Is Shirou a well written character?

>>158182796
Yes.

>>158182796
No.

>>158182796
No

>>158182796
Maybe

>>158182796
Could you repeat the question?

>>158182796
You shouldn't count on it.

>>158182796
2/10, made me reply.

Shirou is cool!

The deeper parts of his character are well-written if you can get past the way he acts like a standard action-harem protagonist.

>>158183743
>The deeper parts of his character are well-written
Hella fucking no.

Nah

Better than most japanese protaganists.

>>158182796
Yes.

People used to love this dude. What happened?
Granted I never much cared for him either, I'm just surprised.

>>158182796
Yes, and no
Because Archer is

>>158184139
????
As i recall it, people meme the fuck out of him and still do even today.
What changed was that Fate is considered shit today because it's popular.

>>158182796
No. F/SN sucks, good premise but poorly written, too much info dumping. The show isn't much better.

>>158184167
>Archer
Kek. Kill yourself underage.

>>158184235
>poorly written
Explain.

>>158182796
Yes, he's especially better than his dad. It's kinda hard for me to pick between EMIYA and Shirou personally because I consider them the same character, and at the same time they're different.

>>158184220
Well at least it's finally considered what it is.

>>158182796
Yes, he's well written, especially considering both UBW and HF. Obviously there are mental retards that say the opposite just for luz.

Anyways, well written does not necessarily mean likable. The dullness he uses, in many cases at the limit of the reasonable, can make his actions tedious to follow, but the character has a beginning, a goal, and even some great challenges that force his growth, sometimes not for the better. These are all good writing elements for a character.

>>158184139
People watch the UBW anime and think they know anything about F/SN.
The lack of internal dialogues alongside other things butchered his character.

>>158182796
>I need to save EVERYONE
>kills a man
He literally never follows through with his ideals.

>>158184837
Who did he kill? Which route?

>>158182796
Who cares? He's cute af and prime waifu material.

>>158182796
Yes. He's fantastically developed but at the same time a victim of secondary memes for over a decade.

>>158184872
>Kirei in Fate, was willing to kill Shinji
>tried to kill Gilgamesh in UBW
>kills Kirei in HF
>inb4 Kirei doesn't count

>>158182796
Ha! Trick question!
People who use 'well-written' unironically are all sub-80-IQ liberal arts majors who are trying to emulate Ben Crosshaw by pretending that getting an A in their high school English class makes them not completely useless.

They are, however, completely useless, therefore all answers are wrong.

Nobody in the Fates verse is a well written character.

>>158183743
>standard action-harem protagonist.

Secondaries.

Nothing Fate related is "good".

It is extremely popular tho.

>>158182796
Yes.

>>158182796
>the jackhammer.jpg
kek

>>158184971
You misunderstand his ideals.
He wanted to be a superhero who could save everyone and a superhero needs a villain.
That's why Kirei told him to REJOICE, because he will finally find his villain in the HGW.
Having Kirei become the final boss was the best thing that could happen to his life.

>Shinji
He was willing, but did he actually do it? He even felt sad when he actually died IIRC.

>HF
He does betrays his ideals here.

>>158184990
>acts like
Learn to read you stupid twat.

>>158184971
When character says, I want to save everyone, it does not mean "EVERYONE". It means "Everyone that need help".

And yet, in HF Shirou it comes to denying his ideals after a long journey and suffering, so I do not understand what you are talking about, apart from the usual Unlimited bait Works.

>>158184770
Ok as a secondary how did it differ from the anime?
Regardless of execution, the entire plot was fucking dumb as shit, Shirou especially.
Can't believe I watched the whole thing, I'd have been better off reading a synopsis of the VN to gauge my interest in the universe than watch that piece of shit.

Yes, Shirou is awesome.

>>158185215
>the entire plot was fucking dumb as shit, Shirou especially
Explain.

>>158185385
Do you really expect him to argue?

>>158185511
Yes, actually.
Because for some reason people here don't put their arguments in their posts and instead puts it when someone else replied to their post.

>>158185385
Characters were completely one dimensional, especially Shirou and Gilgamesh, and Rin/Saber were quite terrible as well.
Been a long time since I watched it, so I can't remember specifics but the whole 'muh friendship' asspull in the final battle was bullshit. Gilgamesh should have killed Shirou instantly if they didn't amp up the whole villain gloating act to extremes and beyond.

>>158185602
This is common in online discussions. They usually don't expect people to press the issue.

By the way, in the novel, the issues of the damages left by the Servants are somehow developed? Archer goes Full nuclear in the cemetery, It's not exactly something that passes unnoticed.

>>158185636
>Gilgamesh should have killed Shirou instantly if they didn't amp up the whole villain gloating act to extremes and beyond

Gilgamesh's entire character is about him being a smug arrogant fuck

surprisingly it has drawbacks

>>158185636
None of the problems you mention have to do with the plot. All the problems you mention have to do with the fact that you didn't read the VN.

>>158182796
He's gorgeous. If he was real, i would spend the rest of my life with him, helping him to become a real superhero. Ave Shirou!

>>158185636
>I watched it
There's your problem.

>>158182796
He's a good written husband for Sakura, OTP

>>158184139
He chose Sakura-chan

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>>158185697
>Gilgamesh's entire character is about him being a smug arrogant fuck
That's very racist, anon.

>>158185716
>>158185736
Which I said first thing, VN's are long and nasuverse is huge, I just used the anime to gauge my interest if I liked the style/themes/setting.
>>158185697
Of course he was an arrogant prick, but they laid it on way too fucking thick, it was absolutely absurd.

>>158185804
So you entered the franchise through the worst possible entry point, after everyone told you not to, and surprisingly you left with a bitter taste.

I am amazed at how retarded you are. What kind of outcome were you expecting?

>>158185872
>What kind of outcome were you expecting?
I went in with low expectations, and came out realizing that nasuverse is dumb as shit.
I already knew the anime wasn't good, all I wanted was an introduction to the premise then to move onto the VNs and the nasuverse as a whole if I was interested.

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>>158182796
One of them is.

>>158185697
Well, he is one who clearly has a delusion of omnipotence due to being a legendary King with semi-divine blood and virtually uncontested. When someone is so powerful that they can survive any mistake or consequence, the risk of becoming an ass is serious enough,.

>>158186026
I want to be Shirou's imouto

God sake all you disgusting anons NOT APPRECIATING THE BEST CHARACTER: ARCHER.

>>158184299
u 1st

>>158186206
Fuck off underage.

>>158182796
>generic shonen protagonist
>autistic
No

Shiki Tohno is more interesting than Shirou

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>>158186206
my nigga

>>158186206

There is already an Archer thread >>158173602

>>158182796
Shirou isn't even given a chance to be a good character because everything that happens in f/sn is so retarded.

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>Archer is portrayed as a bad end for Shirou's character development in FSN
>Nasu completely stops developing Shirou as a character after FSN and instead prefers to write more stuff about Archer instead, sticking him in every spinoff possible
???

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>>158186392
That's a Shirou thread though.

>>158184299
>>158186240
Is this some new meme?

>>158186455
Archer doesn't really develop in anything else, he's just everywhere because his design is popular.
Like Saber, whose story was done with the fucking Fate route.

>>158182796
Compared to what?

>>158186497
Shut up, underage.

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Wasn't Gilgamesh even smugger than usual because of grail cancer?

>>158182796
Yes, honestly. Nasu's writting might not be very good, but his examination of Shirou's character under the different routes is what truly makes FSN worth anything.

Shirou x Kirei OTP

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>>158186515
>Archer doesn't have development in Extra
That's a good joke.

>>158186553
Kiritsugu and Bazdilot in SF are the only characters in the series to actually get Grail cancer.
Gil and Kirei only benefitted from the mud.

>>158184971
kirei and gilgamesh were already dead

>>158186617
Other than being a slightly happier/more optimistic version of him, what development does he get?

>>158182796
No. Nasu has all these characters around Shirou keep saying how Shirou is this and that, but Shirou's actions never reflect any of it. Bad writing.

>>158186665
I thought I read that Gilgamesh before making contact with the mud would've never enjoyed the orphan mana supply juice. Guess I was wrong.

Name a single worse fanbase than FSN. Not even Nasuverse in general, just FSN, and I don't mean nips and their mobage trash, I meant the "actual" fans of the VNs.

>>158187092
You're favorite anime.

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>>158182796
I like Shirou
I could write an essay about why i think he is a great character(and i have in other threads)

But to give a short summery
The interactions he has with Archer is what really sells him as a character.
And the built up to the reveal in UBW's was great.
The girls are a big part of his character growth too because they test the ideal he loves so much to the max.
>Saber gives him release
>Rin lets him do what he wants (while keeping an eye on him)
>Sakura breaks him
But in the end even after knowing what he knows and having seen what he has seen nothing really changes.
Any other shounen-esc MC would have found a way to changes things for the "better".
But Shirou doesn't, because he is who he is and nothing more.
Plus i that his old fashion mindset and stubbornness

>>158187092
Never visited the F/GO threads on /vg/ i suppose?

>>158184987
>People who use 'well-written' unironically are all sub-80-IQ liberal arts majors
If you genuinely believe that then you're the one with a sub-80 IQ here

>>158187553
What's bad about /fgog/?
I visit it every once in a while and compared to other generals it's pretty good and doesn't have circlejerky trips bullshit.

>>158187630
>doesn't have circlejerky trips bullshit.
Are we talking about the the same board here?
Granted it is a year or so since i have been in there

>>158187693
Yes. Last time i visited it was yesterday.

>>158187092
Grand Order fags.

>>158187630
They have "nicknames" for shitposters, hunger games (literally /trash/), and fanfic sharing. It's just as cancerous as any other general.

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>>158187425
This was comfy to read mane. No homo.

>>158188076
>hunger games
What?
>fanfic sharing
Never seen it, which means that if it does exist it's not the majority of the posters.

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>>158187765
>Go into a thread just to see if it's actually not that bad anymore
>Almost immediately get meet by >>178953217
It's not a good thing to lie anon.

>>158188275
>Post not found
How am i supposed to believe you?

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>>158182796
In Fate he's garbage
In UBW he's a slightly above average protagonist that follows his ideals in a pretty cliche way.
HF is when he is at his best. His ideals are truly put to the test, and he decides to put those ideals behind him to save the people he cares about. HF, in my opinion, is when he becomes his true self.

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>>158188151
T-thanks.
What do you mean?

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>>158188275
newfag
>>>/vg/178953217

>>158188381
Are you fucking kidding me?
Are you telling me 1 ( ONE ) post about Pokemon is supposed to mean it's as bad as other particularly shitty generals?
Go ahead and look at the state of 4chan as a whole.
Realize that we get off topic shit all the time, especially when there's nothing to discuss.

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>>158188466
I just think that it's great that you appreciate Shirou and can explain why in a comfy-ish manner.

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>>158188480
A few days ago we had a debate over whether bubbles are wet, so he's not wrong.

>>158188473
I never fucking use the crossboard quote.
Have mersy.
>>158188480
It's definitely just as bad as any other thread on /vg/
If you think /a/ actually has anything on /vg/ in terms of shitposter capability i don't know what to tell you.
How many thread do you visit there?
As much as i don't like to admit it i spent way to much time on that stupid board for it to be funny.

>>158185115
He realizes he's an hypocrite child always choosing a side in Last Episode, when he's older and looks back to reflect his life. EMIYA points out he's hypocritical too.

>>158188663
And? That's way better because you can actually discuss it. And it's not gay because science.

>>158188707
>It's definitely just as bad as any other thread on /vg/
>Granted it is a year or so since i have been in there
Pick a side nigger.
You haven't mentioned anything that could be considered bad other than that pokemon post.

>>158188737
Everyone's got to take a side and Shirou chose to be the hero.
The anon i was arguing with said that Shirou literally never follows through with his ideals which is false.

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>>158188898
Dude im not gonna site here and make arguments for every single post in the fucking thread because you are butthurt your general is cancer.
And going on about the site getting run over by retards is not an excuse to just acsept the retardation.
I love BNHA but i wouldn't fucking touch the threads with a 10ft poll

>Pick a side nigger.
I did, the not retarded one and stayed away from /fgog/ for almost a year.
You telling me i can't use other threads on /vg/?

>defending /vg/
'no'
That board should be dumped into a furnace and forgotten.

>>158189162
>all this projection
Here's what i said.
>>158187630
>I visit it every once in a while
I've never played F/GO before, i hate F/GO and i hate modern TM.
The only reason i go there is because i want to check the average quality of posts, which i already said, isn't as bad as other generals.

>And going on about the site getting run over by retards is not an excuse to just acsept the retardation
What retardation? Off topic happens when people run out of things to talk about, it happens literally everywhere and it's happening right now. We're discussing /fgog/ instead of Shirou.

>You telling me i can't use other threads on /vg/
>reading comprehension

>fatetards
lol

>>158189338
You're a fucking retard.

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>>158182796
He's alright. I think his interactions with other characters especially his respective love interest in each route really expands on his character.

>>158189502
Thank you for you invaluable insight that is no doubt a legendary god tier quality post.

>>158189338
It's like talking to clay.
Only worse because i can't work with you.
>I've never played F/GO before, i hate F/GO and i hate modern TM.
>The only reason i go there is because i want to check the average quality of posts, which i already said, isn't as bad as other generals.
>But im the one projecting
Insightful.
We are done here.

>>158182796
Depends on what you mean by "well written". If you mean it in the sense of him being a believable character, then no; Shirou is not a believable character. If you mean it in the sense that his struggles are relatable and widely applicable to human beings outside of chuuni fiction, then no, that doesn't describe Shirou very well.

>>158189755
Do you even know what projecting means?
What was wrong with my post?

>>158189018
Shirou's ideal isn't to be a hero though, that's a mistranslation, he's "an ally of justice" which doesn't necessarily means he's a good guy. EMIYA Alter is still an ally of justice and his alignment is evil.

>>158189987
I know.
Typing superhero is just easier than seigi no mikata or whatever.

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Shirou and Kirei are like Simon and Kamina!

>>158189778
I think the opposite on the later honestly, while not at the level of Shirou, I think that having impossible dreams is very relatable.

Who doesn't want something out of their reach?
You might not want to be a superhero but you probably still want something, it is easy to relate to Shirou in that sense. We can follow out dreams while focusing on something else, we can give up on them when confronted with something else you don't want to lose or we can follow them to satisfy ourselves and get as far as we can, all of those options are Shirou on the three different routes, and none of them are wrong.

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I think it's interesting that he can still spark so much debate--aside from shitposting--most of the time. So I suppose that shows that his character has some depth.