https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2017/05/30/koe-no-katachi-director-naoko-yamada-interview/
>If we didn’t rearrange it, then we wouldn’t be able to present the amount of energy and charm the original A Silent Voice manga had. It’d be too much. I thought about how to capture its soul while converting it into audiovisual media. Considering the love and respect I felt towards the manga, if I didn’t first deconstruct the material to actually remake it into a single film, then I couldn’t proudly and honestly say that I adapted it into anime. My resolve towards the work and its author was strong enough that the manga might as well have been the daughter whose hand I was asking for in marriage. I faced the production every day with that level of determination.
>There’s a term in math called a “limit” used to describe values that are not equal but are similar as they approach infinity. I thought about using that as a foothold to approach Shouya and Shouko.
Literally what on earth did she mean by this?
>>157906647
They will never quite fuck.
>the manga might as well have been the daughter whose hand I was asking for in marriage.
Yamada confirmed lesbian?
>>157906647
>>There’s a term in math called a “limit” used to describe values that are not equal but are similar as they approach infinity. I thought about using that as a foothold to approach Shouya and Shouko.
>Literally what on earth did she mean by this?
Epsilons and deltas
> Since I also have that melancholic part of myself, I wanted to make a film that ultimately said “it’ll be okay.”
>>157907087
>>157906968
Maybe she's bisexual.
>>157906647
Their progress will almost reach a point but not quite, so close to that point that it's almost indistinguishable.
Basically >>157906759
Should've been a series. Movie was nice though.
>>157907489
>Should've been a series
No.
>>157906573
>not one person hugs her the entire movie
>>157907618
Yes. There was so much cut out, and the movie's ending felt extremely rushed.
>>157906573
Why so much respect for such a terrible manga?
Honestly it should have been a "based on" type of movie and not more, with the entire second half rewritten and 90% of the characters cut, instead of a bloated mess with awful pacing.
>>157906647
Love is simple calculs senpai
>>157907663
>movie's ending felt extremely rushed.
I know /a/ loves to act like they know what they are talking about, but the movie had proper dramatic structure.
Exposition -> Flashback and Shouya wanting to die
Rising Action -> Shouko's and Shouya's continuously crumbling relationship
Climax -> Shouko's suicide attempt
Falling Action -> Shouko repairing Shouya's friendships, the night bridge scene
Resolution -> School festival and the X's falling off
>>157907830
And it still felt rushed with too many throwaway characters.
>>157907878
Literally none of the characters were throwaways. They were all vital to the narrative.
>>157907904
Now you're just being retarded.
>>157907663
That's a good thing. The story doesn't benefit much from being episodic.
>>157907955
Name ONE (1) character that can be removed without dramatically altering the story.Don't you dare say Pedro, Ishida's family being seen as trashy was important
>>157908092
Shoko's grandma, Mashiba, Kawai, Sahara.
And now don't give me "b-but Kawai did this and that!", the functions these characters had could have easily given to more important ones with little effort, without wasting time introducing a huge cast with 10 seconds of screentime each. That's how you adapt a long source material for the big screen, by heavily reworking the script, not just by cutting something here and there while leaving tons of pointless shit.
>sakugabooru
Kill yourself, retard.
>>157908394
Grandma was very important, Kawai was semi-important, Mashiba can fuck off and Sahara was important for my dick.
>>157908394
Kawai is important because she makes Ueno look like an angel.
>>157908512
Mashiba was the sole reason Kawai stuck around. Kawai is too self-centered to hang around Shouko and Shouya by herself.
>>157908440
>complaining about getting translated interviews
It doesn't matter how gay the dudes who did it are, this is good content
>>157908440
Fuck off.
>>157906647
Lol not even epsilon-delta. What a fucking scrub.
Yamada is a LESBIAN!
>>157906573
Dumb bitch there's way too much content for a film, you cut out key character moments and relationships, and ruined scenes by cutting and splicing them together out of order.
Someone get gordon.
>>157907904
HAAHHAHA No the fucking aren't. They pretend like they are by keeping major scenes and plot points without any of the emotional build up.
Ishida formed a unique relationship with each one of the cast members, each on had a little arc where they built a relationship with ishida and help him to get back on his feet. They became like emotional pillers that kept him up, which makes it extremely painful to see him push everyone away at the bridge scene.
In the film the relationships are no deeper than a puddle. "Uh we are friends now, just cuz."
You expect me to believe these too formed a relationship without actually showing anything? Do i look stupid to you movie?
It's just insulting when they try to play it off as if he had actually spent time with characters and formed bonds and relationsions as he did in the manga. At most we get maybe one or two shallow conversations that last no more than 50 seconds, it's fucking embarrassing.
That's just the tip the of ice berg with this films blatant flaws, that could've been fixed had they made it a short series.
The film spends no time building character motives, people just do things and it feels unjustified or random half the time.
Hell the crux of how this whole delima even begins is ignored. In the film, ishida just looks like an idiot, with no real reason for the bullying.
Yet the manga goes into extensive detail about his psychi, and how he plots to "defeat boredom!" every single day, and how these ideals slowly start to crash and burn when he can no loner trick himself into believe getting jumped every day = not boring, and so the day is won.
The movie doesn't even attempt to look into his perspective, things just happen, no real justification, and the same can be said for just about every single character. What a fucking blunder.
>>157911736
I got you bro.
Gordon Ramsay: HEY! KYOANI! C'MERE YOU!
KyoAni: Y-yes chef?
GR: WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?!
KA: I-it's our adaptation of Koe no Katachi chef...
GR: Koe no Katachi... A seven volume manga. Did you remember to cook it to 2 cours?
KA: W-we thought it'd be better if we shortened it down to a movie chef.
https://youtu.be/SFtLvkqHIds
GR: A movie?! A FUCKING 2 HOUR MOVIE FOR A 7 VOLUME MANGA?!
KA: W-we thought it'd be better to trim the fat off the story chef.
GR: Oh bloody fucking hell! It needed less fat trimmed off than Lindsay fucking Lohan! WHAT ABOUT SHOYA AND SHOKO'S CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT! HOW ARE YOU GONNA PROPERLY ADAPT THAT IN A FUCKING MOVIE?!
KA: W-we decided to show more scenes of the other secondary characters to make fans happy chef.
GR: OH MY GOD! 86 THIS FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT! GET OUT!
>>157911959
Looks like you missed the entire point of the bridge scene in the movie. Bravo.
Hint:It wasn't about Ishida
Manga purists still salty as always
There are so many copypastas for this movie already.
>>157907663
The movie worked perfectly and the only reason to read the manga now is to get more unnecessary insight on the secondary characters.
This is how you do an adaption and turn a whole manga in a two hours movie, something most anime don't understand
>>157907663
No one cares you autistic mangatards.
>>157911959
>autism - the post
>>157911959
You have some points anon, but i really don't think there would be any way to translate all of that into the limited time.
The movie already runs pretty long, with all that it would be a series, not a film. by ignoring the side characters and focusing primarily on ishida and deaf-kun, the film retains the main spirit of the mango
its bretty good anon
>>157912231
The movie is fine but the manga is better, why does this deserve a name "purist"?
>>157913884
>soap opera better than the movie
No
>>157914004
It's the same opera but with less developed characters, you silly.
>>157914004
I'm glad the movie removed most of the ridiculousness of this shit.
>>157912169
It should've been, he was at the center of the scene.
Not to mention how contrived it felt when the nerd bitch just started bringing up shit seemingly out of nowhere.
>>157913450
I agree, there is no way to translate a 7 volume manga into a film, it should've been a sort series or 1 cour.
Or they should've just cut half the cast and focus on shoko and ishida, maybe actually build a real romance or something. They should've reworked the whole thing to make a film.
>>157914287
They could have turned it down a bit, but i would have been nice to show uenos perspective, how her insecurities made her hate shoko.
>>157914598
>maybe actually build a real romance or something
pls stop it already
>>157914598
>maybe actually build a real romance
Erry time.
>>157914598
>build a real romance or something
Did you need an on-screen kiss because you're incapable of understanding humane emotions?
>>157912391
No one said it should be 7 volume manga shoehorned into 2 hours movie, TV series would be so much better.
Why would anyone prefer a tv series? It would literally be the entire manga just animated. No one with a brain should want that
>>157915110
Sure, everyone with brain wants butchered adaptation with some random moments from the manga without any substance.
>>157915171
Not really, everyone wants a story based on manga but completely different. 50% of the original cast + 50% anime original characters (also fairy, fairies are important) would be fine.
>>157915171
I don't know what your idea of substance is but no adaptation that follows the manga panel by panel to a tee without liberties taken by the director has any substance. It's why Monster is considered the one of the worst anime adaptations by critics. It's clear the movie's focus is different from the manga and anyone saying it's just random scenes stitched together has no idea what they are talking about and has no idea how animation works.
Reminder that IshidaXYuzuru is the true OTP
>>157906573
In 15 years time Yamada will easily be the greatest anime director of the generation, just compare how far she has come from the K-on movie to this. She's only in her early 30's and has room for tremendous growth.
>>157915171
The movie felt more substantial to me. At the very least, I took a lot more away from the movie than I did the manga.
>>157915299
>Monster is considered one of the worst anime adaptations by critics
Telling lies on the internet again, eh
>>157915648
Not that anon but I dropped it halfway through. It was boring as fuck
>>157915717
I didn't even watch it, doesn't make it any less a lie
>>157915506
Literally where does this even comes from
>>157915648
It's true. After Urasawa ordered the staff to follow his manga panel by panel because of his retarded claim of the panels being "cinematic" and after the Master Keaton author accident, everyone has turned their backs towards him. No one genuinely respects him or his trainwreck works anymore.
>>157915974
Which critics are you citing?
>>157915974
> After Urasawa ordered the staff to follow his manga panel by panel because of his retarded claim of the panels being "cinematic" and after the Master Keaton author accident
Can you elaborate on this? With a source, of course.
Reminder that
Sangatsu no Lion >>> KnK
Especially the bullying arc in the second season will BTFO everything KnK ever tried to accomplish.
OP's picture just reminded me, they completely winced over the g-ma dying. Like in the scheme of things for the movie it almost was irelevant to have it. It didn't seem to cause much impact.. it seems like it was only there for the sake of it being in the manga as well. Damn, I really liked this movie but when I think of what it could have been its kinda dissapointing.
>>157916465
Nobody is watching that garbage.
>>157916682
>Like in the scheme of things for the movie it almost was irelevant to have it. It didn't seem to cause much impact.. it seems like it was only there for the sake of it being in the manga as well
You could say that for half of the characters in the movie. Nobody other than Shouko, Shouya or his dorky friend got any meaningful development. The events of this movie reached the conclusion without understanding the reasons for why or how they got there.
>>157914826
>>157914768
>>157914687
I'd drop all the literal who's for building ishida and shokos relationship better. The did claim this was a "love story".
>>157917281
>The did claim this was a "love story".
But it was.
>>157921410
Sit down. It's a shit love story, and an even shittier melo drama.
>>157924294
What's shit about it?
How are the horrible subs version? Is it worth redownloading?
>>157915615
shes 40
>>157915615
Keion movie was a lot more enjoyable.
>>157924528
>no hug
>no kiss
>no confession
>no promise of getting together in the future
>no rejection
>no resolution
>no closure
>>157925211
minus 8
>>157925235
If you have no taste in anything. Even the girls weren't as cute, K-On has nothing on comparison.
>>157924528
It's not a generic love story and that ravages my ass.
>>157925293
So you really just needed an on-screen kiss because you're so shit at understanding emotions that aren't in your face?
Besides there was a confession andliteral hand holding
>>157907830
>the suicide was the climax of the narrative
I see you don't understand what you just wrote
>>157925504
>So you really just needed an on-screen kiss
there were 6 other options you blind moron
>>157925925
I wasn't referring to your shitty list though.
>>157925985
Yes, you were since you replied to me and referring to my own needs.
>>157925504
I usually don't mind a lack of romantic closure in anime where there could easily be some but the theme was basically dropped after the confession. It's been said before but the movie just kind of ends where it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect a couple more minutes of closure.
Imagine how easy it would be to cheat on a deaf gf
>>157926070
She could still smell.
>"I want you to help me live"
>"I promise"
>people think this isn't enough romantic closure
Good ol' /a/utism
>>157926316
MUH KISSU
>>157926027
Why should I even refer to a bad green-texted list of arbitrary traits you think constitute a romance that you've a priori selected not to fit the movie? I was obviously referring to a set of subhumans who need a super visual representation of romance, and you fit the bill perfectly.
It bothered me more when the manga didn't have the kiss because of the build up. But for the movie the lack of worked perfectly.
>>157926070
>implying you could find someone to cheat with
Maybe if the girl you cheated with was also blind
>>157907830
the only thing I didn't like about the ending was how the closure between the dude and the deaf girl's mom was
>I'm sorry
>oh I-I'm sorry too
the way the 2 interacted should've gotten much more spotlight
>>157926359
>Why should I even refer to a bad green-texted list of arbitrary traits you think constitute a romance that you've a priori selected not to fit the movie?
Because you replied to me?
>>157926649
>projecting
>>157926359
>subhumans who need a super visual representation of romance
Oh yeah, only subhumans need actual tangible representations of romance. I guess they are just too stupid to understand Kyoani's subtle romantic nuances.
>>157926758
If you seriously think KnK didn't have romance then by all means you deserve to be called subhuman.
>>157926798
It did have romance, it was just shitty romance.
>>157926708
You should probably also try reading the reply next time.
>>157906647
Can we build a formula to describe this? What variables can we use?
>>157926898
I did read. You were referring to what I "needed" and then said you weren't referring to my list of requirements for a good romance
>So you really just needed an on-screen kiss because you're so shit at understanding emotions that aren't in your face?
>I wasn't referring to your shitty list though.
I think you're the one who needs to learn how to read.
>>157906573
I dunno what everyones's fucking problem is, it was a great movie. All the bitching revolves around it "cutting so much content from the manga it is unrecognizable". I admit it could have had the characters a little more fleshed out but at a movie running at 2 hours, some sacrifices had to be made and those cuts do not degrade the meaning and messages the story was trying to tell.
>>157927018
But I never explicitly refer to your list. I refer to you needing an in-your-face representation to understand romance. I don't understand how hard this can be and I have to assume now that you're either handicapped or pretending to be one.
>>157927302
So you're just attacking a strawman instead of actually replying to what I'm saying, got it.
>>157927335
For a person that had to be spelled the same post multiple times to understand what I'm saying, I'd be a little more careful about calling out strawmen too. It's very possible you're making another embarrassing mistake here too.
>>157927500
I don't think you know what a strawman is.
what was the name of the other big movie this year?
>>157927552
I'm not sure if this is the part where I point out that defining a "romance" trough your own set of requirements and attempting to argue against people who do not point out the exact traits you require is also pretty close case to strawman.
>>157927552
What a top tier argument.
>>157927625
What was its name?
Watching it right now
What the fuck Nishimiya's mom is fucking brutal
>>157929531
>posting while watching
>>157926937
It's easy. The limit as Shoya approaches Shouko is infinity.
>>157929531
Deaf girl dies.
>>157929626
I read the manga while it was still publishing anon, I know what happens. But yeah I should give the movie all of my attention
>>157929852
kek
>>157929896
>kek
I tried.
the chex doujin is canon, fuck kyoani.
>>157914287
girls actually think like this though, sperg.
>>157930207
How would you know, though?
>>157930207
>He thinks elementary school girls think like that
>>157930207
Yeah and a girl as hot as Ueno would totally still be into a guy she had a crush on 6 years ago.
>>157930418
Girls usually have a crush on somebody and still fuck shit ton of guys.
>>157930545
You sound like an expert on girls.
Have we figured out all the real-life locations they based the scenes in this movie on? The article only talked about that one museum.
>>157930853
>It's impossible for a hot girl to still have a crush on a childhood friend years later
>>157931733
Are you sure you quoted the right person, anon?
>>157931807
Well since you said here >>157930418 that Ueno wouldn't have a crush on Ishida years later just because she's a hot, I'm pretty sure I quoted the right person
>>157932046
>>157925389
kimi no na wa isn't a generic love story either, it's just fun and satsifying.
Unlike this mess, which is shit for reason detailed here:>>157911959
>>157915057
And would lose a shit-ton of money.
>>157907830
Since this anon didn't really get the arc down in my opinion, I'm going to give it my own shot.
I feel that Koe no Katachi is a redemptive narrative akin to those which dominate American literature, television, and culture.
The redemptive narrative is centrally the idea that one works to redeem a mistake and through effort and struggle, any misdeed can be redeemed.
Maybe that's why I like it so much, I'm a sucker for redemptive narratives.
Exposition -Childhood arc
Rising Action -Shouya's struggle to "repent" (making friends, falling in love) conflicting with his belief that he is irredeemable (social and literal suicide)
Climax -Shouya burns bridges with his friends, insists that he cannot be redeemed
Falling Action -Shouko attempts suicide, Shouya "repents" by "dying" for Shouko
Resolution -Viewer realizes that everyone does care about Shouya, he already was redeemed.
Just finished the movie
I'm glad I read the manga because this was quite a mess. They managed to hit the right notes with the emotional scenes but I don't think I would've cared much if I watched it without reading the manga, there was too much cut off, we barely got to know these characters.
Even the bullying which was supposed to be the core of both main characters storylines wasn't as impactful as it was in the manga. Akko wanting to kill herself as a kid was a damn two frame flashback, what the fuck.
I was really glad when it was announced because Yamada + Kyoani was pretty much a dream adaption, but I can't say it's perfect or anything close to it. She also went too fucking far with the effects.
All in all, a nice watch, but probably not something I'd recommend, especially not to those that haven't read the manga (which is flawed by itself, but at least has some punch to it).
>>157933803
>Exposition - Childhood arc
By ignoring Ishidas phylisophy about over coming boredum everyday, the viewers never see the justification for his actions. It feels so forced and contrived without his justification. In addition, the concept of "defeating boredom" was extensively explored in the source material, and we spend a lot more time in his head. Opposed to the film where things just happen just because.
>Climax - Shouya burns bridges with his friends, insists that he cannot be redeemed
Completely false as a climax cause the movie spent no time actually builidng real relationships between ishida and his "friends"
They're whole "relationships" comes off as contrived and far from genuine, so when shit hits the fans there is no real emotional impact to be had, because there's was nothing their to begin with.
At best we get super shallow small talk here in there, no actual experiences and bonding like in the manga.
>Resolution - Viewer realizes that everyone does care about Shouya, he already was redeemed.
Doesn't work, no real relationships built, no real relationships lost, half the cast shouldn't have even been there, pretending as if they actually had something genuine going on in the movie, what a joke.
Falling Action - Shouko attempts suicide, Shouya "repents" by "dying" for Shouko
This scene works, but only cause sad girls are inherently heart grabbing.
>>157933803
>Falling Action
i get it
>>157933803
>I feel that Koe no Katachi is a redemptive narrative akin to those which dominate American literature, television, and culture.
>>157935209
Yeah it's closer to Crime and Punishment if nothing else.
>>157907087
>>157907191
>>157907830
Rushed or "pacing issues" is /a/'s go to criticism when they have no valid or well-articulated criticism
>>157934627
>Akko wanting to kill herself
Shit, too much LWAshe might want to kill herself according to this week's preview anyway. I meant Shouko wanting to kill herself.
Need to sleep.
>>157935133
I agree that the adaptation gives Kid Shouya gets little insight. Childhood bullying is petty and meaningless though, and the movie gets that point across.
Shouya appears impulsive and it seems like he is trying to impress his friends.
Manga
>Dehumanizes Shouko
>Hates Shouko for "causing" his bullying
>Suddenly timeskip makes him want to repent?
Movie
>Messes with Shouko to impress friends, fucking around
>realizes his friendships were weak, empathises with Shouko
I feel like developing Shouya before the timeskip gives his childhood self enough depth.
>completely false as a climax
That's not how fucking climaxes work, it doesn't matter how effective it is. The climax is the point of maximum tension after which conflicts are resolved, and the story moves towards its logical conclusion.
Shouya, faced with his friends fighting, knowing that Ueno hasn't forgiven Shouko and Kawai hasn't repented, chooses Shouko over them.
Him pushing aside Mashiba, Nagatsuka, and Sahara, though, seems irrational frustration-fueled.
>the movie spent no time actually building real relationships between ishida and his "friends"
None of the three girls changed since middle school, and the only thing lost is slice of life friendship building.
I don't feel like this cut was impactful because Shouya clearly both cherished their presence and questioned the joy he felt from having their friendship when they don't feel the same way he does.
>no real relationships built, no real relationships lost
I do think the movie focused more on Shouya himself than the friends and their relationships, but does friendship really need an hour of fucking exposition? Thats how you fuck with pacing.
Shouya and Nagatsuka haven't had friends in years. Ueno likes Shouya. Kawai and Mashiba are friendly but shallow. Sahara is friendly.
Do you really need chapters of them going out and singing karaoke and making a movie? I didn't feel like it was worth it, but that's just me.
>>157935209
>>157935312
Crime and Punishment has redemptive themes.
Redemptive narratives are generally about characters struggling to redeem themselves before both society and themselves.
Koe no Katachi is about Shouya trying to redeem himself.
Even after he makes amends with Shouko, he still struggles to make peace. It doesn't help that Ueno and Kawai are kinda assholes about their role in the whole thing.
From what I remember of Crime and Punishment, it too is about struggling to redeem oneself, but moreso about struggling to repent itself. Shouya regrets his actions from the time he leaves middle school.
To clarify, I'm not saying it's an american redemptive narrative, just that you can look at it through a redemptive lens and Shouya's actions make more sense.
I probably should have cut the part about the ubiquity of redemptive narratives since the sentence is both useless and comes off preachy, but honestly, think about some popular series and they're there.
My favorite is The Road, but it's less clear because the "crime" isn't forthcoming.
>>157935312
>>157936723
>comparing Koe no Katachi to Dostoevsky
Top kek
This is like when you retards tried comparing Violet Evergarden to Dickens. Just stop.
>>157936807
I didn't bring up the comparison.
>>157936723
>Crime and Punishment
>a redemption story
How can someone misunderstand that book this badly?
Crime and Punishment says nothing about redemption until maybe the last few chapters and the epilogue. It's more of a commentary on Russian society by Dostoevsky. You're an idiot.
>>157936998
I'm not going to pretend to understand crime and punishment or to have even read it in its entirety, so I'll drop out of the discussion.
Either way, I was trying to refute this anon's comparison, not justify it. >>157935312
>>157906573
>lol its better than nothing - conman
>>157906573
>lol its better than nothing - conman
>>157936807
VEG won Kyoani grand prize but Dickens didn't. Nuff said.
>>157925378
K-on movie was better.
>>157938247
No it wasn't
>>157936359
Read the manga again you sound silly.
>>157936359
The friendship doesn't need an hour of exposition, they should have just cut it all together and completely reworked the story to fit a film.
>tfw maidragon ended up being ten times better than koe no katachi
>>157914287
So much of the manga was over the top
>the camera managed to take a picture of Shouko about to jump after Shouya dropped it
>knk first manga I read with /a/, absolutely loved it
>kyoani hands down my favorite studio
>ecstatic when movie is announced
>finally watch it and dont even feel like I actually watched it
Do I need to watch it again? Why did it feel like it just flew by?
>tfw no deaf gf like shouko
This is why women can't create good art.
>>157938247
I agree.
>>157941666
It's terribly paced is why. Though people don't want to admit it.
i liked the movie argument and mashiba beating the shit of shouya, also the part when yuzuru shows the picture of the dead grandma
also ueno is a fucking bitch on mango
>>157941690
>>157941690
>>157933363
kimi sucks and this was fantastic