>inconsistent animation
What the fuck am I reading? You only notice the last two eps because the entire rest of the show was one of the most consistent of the whole year.
>>158185922
They fixed some things.
>>158187925
Most consistently mediocre, maybe.
>>158187216
Infinite is the one making business with them.
>>158187000
Probably that. I loved the first half but dislike almost everything after that. It reminded me of Basquash which seemed to become one of my favorite series of the last years when it was airing - till the point when they switched the director and everything turned into a shitty clusterfuck with moon giants.
They should have sticked with the plot of the first part until the end.
yet another good show that got memed to death because the shaft show that season wasn't shitpostable enough
>>158188106
The thing is that the entire plot had been established before they started animating and remained unchanged throughout the series.
The only real change was making episode 8 about giant robots instead of zombies.
>>158188188
Well there was no plot in the first part
>>158185247
>This work was good
No it wasn't
>>158188262
Cocona discovering herself and resolving her doubts if she loved Papika as a sister, as a friend or as a lover.
Good fuck yurifags and fuck their shitty anime
>>158188333
You mean that uninteresting part of the show since both characters were bland and awful archetypes to begin with? I didn't care about that sorry.
>>158188465
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man
>>158188508
That and everyone else's opinion who didn't buy the anime.
>>158187938
I wonder if they'll fix the final battle
Some oframes were of the finest QUALITY
>>158185247
This is what happens when sakuga animators try to make a show.
All style and no substance.
>>158188555
>Implying that Japan has good taste.
>>158185766
Well, it didn't have advertisement in Akihabara, or anywhere really. Other anime get radio talk shows, billboards and posters in otaku-ish places, all sorts of merch. It was clear from the beginning the producers made no effort to advertise FliFla, even though most people who watched it liked it.
>>158185668
>Papianus
Did any of anons who ordered Infinite set received theirs yet?
>>158185247
The story was dog shit, the characters were boring and the animation quality dropped off.
You could really feel that writer change.
>>158190730
I haven't even gotten a shipping confirmation yet.
It was not that good. Some episodes were amazing, but those ones really stood out. They couldn't manage to do it consistently.
>>158193782
I consider the first 7 episodes to all be 10/10, and the show overall to be 10/10. The latter portion of the show hit some bumps, but it still did a lot more than most people give it credit for I feel.
>>158193782
What episodes would you say are bad? I can only think of some episodes that weren't that exciting (4 and 10). I would also put 7 low, because in my opinion it didn't really work like intended, but it's still a very good episode on its own.
>>158194091
The scene with Cocona and Papina on the bed was way too good, it makes episode 7 worth it just on its own.
>>158194229
Yes, this was a very good scene. Just feel like there was not enough of something like this and some time wasted on Papikas that weren't interesting or fun. Would have liked to see Cocona spending some more time with one of the boyish Papikas, which some might find heretical.
It also had some nice visuals, but not a world that looked like a PI.
>>158193947
It's a 7/10 at it's best, anon.
Needs more doujins
I...wrote a song for Cocona, and it goes like this:
Outside there's a culvert waiting
Outside the dog's pissing tree
Out by the fire breathing
Outside we wait 'til face turns blue
I know the nervous walking
I know the dirty Bu-chan hangs
Out by the hoverboard waiting
Take me away to nowhere plains
There is a wait so long
You'll never wait so long
Here comes your Yayaka
Here comes your Yayaka
Here comes your Yayaka
Big shake on the hoverboard moving
Big shake to the land that's falling down
Is a wind makes a palm stop blowing
A big, big bright light shine and break Salt's Mimi
There is a wait so long
You'll never wait so long
Here comes your Yayaka
Here comes your Yayaka
Here comes your Yayaka
Here comes your Yayaka
There is a wait so long
You'll never wait so long
Here comes your Yayaka
Here comes your Yayaka
Here comes your Yayaka
Here comes your Yayaka
>>158194652
Guess what, fag?I disagree
>>158185493
>Didn't even sell 800 copies each
>"this went right"
Even as an arthouse project, the sales are really, really low. I was thinking that they were maybe predicting to sell about 2k on average, but really, only ~750 average is fucking terrible
>>158185247
Every single madoka clone flops, no exception.
>>158196075
Madoka didn't invent the concept of magical girls. Enough with this meme.
>>158185247
Original show with weird art, no big names, little promotion, and a story that was hard to get into. It's no wonder it remained niche in Japan.
>>158196075
1. Not all magical girl shows are Madoka clones.
2. I wouldn't call it a clone, but YuYuYu sold well.
>>158196439
They just swapped the personalities a bit, I mean, Yayaka is blonde Kyouko, for example, but it is still about:
>Fated meetings. Where one girl knew the other due to some sketchy time stuff.
>A magical world that changes the real one.
>Each world has a boss that drops a gem.
>Wish granting.
>Kind character is revealed to actually have an ulterior motive.
>MC is emotionally unstable, does not hear the advice of the other girl, causing a lot of trouble and placing her trust in people who do not deserve it.
>>158196998
>Fated meetings. Where one girl knew the other due to some sketchy time stuff
Wasn't really fated, and the time stuff is really a minor footnote in Flip Flappers, whereas in Madoka it ends up basically being the core plot mechanic.
>A magical world that changes the real one
Not what either stories are about, and the methods through which the worlds are changed by the magical worlds is rather different. Walpurgisnacht is basically forcing the real world into her barrier, while Mimi is trying to permanently fuse Pure Illusion with the real world.
>Each world has a boss that drops a gem
Cute coincidence. Pure Illusion doesn't always have a boss though, just some sort of defense mechanism, and most Pure Illusions are empty. The purpose and significance of "gems" are also entirely different between the series.
>Wish granting
Which was a red herring in Flip Flappers, and was never realised, nor a real possiblity.
>Kind character is revealed to actually have an ulterior motive
I assume you're referring to Papika and Homura? Papika didn't understand what was going on due to her memories being muddled by the time reversal stuff, she was earnestly attracted to Cocona and Pure Illusion, and just following Salt's orders as far as collecting the amorphous shards goes until her memories resurface later on. And Homura was anything but kind to any of the characters. The only ones who were kind to Madoka were Sayaka and Mami, neither of which had ulterior motives.
>MC is emotionally unstable[...]
This doesn't happen in either show.
Madoka is a dark tragic story about magical girls which thematically focuses on the idea of never giving up hope, and always fighting for a brighter future no matter what.
Flip Flappers is a loopy show ostensibly about playfully exploring crazy magical alternate dimensions, which ends up being about finding your own self, the nature of love, and exploration of umwelt and Jungian philosophy.
Not similar at all.
>>158190730
God damnit, that looks wonderful. Im regretting only getting the standard ver
Early lolsorandom episodes killed the show
>muh alzheimers le who are you
Worst episode by far
>>158199317
>muh alzheimers le who are you
What episode was that?
>>158186582
>name-dropping
Tell us a single name that was dropped.
If you want some real name-dropping, look no further than Madoka.
You all don't deserve flip flap. The director intentionally dumbed down the intellectual intensity in the first half because he was afraid of scaring off casuals. It's a design and the writer didn't matter much. Yet it turns out the dumbed down part is the only thing you can latch onto. The director feels stuck between a rock and a hard place.
See the new interview from Animestyle.
>>158199816
There was no intellectual intensity in this show.
>>158200010
You are too dumb to perceive.
>>158190730
This
>>158193216
>>158193216
>>158200093
Where did you anons order from? Infinity shop or elsewhere?
>>158200331
I used the order request for cdjapan, they've held my thousand dollars for many months now.
>>158200331
Infinite shop. Just buy from the horse's month.
>>158185247
Too far ahead of it's time. In a thousand years people will excavate Flip Flap BDs from ruins of Japan and build a transcendential cult around it. We on the other hand are too pleb to experience it.
>>158199473
One that was shit, probably 5 or 6.
>>158200543
Not a thousand year. I'd say three to five years before Oshiyama's next hit piece elevates this to a status of the gunbuster of psyfi anime. Recall that Yuasa's first or two works were also obscure web of mess.
Opinion on Flip Flappers should be a litmus test for taste on /a/.
lesbians
that went wrong
>>158200698
Where is the ahoge in that pic
>>158195502
Too bad the show wasn't popular enough to warrant the creation of doujins.
>>158200779
It's very hard to fetishize the characters. They are just too self-contained.
>>158200838
Tell that to Futanon.
>>158200838
There should be 100 yuri doujins right now if it was more popular
>>158199816
That means it was on him for not just going full-on intellectual.
>What was wrong?
They tried too hard to be Gainax. But nobody there had the same skills as Anno or Tsurumaki.
>>158200589
Oh you mean Iro-chan's episode, involving the old woman with actual alzheimers? I thought you were poorly alluding to Papika's muddled memories.
What was your problem with that episode?
>>158201170
Nobody tried to be Gainax. The director specifically said he is not a lolicon. And Oshiyama is not mentally ill as Anno. Infinite earned some fuxk you money from shirobako so there was little pressure to pander to the audience unlike Gainax.
>>158187938
Am I blind? I don't see any difference
>>158203714
Just Papika's face, as far as I can tell, mainly the shadows. These BD touch-ups are always very minor.
>>158188232
oshiyama was literally crying on twitter about having to save the series from disaster because they didnt know what the fuck to do with the second half.
>>158203752
>These BD touch-ups are always very minor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOfr40OVtZA
>>158203827
They know. But they don't know how the audience will feel about it. Who the fuck think about how his life issues originate from his mother? Nobody until late 20s.
>>158204309
How the fuck did the TV version look so awful?
These aren't even touch-ups, it's a completely fresh animation from scratch. What the hell.
>>158203827
No, he was crying on twitter because he worked like a week nonstop to get the product finished for airing.
>>158185247
I thought it was interesting, but my problem was with the later episodes. The plot took far too long to kick in and felt like it was tacked on. The previous episodes were just wacky adventures in strange settings with the objective being to beat the boss and grab the amorphous. The last few episodes tried to cram in a ton of background info AND conclude the story they created in too little of time. The quality also took a dive in the last few episodes, while early episodes were absolutely gorgeous (3 for example).
Even then, the background info didn't explain shit like the scientist KKK cult, the whole strange Papika de-aging process shown in the later episodes, and a couple of other things. Heck, I can't even remember the Third Amorphous child's name because she was so irrelevant to the plot.
>>158204557
The real plot is ultimately very hostile to the usual anime viewers. The real plot is about your relationship with your mother and how that defines your ego. No amount of visual candy can hide that inherent unpleasantness. Yet being unpleasant is very far from being bad, quite to the contrary.
>>158185247
Sometimes bad shows have good sales.
Sometimes good shows have bad sales.
In this case a bad show got bad sales, what's the problem?
>>158204557
>The previous episodes were just wacky adventures in strange settings with the objective being to beat the boss and grab the amorphous.
I can't believe anyone could think this was actually the case. Like how dumb do you have to be? Not even during airing did anyone think this.
>>158205232
Nigga you and I both know the early episodes (1-5) did not have any relation to Mimi at all. Each one had to do with building friendship and trust, along with a few other things. You also got smacked with some feels in episode 7.
The whole Mimi protecting Coconut didn't come into effect until the last few episodes. Heck, no one even fully explained what the amorphous did until then.
>>158205341
What are the monsters in ep 1 and what are the monsters in ep 13? Found any resemblance?
>>158185247
>MAO sign
Can I have that?
>>158205341
>being this fucking retarded
Why are you even in this thread if you clearly didn't understand basic themes or imagery? What made you come in here just to tell everyone how dumb you were?
>>158205410
>implying you could make that connection at all by watching the show while it was airing
You'd realize it once you got to 13, but if you went into the show blind, all you'd get out of it is Papicunt and Cockna going on adventures in themed lands to get the shiny rocks, with some tension about friendship between them. The later episodes DO bring in a plot, but they do so far too late. Episode 6 shows the concept of fucking up people's brains (which is later shown with Salt's dad), much like the monsters in 1 and 13. The issue is none of this is brought up in a fashion that is gradual. It's just "oh so THAT'S what that was" when you get to it.
>>158205475
By all means, explain it to me then. I'm all ears.
>>158205341
Thematic and symbolic relevance. Saying that the exploration and experimentation with Pure Illusion, or the development of the Cocona/Papika relationship are all irrelevant to the plot seems kind of dumb, no offense.
It's like saying most of Eva was irrelevant because it had no relation to Seele and Instrumentality. You're missing the point, as well as the fact that the final climax couldn't happen the way it does without the characters having gone through what they've gone through in the earlier episodes, nor without the viewers understanding the story's world thanks to those same episodes.
>>158205543
So your issue is that when a new concept is introduced (like the deeper layer of PI in the Iro episode), the show doesn't outright tell you what that concept is going to be used for in the long run or grand scheme of things?
>>158205543
There were too many signs to not notice. But it's alright if you missed it.
The early episodes were ripe for all kinds of deconstruction: what are the rocks, what are pure illusions, what are the girl/woman in the boat, etc and they prepared visual answers to all of that so it's not just random guesses.
>>158205668
That's wondering why/how a thing exists, not deconstruction. Pure Illusion for example wasn't even explained until far later on, with hints of it being tied to reality in Episode 6, along with its proper explanation in Episode 10-13.
Stop trying to make a puddle look deep.
>>158195602
GJ
>>158204557
>>158205341
The plot was hiding in plain sight since the start. Not the anime's fault it didn't spoonfeed you everything. Even then, ep6 shoved in the viewers face the fact that the previous episodes were more than just simple "wacky adventures"
>>158185247
>This work was good
It had potential at least. In the end sakuga can't carry a show.
>>158205543
The entire story is about character development and everything else is just a piece of setting. It's about Cocona opening up, getting over her self-isolation, discovering love, and facing her manifestation of all her problems in the form of her mother. It's about telling a story through imagery rather than words, where you can watch two episodes multiple weeks apart and see clear changes in character behavior that they got from earlier happenings, or gather information from the setting or things the camera shows you. The entire concept came from Oshiyama reading Von Uexkull's works and thinking animating the concept would be neat. For instance, Episode 8 isn't about giant robots, it's about Cocona feeling uncomfortable in her own body and having to come to terms with making her own decisions about how to handle Pure Illusion and how to handle her budding feelings for Papika. Aesclepius does not matter to the story at all and is just a mechanism to drive along Cocona's story, that's why they were never given special attention. Same with Salt or the twins.
>>158205734
Holy shit you are fucking retarded. This was actually too deep for you, holy fucking shit.
>>158205633
More like the issue is how they introduce a concept (deeper layer of PI), only to drop it and make ZERO mention of it until Episode 10. The show did this repeatedly with concepts, instead of building on them.
>>158205869
Except none of that "hiding in plain sight" meant anything at the time it was airing. It was all just blind speculation and "guess what happens next". Episode 6 for example had people guessing that PI could change reality, but none of this was confirmed until far later on with Salt's dad and Yayaka explaining how collecting all the Amorphous could warp reality.
>>158205734
Actually the concept of Pure Illusion is fully explained in ep 1 but only after you properly look into it. The concept of Pure Illusion is a combination of a psychoanalytic reading (by a Japanese psychoanalyst whose name I forgot) of Zhuangzi's dream argument and Uexkull's biosemiotics. And by deconstruction I mean its original meaning of the method of critical investigation of meaning and text. The optical illusions and the citation of Ten Nights of Dreams all point to the a larger question in the said references about the nature of reality: does reality exist or it is all illusions? Hence the notion of pure illusion. Episode 2 was a visual demonstration of how a pure illusion looks like using Uexkull's textbook examples. If you pay attention the Oshiyama episode in Space Dandy was also a pure illusion.
I am 90% sure this guy is trolling and is one of the same people who posted the exact same things when the show was airing.
>>158205734
People correctly understood what Pure Illusion was when episode 2 aired. All it took was a closer look and deeper consideration of what the anime was showing/telling you.
>>158206664
The issue is how you're looking at it. Saying they "correctly" understood PI is easy in hindsight, but it was just a guess at the time until the show provided proof of what it was. What I'm getting at is the show didn't give a proper explanation of things until far later.
>>158206003
>Episode 6 for example had people guessing that PI could change reality
So they were able to correctly deduce what the show was telling them? How can you find a problem with this?
>>158206795
There's more to storytelling than blunt exposition.
In lieu of expository dialogue, Flip Flappers uses many different sources of information to give the audience all of the information it needs to understand what is going on, and it is up to the audience to piece together the picture. Flip Flappers succeeded at this, because people were arriving at the correct conclusions all throughout its run time.
Just because some people might be too stupid or just not paying enough attention to what is happening in the show, doesn't mean the show is flawed because of it.
>>158206926
>Flip Flappers succeeded at this, because people were arriving at the correct conclusions all throughout its run time.
I can make a bunch of guesses and be right too, but that doesn't make it good storytelling. Some of it was fairly obvious, but the show itself didn't give a hard confirmation until later, when it should have done it far sooner and then played with the concept. For example, we should have immediately gotten a deep PI episode after 6 showing Papicunt and Coconut fixing some problem by manipulating deep PI. Instead we got "well I GUESS that PI can change reality, let's not mention it again until the end of the show".
>>158207070
Finding a portal to a deeper layer of PI is out of their control, it's not like they chose not to use it again. And besides, a huge point of that whole episode is that changing the real world with PI is dangerous and very risky.
All of the warnings would have been very out of place if Papika and Cocona just started jumping into deeper layers all willy-nilly, especially when they just say Iroha throwing out her paintings. Seemingly to them, the changes they were responsible for were bad.
>I can make a bunch of guesses and be right too
There is a world of difference between randomly guessing at a conclusion, and using facts and evidence to support your assumptions and coming to the correct conclusion. You're basically calling the entire real-world scientific process nothing more than random guessing, because the universe is never going to exposit the correct answer to us. But if the all of the evidence supports only one conclusion and nothing else, then it's very safe to say that said conclusion is the correct one. As is the case with Flip Flappers.
>>158185247
What's the 7th disk?
I bought the full bd set from amazon jp. I should've just forked over the extra few hundred and gotten the limited edition. Fuck.
At least I get the special bd box I guess.
>>158208851
It's a nice looking set, but the price difference is so large that I'm not really upset about it. I got the regular volumes from Amazon and I should have the last one tomorrow. Ordered various artbooks with the volumes to make the shipping work out even better.
>>158185247
>01巻 *,883 17.01.06
>06巻 *,736 17.06.02
So 147 people gave up on hopes and dreams?
>>158185318
who now?
>flip flappers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viopUjM0sLE
>>158212276
>no ciudad dura
>no desdoblamiento
ftfy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JDYCqdpRJY
>>158185668
i hate this meme
>>158214337
It hates you too.
>>158185247
>This work was good
>>158215097
no it doesnt
I wish they would have fixed more things. But, cannot blame them when the sales is this low.
>>158216798
Yes it does. Everyone and everything hates you.