Does Toriyama have some personal grudge against Vegeta? I'm

Anyone have any thoughts?

>>157933270
>Does Toriyama have some personal grudge against Vegeta?
Well, Toriyama wanted to kill him, but Vegeta became so popular that he coudn't do it.
So, I'd say yes.

Still, Vegeta beat the shit out of Golden Freeza and Black, and lost to Hit because he fought him first.

>>157934828
I hear that of other "rival" characters, like Naruto's Sasuke, that they became popular in spite of the mangaka's wishes.

>>157934828
Well he beat Frieza but Frieza still blew up the planet so technically he lost. Also the first time he fought Black he lost. That's as far as I've gotten in the anime.

>>157933270

Goku holds back for the manlet, makes him think he's within striking range hiding the fact that he's got a few trump cards in reserve already.

>>157934828
supposedly he likes him now.

>>157935742
is goku a good or bad friend

>>157935784

No, but he's the kind of rival that you'd want to beat the smug off.

>>157935784
He's a bad friend but in all fairness to him he might be too stupid to realize it.

the only way to redeem vegeta is for goku to be the ultimate final villain and vegeta 3-0s him to save the universe.

>>157934967
>Well he beat Frieza but Frieza still blew up the planet so technically he lost.
So, Goku technically lost to Freeza back in Namek?

>>157934967
>Also the first time he fought Black he lost. That's as far as I've gotten in the anime.
Yeah, so did Goku. But Vegeta trains more and fights Black again.

>>157935769
>supposedly he likes him now.
Good to hear. Maybe that's why Vegeta's personality evolved so much.

>>157935742
>Goku holds back
I wouldn't be so sure.

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>>157933270
>episode 66-67
Pic related may be smiling but he is internally screaming. What the fuck was that shit

Do you know what the work "Jobbing" truly means anon?

>>157936761
> Fights him in SSJ2 during Buu saga, while still having SSJ3
> Jobs during U7 vs U6 so Vegeta can have some fight time, comes out with SSB + Kaioken

Nah, Goku never held back or kept any "secret" power ups hidden from Vegeta

Because it's not the Vegeta show you idiot. It's always and forever been about Goku. Even when Toriyama tried to pass it off to Gohan, he couldn't keep it up because a nerd without a battle boner isn't fun to write.

>>157933270
He beat the crap out of Golden Freeza. He got beat up by Black, but then came back and beat the shit out of him. He did lose to Hit, but so would Goku.

>>157933270
Who care's about Vegeta, we're too busy with the 4th coming of Frieza-sama.