2016 >10k avg sales

>>157828267
>Fujo and idol shit at the top

Do the Japanese get tired of having taste that shitty

Anime is doing better than ever.

These are horrible sales.
And if you count all anime that broke manabi line you would probably only double the number.

Anime doesn't sell anymore, it really is dying.

>>157828267
>9344
re:zero was a flop
you guys memed way too hard about it, I thought that it was a huge thing in japan

What's up with Fall and fujo shows?

>>157828388
I see you can't read.

>>157828489
>sales
>10'833
WEW

I wonder if sales would be significantly better if you didnt have to pay so fucking much for it.

>>157828267
>anime is dying but yearly graphs are saying anime is doing better than ever
BDs aren't everything anymore, anon.

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>>157828267
Meanwhile, while every studio is trying so hard to pander to a certain group, a madman who is not trying at all, bulldozed through every single one of them

>>157828267
It's just that the neets are starting to die. So less sales and it's stuff that people with a job like that are sold (like for women).

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>>157828267
2016 is a down year m8
Just look at 2017, we are not even half way through and we have tons of shit breaking record left and right.

>>157828267
>actually using this holier than thou autist's site
He won't include Kemono Friends because it's "not anime" even though it's the biggest hit in years.

>more anime produced every season than ever before
> anime is dying
pick one

The sales this season are gimped heavily by 2 huge hit movies and Kemono Friends. Now the only thing they can afford is Granblue and that is only because they get shit in game for buying it.

>>157828683
Granblue and....?

>>157828743
Kimi no Na Wa, I guess.
Fall will have LL:s2

>>157828700
Isn't it cheap as fuck though? All the ones on the list are like 60 bucks a pop, Kemono is like 20 bucks or so and it's 24 episodes.

>>157828770
It's $40 and will sell more than double of anything else except GranBlue.

>>157828743
Your Name
GBF
Koe no Katachi

I know you fags like to shit on kyoanus and flop dragon but Koe no Katachi is actually doing pretty well.

>>157828770
How is 20$ cheap?

>>157828743
Kemono Friends
Kimi no Na Wa
Koe no Katachi
Mobage codes

>>157828816
Oh yeah, I forgot the boatsluts movie and remember moetanks are also coming out at the end of the year.

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>>157828797
200k, anon.
200k when 3rd volume was just released.
500k sales is not impossible. Probably even 600

>>157828830
For BDs? Are you joking?

>>157828267
>drifters
>konosuba
>Rezero
Isekai is the only one who can compete

>>157828267
Physical media are dying.

>>157828770
12 episodes

>>157828903
Yeah, if you ignore all the 100 more isekai that is decaying at the bottom of the well

>>157828700
Wow that is some retarded bullshit. How can that not be anime? How do you even come to that conclusion?

>>157828898
A brand new movie bd release would be 20€
I would expect a cartoon series to sell 15€ per season.

>>157828913
Only ones with worthwhile bonuses will sell anymore, like the codes in granblue or a whole fucking book in Kemono Friends.

>>157828770
>want to argue about things
>can't even cite proper numbers
Okay.

>>157829035
>cartoon
you should lurk more if you know absolutely nothing about the industry

Will Kemono Friends save anime?

>>157828770
>>157829035
>I have no clue what I'm talking about but let me try to talk about it anyway

>>157828770
>2/3 the normal price
>cheap as fuck

Still you westfags won't buy BDs even if its that low

>>157829089
It already saved both anime and the BD business model.

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>>157829089
The industry is powered by the endless greed and studios would always search for the easiest path to easy money.

Seeing KF's success would only make them think that cgi is now the big hit. There shall be no creative merits in their works but they shall continue to saturate the market in desperation to match Tatsuki's actual labor of love

In conclusion, KF shall destroy anime. And from those ashes shall arise the flames of rebirth

>>157828586
>He trusts the Yakuza voodoo numbers

>>157828943
>But regardless, it’s a CG show, which does not fit the definition of anime used here.
He apparently thinks that computer generated graphics aren't 2D. He's a retard.

Finally

Monster boys get Isekai into a world of SUFFERING and 80s manime. One can manipulate ice and decides to fuck around with ice skates. Other can travel back in time every time he dies. Over the course of time they grow into a gay consensual relationship. That should sell 10k right?

>>157829078
I cant imagine the optimal price point for an easily piratable product to be much higher than 20€.
If its 40€ over 20€ surely you lose more than 50% of your potential customers.

>>157829295
Unless they sing with anthropomorphized animals, nope

>>157828929
NAME AT LEAST 2 OF THEM

>>157829418
Zero no Tsukaima S2,3,4
Log Horizon

>>157829512
Those were before the isekai fad kicked in
They dont count

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>>157828267
No, it's getting stronger. Salesfags are dying.

>>157829332
You really have to lurk for 2 years before posting here.

>>157829035
>video games sell for 60€/$ with less than 8 hours runtime that is equivalent for a season of anime
I don't see any issues here.

>>157828267
How much did flipflop sell? I still can't find the BD torrents anywhere.

>>157828743
What's so good about the granblue anime?

>>157829812
Nothing. It comes with in game codes. Lurk more.

>>157829776
A fractale.

>>157829566
Grimgar and Modachi

>>157829812
It's just the adaptation of a really popular mobil game, Like Shingeki no Bahamut.

It has million of followers/players so there isn't the need to create a fandom (Aka the one who buy stuff), since they are already there.

>>157829862
Sorry that I heavily avoid generals about shitty anime anon.

>>157829953
So does Puzzle & Dragons.

>>157829812
It gives you a SSR and some game stuff that would actually cost you more money to get in the actual game.

>>157829776
it's even worse for Keijo.

>>157830060
What shitty anime is this general about?

http://www.someanithing.com/4324
Top sellers of 2016:
>63,448 Yuuri!!! on Ice - fujoshit
>54,351 Love Live! Sunshine!! - idolshot
>32,223 Koyomimonogatari
>28,927 Uta no Prince-sama Maji Love Legend Star - fujoshit AND idolshit
>16,730 Touken Ranbu: Hanamaru - fujoshit
>11,760 Kono Subarashii Sekai ni Shukufuku wo! - isekaishit
>11,067 Drifters - isekaishit
>10,833 Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu - isekaishit
>10,034 Haikyuu!!: Karasuno Koukou VS Shiratorizawa Gakuen Koukou - fujoshit
>9,525 B-Project - fujoshit AND idolshit
>9,474 Macross Delta - idolshit
>8,794 Joker Game - fujoshit
This industry is a joke. Koyomimonogatari is the only non idol/fujo/isekai anime in this top. Thank you Shaft for saving anime with high quality harems and fan service.

>>157830580
Its funny how koyomimonogatari is much lower effort than standard series yet sells so well.
No wonder Shaft keeps doing monogatari forever.

>>157829512
It's okay because ZnT is legitimately trash beyond trash.

>>157829089
If anything, it will make anime die even faster.

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Came in here to post a hostile thread but good thing this one's already up.

I've always hated anime. It's never once proven me wrong. Ghibli are enjoyable flicks but everything else, any show, any series, most of the films, they're just terrible 99.9% of the time. This is a terrible medium. It produces nothing but cancer.

I've been saying this since I first cained cognitive functions in the late '90's and I still say it now. It is a truth that runs throughout my life. My perception of things changes from time to time. Some things I stop liking, some things I start to like, some things are cast in a different light through aging and experience. But there is one universal constant: anime is shit, and will continue to be shit until the day it dies. It's a fad, one that is long overdue for a crash and a hard reset.

>>157829602
Pachinko is fucking cancer.

>>157830830
I like the show, but I feel like this will ultimately be the direction the industry would be heading.
Because if a no budget show can succeed, why do you even need to pour money into your show.

I hope you all realize the reason Kemono friends isn't on the site is because oricon has it under a book release and not dvd/bd

>>157830911
>ghibli
Stopped reading there.

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>tfw Koe no Katachi and Kimi no Na wa made everything flop in 2017
I, for one, welcome the new era of anime movies.

>>157830984
I thought the same thing, but Someanithing is actually just being a fag
http://www.someanithing.com/6688

>>157830984
If he wasn't autistic he could at least include it with a note saying *book. But that's not why he didn't.

>>157831016
No, actually, there's been one big seller each season.

>>157831016
I thought Koe No Katachi didn't do so well but that must be the anti kyoani autistis shitposting

>>157830984
Why though?

>>157830984
For a show which generated that much buzz and had that many viewers for the final stream (i heard it was shy of 500k), it sure sell relatively little.

>>157830984
CG anime in general isn't on the site because the autistic fuck doesn't count CG anime as "anime".

>>157831233
He gave a link saying it sold only 30k
Never stayed on the thread though

Netflix will save anime

Idolshit and fujoshit seems to be doing just fine.

>>157831286
The audience for it was mostly teenagers, who don't have the buying power.

Not much of a success, but still good enough for KyoAni.

>>157831106
>>157831178
>>157831266
Oh whoops. Should've figured
>>157831261
Tracking the sales exactly is impossible because both Oricon and Amazon fucked with it due to the guidebook included with the release. The only way to know for sure is by word of mouth by the staff involved

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>>157830984
he
And what was the reason why he did not add Sidonia and Arpeggio

>>157830935
>Pachinko
It is all about mobage now.

>>157828489
Only BDs count.

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>>157831261
>i heard it was shy of 500k
You heard right

The comments on KF stream went over 4M. To compare: madoka and Bake got less than 1.5m

>>157831341
200k vol of circulation for 3 volumes is nice, but figure given by publisher tends to be inflated to little. Circulation also doesn't immediately translate to sell
However I can see it having little drop over the rest of the volume since it's not like the BD comes with that much extra stuff. Oricon number would probably plateau at around 35k for vol 1 and 30k for the rest.

>>157829078
"Anime" literally translates to "cartoon", you know.

>>157831016
Kimi no Wa was shit so I don't know why you welcome this type of industry. But more power to you.

Based Kimi no Na Wa sucking all the otaku money.

>>157831643
>it's not like the BD comes with that much extra stuff
They come with a whole fucking book. And yeah publisher numbers are inflated but oricon's are underestimated and unreliable. The actual number is somewhere in between, and taking into account they tend to be sold out, I'll bet it's closer to the circulation numbers.

>>157828637
Can't wait for the isekai era. A lot of them now pander to overworked office man/woman instead of your usual otaku.

>>157828627
I don't think your show is that good, but I'll take that over your usual seasonal shit.

>>157829182
Brilliant.

KF is Bane, crashing the anime industry with no survivors

>>157830760
Yeah. Their fanbase is hilariously delusional too.

>>157832085
So what exactly do you want to see changed and how do you think that's going to change the overall impact of isekai?

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>>157832128

>>157832357
For fucks sake, it's been almost a decade already. Why does baneposting still find ways to be funny?

>>157832036
I will concede if it manages to reach 400k circulation for all 6 vols.
But to be honest, BD sale is good but the real money usually come from the merch. Kadokawa should have just gone all out on the merch for this.

>>157832559
That was debunked by an insider.

>>157832559
They've been ramping up the merch. They just went into this with no expectations.

>>157832280
The genre pretty much exists for wish-fulfillment. Just look at the top 10 list. Might as well do wish-fulfillment for everyone.

>>157828267
DRIFTERS actually sold? That's a pretty huge surprise, and kinda an embarrassment, i'm more than sure that the adaptation was made only to give the manga a little of publicity, big surprise for the studio, what will they do now?

Good, this trend of lazily animated moeshit has to end. K-On among others made them realize they could make a tonne of money for very little effort and we've been in the shit since then with more and more attempts to see just how little effort they could put in while still making money. They didn't consider that people would get fucking fed up with it, hence the decline of the last decade. Even fucking Dragon Ball is done lazily nowadays and don't you tell me that's a budget issue, DB is fucking huge.

At this rate, either they drop the moeshit or anime dies.

>>157828568
everyone just watches it online

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>>157832869
How old are you, child?

>>157832991
What anime did this guy watch?

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>>157832559
>Kadokawa should have just gone all out on the merch for this.
There's a lot of things they should have done, but nobody, not even the director/creator expected this to do well.

The little merch they did manage to muster up sold out instantely. For example, They sold 10,000 Kemono Friends wash buckets.

yes, wash buckets.

>>157833021

Ninja Scroll

>>157833021
Samurai pizza cats.

>>157831992
no it doesn't

>>157832869
>Even fucking Dragon Ball is done lazily nowadays and don't you tell me that's a budget issue, DB is fucking huge

Bigger budget doesn't automatically mean great anime.

It's more a matter of finding talented individuals that want to work on DB Super. Most of the big name anime studios already picked them up long ago, so Toei is left with shit.

Not only that, but what talented individual is going to risk having their name attached to DB? It's not always about money. That is naive.

>>157832869
>K-On
>lazily animated

>>157833185

it's also a matter of overproducing and stretching your manpower thin
It seems to me that to save anime, you must have less anime produced per season

>>157833245
>It seems to me that to save anime, you must have less anime produced per season

This.

>>157828388
>9344 is a flop
What.

>>157833271
I think he's trying to say it's a flop considering how hyped /a/ made it out to be, when in reality the sales were very average.

>>157828388
Mushitko Tensei is bigger among isekai enthusiasts.

>>157828388
It's only a "huge thing" on /a/ and reddit.

>>157832085
Yeah, you know most of those otome reincarnation stories are written for lonely office ladies who didn't get a boyfriend even though they're already like 30 or more.

It's a different kind of trash from the male-oriented ones.

>>157833493
Yeah, I've been reading the one with the manga=grimoire thing and it's so hilariously blatant that it's a wish-fulfillment. And a particular kind too as it's for folks who wish they could return being a kid and stay there while having endless adventures with cute loli wives.

Sunrise didn't even release the DVD version for LL Sunshine?

Dayum.

>>157833493
Written for young girls = Fem MC will be innocent and will probably be dominated by the male love interest
Written for old women = Fem MC will be smart and resourceful. Won't fall for the horde of males following her around. Will string them along instead. Fem MC will have some goal not related to romance.

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>>157828267

Anime industry is growing over 10% every year. It grew 12% in 2016.

It's not dying. It's doing better than ever. Disc sales are just becoming less and less significant in the internet age.

>>157828267
Remember when guys said that YOI would fail? Or when it wouldn't sell 10k let alone 30k? That it would never outsell Love Live!! Sunshine? That it only sold more because it had event tickets even though the LL volumes without event tickets didn't even sell half of YOI BDs without event tickets?

I remember.

>>157833728
Interesting how the one written for old woman is similar to Western mommy romance. Only Japanese women still like wearing frills and dresses.

>>157833795
YOI was a mistake. Fucking fujoshits.

>>157833728

This is bullshit. Tons of otome for teens have resourceful young girl MC who turns a bunch of super hot dudes into her obedient harem.

To be honest they often have a more successful MC and more obedient harem than stuff for males.

>>157833795

Sunshine average will be higher once all volumes are out. Last vol of sunshine sold over 64k.

Also YoI sold DVD's while Sunshine didn't.

>>157833862
>Tons of otome for teens have resourceful young girl MC who turns a bunch of super hot dudes into her obedient harem

Really? How do you know they're for teens?

>>157833927

Age of the MC? Just look at all the ones based on Alice in Wonderland.

>>157833493
Transported = For teenagers because it usually stars teenagers.
Reincarnated = For older folks who want to start over, become a cute kid once more, and use real life knowledge cheats to have an easy time growing up into a top tier person they could never be in real life.

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>/a/ still thinks only disc sales matter

>The rule of thumb for the industry used to be that “if it sold this many discs, then it’d work out,” but now the process has changed so that they’re able to recoup funds from streaming rights (with a great focus on China) and broadcast rights, even if discs don’t sell much in particular. This doesn’t just affect streaming there; if a committee determines that “this work will be profitable even if it has to be recouped internationally,” then there’s an inclination to sell it in box sets instead. We’re seeing nearly every publisher in Japan switch to offering box sets of varying sizes for certain shows (4-episodes, 5-episodes, even 6-episode boxes), so that’s a result of not needing to sell as many singles or copies due to international right sales.

https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2017/05/18/this-week-in-anime-business-2/

>>157833917
Last volume sold 64k because it had event tickets. They also don't sell DVDs. YOI volume 6 will also sell 60k+ at the minimum so another 64k won't beat YOI.

>>157833969
>Age of the MC?

They all usually star young girls. Christmas Cakes don't want to fantasize being Christmas Cakes in a fantasy world.

I only know a couple of Alice In Wonderland-based otome and all of them star your usual shoujo leads.

>>157834082
>Christmas Cakes don't want to fantasize being Christmas Cakes in a fantasy world

This is why fetish for older woman should be more mainstream.

Rezero is shit.

At least wish fulfillment for older guys usually will have less edge than the ones for teenagers.

>>157834034

YoI sales are consistently going down with every volume. They are not reaching 60k since vol3.

And 1/3 of the sales are cheaper DVD's.

Not like any of this even matters since real $ is in merchandise and LL wins there by far.

Reminder that Kemono Friends episode 3 was the first ever to break 100k paid streaming views on niconico. For you disc sales are dead fags.

>>157834188
I wonder, has any anime in history ever sold as much as Kemono Friends in such a short duration?

>>157834112
Don't think I know any harem where the older woman won.

>>157834212
Older woman, as in, 25 or more woman, is already pretty rare on itself.

>>157834211

No. It destroyed all records.

>>157833917
>Last vol of sunshine sold over 64k
That was the last volume.

Also LL's volumes 1, 2, 5, 6 and 7 were all concert tickets yet it still couldn't average better than YoI.

There is nothing new or relevant being discussed in this thread, but I'm still glad that CGI-anime like Kemono Friends has outdone everything else.
I have no pity for the dumb 2d animators who are wasting their youth and their talents working on some one or two seconds of slightly better animated scenes in otherwise incredibly boring shit with side mouth flaps and people just standing around, or even worse, having the audacity to not finish production on time and actually shitting out recap episodes.
There is no need to waste any cent on trying to support a billion dollar industry where the fat rich producers can exploit the dumb animators so easily. They are dumbasses who deserve being treated like shitty slaves.

>>157828267
That's what people said in 09.

It's now nearly a decade later... it's still chugging.
If it went on streaming sites like netflix more it would earn even more.

>>157829512
Log Horizon is NHK-funded. It could sell 100 copies and it'd be a success.

>>157829602
You'll find that it will get even better as streaming sites gain more ground.
That open the door for television once again. Apparently they're killing with earnings more than ever now.

>>157829602
Also check out that rise in foreign income.
I bet that's doubled since '15. Anime seems to be breaking the mainstream again, even in it's otaku base. Weeaboos everywhere lately.

>>157834762
season 3 when?

http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/106141

>>157828309
apparently not

People are wising up
Buying BDs is just fucking retarded and a huge waste of money

>>157834883
>Anime seems to be breaking the mainstream again
Thats the same as dying.

>>157832869
K-On no longer holds the "tonne of money for very little effort" title anymore. That's been robbed by KF.

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>>157833998
>sakuga blog

I like how Kemonofags pretend their shitty 3dpd anime broke all the records, when The World of Golden Eggs, an even shittier 3dpd anime, outsold it.

>>157839069
And Final Fantasy Advent Children outsold golden eggs.
But no, they're only a single disc so no one cares. KF already moved more discs than golden eggs.

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>>157838847
nice argument, shitposter-kun

>>157828267
>Drifters sold well
I am pleased.

There might just be more generic anime shows then there used to be, you've gotta sift through a lot of shit now

>>157834883
>foreign income
I believe that's only China with very little from the rest of the world. But that's something I read here.

>>157828267
This actually worries me, what if they stop making anime?

>>157828267
>2017
>BD sales mattering

>Anime is dying
>more series per season than ever

>>157829602
>you will live to see the day sales cancer finally die

>>157828267
I'm more bothered by the fact that only shitty anime seems to be selling these days. It didn't use to be this bad before.

>>157841519
Yeah it did. Japan has shit taste.

>>157841360
I think it's actually less shows than last year.
Which is still a lot because last year was ridicilous

>>157841519
It was always that bad.

>>157841519
>GSD

>>157841944
Looking at http://anichart.net
Winter 2016
29 new series
17 leftovers
16 shorts
Winter 2017
37 new seris
14 leftovers
11 shorts
Spring 2016
45 new series
5 leftovers
22 shorts
Spring 2017
46 new series
3 leftovers
18 shorts

I'd say it's comparable.
And 2016 definitely had more shows than 2015, even if it stagnates a bit now it's still doing really good.

>>157842086
Shitty anime sold well but good anime also sold well at times, these days I'm not so sure about that.

>>157839392
>a "blog" with no actual sources, hard figures, or experience citing bullshit about sales

it is LITERALLY no more credible than random anons posting on this website

>>157842700
Having so many shows is exact reason anime is dying. It's not about sales, but more about overproduction and lack of human/time resources. Almost everything is 1 cour, more recap episodes even as early as after episode 4, quality drops, delays. Lots of industry people are telling about it.

How bad is anime piracy?

Rather, BD's are becoming irrelevant in this age of digital distribution and streaming

The nips are just following the trend

>>157834211
Your new is showing. There are plenty of record breaking shows. Some changed the anime story forever, other faded and are now forgotten.

This is not the first or last time that a show becomes a hit among otaku.

>>157830580
>11,067 Drifters - isekaishit
It's actually fujoshit.

>>157845366
It was made by the same guy behind hellsing

>>157845366
Why don't we get isekai-idol-fujo-anime yet?

>>157841519
>YOI
>bad

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>>157828267
>not a single kyoani show in sight

>>157844258
None as explosively fast as KF, except maybe Madoka.

>>157829602
About time someone other than me posted this

>>157844009
It'd be more interesting to see the sales figures for merchandise like figurines and whatnot.

>>157833768
HOLY FUCK PICKED UP

>>157851790
10,000 buckets.

>>157833795
It nevr outsold Sunshine though