http://www.pa-works.jp/news/index_2 0170601.html After Kyoa

Nice, I hope they make more original stuff.

>>157945238
Okay, now when are they going to get good animators? It's strange that a studio that tries to promote decent working conditions is unable to attract or train any skilled in-house animators.

>>157945333
But they already primarily do originals.

>>157945424
No shit nigger, hence "more".

>>157945387
This. They also did some good color designers.

So, only 3 studios do this?
What about Ufotable?

>>157945238
That's fucking fantastic, hopefully this becomes more and more of a thing in this shitty anime industry that literally shits on its animators.

>>157945521
Ufotable used to but it didn't quite work out for them. They have a pretty big in-house team nonetheless.

>>157945238
>PA Works is also going to become monthly paid anime studio
Fucking finally, I hope more studio follows PA and Kyoani steps.

>>157945683
I like how people are forgetting about Polygon Pictures, they're in really good relationships with Netflix and they constantly did animation work for western cartoons and companies, not surprising they're doing so well.

>>157945717
I'm forgetting about them on purpose because I don't want anime to be full CGI.

PA Works are starting a school to train animators as well.

>>157945729
I was kind of expecting that. They're the only CG studio that have really found great success. I appreciate the fact that they're trying their best to move this medium forward, we can't escape it sadly.

>>157945761
>the PA is next kyoani meme is actually becoming real

So this changes literally nothing right? What even changed for KyoAni other than their numbers not being shown on stalker because of the store?

>>157945788
It actually is. Memes do become reality sometimes.

>>157945791
They're one of the only studios that have been making a profit consistently for years now. Doubt that can be said about your favorite studio.

>>157945788
>>157945806
It's close, but yet very different since one keep doing adaption, other one keep doing original.

>>157945874
Well, Kyoani mostly adapts their own LN nowadays, so in a sense they're pretty close.

>>157945874
P.A. also do novel adaptations, so they aren't that far off.

>>157945894
KyoAni's LNs are a mix of original and adaptation
>Free S1/S2 are original
>Free High Speed is an adaptation
>The new Free movie is original
>Mirai-hen was original
Violet Evergarden will probably be their first owned LN that closely follows the source.

>>157945874
Well the one success in recent year for them was a manga adaption.
>>157945929
I'm not saying they only do original shows of course, but still very different.
While i'm excited for violet evergarden, i'm also hope Kyoani going to make a 100% original show, i mean no way Munto was really a huge damage for them right.

>>157946002
First one meant to >>157945894

>>157946024
Free, Chuunibyo, and Hibike were successes for them.

>>157945717
>I like how people are forgetting about Polygon Pictures, they're in really good relationships with Netflix and they constantly did animation work for western cartoons and companies, not surprising they're doing so well.

Yeah. It's like peeps forgot they animated Transformers Prime and Tron: Uprising and all this other stuff like freakin' Winnie the Pooh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygon_Pictures

>>157946074
Don't care, shit, good but also not a "adaption" from their bunko.
Unless PA Works start their bunko otherwise they're not close for anime shows target.

>>157946002
I think it's safe to expect another original from Yamada at least.
>K-On was successful
>She gets encouraged to do an original (Tamako)
>Koe no Katachi was successful
>She'll probably get to do another one

Monthly paid as opposed to what?

>>157945333
have you forgotten their abomination called Glasslip?

>>157946170
Everyone made mistakes, and remember Shirobako?

>>157946148
>Don't care, shit, good but also not a "adaption" from their bunko
Okay? You said Koe no Katachi was their 'one success in recent years'. That's not true.

>>157946161
Number of cuts or drawings(for inbetweeners) per month on top of a very low base pay.

>>157946170
Nice meme.

>>157946161
Being paid worse than a slave.

>>157946215
You only like shirobako because of the girls. Dont deny it

>>157946258
Are you implying that's not enough of a reason?

>>157946258
I like Shirobako because of the story and all the characters and the stuff they have to go through in general. About how tough it is to survive in this shit industry that pays like shit. And about how they continue regardless because they're really passionate about anime.

>>157945992
If I recall it correct, phantom world is the closest to the source at the moment. Chuu2 is almost original, kyokana is close to original.

>>157945238
They're original SoLs tend to largely be complete fucking garbage but I have hopes they will put something out as good as Hanasaku sometime in the near future.

>>157945992
>that closely follows the source
Yeah, sure

>>157946330
>He doesn't like Shirobako, Sakura Quest and Kuromukuro.
Fucking pleb.

>>157946364
Forgot about Uchouten Kazoku.

>>157946329
Phantom World's first half and climax is original, only Kyokana's second half is original and the same goes to both season of Chuu2

>>157946341
VEG is their first LN that's actually finished before production with no more to be written or published and it's also the first that the studio has loved, so yeah it is sure.

>>157946283
But they suck

>>157946487
You suck.

>>157946364
Sakura Quest is kind of really dull right now.

>>157946507
Take it back.

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>>157945238
shirobako s2 pls

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>>157946364
>SoLs
Sakura Quest has been really underwhelming honestly. I'm going to wait and see if it picks back up before continuing it.
I watched the first episode of Shirobako but never bothered to continue desu. It's one of those "Yeah I totally plan on watching it some day" backlog entries that I'll probably never actually watch due to disinterest and prioritizing other anime.

In fact, that's how the majority of PA Works SoL feels like. Nothing really catches my interest and then I just never bother finishing it. The last one I finished was NagiAsu, and I actually really liked the first half but the second half was so bad that it made me swear off giving Mari Okada a chance ever again.

>>157946364
>Kuromukuro
It was an ok show at best, nothing special about that.
Great second ed though.

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>>157946582
>it made me swear off giving Mari Okada a chance ever again.
While that's mostly a sound policy, consider making one exception.

>>157945333
Are you drunk or something? PA originals ALWAYS better than Kyoani originals (except that glasslip one).

Glasslip was one of the biggest pieces of shit I've ever watched and I'd still take it over 90% of airing shows, because at least it was terrible in a morbidly curious way that kept you watching, rather than boring in its mere competence or unwatchable like most anime.

>>157946999
The threads were hilarious, it's that type of shows that are so bad they're fun, Mahouka was kinda like that too.

>>157946864
My nigga, M3 was one of the most underrated gems I found in recent years.

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>>157947070
>>157946999
I'll never forget this fucking show

>>157947179
>/a/ is so retarded most thought this scene was real
Cant be helped.

>>157945836
Who are you talking about? KyoAni or JC?

>>157946999
>because at least it was terrible in a morbidly curious way
>boring in its mere competence
If you switch those two around, I'd agree.
Glasslip was the very definition of boring, while something like, say, Guilty Crown (the classic example) is absolutely awful but keep you watching too see how it'll crash and burn next.
Now, if you're talking about creative bankruptcy, like with most battle harems these days, then I can agree.

>>157947276
>like with most battle harems these days
I mean, you're not wrong but there is hardly any battle harem anymore these days.

>>157947360
Right, the current trend would be isekai then.

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>>157947247
Obviously Glasslip was too deep for most of the retards here. It's the ultimate pleb filter.

>>157947549
No anon, you just fell asleep and dreamed about watching a better show.

>>157947276
Glasslip was only boring if you weren't paying attention. Its insanity was pretty subtle, mostly lying in pacing and directing issues, where some thing would randomly get focus for seemingly no reason (the girl walking naked through her house after a shower comes to mind -- it was very mundane and not fanservicey at all yet they spent like 30 seconds on it). And the writing and acting was subdued and seemingly "normal" but many of the lines didn't seem to match up with each other, like the characters didn't know what they were saying, almost not even having conversations. It was like an alien's interpretation of a human drama, it skirted the lines of reality but was just off kilter enough to be utterly bizarre.

I may be overstating its strangeness, I'd watch it again but I'm not sure I could take it.

>>157947637
It really wasn't as entertainingly surreal as you're saying. Even fucking Sagrada Reset this season does a better job at what you're describing that whatever the fuck Glasslip did.

>>157947637
Do you think it was made that way on purpose?

>>157947256
KyoAni

>>157947637
You know, that could be just it.
If only they had capitalized on it though, like putting up a fever dream aspect to it or something like that, but they played it absolutely straight, and that's what makes it borderline unwatchable in the end.

>>157947746
KyoAni is one of my favorite studios so what are you talking about?

>>157946999
Glasslip was more like an experimental show. Bur welp, it gave directors an idea with why you should NOT make a 12 ep-long exposition

>>157947637
Yeah, nah, you're overselling this shit. You can talk up as much as you like but you're never going to turn Tommy Wiseu's The Room into anything that's not terrible.

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>>157947696
>>157947704
When did I ever say it was on purpose? I said it was shit, it was terrible fucking writing and none of what I enjoyed was part of the plan. I have no doubt that the people behind it thought they were being clever but what they ended up with was nonsense that was unintentionally somewhat compelling.

It took me awhile to think of it, but I remember it as anime's equivalent to The Room.

>all these fucking Glasslip apologists
Jesus Christ. This is even worse than the influx of Aku no Potatotards showing these past few months.

What's next? Pupa was good beyond the sounds the imouto's VA made?

>>157948058
Aku no Hana was unironically a good anime though.

>>157947931
Damn, looks like someone came to the same conclusion as I did but in a completely different context. You can't honestly tell me you didn't enjoy The Room, can you? Can you not recognize something as shit and enjoy it for its shittines? Don't you understand "so bad it's good"?

>still mad at aku no hana
Based oshimi trolling waifufags.

>>157948114
>Don't you understand "so bad it's good"?
Yes. But Glasslip ain't it.

>>157948114
It really isn't. Big Order? Chaos Dragon? Mahou Sensou? QUALITY Code? Galileo Donna?
Those are legitimately entertaining disasters whether animation-wise, plot-wise, or both. Glasslip? It's a badly directed bland borefest that just droned on and on and on and on and on.

>>157946364
> liking shows where nothing ever happens

>>157948321
Relax pleb.

>>157948321
Go back to your kiddie shonen powerlevelsfest, adults are talking here.

>>157948315
>Big Order? Chaos Dragon? Mahou Sensou?
Not worth watching even for "entertaining disaster".

>>157948410
Well I certainly had more of a blast enjoying those shitshows than Glasslip. But it doesn't really matter either way, they're all horribly shit.

>>157948441
Try not to be a faggot tipping fedora going about "so bad its good" and learn to drop shit you dont like next time.

>>157945238
Bad model. KyoAni has been stagnating for more than half a decade now while other studios have caught up with it and are even pushing ahead, animation quality wise.

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Can we have a season 2 now?

>>157948022
>>157947931
To me those two are completely opposites.
The Room flipped everything on its head by doing such an awful execution it just ended up being funny instead.
Glasslip on the other hand, played everything absolutely straight to the fucking tee, you get what you're sold, and nothing else.

>>157945583
>hopefully this becomes more and more of a thing
Hopefully not.

Studios with with full employee or contract employee system for animators:

Ghibli: 200.000 yen/month + transportation allowance, full insurances

MAPPA SENDAI STUDIO: 167.700 yen/month + transportation, all insurences except natural disaster insurence, plus family and living allowances (they will pay part of you rent and give you more money if you have family members that depend on you financially)

Studio Hibari/Lenche: 160.000~ yen/month + transportation, all insurances except natural disaster insurance

J.C. Staff: Starts as contract, made full employee after 2 years. 50.000, 80.000 or 110.000 yen/month depending on individual skill when contract, 14.000 after becoming full employee + transportation (up to 10.000 yen), no insurences until becoming full employee

Science Saru: Full employee, no info on salary

KyoAni, no official info in general.

There might be others, especially amongst subcontract studios, I mostly checked production studios.


By the way, there's nothing special about polygon making CG animators full employees, that's just industry standard, all the traditional studios that have CG animators (and composite and digital paint staff) pay them full salaries as well. Polygon doesn't list their salaries but Sanzigen and Orange do, and their initial salary is actually lower than you would get at Khara/A-1/MAPPA and such.

>>157948636
Ghibli? It's dead Jim. What do you know about Ponoc? What do you know about ComixWave?
What do you know about Khara?

>>157948636
Oh, that's 140.000 on J.C Staff, obviously.

>>157948636
How can A-1 even survive if there's a handful of studios like this? I see no legitimate benefit for an animator to work in studios like A-1

>>157948636
Jesus, are those based in Tokyo?
If yes, how the fuck do they make a living out of that?
I mean, they're not eating off the trash, but I don't think you can keep a family confortably with something like that (inb4 >implying).

>>157948753
Because they're Aniplex's biggest bitchstudio.

>>157948814
>If yes, how the fuck do they make a living out of that?
The answer is that you don't. You work yourself to death and barely scrape by in the meantime.

On the plus side, you don't have to worry about not having enough money for your hobbies because you have no time for hobbies.

If you're lucky enough to work for PA Works or Kyoani, you at least live in a location where the rent is less outrageous.

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>>157948814
>animators
>family

HanaIro and NagiAsu season 2?

>>157946258
You have to be at least 18 years old to post on 4chan.

>>157948753
A-1 is actually one of the better paying ones out of the ones that don't employ, the do give you a fixed sum every month plus commission on work done, their job posting says it will amount to at least 2.000.000 a year, which is pretty much the same as Hibari. But no insurences.

>>157948817
That doesn't answer my question. Animators picking a studio with basically slave wages makes no sense than choosing to work for a studio that pays better in a place where the CoL is lower
>>157949007
Ah, that makes more sense. What studio is the least paying, though?

>>157948636
Fucking CG gets an unfair advantage despite being so ugly.

>>157948864
Ghibli and Kyoani actually have their own daycare.

>>157949026
>slave wages
Market price is fair price. They can always do something else. (Socialists need to be genocided.)

>>157949026
Nakamura Pro.

>>157949109
Might be fair, but they deserve better.

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>>157948636
>By the way, there's nothing special about polygon making CG animators full employees

It is special when 50% of your studio employees are gaijin.

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>>157948861
>mfw doing a quick search to see where KyoAni is based
Never mind me, I'll just go suck some dicks now, should I also kill myself before coming back?

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>>157949184
I don't know what you expected Kyoto Animation to mean, anon.

>>157949107
Let me guess, it a 24/7 daycare.

>>157949026
A lot of them (Trigger, Revoroot, Madhouse and others) say "completely based on work done" so all you get as a inbetweener is a pay per frame done. Note that pay per frame varies from studio to studio and project to project, so a studio could not give the animator any extras but still have overall pay above avarege if their rate per frame is higher.
I believe Bones and Madhouse would be the worst ones because they are the only ones I remember not offering transport money.
Though Bones will assure 80.000 at least a month for ONLY the first year(if you only do say 60.000 worth of frames, you still get 80.000 anyway)

How much does madhouse pay their employees? I don't hear any bitching from them.

>>157949313
Madhouse outsources all their labor.

>>157949198
Me neither, my brain just farted there for a second.

>these days it's easier to google something than to think about the name of what you're looking for
What a time to be alive.
I guess the silver lining here is that even if my brain literally dies, I'll never be as retarded as a saucefag.

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>>157949157
>Might be fair
>but they deserve better.

>>157949184
I got confused for a sec and though you're talking about the headquarters. So I searched and found this instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jvWg9Ittbk I can say it's nothing I expected. The studio seems like an apartment where the ground floor is also an internet cafe, but is also secretly a drug den
>>157949426
I went retard for a second, meant to say "might be true" (that market price is a fair price, got them mixed up)

>>157949048
CG can earn a lot of money in certain sectors, so animation studios need offer some sort of premium over regular animators in order to attract talent.

>>157946999
There is nothing worse than thinking something is going to happen and then nothing does.

>>157949109
Market price is never a fair price. The invisible hand doesn't exist.

>>157950993
B-but muh commies REEEEE

>>157948636
Addendum (wasn't opened when I checked before)

Toei: 226.100 yen/month, all insurences, living and transport allowances, daycare, company stock, loans

Almost like a real job.

>>157956351
What am I looking at here?

>>157945238
So were the animators paid on commissions previously?

>>157957196
Per drawing, yes

>>157957260
Jesus, no wonder they're work their asses off.

>>157948814

It's not impossible. Tokyo's rents are relatively high by Japanese standards but they're actually fairly cheap in comparison to a number of major Western cities like New York, Washington, DC, London, or Paris. Food prices in general are also noticeably lower and these are generally the two largest expenses for a young 20-something starting in an industry.

And Tokyo has a better public transportation system than any of them, which makes living further out and commuting to work via train a more palatable option. That's why so many of them include transportation allowances.

I've lived in a major Western city with a higher cost of living on an income like that or less. It wasn't great, but it's not impossible or even that bad. I couldn't afford a car, but I could afford an otherwise reasonable lifestyle with enough disposable income to spend on weeb shit.

>>157958629
>for a young 20-something starting in an industry.
You are right, but that post also included veterans and older folks, who even might have to keep their family and such, like I said.
So yeah, it still seems pretty awful to me.

>>157945424
>flip intellectuals

>>157945447
Sounds like a stupid thing to say when it's already to be expected.