So are the Japanese people just uncreative by nature? Or maybe

>>158018162
>Why is anime so simplistic and samey
Because ultimately its a fucking business. You can't make anime if you don't have money, and sponsors demand you to fucking make a profit if you want an anime. They became more cautious and are more likely to make anime that are more generic(or adaptations that can just grab the fanbase of the original work) because its easier to get sales for them than an original anime.

>why do uninspired show keep getting so much attention?
Because advertising, lots of advertising.
There are shows that don't get a lot of advertising and some of them are good. You just have to see beyond the advertised shows.

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>tfw we will never have another OVA boom of the 1980's.

>>158018162
Because Japan can't into literature
Take a gander at the collection of books or series from other countries. Be it fantasy, non-fic, historical, it will be superior to whatever book you'll find written by a Nip. (no "light novels" are not included, i mean actual Japanese novels)

>>158018162
The fact eva is held up so high is proof of that. Dont get me wrong, i fucking love the series, it is amazingly crafted, but it dont bring anything new to the table. It is a story about character development, depression, acceptance. There hundreds if not thousands of stories with similar theme in the world, and yet it hailed as the most unique and brilliant anime of all time, because no nip even seen a story like that.

There is a reason why Miyazaki is so fucking pissed at everything japan related.

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>>158018162
>why does a industry which panders to the lowest common denominator of pathetic otaku and/or children in order to survive commercially not produce works of high art

>>158020481
>but it dont bring anything new to the table
Nihil sub sole novum

>>158018162
>1970s
>people making anime grew up on old experiemntal stuff and foreign media
>otaku culture wasn't like modern otaku culture so it included more than bottomfeeding trash

>2010s
>almost every work in the industry is created by people who solely grew up on anime
>otaku culture is an incestuous shadow of its former self
>the amount of self-inserting, escapism and pandering in anime is more prominent than ever
>the people watching this stuff go on to create more of it.

It's a cycle really, there's also the difference in circumstances like a lot of classic anime being produced by jaded old guys who were kids of world war II vets, or grew up in post WWII Japan. This shitty greentext is a brutal simplification of it, I would go more into depth but it's 1 am.

>>158019831
I think we're actually on the cusp of one.
Netflix and crowd-funding services like Patreon and Kickstarter can get us there.
IT's just a matter of people having faith in creators and creators being good at the task at hand.

>>158020943
Why wouldn't the people who grew up with the medium be inspired to push limits and leave their mark on the industry. People who grew up reading books aren't doomed to write shitty books themselves. Usually artists will learn from the mistakes and successes of their forebarers.

I think the root of the problem is that current creators of anime aren't putting any of their own perspective into things, they're just copying what they've seen done before and throwing in gimicky spins on it. I think that stressful upbringings where uniformity is highly valued plays a large part in that. So does reclusiveness and a propensity for escapism that's typical of people who love anime, but that can be said for any kind of fiction, and most other mediums aren't as derivitive as anime.

>>158018162
>Why is anime so simplistic and samey, and why do uninspired show keep getting so much attention?
>anime
As opposed to what? The vast majority of works, including of successful attention-gaining ones, are trash in every medium. Most summer blockbusters are not creative or inspired, nor are Academy Award winners, nor are NYT bestselling books. This is a retarded bait thread, and I'm not even sure why I'm replying, but fuck you and your bullshit.

>>158018162

you realize that a good quantity of postmo artist came from Japan? that's not telling it's good but their creative people are crazy as fuck, more crazy than europeans bohemians.

>>158018162
Oh yes, because western media is totally super original and creative. Just look at masterpieces like the Marvel Cinematic Universe!

>>158018162
how can you say something like this and then look at what hollywood has been shitting out for the past decade

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As if western people were any more creative.
God, I can't get enough of dem super hero movies! Love the cringe american humor.

>>158021126
>I think the root of the problem is that current creators of anime aren't putting any of their own perspective into things, they're just copying what they've seen done before and throwing in gimicky spins on it.
That's what I was trying to get at, the anime industry is an incredibly incestuous environment now, it's hard to think that something like ghost in the shell, or End of Eva came from such a place when I look at it.
Oh well, maybe in a few years it'll turn around.

Here's a list of some creative shows with novel themes (for their time):
Serial Experiments Lain (predicted the impact of the internet)
Tatami Galaxy (unique presentation with interesting themes)
Berserk (yes Berserk, the king of dark fantasy which other series and video games BORROW ideas from it)
Perfect Blue
Monster

>>158018162
You can easily say the same thing about Hollywood.
>>158020481
Nothing is ever novel anymore. Presentation matters. Evangelion achieved that rather well.

>>158021848
>This is the best American TV Show in 2017 LOL.
That is not Samurai Jack.
And yes, SJ had a pretty meh middle of season and poorly executed ending that was just ripping off a better anime. So yeah, westerns cartoons are in a pretty bad shape right now.

>>158021126
>Why wouldn't the people who grew up with the medium be inspired to push limits and leave their mark on the industry. People who grew up reading books aren't doomed to write shitty books themselves.

They actually are. Modern sci-fi and fantasy are not in a good place exactly because of the people that only write derivative shit. If you take a look at what's popular right now, you'll see lots of creative bankrupcy, plain bad writing and shameless pandering.

I wish people weren't so derivative/creatively bankrupt
Look at all these sequels and adaptations in Hollywood, it's annoying. Why do we need Boss Baby 2, we were joking, we don't actually like it,

>>158021791
>the anime industry is an incredibly incestuous environment now
What? Anon, we've got foreign companies funding anime, live-action guys directing anime, world-famous pop-art guys directing anime, a non-nip-resident about to direct an anime series for the first time ever, etc. This very season has multiple series written by first-time-anime-writers brought in from other industries. This is arguably the least incestuous and most open-to-outsiders the industry has ever been, and if anything I'm worried about the direction things could head (particularly with increasing mainstream Western interest and involvement).

>>158022055
>Why do we need Boss Baby 2,
Because it made big bucks. That's all there is to it.

>>158021848
>Tfw American cartoons will never be the best in the world again
;_;

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>>158021126
>People who grew up reading books aren't doomed to write shitty books themselves
If people grew up reading only sci-fi and when it came time to write their own book only took from the already existent concepts they were exposed to it would just be derivative shit. The same can be said about anime which is fairly limited in the range of topics it covers and the ways it covers them.

Creativity we know is strongly linked to exposure to large amounts of experience in diverse areas and then synthesizing new concepts from the intersection of that crystallized knowledge.

The problem with only taking from anime, even good anime, is it will not give anyone the tools or concepts they need to make something appropriately novel or distinguished.

HnK took inspiration from Mad Max
Dragon Ball took inspiration from Jackie Chan movies
JoJo took inspiration from a lot of things

Looking beyond anime and manga is the only way to get true innovation.

>>158022453
>JoJo took inspiration from a lot of things
Gee, thanks for that tidbit.

>>158021681
>because western media is totally super original and creative
it is.
Hollywood is the creatively bankrupt one run by greed over artistic integrity. Plenty of good indie and foreign films.

I think that they lack creativity as as society due to their culture of conformity and the way they learn. They never learn how to think, they just memorize shit.