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>People bully this.

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>People bully this.
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>>157733818
People, especially children, are very cruel.
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Japanese would bully anything if given the chance.
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Yeah, for me atleast that is the biggest point of annoyance in the movie, literally nobody is gonna bully some cute girl no matter how deaf she is.
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>>157734268
You underestimate children.
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>>157734268
The Japanese bully people via a Senpai Kouhai system merely for being younger than them.

You know they'd just jump at a chance to make life hell for someone giving them more work.

"What? We have to HELP her?"
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>>157734397
But what about USA? I don't think they have seniority system implemented, yet the bullying still exist. And unlike asian who love their highschool life, murrican people tend to hate their highschool life. What happened?
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>>157734268
>literally nobody is gonna bully some cute girl
Nigga please, they'll bully her BECAUSE she's cute.
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>>157734597
Japanese work is even worse
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>>157734597
USA it's more based on general vindictiveness than someone being a burden.

Japan has the added stigma of the burden as well as vindictiveness.

Growing up disabled in the UK I can't say it was much better through the 90's.

TL; DR oh yes, people are cunts.
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She was sexy af, can't understand why nobody stood up for her...

Uono was a bitch, deaf girl (mishigana?) was best girl.
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>>157733818
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>>157734619
I'd playfully bully her because I like her and would not allow anyone else to bully her.
>>157734897
>She was sexy af, can'
t understand why nobody stood up for her...
Only the bold stand out. Suffice to say, most people are not bold.
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>>157734268
Japanese school children aim to excel at everything, bullying included
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>>157733818
What she gonna do? Scream for help?
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>>157735093
No because she internalizes everything and only blames herself.
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>>157735031
I don't get why you posted this but thank you.
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Why is the current trend among animators to slap chromatic aberration onto literally everything possible? It looks fucking stupid and it undermines the work the line artists did.

I can understand that it can be appealing in certain scenes but it's becoming prevalent in literally everything.
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Bullies aren't people.
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>>157734268
Cultural differences, in japan, being a cute girl actually increases your chances of getting bullied (by other girls, mostly)
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>>157735093
She is very understanding person and cares for the people around her.
>In before she is selfish for going normal school.
Maybe. But I can understand her.
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>>157735159
Me neither, but i'm glad you liked it.
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>>157735191
It's trendy in 3D video games too. It just looks like shit.
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>>157733818
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>>157734268
Hahaha.
Children have no concept of 'cuteness'
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>>157734597
>yet the bullying still exist
I'm a loser and I've never been bullied. People just ignored me.
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>>157734268
Children are literally evil.
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>>157735579
>>157733818
I want them to be happy.
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As someone who worked with deaf mute people. In my experience that they are like the biggest assholes out there.
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>>157737164
"Deaf culture" is retarded. Many of them deny hearing aids to their children they passed their deafness to.
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>>157734397
The Japanese system is actually really good. You have to sit through bullying until you're old enough, then you get to bully everyone else.

It's a very fair system because everybody gets to experience both stages, and the delayed gratification builds character.
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>>157735579
This photo always makes me so sad, I just want to give Yamada-sensei a hug.
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How many threads of this shitty movie do we need? kyoani fags are cancer
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>>157738016
Anon, that's the cycle of abuse, and makes me sad.

I'm not sure Adachi felt the same way.
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>>157733854
Why would you rape someone with no sense of how loud she is? Have you ever heard a deaf girl get fucked? It's deafening
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>>157737529
Deaf culture is fucking horrible and it seems to be a thing mostly exclusive to American and British culture.

No idea why. You don't see deaf people in other countries try to fight back against technology that helps them hear and have better lives.
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i love it
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>>157734268
You sound out of touch, my man. Kids are some evil motherfuckers
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>>157739473
Children are innocent and can't distinguish between right and wrong or good and bad.
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>>157739518
Depends on how young we're talking but starting at 6-7, they do make the distinction.
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>>157736270
animals are cute. at least when they don't decide to torture them.
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>>157733818
I want to call her deaf cunt in public so bad
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>>157740130
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Shouko should just get an alpha boyfriend.
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I guess the middle/high school system promotes bullying. If something goes wrong it doesn't matter since you'll switch schools within 3 years time anyway. Bully a disabled child in Germany and you won't only have the teachers lynch you but also the entire school, especially since you're basically stuck with the same classmates for 7 years. I think nowadays it's even 8. Doing something like that is way too risky.
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>>157740350
She keeps trying but Ishida is too dense to notice her.
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>>157738161
>he can't recognize falseflag threads in 2017
OP is the same faggot who was trying to rationalize Ueno's behaviour in the previous thread.
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>>157734268
Nah, kids will be shitty about anything. Kids will bully you if one of your parents dies, if your name is weird, if you're adopted, or if you're poor.

I remember in kindergarden one kid put the toys we were supposed to clean up under my desk purely because he wanted to see me get in trouble because I'd never been in trouble before. He actually told me that was his reason for doing it.
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>>157740484
Will he intimidate anyone who looks at her funny?
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>>157738928
That doujin is canon and nobody can convince me otherwise.
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>>157735579
Whats the story behind this? She lost an award for directing?
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>>157740493
You are wrong. I feel nothing but utter disgust for Ueno.
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>>157735579
She looks like the Waitress from Always Sunny
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>>157734897
Don't sexualise Shouko, unlike you anon, she's pure
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>>157733818
she manned up after ishida almost killed himself tho
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>>157739364
I guess we answered the question of why people bully. Deaf people don't see themselves as having a disability so they don't want you to try and fucking cure them. Go fuck off. You've probably met as many deaf people as the author of KnK has. That number being 0.
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>>157733818
I want to bully her butthole with my tongue.
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>>157739364
t. Hearing person who has never met a deaf person.
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>>157738903

>Meanwhile in the west bullying victims pic a gun and kill their schoolmates or commit sudoku
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>>157743506
and that shit works. Going to high school in the 90s was hell compared to the early 2000s. Once all the bullies realize you could snap and join the trenchcoat mafia, they stopped picking on you as much
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>>157734268
Well you clearly underestimate the cruelty and warped logic/rationale of children and adolescents then.

That goes double for girl on girl bullying.
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>>157739518
Which makes it very likely to do fucked up shit. If a kid murders a baby bird, it's still evil whether it was intentional or not. Kids are really messed up.
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>>157738928
>mfw tried to translate the other NTR doujin
>like two pages in and Shouko starts her retard talk
I just can't overcome it
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>>157743752
>That goes double for girl on girl bullying
Can you elaborate?
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>>157734268
It's Japan we talking about, son. They would bully for whatever reason they feel like.
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>>157743898
Of course. Innocent doesn't necessarily equal good.
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>>157744041
>NTR
>retard talk
Kill yourself, please.
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>>157744141
I'm the dude you replied to.

When a boy bullies another boy or girl, the majority of these incidents just revolve around obligatory name calling, or just plain violence. Typically though a boy bullying another person just does it because it makes them feel tough, or cool; or perhaps as a means of acting out.

Girls bullying another boy or girl is something entirely different beast. Aside from a girl bully being capable of being violent towards their victim, their most effective methods is how a girl bully can wound someone's psyche. Unlike guys how just bully for the Shits and giggles, or as some sort of power-play; girls will bully someone because they want to break them. Any girl bully know exactly what she's doing when she's targeting her victim, and they typically know how to tear someone down.
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>>157744303
Daisubu
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>>157742310
>after ishida almost killed himself
nigga what?
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>>157742808
>Deaf people don't see themselves as having a disability so they don't want you to try and fucking cure them.
They're exactly wrong, tho. I know we're in the age where denying reality in place of what you'd prefer is all the rage, but claiming that being deaf is not a disability is the point where you've gone insane.
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>>157744851
>I know we're in the age where denying reality in place of what you'd prefer is all the rage, but claiming that being deaf is not a disability is the point where you've gone insane.
There's literal dead supremacist organization.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-531170/Creating-deaf-child-IS-immoral-parent-allowed-choose-child.html
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>>157744851
Yeah man i honestly hate the living fuck out of people who think stupid shit like "not disabled, just different" like honestly man you're fucking deaf, that is a motherfucking disability.
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>>157745000
Holy fuck that's infuriating.
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am I the only one who found KnK extremely stereotyped?
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>>157734268
hahahaHAAHAHAHAHAAHA
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>>157745144
http://www.dailywire.com/news/15906/video-deaf-baby-hearing-first-time-will-make-you-amanda-prestigiacomo

Leftists are crazy.
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>>157745158
In what way?
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>>157738981
its ok, im deaf too.
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>>157734268
I'd still bully her at my age with my dick.
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>>157745227
with the exception of ishida, the others are rather simplistic and one-sided. ueno is a bitch, the teacher an asshole, the father an asshole, shoko the cute and poor girl. you know, they're easy to define. i think a story like that would require more human characters, but they are more devices than humans.
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>>157745432
For the Shoko part i truly do agree, her character is just way too cliche or whatever. But for the others i kinda felt that they were quite lot more human, with all their flaws, than what is common in other shows.
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People need to accept there is no easy or surefire solution to bullying. Especially Westerners who think their "solutions" will make things better in Japan rather than potentially worse.

Even here, we've got the "just fight back" camp who kicks reality to the curb and the "zero tolerance" bullshit that often just neuters the bullied because some of the bullies don't give a shit.
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>>157745432
They're easy to define if you ignore the actual characters aside from their superficial appearance
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People here are saying Shoko was bullied because he was cute. Is that right? Japan loves girls like that. Look at the AKB48, for example. So I think Shoko was bullied because she needed help all the time for being deaf, even though she tried to pretend she didn't.
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>>157745158
The reconciliation thing is annoying, because Japs think it's great to become friends with every piece of shit you meet.
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>>157745554
i don't know, ueno maybe, but it's undeniable that she was 99% the time more a bitch than a real person, at least in the manga. as for the teacher and the father, i honestly can not see more nuance.
>>157745663
what does the character of the teacher have to offer besides his superficial appearance?
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>>157745869
>father
Wait who? You mean Shouko's father? If so yeah getting him out of the picture was quite lazily done. Like who the fuck abandons his wife for giving birth to a deaf child :DD
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A story about bullying in which the victim is the one to blame.

Shit, even when Japan tries to do something positive, it fails.
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>>157745694
More like she was bullied because she was different.
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>>157746123
Different for being deaf?
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>>157746236
Odd one out.
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>>157734597
If you get bullied in the US, you probably deserved it.
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>>157746236
Yes, kids will pick on others for the most trivial of reasons. Being deaf is a pretty big one.
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>>157746058
Dude, not always, but often the one getting bullied could, by his or her actions avoid getting bullied. Now i'm not saying that even if they could have avoided it that it was justified or anything. I was bullied in primary school and i can totally say that i could have by my own action avoided it.
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>>157734268
My classmates used to bully this cute girl only because she used glasses, yep, that stupid was the reason, she was my friend but at the end I bullied her too cause otherwise they would have bullied me, she changed of schools due to the bully, I wonder what is she doing now, at least I avoided getting bullied.
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>>157746520
In the same way a woman can avoid being raped if she does not attend parties or wear short clothing. In the same way a fat kid can avoid jokes if he loses weight. I mean, I understand your point but ,again, this is to put the blame on those who have no guilt.
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>>157745000
While your source is of interesting repute, I don't doubt these people exist and that there are too many of them, but it's dangerous to think of that as being the norm for deaf people. Just like the majority of parents aren't anti-vaxxers (though there are far too many of those too), it's unlikely they represent the majority of deaf people. In fact, I expect many of them would be surprised to learn that they were part of one big community all along.

>>157745221
Nah, this is just a symptom of the twisted relationship with identity you often see people have in the anglosphere, where they perceive themselves as being defined by their identity rather than the other way around and that identity must therefore by protected at all costs, reality and pragmatism be damned. You see this everywhere in the political spectrum.
For that same reason, I don't expect this to be a thing in Japan. There they basically have the opposite problem, so few people would reject an opportunity to be closer to normal.
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>>157746891
Yeah deciding when it is ok to blame the victim is always very hard yes, but defaulting to it never being fine to blame the victim is not okay imo.

>In the same way a fat kid can avoid jokes if he loses weight
I would totally give this advice to a fat person but i'm just mean like that :D
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>>157733818
You have obviously never tried bullying a deaf person. It's fun as fuck
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>>157747249
Ueno pls go
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>>157747999
I should make some sometime, especially of Shouko.
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>>157748125
I love how she goes through so many emotions.
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>>157748125
dat pouting
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>>157745432
Actually, I thought it did pretty well in this regard. Maybe not equally for all characters, but certainly not to the extent that everyone but Ishida is a one-note plot device.

>>157746058
Way to miss the point. Nishimiya being to blame for getting bullied may be Ueno's stance, but it's not the conclusion the story expects you to make. Yes, she's not portrayed as being completely innocent regarding the situation at hand, but that situation is not so simple that it can be described as merely "her being bullied and herself being to blame for it".
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>>157734268

Psychopathy is a condition you grow out of.
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>>157748125

Forced animation.
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>>157748273
You can really tell what she's thinking without even saying it.
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>>157734268
Yeah, they would bullying girls in wheelchairs instead.
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>>157748745
wtf does that even mean?
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>>157748125
That scene was so good. Shouko best girl.
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>>157748993
Damn that's some extreme bullying right there.
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>>157748615
Nishimiya takes punches and offenses from Ueno and does not move away from her or accuse her and why? Because she agrees with her point. The story does not explicitly say that the victim must take responsibility, but considering all these events, it is undeniable that this is implied.
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>>157749042
>falling for the "innocent, vulnerable deaf girl" act

You disgust me.
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>>157749182
gtfo Ueno.
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best tsundere right there
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ueno might be a bitch but she is not completely evil
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Is it wrong to fall in love with Yuzuru? She's a total bro.
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>>157749755
I see nothing wrong with it, anon. She is some top cuteness.
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>>157749250
Did I miss something? How is Yuzuru tsundere? She isn't even interested in any romantic relationship as far as I can tell.
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>>157749755
>>157750015

Is tere a webm of Yuzuru telling Ishida in sign language that she is her imotou?
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>>157749161
There's truth in Ueno's words, but that's not the same as being right. You're also failing to consider Nishimiya's personality. Again, you're seeing things too simply.
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>>157750803
Thanks! I love that scene.
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why was shoko so ready to forgive ishida when the reunited?
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>>157734268
i bullied a girl back in primary school. she had literally done nothing wrong.


i still feel bad about it. i don't even remember her name.
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>>157751254
He gave back the noteback she had in elementary school and he learned sign language.
I'd say that's more than enough to know he's trying earnestly.
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someone explain why kawai never got what was coming to her
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>>157749161
>Nishimiya takes punches and offenses from Ueno and does not move away from her or accuse her and why? Because she agrees with her point.
Both are wrong here. Honestly though, the "failure to communicate" thing has bothered me since the one-shot. I mean yeah, I suppose everyone is at fault in some way but even so, not all fault is equal. That's a deceit so there can be a happy ending.

To be doubly honest, that's the problem with Onani Master Kurosawa too. People say it's great coming of age, maybe, but only Kurosawa made the effort to grow by taking responsibility and actively trying to be a good person. Hell, even when he was an edgy loner, he at least was disgusted by the bullying. It doesn't excuse his actions, but it's something compared to the nothing or malice of those around him. He has to convince the bullied girl to go to the party or it'll be a total downer.
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>>157751365
why would she want that dirty notebook back
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>>157750709
well in a sense she is cold and then warms up to the MC even helping him get together with her sister
if that qualifies enough as tsundere
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>>157733818
>>157731729
>>157746962
>>157747355
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CHEX
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>>157751633
shaftfag please go
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>>157749027
Its the common response of an anon who hates kyoani for whatever reason but because they are perfect he can only make baseless accusations to try to lower their standing.
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>>157751587
nigga you just a pedo
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>>157751467
>I suppose everyone is at fault in some way
I really don't see how to blame Nishimiya. She never hurt anyone, never forced anyone to anything. She still used a notebook to facilitate communication.

If the problem is she being deaf in a non-deaf school, the teacher could simply say that he does not have the structure to give her a fair education support. If her mother did not accept, it would still not be her fault, but her mother's.

In any case, there is no justification for the mistreatment she suffered.
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>>157751537
Its not the notebook itself, its what the notebook stands for.
He took away her will and means for communication and tries to return her "Voice" ,so to speak, back to her.

By giving it back he acknowledges its importance and she understands that HE actually understands how important it was for her back then.

Come on anon, read between the lines..
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>>157751019
>You're also failing to consider Nishimiya's personality.
Nishimiya is weak, she is insecure, something totally normal considering everything she has gone through. But she's far from hurting anyone. That is the point. She does not deserve to be blamed for anything. She did not do anything wrong. She is not using her weakness to harm people, she is hiding her weakness to avoid bothering people.

Then Ueno says she's a fake and hits her and ...well, she becomes Ueno's friend, like "yeah, you're right, thanks Ue-chan, let's hang out!".
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>>157751537
It is symbolic, if nothing else.
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>>157751914
I meant that if you try hard enough, you can argue everyone was doing something wrong. You could insist she should or shouldn't have been this or she should or shouldn't have done that. But even if that were the case, no way in hell is it equal and it doesn't justify shit. That's a warped sense of culpability.
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>>157743449
He's right, Deaf people with a big D are some of the biggest cunts I've ever met

t. deaf guy
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>>157733818
>People bully this.
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>>157742808
If they don't want to cure themselves that's fine. It's fucking retarded, but it's fine. When they prevent their children from seeking treatment for their own deafness that's a different story all together.
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>>157754481
No. Pedro just doesn't give a shit. Call him a nigger or a subhuman as much as you want but it just rolls off Pedro's back. He's got a loving wife and a cute daughter. He's achieved a lot more than the average anon.
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how tall is sahara and is she lesbian
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>>157746322
Getting shot in school you mean?
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>>157733818
for fun tho
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>>157751160
ikr. yuzuru best reverse trap.
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>>157734268
its why the movie was so good, the boy got handsy and took her stuff and hurt her and that was rough, but ueno and kawai's bullying was so realistic and subversive my stomach dropped out. those little comments and changing the classroom mood with innocuous statements, thats middle school, right there.
kawai especially
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