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How badly is piracy hurting anime? are there any concrete numbers?

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How badly is piracy hurting anime? are there any concrete numbers?
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>something you can watch on tv for free
>piracy
Might as well complain about anything that lets you record tv shows.
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>>157826740
2 is a concrete number.
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>>157826740
It's even helping anime, a lot of people I know that buy merch pirate their anime and wouldn't even know what anime is if shitty pirate sites like kissanime didn't exist
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People don't buy anime because it's their only means of watching it.
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>>157826790
both Anime and TV series use DVD/Blu-ray sales as a source of income.

Also, Some TV series (the good ones) only exist on paid cable, Netflix or some other form paid media. Dont know how it is in Japan but this is basically what Crunchyroll is.

so yes, I'd say anime piracy does have some effect.
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>>157826790
dont steal cable
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>>157826790
TV stations license the anime which goes to pay for anime production. If people aren't watching anime from TV, then TV companies don't license anime shows. If TV companies don't license anime shows, then anime industry is hurt as a result.

Just because you watch something on TV doesn't mean its free. You are paying the TV companies with your attention and by consuming advertisement.
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>>157826740
Barely
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>>157826740
If everyone paid $35 per 2 episodes for every anime they watched on BluRay, the industry's owners would be nine hundred thousand gorillion dollars richer.

It's basically like, turn everyone's internet access off now to stop all that crime.
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>>157826740
piracy outside japan does nothing
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Piracy may certainly hurt the entertainment industry, but if they are smart, they will just adapt to it with new innovative ideas.
Since everyone likes to watch shit on their computer nowadays, they came up with services like Netflix and Crunchyroll.
Normies will continue to pay for anime/entertainment that way, partly because of laziness (too lazy to find HQ torrents), and partly because of a misguided sense of morality? (if i don't pay for it, Mr Shekelberg can't afford a new Ferrari!).
The amount of people pirating is actually fairly small, and chances are they wouldn't pay for it even if piracy wasn't an option
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>>157827000
TV ratings are calculated from selected representative group of people that use special TV equipment to watch TV and they doing it for exchange of free TV and\or some money. I doubt that torrents affect those ratings much considering they watch for free anyway.
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>>157827078
yeah but not everyone who watches anime buys the BD. some are content with just TV airing. and others wont pay that much for anime.

I probably should've phrased the question better, are there any concrete numbers on how prevalent anime piracy is? (and from that we can make guess work on how much money is lost assuming some percentage will actually buy it if theres no free alternative)

>>157827081
Wont piracy hurt companies that redistribute it like Crunchyroll and thus, by proxy, hurt the industry in Japan?
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>>157827289
Piracy/torrents have completely nullified commercial Anime viability in western world. Instead, former pirates have resorted to create a consortium for the mass of streamers(crunchyshit). This pay out to anime industry is very minimal however its still better than nothing.

It definitely hurts compared to a traditional model, but its a plus compared to full on piracy mode.
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>>157827000
For late night anime it's the opposite. The anime production committee pays the TV station to air it.
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>2ch blames us for low sales and being filthy pirates
>any japanese raw, untranslated game, or porn has mostly japanese IPs
What do they mean by this?
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>>157827341
And almost no one pays $550+ per picture and site in standard editorial licensing fees to animu images the image licensing company either.

This Chinese cartoon board alone looses the industry another nine thousand gorillion dollars.

> are there any concrete numbers on how prevalent anime piracy is
In relation to what, purchases? Random bitorrent trackers have easily >100 times more downloads on their tracker alone than there were DVD/BluRay or such sales.

No fucking clue how it comparses to legal watching on TV stations.

Maybe a third to half of the business model for anime is being promotion materials to sell merchandise to the most excited fans, and it's probably more money than individually selling the actual episodes themselves makes.
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>>157827000
Wait, isn't isn't usually TV stations are paid to show anime? They won't show it for free it's not mainstream enough to bring ratings. So they are paid minimum fare to show anime show at some late night timeslot.
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Private property is a spook. You're free to take whatever you want as long as nobody can keep you from doing so.
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>>157827078
Wold you pay $35 per 2 episodes for much of the anime you watched this season?
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>>157827751
Don't you run the risk of getting killed or raped if no one plays by the rules?
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>>157826740
Rise of high quality HDTV torrents pretty much killed emerging licensed anime companies in russia. No one would buy DVDs if pirated TV rip have better or comparable quality. And licensing and making BD costs more and were less popular back then
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>>157826740
Remember that the Keijo!!!!!!!! anime was killed by the Japanese and foreign positive reception of the anime could have kept the manga going, but it didn't happen.
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Japan has really shot itself in the foot by refusing to expand their market properly
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>>157827751
Truly, communism is what we all need.
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>>157827778
There is no causality between getting killed or raped and pirating anime. Contrary to what Kant might want you to believe you can easily adhere to some rules and completely ignore others. The one is not tied to the other.
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>>157827776
Nope, certainly not. Even $7 / month for a partial selection of the market isn't interesting.

If it was $10 / month + pay what you want to individual series kickstarter / patreon-style for the whole manga anime hentai market, then probably that'd work.
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>>157827806
What do you suggest. For japan to translate anime for dirty gaijins? I doubt foreigners will buy enough 35$ per 2 episodes BDs to cover translator expenses.
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>>157826740
>How badly is piracy hurting anime? are there any concrete numbers?
>concrete numbers
SiO2 21.9%
Al2O3 6.9%
Fe2O3 3%
CaO 63%
MgO 2.5%
SO3 1.7%
This is the correct percentage of ingredients for concrete, hopefully these concrete numbers will help you.
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>>157826740
I am sorry Japan.
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>>157827888
When you can easily ignore laws, others can do the same too.
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>>157827482
>>157827584
So anime is for hipsters in japan?
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>>157826928
>so yes, I'd say anime piracy does have some effect.
on increasing awareness and sales
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>>157827958
Indeed. And your point is?

If the rule itself kept people from doing certain things we wouldn't need prisons.
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>>157827805
Remember that the author himself wanted to end it, and what you're spouting are troll translations.
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Nothing. It actually helps.

Who the fuck buys a BD version without having watched it first for free?
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>>157828030
who the fuck buys a BD after getting it for free?
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>>157827958
There is a vastly bigger risk that people ignore / resist ideas that seem unjust and not something society should grant.

Like large bits of those intellectual property laws.

We should just formally overturn them entirely for noncommercial use like the internet has practically speaking already done, but then usually of course the paid lobbyists show up when you try that.
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>>157828048
I do. Sometimes anyway. I like having a physical collection. Bonus features are all right sometimes too.
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>>157828048
I bought it for the physical copies and all the collectibles you usually get for it.
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>>157827966
For kids and crazy little girl murderers
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>>157828048
I did bought anime/manga/games many times after trying it out for free and loving it.
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>>157826740
I would've never even started watching it had I not had easy access to it in the first place. Now I've got a room filled with source material, figures and gunpla.
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>>157827778
What do you think
>nobody can keep you from doing so
means anon?
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>>157828565
No one exist but I? A solipsist position?

I'm the strongest, thus the weak must fear the strong?
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>>157828612
But thats wrong anon.
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>>157827365
Don't the troubles and costs of localization already make selling anime in the West already mean that most studios just sell distribution rights to Funimation and the like?
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>>157826928
> Dont know how it is in Japan
Okay bud, why did you even bother to spew your ignorant garbage even when you know you don't know shit.
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>>157828702
How much companies like Funimation can give the anime companies depend on how strong the market is.

If the market is strong, the anime companies will ask for lot more money. If this market is weak, then they will accept scraps (crunchyshit).
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>>157828702
Its more about the fact they can't be arsed to, and American companies popped up doing their job in the 90s.
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>>157827157
>if i don't pay for it, Mr Shekelberg can't afford a new Ferrari!)

Lel 4chinz. Barron Jewberg has little to do with animu. You're hurting the noble Japanese race and dedicated animators who get paid only a pittance per hour But seriously get jews out of the banks and take the media away from them
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>>157828702
It's mainly the troubles over the costs otherwise localization companies wouldn't be able to exist even with their low profits. Nips may work 15 hour days but most of that time the salarymen are getting handies at a soapland with their boss. That's super hyperbolic and not representative of the production process of anime but is for the guys that get paid to manipulate data for a living over making a product.
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Piracy can only hurt anime in the way healthy people hurt the healthcare industry. Not the consumers' fault the industry can't adapt to a post-internet market.

As for how much more money the industry would make if piracy were not a thing, that's a negative quantity. Anime wouldn't be shit internationally without piracy.
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Considering the anime industry as whole, globally, has experienced double digit industry growth in the past 2 years and is bigger than it has ever been in any objective quantifiable way I'd say piracy ain't doing shit.

The idea that piracy hurts sales is a fucking myth, generally less than 1% of any given media actually pirates stuff and of that small amount of people most of them would not have bought the thing anyway and some small portion of pirates actually buy the thing they pirate after they pirate it if they like it enough. If anything piracy is just free advertising
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>>157829058
If I had to pay for anime I wouldn't have started watching it in the first place.
And now I am buying books, artbooks and DVDs.
So what about piracy being the arch evil of every media?
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>>157829425
>>157829479
This, piracy opens up new markets and industries. You think anime would be as big as it is in the West if it wasn't for free streaming? The whole reason Netflix and Spotify exists is as a direct response to piracy too
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>>157826740
99.99% of people who pirate anime wouldnt buy it even if they couldnt pirate
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>>157826790
It was partly mentioned in the thread already but besides licensing for the show, "free" tv stations aren't actually free, they just generate revenue in other ways than paying for the channel. For paid channels you pay the premium up front usually in a package deal from your cable company for HD content, no ads or movies. For free channels you likely pay for what you're watching in ads, which usually take up about 1/3 of the time slot for each episode. For example anime is usually around 24 minutes, so for every 30 minute time slot that's 6 minutes worth of ads the TV company is assuming you're watching and generating revenue from the companies hosting their ads on the channel.

As far as piracy and anime goes, it's probably too small of an industry to actually matter. Of the already small japanese market, the west is an even smaller market which crunchy/amazon pretty much has by the balls. Most of the shows are just scooped up by simulcasters for pennies and any money they make from people paying for their services barely makes it back to the producers, let alone the animators. As always the best way to support the industry is to buy BDs or figs directly. In my opinion the exposure people get to series they might like through piracy might incite them to buy goods which in turn would support the industry more than paying for jew services like crunchy.
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>>157826740
To answer your question directly:
Piracy involves the theft of largely intangible property. The only current methods of tracking it cost more to implement than they save, so there are very few hard numbers.
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>>157829664
The whole irony for me is that I probably wouldn't have bought merchandise to support the creators if I haven't actually felt guilty for pirating the material.
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>>157830011
>being this much of a pussy
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>>157830123
Guilt has nothing to do with fear. If I was a pussy I would be streaming my anime instead of torrenting or not even consuming anime at all. Nice dig though. I'm mildly upset.
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>>157826740
Not at all
At least outside of Japan
All those LNs only get released in the west because people download their animu for free
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This will never happen, but I wish studios did in-house English subtitling so we could directly buy BDs from them. Paying Funimation who pays the studio once for a lifetime licensing deal hardly seems like a way to support the industry.
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>>157830181
>A person feeling guilty in general, sometimes allegedly because of small things and sometimes without knowing why, may have been indoctrinated into feeling constant guilt by a violent social environment. Their guilt is likely deeply connected to their fear of other people's judgment and rejection.

Guilt is a complicated feeling and it's root is fear.
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>>157827157
>(if i don't pay for it, Mr Shekelberg can't afford a new Ferrari!).
I never really got how stupid people can think like this.
>Someone makes service, you pay for service, someone makes more service
>durr no one should pay for service because dat just helps da joos. I'm entitled to other people's labors for free like communism only don't call it that because ess jay dubyas like that and they're joos and I fight da jews
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>>157830195
>All those LNs only get released in the west because people download their animu for free
This, pretty much every manga and LN that gets released in the english speaking market is because it first acquired some popularity online that it would never have gotten were it not freely accessible.
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>>157830314
he's saying that you're not actually supporting the industry. you're paying the people who pay the creators once to sell their anime in the west forever
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>>157827157
>Normies
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>>157826740
Considering the legal methods of watching Anime (excluding buying BDs) give the creators very little money there's not much impact.
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>>157826740
Piracy killed anime studios forcing shitty moebait shows into existence pandering to Japanese virgins who buy merchandise and fan service.

Thats all its been for 14 years.
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>>157826740
There wouldn't even be a western market for anime without piracy. We only know about it because for years fans translated and distributed anime via VHS and online.
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>>157829664
99% of people who buy anime wouldn't buy it if they couldn't pirate
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>>157830304
>There are only three emotions and that is happiness, sadness, and fear.
I've heard this shit before but it is an oversimplification of the complex nature of how our brain works when it comes to emotion. You can slippery slope almost anything to anything else with oversimplifications. There is no color purple for example even though it can be classified as a distinct color but you would take the tack that there is only red, blue, and yellow.
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What's hurting anime is the greedy corporations who don't pay animators enough.
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i'm hurting the anime industry.
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>>157827751
>there will never be an anime set in the girl's school Stirner taught at
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>>157830618
You are still a fucking pussy for buying shit out of guilt. Might as well hang yourself for wasting perfectly fine air.
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>>157830396
>he's saying that you're not actually supporting the industry. you're paying the people who pay the creators once to sell their anime in the west forever
>You're paying the people who are paying the creators! That doesn't help the creator at all! the industry will survive without the creator being paid
A...are you kidding me? You pay these services so they pay the creator so the creator has more money to make more. how do you think A-1 can rapid fire out so much bad anime? because people actually buy their shit in japan and the west. meanwhile good anime is pushed further to the background because people with good taste are either too stupid or too poor to actually support the industry. Also you have to renew licenses when you're selling an anime. Meaning if funimation gets a cash cow they can keep paying that creator to publish the cash cow in the west.
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>>157830704
You spend your memorial day picking fights with strangers on the internet while I'm about to fire up the grill and cook up some ribeyes and burgers. Which one of us is the more valuable person? I'll answer it for you: it's not you faggoid.
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>>157827751
>>157830683
What the fuck is the giant dot supposed to be on Stirner's forehead?
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>>157830773
>paying a licensing company whose revenue trickles down to the anime creators
>paying an anime studio for BDs directly
you tell me which supports the anime industry more, anon. you're supporting the licensing industry. I'll give it to you that buying licensed shit in the west is the only legal way EOPs can show support, but the returns to the studios are far less than they would be if we just bought directly from them.
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>>157831349
If you can't obtain a BD then watching from a subscription service is the second best bet. more over say you're not a particular super fan and would much rather just casually watch it, it still supports the creator to watch it on a streaming service. Are you seriously going to argue that paying nothing is better than paying them indirectly? cause if so you have a very warped view of the market.
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>>157830910
His temple. He's pretty highbrow
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>>157830778
>apologetic pussy burger
This shit gets better with every post!
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>>157827157
>Normies
>HQ torrents
>being a retard

And you thought nobody would notice.
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>>157830778
i should go fight a veteran as well
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>>157829965
I've always thought it stupid that there are two crimes with the same name.
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Anime producers who are selling anime discs and anime music are being hurt by piracy.

But then again, creating an industry that is utterly reliant on 100k to 250k uber-autistic anime otaku who stay up at night to watch nip cartoons for teenagers, of which at best only a tenth of them even tends to buy the anime that they produce every 4 months was a daft business decision in the first place.
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>>157835248
They living a dream
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>>157827966
Hipsters called Otaku.
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>>157826740
It's good for them if it gets people to buy merch
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>>157827541
It's obviously those filthy gaijin english teachers
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Watch little watch academia on Netflix and recommend it to everyone if you want to support a healthier business model for anime.
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>>157827341
>Crunchyroll

Fuck crunchyroll.
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It isn't.
It's helping.
How many of you would be watching anime right now if it wasn't for piracy.

>>157836385
>gives money to the Americans
>thinks he helps the Japanese
Every time.
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>>157827482
Why don't they just put it on youtube or something for free? They would also benefit from ad revenue.
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>>157826740
If animu torrent sites had links to donate to both fansubbers and the creators studio I wouldn't mind donating $1 per episode with 0.10 to fansubber. It's just that pirating is a better and faster service with no ad bullshit
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>>157836495
A lot of anime does stream these days, but you get more people watching TV
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Media (and not just anime) has reached post-scarcity, and there's no turning back the clock. Ideally the rest of our society would catch up, and there are some promising trends towards mass automation but we aren't there yet.

Anti-piracy campaigns are like trying to stuff a genie back in the bottle. What societies need to do is to find a new way to compensate creators while still giving the public at large the benefits of file sharing.
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>>157826740
Piracy demonstrably helps series popularity by increasing ease of access. Does it with games, movies, music, anime, cartoons, everything. It's the same reason why artists post free content online that you can buy, because awareness is the most important thing in a media market.

Metrics say more people pirate their anime than stream from legal sources, and it's boomed the medium's popularity and made is marketable.
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>>157826740
It doesn't hurt anything, it's just the greedy fuckers want more money.
Anime disks have always been a niche, the anime industry isn't worth $20 billion because some shitty disk sales.
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>>157836501
>It's just that pirating is a better and faster service with no ad bullshit

Agree. Crunchyroll, and Funimation offer subpar service, and charge for it. Most people including myself buy subs to keep the industry alive for the us market, but prefer to watch elsewhere.

It's doesn't even fell like my subs do anything anyway since the Japanese market decides what anime gets picked up, and how much effort the studio puts into a series.
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>>157827078
And then all the people who you're talking about would never have watched the show in the first place and wouldn't blindly throw money at it. Piracy only helps the industry.
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>>157830683
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There are no actual numbers, they all merely go off of the amount of people supposedly pirating and what money could have been made if it weren't. It's all theoretical since there is no assurance that the amount of money could be made if ways to pirate weren't available. There's no guarantee that people would have bought items or discs. It's all a mere guess and people want money, that's it. The numbers that are supposedly listed by people against piracy are likely to be overblown due to being advocates and only conforming to confirmation bias. But take it as a grain of salt.
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>>157826928
anime (the good ones) air on normal tv in japan just like any primetime american series, weekly. Netflix offers a lot more in japan. It has a huge list and you don't have to whore yourself like what happens here in the occidental world with crunchyroll. At least, having netflix means being able to watch other stuff, not just a limited number of anime series and in good quality, again; a better option than crunchyroll.

also, I agree with many people here by saying that being able to watch a series for free is helping the industry. You really thing people would spend 80 euro / dollars for 3 episodes without knowing if it's good or not? com'on, money isn't something you wipe your ass with. You buy it because you like it, you want to keep it and you want the extras too (something that most american dvd's are missing - at least some countries in europe made an effort in making madoka magica blurays worth buying).
In the case of japan, people buy the dvd's other than liking the series after watching it, because you mainly can't stay up until 3 waiting for your series to air, but; surprise: people also tape their series...so there you go: piracy is helping...and I wouldn't even call it piracy, it would be the same if we all knew moon language and watch the live stream on jap tv. CR and Funi call it piracy because they want the money.

and don't say we are all cheap steaks...we buy the gooddamn figurines and merchandise. that's where our money really goes.
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>>157836975
Eh, it's the nip producers themselves who are the most shit-ass about piracy. Crunchyroll and Funimation are only doing anti-piracy stuff because they're forced by the nip producers to do so if they still want to do business with them.
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It is kinda pointless to try and go after piracy, it's like attempting to cut a hydra's head one after another with no end. There's a way out of it, sites tend to maintain themselves and the creators of the sites themselves through ad revenue. Surely, Kissanime is well off, but the idea is still there. So instead of going with some subscription service, you make the best streaming/manga hosting site where ads are not really obtrusive and people will go there instead of going to hosting sites. Moreover, it is something that the content creators essentially host themselves. That way, the amount of revenue that can be gained through beating competition while being technically legal and supporting content creators, you have a free best hosting site.
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>>157826740
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/04/04/damage-caused-by-japanese-film-anime-manga-piracy-amounts-to-25-billion-in-2014
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>>157826740
>are there any concrete numbers?
There aren't any concrete numbers that piracy hurts western media.
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I waste 900$ on plastic butt every month, so I think I've earned my right to pirate their shit.
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>>157837719
>Crunchyroll
>Source: CODA
>CODA was formed to counter content piracy

That's basically the same as the RIAA / MPAA whining about piracy stealing billions from their respective industries.
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>>157837719
not this bullshit again
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>>157837719
>>157837972
>>157838063
These sources are primarily inclined to confirmation bias, ones that shut out anything else except things that supports their claim.
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>>157828048
I do. It's nice having a collection, plus you support the studios directly. I obviously don't buy bds for every show, just the ones I love
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>>157838408
>plus you support the studios directly
No, you support anime production companies like Aniplex and PonyCanyon directly.
Your shitty favored anime slave studio doesn't get da moni.
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Talking about supporting the industry, I would be happy if there would be some Steam-like services where I could buy anime, and store it on my laptop. Like, they aren't doing it, because it's easy to pirate that way, but it's not like it's hard to do anyway.

And no, I don't really need any physical merchandise or overpriced BDs.
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>>157838189
>These sources are primarily inclined to confirmation bias
They're a lobby group. it's not a cognitive bias when your strait up paid to push a specific agenda.
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>>157826740
the best comparison i can make to piracy as a crime is trespassing, like getting to watch a live show without buying a ticket. The vast majority of people would simply ignore it if they couldn't get in for free. Rather, with less popularity the word about your show wouldn't spread as much and it's very likely that many paying customers would never bothered with it at all. It's literally impossible to know for sure how bad the impact of piracy is.
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>>157838485
Who the fuck do you think funds my favored anime slave studio retard? Most shows nowadays would never be made without production committees. If they see show x getting a ton of bd sales, they're more likely to fund another season, or another show by that studio. And when the studio gets work, it's employees get paid. As such, buying the bds give studios work, and therefore support them
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>>157838489
>I would be happy if there would be some Steam-like services where I could buy anime
Steam literally sells anime.
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>>157826740
Where's this from?
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>>157835248
I'm just wondering where the hell do these otaku even get the insane amounts of money to buy this garbage from?

Aren't most otaku just NEETs? Are they leeching off their parents? I mean, even by now, most of those parents should be pretty fucking sick of raising such a piece of shit child.
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>>157838621
Yeah, but isn't it streaming-only?
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>>157826790
>what is licensing revenue?
>what is ad revenue?
>how does any broadcasted tv show earn money?
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>>157838612
Your shitty favored anime slave studio still gets jobs no matter how shit the anime your shitty favorite slave studio sells, because the nip producers are just producing tons of anime so that they can sell those licenses to streaming companies in large quantities.
Not buying anime discs just means that the chances for the anime itself getting a continuation in animated form is lessened. But your shitty favored slave studio won't be hurt by not working on the sequel. The shitty slave studio will just work on another anime instead.
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>>157838761
Nah. The parents feel that it's their own fault for creating those kinds of losers. And they would lose face among their neighbors if their loser kids were being seen starving on the streets, so it's better to keep them at home or pay them their rent and give them pocket money to indulge them in their hobbies so that they stay out of sight and not bring shame to the family.
Muh honor is everything.
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>>157835248
Yeah, they digged their own grave, almost all the anime companies rely on a very small group of consumers, part of this group is also living with a very small income (NEETS), so now we have more companies and products than their consumers can afford. Problem is that in this market no company absorbs and grows upon the others, they all stay relatively small, feeding on crumps, slowly starving.
Shit, I feel so smart for writing this,
probably is bullshit tho


Also the fucktards keep ignoring the western markets, they basically just care about Japan and even there they only cater to a minority of the population. The faster modern anime studios die, the better it is, maybe they'll learn from their errors
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>>157838761
Well, yeah some of them are NEETS indeed, but others are working otakus, workaholics with nothing else in their lives apart from their hobby, this is why they spend everything on it.

Look at mobage and the ridiculous amount of money they make. Fate/GO is keeping Sony's music department alive. Why? Because people that spend almost their entire lives working won't have any problem spending all the money on the only shit they do in the small amount of free time
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>>157836667
There's bit of a problem. Anime industry hasn't boomed in the US since the early 2000s. The advent of the internet to the greater public has put anime into stagnation mode in the US.
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>>157838862
>so that they can sell those licenses to streaming companies in large quantities.
I'd be interested in hearing your source on that, assuming you didn't pull it straight out of your ass. Which I think you did.
Do you honestly think most of the money studios make are from licencing to streaming companies? Are you retarded? Most of the money is made licensing out characters to merch manufacturers. Whether it be bd rights, or character figure rights. Believe it or not, usually studios that produce flops get reduced funding. That reduced funding usually causes a decrease in quality. Vicious cycle
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>>157839358
Chink streaming services pay a large hefty sum. Enough to offset whatever pathetic remains of shitty anime disc buyers remain in nipponland itself.
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>>157839866
Which ones? What studios? What shows? How can you say that when the main indicator of a show's success right now is bd sales? The only show right now that I know is making money off a deal with a streaming company is LWA.
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>>157826740
It's actually helping, because people who wouldn't even know or care about anime get a taste for it and some of them may want more than just ones and zeroes through the internet.
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>>157840327
The one with the yellow squid teacher dude who wants everyone to kill him.
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>>157840518
Okay so two so far.
The other 95% of shows still operate under the traditional way of making profit; through merch sales
You're wrong, I rest my case
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>>157826740
Piracy literally launched anime into the mainstream worldwide. It would be virtually nonexistent outside of Japan if not for it.
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>>157840570
The one with the catgirl (male).
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>>157840570
or you could spend 2 minutes googling this shit instead of pulling numbers out of your ass.
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>>157836975

I mean it's really hard to defend the actual act but you're not wrong.

If we pretend piracy isn't an option Im more likely to just not watch whatever over priced DVD I see at the store and spend my money elsewhere.
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>>157826740

American anime fandom wouldn't exist except for piracy
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>>157840727
What that graph is telling me is that merch makes up the biggest single part of an anime studio's market, which I correctly asserted. It also shows that the market in internet distribution is 0.025% of the total, for 2014. There is growth there, but it is a tremendously small part of the market.
I never specified numbers since I didn't have them, but I believe my original valuation of the trends in the anime production market was correct. I based off of what I know about the industry and general trends I've observed.
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>>157830683
>all of the students cheat on their tests
>they get extra points for cheating
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Why do you quadruple fillipinoniggers living in Malaysia always use the 2015 chart instead of the 2016 one?
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>>157830683

I think it's called Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei
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