How was Studio Pierrot able to draw pic related for a weekly anime like Naruto, while Dragon Ball Super/One Piece by Toei is utter shit animation wise?
>>157814119
Honestly that fight was shit. I don't get why so many people enjoy it.
>>157814179
quality of the fight itself aside it had amazing animation for a weekly shonen
>>157814119
A lot of the more impressive fight scenes in Nardo was basically rotoscoped over great live action fight scenes, so that probably helped a lot.
That same technique can't really work with Dragonball because the characters all fly and shoot lasers and shit.
>>157814119
Because Toei can shit on a plat and still make money.
>>157814119
Tiger Mask W looks a lot better than Dragon Ball Super/One Piece sometimes.
Pierrot has pumped and grinded out a lot of great people over the years. They come back every once in a while.
>rotoscoped
>there's like no fucking inbetween frames to make the animation more cohesive so they slapped shaky cam to mask it
>OP fell for it
>>157814119
Dragon Ball and One Piece also gets the occasional well-made episode though they tend to be more conservative.
>>157814922
It's not rotoscoped, silly. I agree some of the cuts could have had better timing but it was a well-made fight nonetheless.
>>157814119
>>157814569
Because prior to that fight we had over 20 episodes of pure garbage and QUALITY.
>>157814119
In One Piece's case it's because the anime is constantly like 10 chapters behind the manga and Toei refuses to do filler.
>>157814569
It's better than the shit they put out weekly but the artstyle completely changed and there was simply no weight behind the attacks. It's like I was watching octo-dad the anime.
Just swing your arms as much as possible and flip around instead of actually fighting. It's like they took all of the bad parts of wire-fu and none of the good. I get that they were fighting with knives and brute force isn't quite something they can show but if that were the case then they should have emphasized the lethality of the fight like in Sword of the Stranger.
>>157815007
>it's not rotoscoped
>even though it clearly looks like it was
Just because the animator decided not to meticulously copy a video frame by frame doesn't mean it wasn't rotoscoped. Look at OP's post and say again that it wasn't rotoscoped.
And does it fucking matter if it was or wasn't rotoscoped? A good rotoscope is one that no one ever points out as a rotoscope because the animator actually gave a rat's ass amd only used the underlying video reference as a foundation from which to incorporate more dynamic and fluent animation rather than the actual animation.
>>157815228
It doesn't look rotoscoped at all though. The movement and timing doesn't have realistic qualities one would see in rotoscoped animation. It's just choreographed then animated regularly. A rotoscoped fight in Naruto would be in Naruto and Sasuke's final duel. The part where they were wearily trying to beat each other up near the end is rotoscoped and confirmed by the staff themselves. The motion there is deliberate and realistic.
>>157815219
Barely any animators know how to make an action scene with good weight behind it. It takes skill to be able to make fluent animation but it takes blood sweat and tears to be able to convey weight behind something like a punch or a swing.
You get Evangelion and a handful other mech shows, Sword of the Stranger and motherfucking Titan AE fisticuffs (which isn't even an anime first of all), and motherfucking christ almighty Inuyasha and that's fucking it. Ghibli movies included.
Pierrot is only good when they hire a fuckton of key animators for specific episodes.
They fucked up Korra S2 so bad that I quit watching that shit until years after it finished.
>>157815526
The episode OP is referring to only had 4 key animators, and only one of them was freelance.
>>157815465
>Inuyasha
When? As far as I know the animation is largely unremarkable and the few bits of good animation are showcases of effects animation first and foremost.
>>157815228
I agree with him, it doesn't look rotoscoped.
>>157815433
>the movement and timing doesn't have realistic qualities so that means it wasn't rotoscoped
What the fuck did I just get done explaining to you?
The very nature of rotoscoping is transfering motion from a video reference onto 2D animation. The end result of some rotoscopes having realistic animation is just a by-product; it isn't the standard by which all rotoscopes should be defined.
You're the generation that grew up on the understanding that a rotoscope is something that was copied from video to animation and has a realistic quality to the motion when really the rotoscope part is just the act of taking the video reference and transfering the motion onto animation.
Is this sufficient information? Are you able to understand now? If the internet had the capability of conveying information more slowly so people like you can understand better that would've been nice.
>>157815713
The good animation comes few and far between but Sunrise actually did a decent job conveying weight.
It only makes sense that they should, considering they're kind of known more for all the mech shit they do.
>>157814119
Naruto has some really well animated fights but the rest of the episodes are usually lazily put together. Almost every episode reuses scenes from the previous episode and there's a lot of reliance on flashbacks. Its really bad in part 1 and early shippuden.
The only arc that's really consistently well animated is the chikara arc and that's only 6 episodes.
It's impressive since they usually deliver on all the important fights but they sacrifice the quality of everything else. It might be better than other long running shows but that's not saying a lot.
>>157814179
Because it tried it's absolute best to save an otherwise terrible fight.
Have you seen the manga version to this? Kakashi defeat Obito with a single kick.
People don't realize Kishimoto was a hack in most of his fight scenes and the Studio Pierrot did a great job cleaning up the dog shit with a baggie of good animation.
>>157815973
Only americans would enjoy shaky cam fight scenes and then proceed to say that it was good animation
But I guess if the animators only did a minimal effort job and threw on shaky cam afterwards to hide what they didn't finish and people like you still liked it then I guess the animation did its job after all.
>>157815807
>>157815228
>>157814922
Yes. I'm sure Pierrot went out of their way to hire martial artists and professional wrestlers to perform huricanranas and gravity defying movement to use for rotoscoping. It's not like they have extremely talented and well known animators working on their fight scenes or anything.
>>157816070
You sound asshurt
>>157816070
I never said the fight scene was anything amazing. I only rewatched it once since the episode was out.
My point was it did justice to what would've been the shittiest fight scene in amazing.
Personally, I would say it on it's own is pretty subpar, considering how they had to de-power Obito and not have him use the full arsenal of his mokuton abilities, his S rank fire abilities, his fucking space time bullshit, and his Rinnegan abilities.
This honestly would've been done much better if this battle was legitimately a challenge for Kakashi,
>>157815807
That's some attitude you've got there buddy, but I don't need a smartass trying to explain what rotoscoping is. For all your expertise in the subject you somehow can misidentify the .gif in the OP as a product of rotoscoped. Tell me, what makes you think it is? And I hope you know there is a distinction between referencing and rotoscoping.
>>157816177
>this one part has the characters doing magic bullshit so that means the animation that came only a few seconds before or after it wasn't rotoscoped either
That's a lot of mental backflips anon
>>157816266
>people complain about Naruto power levels
>get a fight using hand to hand combat and minimal power level shit and people complain
Anyway, the scene before the fight establishes that they've been fighting for a while and that they're at their limit so that's why the fight is so toned down.
>>157815856
Most mecha anime don't depict realistic weight though, and that includes Sunrise anime. Only Gundam 0080 has some scenes with belieavble weight, the rest has more stylized motion.
>>157814119
>297x198
>_hq
>.gif
>zero shading
Am I supposed to be impressed
>>157816266
>This honestly would've been done much better if this battle was legitimately a challenge for Kakashi,
You're making it sound like as if Kakashi was weak. Him and his father was considered to be the most skilled shinobi in the village.
Plus like >>157816460 the entire point to this fight wasn't to go all out, but to tone it down so Obito could prove a point to Kakashi about his resolve.
>>157816330
So you're telling me that the only possible way something has to be rotoscoped is if the animator copied a video frame by frame right?
If you're unable to discern whether an animation was rotoscoped then your first thought is "well I guess that means it wasn't rotoscoped"?
You're this fixated on your rule when rotoscoping is literally just the act of transferring motion from a source onto another source? The animator can very well only trace a few frames to outline their key frames so that the frames in between can be more expressive and fluent in an animation perspective and you're going to say that it wasn't rotoscoped because the animator didn't trace every frame?
>>157816579
Shading is overrated and not using it means the lines have to be more precise as any mistakes will be clear to see.
Rotoscoping is just a means of an end, not meant to make people argue over whether an animation was or wasn't fucking rotoscoped you autistic idiots.
>>157814119
There are several studios or animation teams that get episodes assigned on a cyclical basis, usually somewhere between 8-12 or more teams active at any given time, and the episodes probably have to go into intitial planning a few months before the air date. On occassion special key animators that aren't in the normal rotation get to do episodes with prominent fights and those are usually the standouts in the series.
>>157814831
TIger Mask W is legit better than DBS
>>157816177
I only watch hyped up naruto eps, I think I missed this. Bredy gud
>>157816643
It's generally frame-by-frame as rotoscoping is a useful tool to capture realistic motion. You can apply it to limited animation as Aku no Hana has shown and even add embellishments to detail since roto is mainly about the movement.
The .gif in question is not roto'd. That portion of the fight was animated by an up and coming young animator, Naoki Kobayashi. I'm sure he studied many videos of martial arts to better draw the actions, but that's referencing. Also, the last time the show had rotoscope work, a CG studio was listed for motion capture assistance in the credits which of course the episode in question did not have.
>>157814119
Narushit is also shit-tier in animation and in everything else, delusional underage friend.
ITT: people who dont know shit about animation and anime production pretends they do.PS: OP's if was not rotoscoped
>>157814119
hypothetically speaking, how much money would I need to 1) completely buy One Piece from Toei (the show, distribution and licensing, films, etc.), 2) change One Piece to a SEASONAL anime, and 3) changeover to another studio (like Madhouse, Bones, etc.)
The issue is that One Piece ruined everything. Dragonball in the end wasn't even half as long as the One Piece anime was, even with all the filler and padding. So even though it was QUALITY a lot of the time, the moments weren't overbearing.
The issue with One Piece is that it's lasted too long. It became too ingrained in the cultural psyche, so that around the time it was going over the amount of episodes Dragonball had, Toei began to realize just how little effort they had to put into it. Awful filler arcs, wonky pacing, terrible animation. They realized that the Japanese really didn't give a shit and would just consume no matter what. So they stopped trying because as long as One Piece is running it's numbers will never drop. Even if Oda only does 2 chapters a month now it doesn't matter because they can spread a single chapter over a month or just start a filler arc.
Though One Piece isn't all to blame, since Naruto really put the idea into everyone's head because it had 2 YEARS of filler and that didn't damage the brand in Japan, just in America, but One Piece really cemented just how far you could push a brand and now Toei's animation studio is full of people who've been trained in that environment. None of the good animators want to work on One Piece or Dragonball because the budgets are so tight and the they've got no freedom to express themselves through the story. They go to stuff like Tiger Mask and Precure where they can have a bit more artistic freedom
>>157814119
You realize most people in the business are freelancers and just jump from studio to studio, right? Pretty much only Kyoanus has actual, regular people in the studio at all times though they out-hire a lot as well.
>>157818796
Both TV ratings and volume sales for One Piece have plummeted since Marineford. They're still consistently doing great compared to other anime and manga, but about half of what they were before.
>>157814119
Toei best animators do Precure. Rejected scraps do One Piece and DBS.
>>157819722
a lot of those guys don't even work for toei, they're sub-contracted viets and coreans
>>157817357
woah, naruto is great at having the best spin-off anime since railgun and cute girls (male)
>>157818796
Still better than the light that appears everytime they take their clothes off
somebody post the nardo fanfics pastebin. thats the only bearable way to take in narturo
I thought I wouldn't, but I caved and bought megahouse's hinata
I'll probably do it again if they do an adult or 12yo hinata too
end my life
at least she'll look good with hinagiku and kagura (who were both a lot cheaper) and my shit taste
When's the next chapter of Boruto?
>>157822947
do people on /a/ unironically watch boruto?
>>157823634
it's actually a pretty good cute girls/kids do cute things anime, just alienates a lot of potential audience being related to naruto and will is likely to eventually become a rushed retarded edge-fest
Sumire is probably the cutest girl this season too
>>157822947
first WSJ of the month, so should be this wednesday
>>157820078
Newborn,
All of the bad scenes on Toei's shonenshit are outsourced at Toei Philippines, made by flips. It's very expensive to produce 1000+ episodes per series, so they resort on a cheaper method. And the budgets for those anime are supported by Shueisha, Bandai, and Fuji TV, they only offer 100,000 ~ 150,000 per episode.
The good ones are made by nips from their main studios in Japan, like on their anime movies, or on Kado episode 5, the Wam origami sakuga. When it comes to Toei originals, the only part of Toei Philippines is digital coloring. And Precure sponsored by Mcdonalds annually.
There's a lot of veteran animators at Toei, they can do realistic movements without tracing/rotoscoping. And qt girls, introverted animators, like Hifumi on New Game!, there was a reference about them in Shirobako. These qts only work on girly stuff. These scenes are just one of their latest work. Those introvert qt girls are good. http://youtu.be/OL_cKZ5WgUQ
Budget matters.
http://youtu.be/cq8p0FD248c
>>157814179
It's good direction and visual storytelling. I haven't watched or read Naruto since very early Shippuden, and I still know exactly what's going on and the stakes from watching this one scene outside of context. I dislike Nurutu greatly, but you have to give credit where credit is due. The choreography is above average, but it's the flashbacks interspliced in the sequence that give this an emotional punch, and it's brilliant.
narutards love their nardo, /a/ favorite bullied boytoys
>>157815228
>A good rotoscope is one that no one ever points out as a rotoscope
>therefore I will point out that this is a rotoscope even though I have no proof and valid my point
Hilariously pathetic
One Piece has 0 budget because Toei knows it will sell on it's name alone anyway. They could totally invest into fluid animation but they simply refuse to do so.
>>157824111
>All of the bad scenes on Toei's shonenshit are outsourced at Toei Philippines
Up to 70% of all of Toei's animation (at the clean-up and in-between level, at least) is done at Toei Philippines.
Each episode of a show only has an allotment of up to 3,500 drawings. Other studios supposedly have an allotment of 5,000 drawings per episode, although I don't know how true that is.
Toei Philippines has been doing work for Toei Japan since 1986, when it started out as a cel & background paint studio. It started doing CU/IB work a few years later, then KA work around the 2000s. And in all those years, not one person has ever praised them for their work. It's always been "Oh, this looks bad, it must be the Filipino artist's fault" even though they've been doing animation work longer than most of you ignorant racists have been alive.
It hurts that, due to it's length, One Piece will never get a decent re-animation.
One Pace are doing the best they can but the source animation is still pure shit.
>>157824637
I've never watched one piece but is that an actual frame from the anime?! holy kek.
ITT: Nobody understands how animation works
>>157814179
It's my favourite fight purely because it's a break from the ridiculously overpowered shit that was going off at the time with tailed beasts chilling around and flashy orbs and shit being thrown at eachother. It was extremely nice to go back to a bog standard fist fight with a few basic jutsu. It was also nice to see a fight that wasn't twelve episodes of "if I do this move then he will do that move, which means I have to do this move instead!"
>>157816177
>this is what kids think looks "cool" now days
/a/ has changed
>>157825621
you just put more money in and better animation comes out, especially if you use animators from countries with greater costs of living
everyone knows this
Kishimoto hand-picked Pierrot and the director to handle Naruto because he's an animation/sakuga nerd, partially due to Akira. Oda is not as savvy in that regard, and Toriyama is from a different generation who couldn't care less.
>>157825805
Kishi only requested for Tetsuya Nishio to handle the anime character designs, that was the extent of his request.
>>157825805
>>157825837
Honestly, although they couldn't be sure how long it would last initially, I feel a lot of companies would feel confident resource-wise to pick up an adaptation of shounen battle manga for a high viewership time slot. Even now, it isn't uncommon for studios to invest in complete flops (see nekogami yaoyorozu)
Naruto was the son of the 4th hokage.
How cool is that?
memes
>try to make my little brother watch naruto
>he watched the first episode and then goes back to watching random shit on youtube
The new generation doesn't appreciate art
>>157828432
just naruto alone was 200 something eps., takes time to get into it. Not sure how it relates to the newer generation, but since it takes time, it doesn't give immediate "reward", so it's not worth it.
I'm not praising naruto though. I liked it, then they completely killed it for me with all the bullshit fillers and half-assed animation.
>>157828643
I remember myself being hyped about it when it aired for the first time. The least he could do was watch more than one episode. Seriously the first episode is good and so are the ones that follow.
>>157829134
For me, I don't remember how I felt, but the friend who told me to watch it kept saying that it'll be good and give it some time. It was the very first anime I watched, it was new for me, I liked it.
Now I have bittersweet memories of the whole show.
>>157824904
Those days were gone. Not racist, these are newbie Penoys or new generation of Filipino animators, they need experience. All of Toei Phil. episodes have QUALITY in it, watch Dragon Ball Super episode 5 not BD ver., they tried to make a key animation, but failed horribly.
These people are underpaid sweatshop workers than those japs who're also claiming that they're also underpaid. Newbie Koreans are much worse, watch QUALITY Code by A1 Pictures, corrupt A1 business men tried to sell these cheap anime to poor countries in SEA.
>>try to make my little brother watch naruto
>>he watched the first episode and then goes back to watching random shit on youtube
>The new generation doesn't appreciate art
>>157814119
Naruto is the superior shonen and the guys who work know it.
One Pice and Dragon Ball Super are utter shit so they know that putting effort is meaningless. You better believe it baby
>>157830416
Is this how autism works ?
underage narutards stop posting
samefagging
/a/ will bully
low budget toei, is more entertaining than nardo or blech can ever be
let it die retards
>>157831018
>underage narutards
Most underage fans of naruto are 18 now. Because it went on for more than a decade and a half
>>157819067
That's because there was a sudden spike in sales during Marineford since everyone knew the timeskip was coming and they wanted to catch up.
Weekly reminder that a 15 year old Obito fought on par with Minato.
>>157814119
How did Pierrot go from making classics to shit shounens?
>>157832860
and got Rekt and lost 9 tails.
>>157815193
The fuck you talking about? One Piece has plenty of filler, sometimes even within arcs.
The problem is Japan's entire TV airing deal is fucking absurd so they're forced to keep up, but Oda is forced to take a break every other week because the editors are afraid he'll work himself to death.
Then you and (you) >>157814119
got the fact Toei has like 5 weekly TV projects constantly going every year and all their other various projects that budget is stretched paper thin.
>>157833841
It should have never been close.
>>157814119
these episodes are 1 every 50, and rest is utter trash
>>157834086
He only managed to job Minato because of eyehax and even with that he got Rasengan'd, lost an arm, got stabbed and lost his bijuu which was the shit he was after for.
The guy got royally fucked IMO.
This is a better fight anyway
>>157834257
two drunk fucks fighting for the last pint in the pub.
>>157834257
Drunk fight and the beginning were awesome.
The power part was alright but i personally didn't like it all that DB shit.
>>157815893
Chikara was meant to be a movie, but it was utter trash so it scrapped and remade into filler arc.
>>157816629
Obito was baiting Kakashi, noway Kakashi can have a chance vs Obito at cqc at that point in the series.
>>157834257
I love that they played Need To Be Strong again
>>157834446
Didn't he need Kakashi to rin his heart to get rid of Madara's curse seal?
>>157818876
the reason is: pay is shit and work hours are literally killing you.
Studio Perriot recently had 1 of there animators die at work, from overworking.
>>157834257
I liked the fight until they started using bijou and susano. That just killed it for me in that instant.
I stopped watching Nando near the end of the Chunni exams, but even by that point there'd been some great fights. The end of the Zabuza arc had some great animation and the Rock Lee/Garry fight is still one of the best in the series.
>>157832860
He only fought on par with Minato for 10seconds, before he got destroyed so hard and so bad that he literally sepuka'ed his whole clan out of shame
>>157834493
exactly what im saying, he was baiting Kakashi and it worked.
>>157834593
in manga they literally went into there forms immediately, honestly if you look at it logically there is no reason form to fight cqc, they are just wasting there energy, might as well go all out immediately.
>>157816177
why didn't nardo stick with this simple shit. Ninjas fighting other ninjas not stupid world ending magic gods carving mountains
>>157834573
Mizuno has dared dying? Toei should sue him for having the audacity to sleep eternally while working and then force his relatives to pay for his breach of contract.
>>157834846
Because there always has to be a Greater Threat. The pacing/escalation gets out of control, so the power levels get more and more retarded.Soul Eater is about the only series I can think of off the top of my head that didn't fall prey to power levels, forbidden techniques and asspulls for the most part. Not to say it didn't happen, but it was generally smarter about it.
>>157834828
I didn't read the manga and sure, logically it might be better to do that, but I generally liked naruto better when neither the bijous nor susano had major roles in the fights, and it was nice to see a hand-to-hand fight again.
Once they activated them, I was less interested in the outcome..
even when its bad its good
>>157835231
nice quality.
This was probably the best scene after the pain fight
>>157835231
I've been searching for the song that play during this scene. Pretty chill. Most likely unreleased though. Do you happen to know it?
>>157835231
He got to be the big bad for like 5 minutes until Kaguya came out. God Madara was fucking awesome.
I don't even get the point of weekly anime, if they wasted their budget on a yearly 2 cour anime, they would have episodes with much better animation and more people would watch it
>>157834846
the 1st hint the powerscaling was gonna go to shit was Killer Bee, being capable of transforming into a full Bijuu was retarded
>>157835423
>I don't even get the point of weekly anime, if they wasted their budget on a yearly 2 cour anime, they would have episodes with much better animation and more people would watch it
The point is to make young kids aware that there's some manga and merchandise of that stuff they're watching that their parents should buy for them.
You know, like every other kind of mainstream anime.
>>157835231
I've only rewatched this episode and the two episodes of diedara vs sasuke.
Those are the scenes I liked the most
>>157835309
sadly dont
>>157835521
Avatar only aired 20 episodes a year for 3 years and it was huge, I don't see how airing 25 episodes a year for 15 years would give that much less in return
>>157835728
Attack on Titan's had, what, 40 episodes total (including OVAs) over 4 years? And it's never been more popular.
>>157835592
Would be really cool to have that.
>>157835799
there's really no excuse for what Pierrot and Toei did, imagine if the biggest tv series in America were the ones witht the worst special effects
>>157825580
It's from a filler but that doesn't excuse Toei's quality. They haven't tried with One Piece since Sabody pre-timeskip. Probably the worst animated popular series in Japan.
DBS has 'quality' too although in the recent arc they have been stepping up with the animation.
>>157835799
Isn't BNHA bigger than Attack on Titan because they waited 4 years to release the second season
>>157836372
I wouldn't say so. I don't see nearly as many people wandering around with BNHA stuff as I do AOT shirts, bags, patches and shit.
>>157836463
what about sales and views of the anime?
>>157816177
When was the last time a fucking normal ninja weapon ever did ANYTHING in this fucking show?
>>157836526
I'm just going by the number of people I see talk about it, the merch I see, the number of casual fans I see discussing it. BNHA may be more popular amongst core fans in the West, but I see more people getting excited over new AOT chapters and eps.
>>157836355
I remember not watching naruto in that fucking long filler streak (what was that, a whole year?), but out of curiosity I peeked into one of the episodes and I both laughed and felt sorry. I laughed at the quality of the animation and the story of the filler, but I really felt bad for the animators, for having to go through that.
But seriously. How come that Naruto fillers were almost always random, and not even interesting. (except maybe for the itachi fillers).
Bleach had a bunch of fillers, but I think that aside from the bounto-arc (which was absolute ass) and the amagai shuske arc (that was meh) all the other were actually good.
>>157837124
Shouton and Kaguya's fillers were awesome IMO.
>>157837310
ah ya, forgot to mention that I didn't really catch up with naruto, the last episodes I saw was when everyone in the tree's genjutsu. And some major scenes, like the last fight.
>>157837591
Here's some in shitty quality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9w1KjP9p8U
>>157835365
He got to be big bad for like 50episodes, first he owned this whole division, then he owned All Kages, Then he owned Naruto/Kakashi/Guy, Then he owned another Division, then He owned Naruto/Sasuke/Guy/Ressurected Kages/Everyone else.
Wouldnt call that 5mins
>>157837800
I just peeked into it, the animation itself at first glance doesn't seem that bad, but (I could be wrong here) it seems like that this villain, like pretty much all villains in naruto, turning out to be good? Like they had perfectly valid and "acceptable" reasons for their actions, and they never really were bad to begin with. They weren't evil initially, by definition.
>>157838252
No, she was just some alien who sacrificed people for the tree. Then after she got sealed by her sons she "created" Zetsu who've been planning her comeback for a millenia.
She's still alive btw.
>>157838252
she was evil per se, her tree was draining chakra and killing around itself everyone. She literally didnt give a fuck about anybody. She wanted to make zombie armor to fight other Otsuksuki who were going to come to earth later. She literally thinks of humans of nothing more than cattle.
>>157838381
>>157838387
That sounds better, I might actually watch it. Thanks guyz
>>157835365
Madara has that pasta too. Kaguya has nothing like that.
>>157838467
There's also Hagoromo/Hamura and Ashura/Indra fillers which explains a lot of shit.
>>157838543
Yeah I really abandoned naruto as it is. I remember being hyped for eight gate Guy, which also had a bunch of fillers before it. Then a bunch of fillers came and I lost both track and interest. I might revisit though.
>>157838700
I dropped during fillers as well. But some are actually interesting like the ones i mentioned.
There's one where what if Nardo parents were alivenot RTNwere comfy as well.
Toei doesn't care.
>>157838975
That's one of the reasons I like to watch a show with either a big headstart (like it already has more than hundred eps), or when it's completely finished. I don't have to wait for newer episodes, and I can easily skip fillers. Only problem is that it's easy to run into spoilers though.
>>157839157
Well i read the manga so i didn't really cared,
>>157814119
sp was just as bad as toei at times
>>157814119
What is rotoscoping and ripping fight correography?
>>157814119
rotoscoped footage of old 1970s-80s films.
swing arms with zero real fight movesets.
convert characters in blobs for fluid animation
>>157839213
Kishimoto's drawings didn't really make manga interesting for me, only when I started watching bleach and reading its manga, that was when I realized both the different between the two, and it made me check out the manga of already ongoing series.
>>157839416
Didn't had any problems.
Now with Ikemoto on Boruto he's comitting a few sins.
I stopped reading the Manga at the start of the ninja war but the Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 story mode filled in most of the blanks. So the tree trapped everyone and stole their chakra to be able to project tsukuyomi on the moon and it turns out that Kaguya was moon and Madara revived her?
>>157814119
They hired a good animator for that particular episode, and the episode director was actually able to show off a bunch of his ideas and talent. Toei nowadays follows a low cost max profit agenda.
>>157839416
Kishi is pretty good but he's wasted on shonen. Naruto was basically "how edgy can I make a shonen series"?
>>157839501
No, Hagoromo created the moon so he could seal Kaguya there and Hamura went there to keep looking her.
She got "revived because Madara had the Rinnegan and tailed beasts so Zetsu just needed to activate.
>>157814179
>that one kid
>>157815219
Shut the fuck up, autist.
>>157816177
This looks breddy awesome desu
>>157835231
Madara was the fucking best, such a fun character
>>157814119
I'm sure its all a lot easier when the art looks like a middle schooler drew it and there is zero fucking shading.
One Piece is its own bag of bullshit. Its awful because they only do one chapter per episode, so everything is stretched out with pans and zooms. Toei is actually decent sometimes, like whenever they do a movie or anything related to PreCure. Aside from that they just halfass everything.
>>157814119
The majority of episodes are varying degrees of budget-saving low quality episodes. Even the good fights are padded out with filler garbage (I'm thinking specifically of the last fight with the marionette guy, where they had god knows how many pointless episodes of Naruto chasing someone in a valley and Rock Lee & Co. fighting clones).
Kishimoto created sasuke. The stereotype for all popular edgy characters to come
>>157835423
>the 1st hint the powerscaling was gonna go to shit was Killer Bee
The first hint was Gaara
>>157832860
Wasn't that armor thing basically doing most of the work?