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Did the chartanon die or give up? Haven't seen a thread

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Did the chartanon die or give up? Haven't seen a thread in a few days and we were almost done.
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>>157712422
he's the S100 D100 anon after all
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>>157712473
Unfortunately accurate

At least we got farther than /his/
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>>157712422
which azai is it? kyousuke or kyouhei?
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>>157712422
I still think Kyubey should go in that blank spot at S100 D85
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>>157712752
I still think Kyubey didn't suffer that much

nor did he deserve it
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>>157712422
I brought this up before but why is Fuminori from Saya no Uta lower in suffering than Kouji? And it's a difference of 55 to 70 too, which is huge.
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>>157712752
Kyubei deserves no more 50, and it's extremely hard to properly say how much he actually suffered.
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I saw someone mention this in another thread but never asked. Yuuko on the top left. Her entire existence was suffering but what in the source was different? I heard the anime actually managed to tone things down a bit but I don't know what. I honestly would put her up at her spot regardless of how the VN turned out. Fuck I'm still shaken from that.
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>Kyosuke not at S0, D100
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>>157712422
>Spike
>suffering: 50
>how much they deserved it: 60
but he didn't do anything wrong
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>>157712422
>Did the chartanon die
Damn I hope so. He should be in his shitty chart himself
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>>157713513
He is (100,100)
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>>157713461
He was fool and obsessed over something he knew he couldn't get or take back. While he didn't "deserve" it, it was a consequence of not giving up on it.
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Do 4chan boards next chartfag. On /qa/ or something.
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>>157713461
He could have said "fuck it," taken the second chance life so generously handed him, and live a happy life with his fat friend and space waifu.
But no, he couldn't get over it, and he couldn't give up on waifu #1 even after she died, he deserved every bit of it.
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>>157712422
The self sacrifice element is absolutely retarded. You have Osamu Mikumo halfways because of it, yet Guts, Killy and the Fire Punch guy also should be at the right then, because it was their choices that made them go through hell. They could always have gone far away and ignore their goals, and you can say the same about any character. This chart is an absolute piece of smelly shit. Also how did the fag from Hatsuko no Maria went from being on the left to a seventy on the right?
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>>157712752
He didn't suffer that much, tho
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I think Zenigata fits in one of the blank squares. 80 S/50 D would probably be the best choice
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>>157713461
He was kinda of a jerk mary sue.
Fuck him.
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>>157713715
I think most of the suffering argument revolves around his state at the end of Rebellion, although it isn't elaborated on much. And his Deserves value can literally be almost anything which is why even though I love Madoka I don't think it would be a good idea to have him on here.
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>mfw /tv/ finished it first than /a/ and /his/ and we didn't even suspect it
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>>157714142
>Mr. Rogers
>5 Deserved
On what planet
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>>157714142
>Shin Godzilla
>deserving any of it
Dude was just in a permanent state of confusion from the second he transformed
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>>157714142
Who's S:100. D:100 on there?
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>>157712422
>some remembered desert punk
Nice.
Also, Kanta in the perfect spot, he was a massive cunt to everyone.
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>>157712422
>all those servants
>still no medea
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>>157714142
>caring about what /tv/, /co/ or any other normalfag board think
Kill thyself.
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>>157714142
Has /v/ made an attempt yet?
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>>157714534
It's in progress from what I saw. Slow progress.
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>>157714142
Is that fucking JAWS on S40D50?
How did the bloodthirsty prehistoric shark suffer?
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>>157712422
Shitty chart made by people that does not event watch anime.
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>>157713715
I mean, he's getting mindraped by all of Earth's suffering constantly, and he couldn't even perceive such suffering until Homura forced him to acknowledge it. And it is indeed hurting him -- he's seen stumbling around and he looks afraid, and his fur is disheveled. I'm trying to think of something worse than being forced to feel an entirely alien sense of pain, and then also having that pain be turned up to infinity at the exact same time, forever. Shit sucks.
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>>157714621
stabbed and exploded
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>>157712422
I was going to create a thread in 20 mins
Should we use this one or create another?
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>>157714988
Kill yourself.
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>>157714988
use this one
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>>157715025
I'd love to but I can do that later
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>>157714988
Fine by me
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>>157714988
This one is fine, I guess.
Let's not do things we don't need to.
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>>157714988
May as well use this one until it dies.

Also: to avoid the shitstorm that happened last time, declare all Madoka positions LOCKED, or remove them entirely.
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>>157715061
Seconding for lock, madoka should be represented.
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>>157715061
Yep, at least until all the slots are filled in.
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>>157715138
Third for lock. Removing was only being advocated by retards.
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>>157715034
Hey chartanon, arrow anon here. I propose you move Kohaku down a notch (she was just raped when she was a kid, compare it to the stuff Sakura had to go through).

I am also supporting the motion of locking Madoka characters, and if possible, locking all the characters at the border of the chart. (i.e.: all those with S: 0, S:100, D: 0 and D: 100).
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Last threads: >>157544847
>>157461101
>>157583660

Let's focus on filling the 3 spots we have left
No removing characters until we complete the chart, the only one we might remove is Bernkastel since we had complaints about her since the first thread.

As >>157715061 said, let's not discuss Homura/Kyouko position, the only one we should discuss about right now is Sayaka since that's what we were doing last thread. before the homura thing
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>>157712422
Skull Knight

S: 95
D: 60

(above Lord Genome)

He's suffered almost as much as Guts has, if not more. And he was also a vicious conqueror so he deserves a lot of his pain. Also he fucked everything up in the Kushan arc.
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>>157715255
That's an old chart my arrowbro, she's already there in the new one
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>>157715278
Before we do ANYTHING, replace S100/D100 spot with pic related
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>>157715322
haha kill me.
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>>157715356
Or take out "No picture available" and edit it in
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>>157715307
Anyone against this suggestion?

>>157715356
He deserved more than that
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>>157715409
Anyone against this?
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>>157714142
Yeah /tv/ did a great job, but /his/ is not that fast they should complete it in 3-4 threads
/v/ started theirs too
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>>157715586
Who is the 100/100 slot?
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>>157715673
Carthage
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>>157715673
That's Carthage
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>>157712422
Is that Etheldreda?
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>>157715278
Why is Killy's suffering so high, again? Is he even programmed to feel suffering?
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And this is /v/'s.
I'm applying these changes >>157715307
>>157715409
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>>157715787
I like how we have Nep and they have Noire
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>>157715787
>Gwyn, Lord of Sunlight not on the 100 S, 0 D space
shit list
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>>157715787
I like them putting the G-Man where he is.
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>>157715787
I don't really like how the entire top row is already filled up. Still pretty interesting regardless.
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>>157715781
Near Akabara and The Intention of the Abyss? Yes
>>157715783
That's a good question, for a human his fate would be certainly a S100 but if we had to consider the character's understanding of suffering for the S part, wouldn't it be too subjective to even measure?
I don't know if I made it clear
>>157715861
They had nepgear too, but removed her
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>>157715278
What are we going to name the different quadrants/sectors of the chart? I vaguely remember the /co/ chart having labels on various regions
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>>157715787
Where's Gordan Freeman on that list?
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>>157715787
>Shadowlord suffering less than Nier
Shit list
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>>157715787
>handsome jack
>75,80

Cmon, he'd be a solid competitor for 100,100
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>>157715278
I can't believe that there's no Won Sul in that chart.

Anyway, put him where Gaku from Qualia is right now and move the others 3 to the left.

Also, why is Hades so high in the suffering and so low in deserving? I can't think of a single D100 that deserves as much or more than him other than maybe Frieza.
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>>157715278
S:90
D:40
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Can we please stop talking about /v/ and /tv/s charts and focus on finishing our own?
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>>157716189
You could have just not made this post and instead proposed an addition to the chart.
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>>157716219
And you could have killed yourself while writing that post.
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Propostion: Kyuubey goes on the last open place in the chart, wherever that may be.

Nobody can decide where to put him, but he's so iconic that he honestly should be included.

So let fate do it instead.
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>>157716260
As long as you keep replying to me, I'll keep replying to you. Think about your next move before you contribute more towards the bump limit.
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>>157716129
Forgot pic.
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But... we just filled that spotted >>157715307
We could switch Hades with Alderp, alderp was doomed to spent eternity in hell feeling despair but i don't why he's a D100, he only did some pacts with a demon
>>157716180
Anyone against this?
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>>157716180
Give me a quick rundown on her suffering
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>>157716280
I agree that Kyubey should be on the chart. Without a doubt.
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>>157716340
Please do that, Hades in S85D100 would be perfect, and Won Sul would also fit Hades currently spot.
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>>157716410
Complete mental breakdown
Pressured to be in rape scenes
Nearly actually raped
Forced to kill
Believing she's a serial killer
Closest person to her turns out to try and kill her
Deadly stalkers
Feeling responsible for stalker attacks
Identity crisis
Basically fucking insane by the end
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>>157716410
Isn't she from perfect blue? I believe she was a singer and was raped, went insane, murdered someone, was attacked by her friend who was crazy
>>157716417
What happened to Won Sul for the 95S?
Anyone against switching Hades with Alderp?
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>>157716180
no
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>>157716575
why no you fucker
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>>157715278
I think Sayaka is fine in that general area. I'd make an argument about her mental state and the pain of her gradually realizing the depth of her personal failure, but I think what really seals the spot for her is turning into a witch, which is an incarnation of despair and generally some pretty serious shit.
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>>157716414
>>157716280
No, we shouldn't sacrifice the last spot when it has been proven that there's too much ambiguity to placing Kyubey.
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>>157716557
>>157716607
Is this really suffering on the same level as Griffith?
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>the movie changed her simply dying to being trapped on the yuri void forever
wow
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>>157716631
Its more than Virgil thats for fucking sure
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>>157716607
There are people that have been in that state for god knows how long in that same tier and even below that. Perfect Blue girl went through that shit for like max 1 year.
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>>157716631
we could put someone from S85 to S90 and add her
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>>157716612
I don't think Sayaka should be above Kyouko, considering her suffering was much shorter and she didn't get anyone killed.
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>>157716620
>>157715278

Revised proposition: Add a square off of the border of the chart, where white space would be as in >>157715787
label it
>???
and put Kyuubey there
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>>157716729
Seconded. Why was that never changed?
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Is Gaku from Qualia the Purple on there. I can't really tell.
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>>157716057
I agree with that other anon about Killy. He seems fine with his fate, never complains, never tries to escape from it. It's like saying a computer is suffering because it doesn't have arms and can only do calculus all day.
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>>157716729
She killed those two guys on the train, didn't she?
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>>157712422
>Homunculus
>I just want to understand the world!
>suffering allegedly deserved

>Asuka
>some stupid dumb bitch
>"she didn't deserve it!"

That's some bull fucking shit.
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>>157716812
>Homunculus
>sends 5 million people to Hell because he was too lazy to study
>not deserving it
Honestly, you surely MUST have seen the answer with your own eyes...
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>>157716729
I still disagree because I consider the part about turning into a witch to be the hinge of my argument. I don't think I'd disagree with moving Sayaka within the 65-70S and 35-40D range but she really shouldn't be outside of that.
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>>157716729
>>157716786
Would this be good?
Sayaka would go below Kyouko in the S scale and I feel like Gaara and Rem could go up. What do you guys think?
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>>157716908
No.
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>>157716908
Works for me.
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>>157716876
>>157716811
Well this was fast. We could just change her with Gaara then
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>>157715787
Damn, I really want to see /v/'s chart finished, but they didn't even update to the new template yet. There are no literally whos at all in their chart.
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>>157716981
We doing Mima or not
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>>157716908
>Rem could go up
Fuck no
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>>157716908
No
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>>157716858
He never sent them to Hell. They were with him. And he didn't know suffering is bad, since he isn't human, so he doesn't share our morality - he's unable to have empathy.
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Help me out here, anons.
Does "How much they deserved it" represent how much a character should have suffered, or does it represent how much they deserved the amount of suffering they got?
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>>157716767
Hahaha that'd be great, but I don't know if the other anons would like it
They seem to hate Kyubey
>>157716805
So.. should his suffering go down? Or you guys want to remove him?
>>157716812
uh.. he's one of the guys who killed more people in the chart
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>>157717023
We already went through this. It's obvious that the x axis is about how much suffering they deserved to have, not how much their actual suffering is correct.
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>>157717023
How much they should have suffered
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>>157717023
How much they should have
Just look at Umaru
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>>157717023
I think it's the second one. I'd defer to Chartanon's definition though.
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>>157717082
He didn't know what he was doing!
But fine, fine. If you guys disagree so much, at least move Asuka to that empty space at top right, okay?
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>>157717089
Removing the "it" from the bottom would make sure nobody could misinterpret this.
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>>157717082
>So.. should his suffering go down? Or you guys want to remove him?
I'd remove him.
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>>157717082
>Hahaha that'd be great, but I don't know if the other anons would like it
>They seem to hate Kyubey
I mean, it's the most accurate representation of the situation with him right now so I say do it

Also the guy bitching about Father is baiting you
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>>157717166
Actually, yes. That'd work alright. But it really isn't that much of a issue.
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>>157717082
I actually like the proposal for QB although I stayed silent because I don't know how everyone else feels about the issue. I think it's appropriate though, given how much people have argued about him.
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>>157717007
>>157716631
and this was my idea for her >>157716692
We would need to find a S85 that could go to the S90 line though

>>157717188
>I'd remove him.
Alright we will see that after we complete the chart. Otherwise this won't end
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I'd switch Victor Nikiforov from YoI and Kotoura san. Kotoura san had a childhood of suffering, certainly more than Victor (or even remove YoI)
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>>157717166
I can do that
>>157717265
Anyone against?
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>>157717228
Put Subaru where the empty spot, Kaneki in Subaru's spot and Mima in Kaneki's spot
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>>157717325
>wanting to move subaru
I'm calling the re:zerofags
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>>157717384
I think he suffered a bit more than Virgil, who is in the 90 S
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>>157717228
>>157717188
>>157717082
Killy isn't a robot, he was a former human who got cybernetic augs before the Silicon hacked the netsphere. Just a normal cop doing his job (which is a statement about how OP pre-disaster humanity was). The safeguard based all their designs around his implants. Bottom line: he should still be able to feel suffering, since he can feel emotions at all. He takes pleasure in purging Silicon, for instance.

Keep him at 100, he's not an unfeeling robot.
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>>157717317
So changing "it" to "to" then?
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>>157716908
Who cares.
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>>157714142
>S0, D100
>Ted Mosby
The guy had his wife die on him. How is he "zero suffering"? If anything, Sheldon Cooper should be in his spot.
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>>157716566
>What happened to Won Sul for the 95S?
Long story short, after the fall of Jushin he was was killed, revived by one of the people that he hates the most in the world, had his body almost completely destroyed several times, was tortured by the guy that revived him and was forcibly fused with a lot of monsters (pic related). He was then send against a whole army and was finally killed for good in a huge exposition.
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>>157717082
>>157716908
Why don't we replace sayaka with Kyubey to solve both problems, if we're willing to leave his placement to chance.
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Where does Pipimi belong?
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>>157714142
>JJ Abrams
>75 D
for what purpose
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>>157717567
>Sheldon Cooper was taken out from the ultimate asshole meme spot
/tv/ has no taste and too much autism. I'd expect them to at least do the memes right.
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>>157717642
We get it, you're a newfag. Go shit in a different thread.
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>>157716340
Wasn't the Chartanon trip supposed to go on anon's face?
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>>157717415
I know he isn't a robot, but if you really want to have him in the chart, then put his human form there, and not so high on either scale. It's highly debatable whether the Killy featured in Blame suffers at all.
>He takes pleasure in purging Silicon
When was that ever shown?
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>>157717682
It's those fags that complain about lens flare all the time. It's like they hate fun.
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>>157714142
No one gives a fuck, crossboarder.
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>>157712707
Fucking worst plot twist of the decade
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>>157715356
>>157715409
>>157715415
>>157715787
>samefag

Go worship this samefagging tripfag somewhere else, you cancerous faggots.
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>>157717583
Sounds good, but the S95 spot is filled, we could put someone in the S100 but I don't know which one.
We could put him on S90 too
>>157717485
Nvm let's not change for now, it'd take some time to fix it
>>157717592
But we couldn't even find a good place for him... low D/high S? low S/high D? low S/low D? I think this idea is good >>157716767
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>>157716340
Can you please change Diavolo (3rd from the top right) to pic related? Anyone who has read the part knows that's not even the "real" Diavolo in the chart.
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>>157717836
Did you change your mind about putting Hades in the S85D100? Just put him in the spot that Hades was. That said, S90 is not bad for him.
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>>157715586
/his/ has it pretty tough though
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>>157717740
>When was that ever shown?
Vol 1, Ch 7
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>>157717987
>>157717926
>>157717265
Done
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>>157718113
>>157717740
Also he's capable of feeling things like surprise/shock, etc

Since they gave him the ability to feel when they gave him is augmented body, it's a reasonable assumption that they allowed him to suffer too, to the extent that they just didn't fuck with his emotions too much. And if he can suffer, he suffered a hell of a lot.
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>>157718145
Put questions marks as a label for Kyuubey's box to emphasize it
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>>157718145
>one spot
About time.
Are we still putting character group labels on the chart?
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>>157718145
>Asuka is still at 20 deserving
BITCH NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST 78.32!
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>>157717836
>but we couldn't even find a good place for him
That's my point, why create a new square? The concern is people want him to be on the chart despite being impossible to place. It seems fair that if he should go up, it should be over a "lesser" character from his own show, especially when that character has a problem with every solution being rejected.
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>>157718145
>only one spot left
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>>157718270
>Homuraguy is here
pls no
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>>157718232
>SOL corner (for low S low D)
>ALL IS WITHIN THE FLOW OF CAUSALITY (extreme S low D)
>JUST (extreme S extreme D)
I dunno
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>>157718270
No
No
NO
Go away
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>>157718270
>this teasing again
lolly lilly lel
go kill yourself
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>>157717718
No merit in fitting in with a bunch of retards, newfag. You'll regret it eight years from now, when you grow up
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>>157718270
Ironically that was where Kyubey was originally, before the spergs showed up to bitch about him.
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>>157718145
Throw Skull knight in that last spot, he's essentially Guts, but immortal. He was also a brutal dictator so he deserves much of it.
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>>157718145
Swap Mr. Satan with Neptunia, then swap Neptunia with Tamamo
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>>157718377
SK is already on the chart
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>>157718145
Why is Homura so high in suffering and so low in deserving? I believe that the girl that made several alternatives time lines, a few of which ended with most if not all dead, just because she couldn' dealt with her crush dying really deserve a lot of suffering.
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>>157718397
Sorry, saw the post earlier but not that he got placed.
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>>157718299
>Center: Complex Characters
>Top Left: Cry Corner
>Center Right: /a/ssholes
>Center Bottom: Smug Moeshit
>Top Right: >JUST FUCK ME UP SENPAI

Your choice.
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>>157718429
FUCK OFF

MADOKA POSITIONS ARE LOCKED

>>157715061
>>157715278

DO NOT RUIN THIS THREAD
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>>157718429
Stop
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>>157718382
>neptunia suffering
haha
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>>157718145
>Megumeme suffering on the same level as Edward Elric or Kayo
The fuck? I recall more people complaining about this, so I thought it got changed.
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>>157718266
I think the line of reasoning for giving Kyubey an exception is that:

1) He is from a very well-known show that is particularly remembered for being about suffering, not to mention his meme tag line

2) From what I can see he is among the characters most argued about in the making of this chart

3) From what I can see he has by far the widest variance out of any character for where he could be placed
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>>157715787
I don't want to live in a world where people believe kirby deserves to suffer any whatsoever.
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Someone quick suggest a character for the last position in the chart before sperglords derail the thread AGAIN
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>>157718485
More like
>mr. satan suffering
At least Neptunia gets sealed for all eternity in some games and some endings.
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>>157718554
Your mom giving birth to you.
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>>157718554
There are no suggestions for the same reason you couldn't post one
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>>157718547
Little psycho shit that kills everything in its path and only exclusively gives a shit when his world is about to end or just petty shit.

He's perfect where he is.
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>>157718554
Is she already on there
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>>157718554
Just put Kyubey in it and fuck the sperglords.
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>>157718113
>>157718149
Are you using his faint smile as an indication of him taking pleasure in killing Silicons? And I think telling them he destroyed the nest was to provoke them.
Not mentionning the first volume is pretty much a proto-Blame and is not perfectly consistent with the rest. Killy is a lot more expressionless in the other volumes.
Finally, this is at most an argument for Killy being able to feel pleasure or surprise. You should show instances when he suffered, but the guy seems not to feel any kind of pain and never to get bored. At most he may feel some kind of frustration because of his never-ending quest, but that's just speculation.

We know he has feelings, but we don't know if he suffers, you're just making assumptions. We can assume he did suffer a lot in the past and eventually became numb to it. But again, it's just an assumption, not something that was featured in the manga.
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>>157718511
Seconded. I'd recommend moving Ed up anyways. He suffered more than everyone in that tier (except maybe arguably Pitou)
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>>157712422
>50-5
FUCK YOU FOR REMINDING ME
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>>157718511
Isn't Ed the one too low? Luluco is there with Megumin and she didn't suffer like Edward
Well, we could put Megumin down if you want, how about we change her with Mr Braun?
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>>157718145
If nobody has any other suggestions, put Kyubey in the final spot and call it a day, Chartanon. If people don't like it they're welcome to suggest a replacement
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>>157718183
done

>>157718239
We could move her a little to the right if you want to
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>>157718910
I agree. Fuck the spergs, put Kyubey in there and we're done. it's taken nearly a week to do this, don't drag it out any longer.
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>>157718791
Maybe move Black Rock Shooter to Ed's place, more Al to BRS's place, and move Ed to where Alphonse was. Because they experienced equal amounts of suffering, but Ed deserved it a little more
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>>157718791
I assume in Megumin's case there's something in the LN I haven't read yet but I have no idea what Luluco is doing up there. She's 2 rows above the depression guy from NHK.
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>all those fucking video game characters
>half of them don't even have anime adaptations
Jesus, fuck off /a/.
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I'm requesting these changes

1. Yes, Utena died in the end, but I think Anemone was forced to endure much more physical and emotional pain during her entire life, + she became crippled in the manga version

2. I'm pretty sure Kenshin's life was way more gruesome than Sayaka's, who at least had a family and lived in a comfortable house
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>>157715787
>Adachi that high
/v/ is fucking retarded.
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>>157718939
How about Skuld for the final spot? Sadistic mass-muderer in life who relished the idea of death both for her victims and for herself. Eventually, after her defeat her captors injected her with a drug that shut down her brain function to it's bare minimum and left her in a catatonic state for the rest of her life, only for her body to be used for "experimental" purposes. Thus preventing her from ever experiencing the death she desired again.
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>>157719176
Forgot pic
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>>157719107
The only problem with Adachi's placement is how far to the right he is.
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>>157719009
>they experienced equal amounts of suffering, but Ed deserved it a little more
I'd say Al got the short end of the stick, being trapped in an armor body for years, unable to sleep, eat, smell, or feel.
Anyway, the Elrics are a bit difficult to place because there are two versions of them. While their background is mostly the same in both continuities, Brotherhood has a happier ending.
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>>157718939
Anyonw got any ideas for S:100 D:85
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>>157719009
Anyone against?
>>157719100
Uh where are the arrows? Well, I guess you want Utena and Kenshin swapped?
>>157719176
>>157719202
Anyone against?
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>>157719100
>>157719433
nvm I'm blind, now I see the arrows
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>>157719009
>>157719402
we could just switch ed with master asia
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>>157718939
Please swap Etheldreda with Master Therion. They effectively have the same amount of suffering, with the difference that Master Therion is half human, and seem to be a lot more affected by that suffering. Also, he is a lot more iconic.
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>>157718939
What happened to Math to be on the same level of suffering as Goblin Slayer?
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>>157719591
Also, if you still need someone to fill that spot Tiberius would fit like a glove. Guy was a massive sadist that doomed thousands of people to death, and had to stopped before he killed an whole city, and he ended up being sent to an dimension where all of the outer gods of the Cthullu verse are, and I am pretty sure that they didn't like the new member all that much.
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Who is 100 Suffering/99 Deserved?
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Who's S 100 D 0?
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>>157719100
>>157719176
>>157719402
>>157719529
>>157719591

>>157719837
Anon
>>157719958
Yuuko Amamiya
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>>157720006
It's actually done.
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>>157720006
So are we finished at last?
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>>157720006
holy shit it's done
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>>157720006
Huh. It's ok.
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>>157720006
Fucking finally. Thank you for doing God's work, anon.
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>>157720006
Are we done now, how many characters still need to be moved?
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>>157720006
Shouldn't it be "how much they deserved" and not "how much they deserved it?"
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>>157720006
Dare I make the suggestion that any further fine tuning should be limited to either this or one more thread, after which all the positions are locked and the chart is considered finished?
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>>157720006
Thanks!
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>>157720222
Can't argue with those trips.
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>>157720222
>200+ posts about Homura's position omitted
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>>157720197
Alright I'll change it
>>157720222
Sounds great

Where is the Homuraguy now
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>>157720006
i am glad we are done but...
shouldnt we replace the vn characters with anime or manga characters?
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>>157720329
Roleplaying in his madoka thread, hopefully
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>>157720329
Please swap Won Sul with Ragna.
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>>157720006
Doing god's work
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>>157720379
ANY
ONE
AGAINST
THIS?
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>>157719658
>never loved by anyone in her life
>physically and emotionally abused by both her father and mother since she was born
>all attempts to change her situation were met with an increase with suffering
>family divorces and mother blames her for everything while slowly killing herself by refusing to eat
>lived 2 years taking care of her mothers corpse as if she was alive, in an unhealthy environment full of trash to disguise the smell.
>betrayed by her own teacher and classmates leading to becoming a shut-in for 2 years
>moves away to start anew and by trying to help someone she becomes hated by everyone in her new school, including the one she helped
>described later as an oddity level creature that constantly self-destructs in order to preserve her level of sanity
>gets in college but can't pay rent, and gets kicked out by jealous girlfriend to not being able to stay in any place until years later
>ends up in her old home where all the abuse happened in the hopes of someday repainting it with happy memories

She is fine in 60, she is pretty much on the top of people who don't live on battlefields, and only below Shinobu in suffering in her own series.
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>>157720403
No. Do it.
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>>157720329
I'd give it one more thread for the sake of everyone getting to see the time limit, but I'll leave it to your discretion.
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>>157720329
>someone finally listens to me in a chart thread
Even though it's not a character placement, I love you
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>>157720379
Done
>>157720222
Changed
>>157720347
Pls no
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>>157720582
>Changed
this was for >>157720197
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Umaru in the bottom right never fails to make me laugh
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>>157720582
Can we start to put label now? Cry Corner is a good one for high S low D.
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>>157720666
Sure thing Satan. Now take her to hell with you.
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>>157720687
No thanks, don't wanna be anywhere near that rat
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>>157720582
I have no idea why Char's S score is so high. It's ridiculous to say he suffered more than Lelouch and Kaiji, for example. Swap him with Yomi.
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>>157720666
>not even Satan likes Umaru
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>>157720668
Seconding this.
What's the point of making this chart if it's gonna be just cold autism.
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>>157720582
I don't really know the characters above Fuminori but I really think he should be moved up 2 or 3 rows. Preferably 70 where Kouji is.

Also, I was always under the impression that "deserved" meant how much they deserved the suffering they got, and not how much suffering they deserve to have. I'm not sure I like the wording change there because it kind of makes a lot of the positions more questionable in my opinion.
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>>157720668
Like this?
>>157720774
Anyone against this?
>>157720906
Where is Fuminori? I only see Saya, anyone against this?
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>>157721235
Who are 100/0 and 0/100?
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>>157720668
>Slice of Life association (low S low D)
>Pity party (mid S low D)
>Cosmic punching bags (high S low D)
>JUST- (extreme S low D)

>Bratty battalion (low S mid D)
>Normalfags (mid S mid D)
>Punished (high S mid D)
>Victims of causality (extreme S mid D)

>Karmic thieves (low S high D)
>Can't keep getting away with it (mid S high D)
>Hoisted by own petard (high S high D)
>Just desserts buffet (extreme S high D)

r8 my titles, /a/
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>>157721361
Yuuko Amamiya from EF
and Umaru
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>>157721235
Centralize it a bit more and you're good.
Keep adding the other labels.
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>>157721361
0/100 is Umaru.
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>>157721235
Make the text a bit bolder, so it stands out against the pictures more. Either a garish border, or garish color
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>>157721422
we need to agree on the titles first
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>>157721418
Not him but what makes her 100/0?
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>>157721492
my suggestions >>157721400
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>>157721492
Cry Corner is great for High S low D.
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>>157721531
Aren't these the ones that /co/ used? I think that we shouldn't use them.
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>>157721235
Fuminori is S55 D95.
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>>157721462
I wanted to add different colors for each title but I could put a red border in every title if you want to
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>>157721653
This.
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>>157721235
Can you make two versions, one with text and one without?
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>>157721400
1. Nah, how about "Comfy Corner"?
2. Pretty nice
3. I like this but it seems like an extreme S
4. Kek

5. I approve of this
6. How about "Passed life's tests"
7. Yes
8. "Life tested too hard"

9. "We piss off /a/"
10. Sure
11. I like this too
12. I feel like this could be better but I can't come up with anything better.
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>>157721718
Done
>>157720774
Done
>>157721798
I'll keep updating without titles and once we are done with the positions I'll add them so you guys can have both.
Meanwhile we can decide which titles will be used
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If you guys have a better image for any character, I'll gladly change it
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>>157721823
>1. Nah, how about "Comfy Corner"?
"Cinnamon Rolls" or "the Pastry Section"
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>>157721932
Who's the billboard head at (65,95)
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It's been years since I watched 02, what was the deal with Blackwargreymon?
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>>157722042
Priscilla from Claymore
>>157722053
good question
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>>157721932
You forgot to put Edward in the 50S25D slot. Master Asia is repeated.
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>>157722252
Nice catch, I'll change it
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>>157721932
Who's at (35, 15)? The picture is too dark to tell.
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>>157721932
I still think that Kars should be moved over to the left one or two columns.
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>>157715698
Why is it 100/100?
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>>157722371
Muh Rome
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>>157722371
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Carthage_(c._149_BC)
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>>157722311
YunYun from Konosuba
>>157722315
What do you guys think?
>>157722371
100S because Rome completely destroyed it 2-3(?) times and threw salt in their soil so nothing could grow back
No idea about the 100D
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>>157722297
Consider >>157721823
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>>157722371

Becuse it must fall.
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>>157715586
So why isn't Hitler at 100/100?
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>>157722454
>implying hitler suffered
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>>157721932
So is Kyubey just going to stay there or will he ultimately go somewhere
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>>157722371
>>157722440
In the final battle Carthage was so inferior that they were making bows with women's hair to defend themselves, they were annihilated
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>>157722444
I'll try to move the characters around first and then put the titles, otherwise it'll be hard to move them
But I'll consider your suggestion
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>>157722371
Shitty aztecs-tier horrific rituals. Also ancient Roman memes.
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>>157722516

Jesus what did they do to piss off Rome that much? Was it seriously just the elephant prank?
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>>157721932
Why is Anthy so high on the on the deserves scale? Not saying she should be on the really low values since she was complicit with Akio, but that's too high.

In the first place she took Dio away because he was suffering from too much demand. And the whole system was inherently bullshit anyway. It forces people into tiny role boxes. Then in Ohtori she was stuck in a mutual abuse cycle with all the hate in the world torturing her making her unable to face change.
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>>157722667
Rome was just tsundere for Carthage-chan.
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>>157712422
Who is 100/100?
Is it (You)?
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>>157722970
We could swap her with Zeref if you want, he did some bad things after all
>>157722995
yes

Again, anyone against moving Kars 2 blocks to the left?
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>>157723125
What's the rationale for moving Kars?
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>>157723167

>>157556196
This was from last thread, I don't know if >>157722315 wants to add something but that's the only argument I've seen so far
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Welp, I guess there's not much to change after all. This must really be it. Fuck those labels.

>>157723125
Thank you for your work, Chartfag. You did good.
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>>157723299
Sounds good to me
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>>157723125
I'd like it even lower but that swap is better than the current position yeah.

Didn't Zeref just happily get to heaven with his loli?
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>>157721932
Senjougahara should be on the lower left, she suffered quite high (rape, and sexual harrasment, family selling her out).
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>>157723377
Yeah, I am not sure if Zeref should be in the S100 anymore, he did get a (very) happy end.
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>>157715787
Balrog and blue hair witch deserve less suffering than Quote and Blond robot?
Why? That makes little to no sense.
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>>157723377
You could swap her with Master Therion, he did summon Cthullu fully aware that he was going to try to kill everything in the planet after all.
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Who is at 100S0D?
Sorry for being new
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>>157723505
It was already asked and answered in the thread.
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>>157723377
What do you think? >>157723494
>>157723339
Alright changing Kars
>>157723378
Don't you mean top left?
I could move her up 1 block, Suiryu was only beaten badly but lived a very good life before that
>>157723505
Yuuko Amamiya
this was the third time I answered it, pls read the thread
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>>157723505
This is the third time this has been asked in this thread
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>>157723568
>Yuuko Amamiya
Literally who?
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>>157723646
Literally google it, you dumb idiot.
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>>157723681
I did, and she's a nobody.
Why put her there?
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>>157723568
Yeah I am okay as long as she is in the chart, thanks for the hard work!
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>>157723720
This, I feel like a character everyone knows should be in a corner spot, that's how it is on every other board
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>>157723568
Added these changes
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>>157724130
I think swapping Yuuko and Rika would be acceptable, since Higurashi is a well-known series.
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>>157723720
>>157724130
I don't know half the characters and I still disagree. There's no point if it's all meme-of-the-season anime flooding the chart either. I'd rather if the characters are there from mostly an objective standpoint regardless of popularity.
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>>157724137
Can we replace Kaneki with Mima
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>>157724268
We're talking about the corner spots, not the whole board
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>>157712692
Wait, every board do this?
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>>157715787
why is adachi on there twice?
otherwise lovin it
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>>157724137
Anyone else feel Polnareff should be higher on the suffering scale?
>his sister was raped and murdered
>got hypnotized by dio
>toilet shenanigans
>his friend ges stabbed in the back and shot in the head then dies
>got lied to and his friend didn't really die but was just unconscious
>now his friend dies for real by getting eaten by a ball of void
>his dog friend gets kicked to death
>his elder friend turns senile
>gets crippled by an angry punch from an op stand
>goes in hiding with an arrow for awhile with his wheelchair
>stand goes crazy with the arrow later
>gets his soul swapped with a turtle
>actual body dies and loses stand
>spirit is now trapped in said turtle
>other friend gets sliced by a gay priest
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>>157724717
/co/ and /tv/ completed theirs, /v/ /a/ and /his/ are still doing it (we are close to finishing though)
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>>157724801
/tg/s just started theirs.
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>>157724768
He had it worse than Jonathan that's for sure
Unrelated question, Hitagi from Monogatari was mentioned but I can't find her, am I fucking blind?
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>>157724841
I heard /sp/ was going to do one too but I'm not sure about it
>>157724768
We could move him 1-2 blocks up.
He certainly suffered more than RBS
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>>157724877
You're not blind, took me 10 minutes squinting my eyes on the chart and couldnt see her
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>>157724902
Where is Kyubey going to end up?
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Why exactly does Slaine deserve suffering. Slaine did nothing wrong, and got NTRed in spite of that.

The only mistake he made was not dicking the sister.
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>>157724877
>>157724969
Fuck I though Tsubasa was Hitagi
I guess Senjougahara isn't in
>>157724379
Kaneki would be a bad choice to remove, maybe we should find a character from an anime with 4-5 characters already in
>>157725024
He's in the bottom left, we couldn't reach an agreement about his position
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>>157724137
AOT protag deserves more suffering for being a whiny annoying prick.
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>>157725435
He's already near the murderers, that's enough D for him
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>>157725030
He has many haters on /a/, somebody even wanted him on 80 20, which is bullshit.
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>>157725030
We could move him 2 spots to the left
I'm sure he deserved it less than Lelouch

Again, anyone against moving Polnareff 2 blocks up?
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>>157725030
Yeah, people argued about it
>>157392294

>>157725643
That would be good. I'm sure most will get sorted out if we do what that one anon suggested and compare characters that are next to each other, starting from the bottom left corner.
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>>157713215
he got used to his meat vision and fucked saya everyday
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>>157725799
>if we do what that one anon suggested

>Pick a character
>Do they suffer more than the character below but less than the character above?
>Do they deserve it more than the character to the left but less than the character to the right?
>If yes to both, character is placed correctly in relation with its neighbors
>If not, change accordingly

>Then keep going until the chart starts making sense. Ideally, considering characters belong to different genres, suffering would be relative to the character and should be valued on how much of a big deal it is for him/her

This?
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>>157715586

Was.... /his/ basing this off real history, or how people perceive history?

Because Jesus Christ this is insanely biased and wrong on so many levels even when just considering the whole structure.
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>>157725933
Yup, that's it
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>>157725933
>Tougou and Karin are now both gone
Fug
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>>157712422

Punpun needs to be further right.
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>>157712422
>Kamina not in the high suffering low deserving corner
Trashchart
>People acknowledging Reki's existence
Slightly less trash chart
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>>157725989
Jesus is something more like 50:5
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>>157726101
At least Sonoko is still in, and in a valuable spot

I did this >>157725643

Anyone have a good pic for yunyun? Otherwise I'll just get one from google
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>>157726131
why would punpun deserve anything
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>>157726186
I was talking about a lot of them, but in general Jesus would be a 50:50 generally.

Hell even from a christian standpoint he deserved what he got, he lived as a sinner, commited crimes, pissed off everyone, went against the major religion in the area, that to me even from a biased christian standpoint means he deserved it probably 100%, and in the end it was what was meant to happen preordained, he came here to "die for our sins" meaning he deserved suffering he got.

Though again maybe it's 0:100 since he's now essentially the king of the universe forever for a brief amount of torture he would forget in an infinitely small drop in an infinitely large ocean of time.

Not christian but generally the story i'd say a compromise would be 50:50.
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>>157725989
Did you expect anything else?
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>>157726344
>Jesus Christ
>lived as a sinner
Anon, please tell me you're not serious
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>>157726344
Look at the people further right on the X-axis though, do you really think Jesus belongs there?
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>>157726131
He should be moved down too. Having him on the same suffering level as Nagato looks weird.
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Let's not discuss non/a/ here, that might get the thread deleted.
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>>157726243
switch punpun with brook (was trapped 50 years alone in the middle of the sea) and then switch punpun with mikasa
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>>157726344
too bad. this is a christian imageboard,
you filthy pagan scum.
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>>157726131
>>157726452

>>157726597
Sounds good, anyone against this?
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Someone involved on the /v/ one make another thread for it
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>>157726344
Read the Bible before you spout your blasphemy, you heretic harlot.
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>>157726672
Shoo shoo, /v/ermin.
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>>157726672
Why don't you try asking on >>>/v/ ?
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>>157726662
Where is Shiraume Ume, she definitely deserves a spot on the high D and low S
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>>157726672
I think their chartanon gave up, I don't like their chart design too
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>>157726662
Yeah, Punpun didn't suffer as much as the people in that range.
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>>157726768
we just completed the chart though
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Now we just need a green chart.
/b/ chart
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>No Bento bitch
>No Kaori or anyone from Your lie in April
>No Clannad girls
>No Kanon
>No Umineko

This chart is actually trash
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>>157726814
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>>157727064
>no Umineko

Did you even look at the chart?
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>>157712422
THIS BITCH NEEDS TO BE NEXT TO THE FUCKING POTATO GIRL
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>>157727064
>No Umineko
S65/D15
>>157727200
S10/D10
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>>157725933
We could start with this. Do you think this area is ok? Nothing stands out to me personally.
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>>157727384
Everything seems fine there. The SoL corner is pretty chill

How about this part?
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>>157727097
Where is tomoya?
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>>157727454
I'd swap Bakugou and Kirino maybe, but I dropped OreImo so I'd ask others.
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>>157727571
I was thinking about putting yunyun one block up and Akko one to the left
What do you think?

I agree with bakugan going up
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>>157727640
>bakugan
uh, Bakugou
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>>157727640
Akko one to left is ok
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>>157715787
>Adachi
>Suffering 70

Wow jail must suck.
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>>157712422
WHO IS THE BITCH NEXT TO ANGRY MANJEW AND WHAT HAPPENED TO HER? I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THREE THREADS!
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>No Atom, no Lupin, no Versailles, no Golgo, no Nausicaa

/a/ having no interest in the roots of the art I see.
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>>157727064
You can suggest their place and then we can vote. After all we could have more meme-y characters as replacement, that is, if we agree on that.
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>>157727571
>>157727640
>>157727722
Done

>>157727952

>>157719958
>>157723505
>>157721361
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>>157727676
>sayaka is still high suffering

So did we decide to abandon that issue or?
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>>157728059
Forgot the image
>>157728065
She went 1 block down, do you want her to go down more?
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>>157723681
Wait let me get this straight bitch gets run over by a car and dies right before her happy end but then later on still gets it via supernatural bullshit. I fail to see how she suffered more then someone who's died a countless number of times in extremely brutal ways for pretty much no reason.

Drop her down to 50 or 40 or something and move everyone up one she shits all over the point of suffering part where she is now..
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>>157728134
Is that Mr Braun five spots below her? You could switch them, I recall his life being pretty shit
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>>157727097
I think Sakura and Archer should swap. She was sexually tortured everyday of her live from being five years old. I don't see how that's less suffering than just being a shitty superhero.
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>>157728164
At least watch the anime, faggot
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>>157728247
Archer spent an eternity murdering people even though his wish was to be able to finally save everyone. His suffering lasted a whole lot longer than Sakura's.
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>>157728164
>fatefags
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Polnareff is too far to the left. Too late though.
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>>157728285
Yes let's watching an entire anime for the sake of this thread. Great idea anon.

As it stands unless someone can explain to me what makes her so special I say both Rika and Angry Manjew are far more deserving of her spot.
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>>157728134
Can we change the space dandy image to this? Here he's actually in his usual outfit
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>>157728375
>No, anon, I'm not looking for information, I'm looking to be spoon-fed information
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>>157728221
Anyone against this?

>>157728337
We could swap him with chopper

You guys decide about Yuuko's position/Sakura and archer

>>157728442
Thanks, will change it
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>>157728459
>anyone against this?

Yes. Mr. Braun had a crappy life, but I think Sakura turning into a witch takes the cake there.
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>>157728459
I wouldn't really say that Braun has suffered that much
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>>157728516
uh he's talking about sayaka
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>>157728459
I'm ok with anything that involves moving Sakura farther to the right/lower.
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>>157728541
Yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry.
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>>157728550
>I'm ok with anything that involves moving Sakura farther to the right/lower.
Maybe provide arguments for that? Because you just sound like a hater. Every time I visit these threads I see somebody bitching about the Madokas.
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>>157728568
but sakura isn't a madoka
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>>157728516
Compared to other characters on S65?
Hell, she's suffered even less than Kyoko and somehow is a spot above her. Having one shitty week is not equal to or worse than inadvertently killing your family and living a life of constant struggle to survive. If not five spots, she should at least be two lower
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>>157728584
Oh fuck, I was reading the Sayaka discussion.
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>>157728602
I don't disagree. I just don't think she should be dropped five spots. We should wait until we get to that section to discuss it in detail. We're still on the bottom rows.
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>>157728298
Sakura also murdered many many people. In her route she gets saved but there's no gaurantee that her route is canon, in the other routes her suffering could continue for an untold amount of time. Consider also that Sakura's suffering drover her insane while Archer's only caused extreme self loathing. Clearly she was more affected by her experiences.
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anything to change?
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>>157728676
Renton did nothing wrong
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>>157728568
>Maybe provide arguments for that? Because you just sound like a hater.

Shit he's on to me.

>Every time I visit these threads I see somebody bitching about the Madokas.

Also you're retarded.

But seriously Archer clearly suffered way more then Sakura. She was only raped for like a decade. He was forced to murder people for an eternity when all he wanted to do was save people.
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>>157728644
She's only more effected because she has a child's willpower.

>>157728676
I think Nadeko should be pushed to the right of Aqua and the Haganai MC. Memes aside, neither of them threaten to murder/actually attempt to murder anyone.
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>>157728676
What does Haruhi suffered from?
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>>157728644
I think trying to kill your pastself to erase yourself from existence is a little past self-loathing anon.
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Touma suffered a lot since he been sent to 100 billion phases of hell.

He should be at (40 deserve,100 suffering).
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>>157728676
As much as I hate Asshime, she does get choked, shot and spends 2 years in a coma, so her suffering should be higher.

Otherwise, she spent her life living in luxury while her people suffered in poverty and she never addresses that, she always talks about MUH EARTH and is insanely oblivious to the people around her
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>>157728774
Melancholy
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>>157728781
Nice pun
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>>157728676
I would swap Nandeko with the flan hair guy
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>>157728676
switch aqua and haruhi
Haruhi didn't suffer, aqua suffered a lot in her fight with that slime
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>>157728796
Actually I think she should be removed from the chart. She isn't a character memorable for her suffering or a memorable character at all, there's already Slaine from Aldnoah and it's not that popular of an anime to deserve 2 spots.
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>>157714327
the Swede from Hell on Wheels
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>>157728786
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>>157728741
>>157728774
>>157728796
>>157728823
>>157728827
This?
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>>157728903
I'm satisfied with that.
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>>157728134
Switch Nyaa-tan with Akko on D:40 column. Akko hasn't had friends die yet.
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>>157728941
Didn't we go through that block already?....
Well, anyone against this?
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>>157728676
Nadeko suffering less than Haruhi doesn't seem right at all. Snake suffers a total mental breakdown that's not exactly painless.
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>only one madoka-related issue left

Wonderful, they gave so many issues it should be named "Madoka vs /a/: the battle of suffering"
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>>157728962
I wasn't here for it. Sorry Chartfag. Thanks for the work though.
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What the fug is (30,80)?
Replace with Death
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>>157728987
Two words: Homura and Kyubey.
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>>157729001
2 soul eater characters in
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>>157727952
Yuuko Amamiya right? It would ruin the impact if you don't see for yourself. She's from ef. But view spoiler at your own discretion. I'd rather you watch the series though. You'll get a better idea than my summary.
>in church orphanage at very young age
>gets pushed away by only person she gets attached to there
>goes to a stepbrother
>everything is ok for a while
>stepbrother gets resentful that he's caring for a replacement sister and not the real thing
>starts abusing her
>stabs, cuts, bruises, burns, etc
>this goes on for years
>eventually decides to rape her on Christmas
>she wanted to save virginity for love
>she eventually runs into guy from orphanage in high school
>step brother starts abusing and raping her more since he's a teacher and knows what's going on
>gets guy from orphanage to fall in love and confess
>eventually reveals her past to guy and shows her scarred battered body and starts going bananas and listing when and how each wound came from
>guy tries to confront brother but gets ass kicked and death threatened
>they both try eloping
>brother finds them pretty easily and continues to break guy's spirits
>brother takes girl back and eventually snaps and burns his house and himself with it
>girl finally free
>spend time watching over orphans and living life
>about to spend Christmas with love
>waits for him with scarf as present but gets hit by shitty Japanese driver and bleeds to death at church
>spends a decade or so as holy church ghost waiting for that time they were supposed to share on Christmas
>apparently this is the toned down anime version

This is the best summary I can offer from what I remember. It might be spot on or it might be missing some details. People say that her life was even worse in the VN if you could imagine. I don't know the details though. Oh and the guy I mentioned is 2 blocks below on the chart. He has his own suffering too.
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>>157729001
Meant to reply to this
>>157728893
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>>157728970
Alright, how about this then?
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>>157729078
That is just sad. No wonder she is where she is.
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>>157729050
I see asura, who's the other?
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>>157729120
S70/D45
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>>157712422
Eren should be lower on the suffering scale. Also why isn't Guts the one to have deserved it the less?
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>>157728741
>>157728781
So then I say Sakura should just be moved into the spot next to Archer, S90 D 45
I think there's no way sakura deserved her suffering more than Archer seeing as it started before she could even speak or think for herself. Archer's own choices led him to his fate, even if it was disproportional to his actions.
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>>157729180
guts killed someone when he was a child
angra mainyu and yuuko deserved it even less than him
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>>157729197
She deserved it based on her actions during Heaven's Feel. If you take a look at some of the other characters, the actions that made them deserve it come long after their suffering, Griffith for example.
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>>157728164
>HURR THEY HAVE TO DIE MORE THAN ONCE
That doesn't make sense either. So suffering is measured by amount of times they died? By that logic all characters who haven't died or don't have extra continues or lifetimes or whatever shouldn't be anywhere near the top.
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>>157729210
To be honest the magical negro and Gambino deserved it.
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>>157729217
How is it fair that she is punished for actions that were caused by insanity she developed due to the punishment.?? Also it's not very clear if her actions were due to her own agency or due to the grail/Angra Mainyu's influence
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>>157728535
How so? Did you read his manga?
His wife literally gets fucking jellyfied in front of him and he was starving on the street most of his early life. He ends up as fucking livestock for SERN. He also betrays Suzuha without knowing it and realizes when it's too late.
How is that not suffering very much? I don't know about comparisons but he certainly did suffer a bit. Also animefags got a completely neutered telling of his story.
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>>157729108
Seems good
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>>157729302
Its very clear. Kotomine, who has also had close contact with Angra Mainyu, states very clearly that she is acting under her own accord.
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>>157715787
Why the fuck is Dr. Light at 25D? He was at fault for half of everything.
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>>157727064
I'm still disappointed with Erika's removal. She got called an unimportant side character, even though that's obviously not true, and then got replaced.
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>>157729394
the main problem with erika wasn't her importance but the fact that she couldn't be correctly placed in the chart so op put her on a spot with high S/high D which is not true
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>>157728893
Bertolt and Yukio should be higher and lower on suffer, no? Also what the fuck did Pakunoda do wrong? I don't see Kurapika.
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>>157729117
Yeah. I remember not wanting to watch anymore after that certain revelation. I I wasn't prepared. It's a little campy at times but not bad of a series. I recommend watching them. But fuck I wanted these two to be happy. If I was Yuu (0, 90) I would have killed myself.
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>>157729344
>swallowed by the mud
Just like Saber and Berseker who turned into completely existences after exposure to the grail's contents? Also the end of Heavens Feel contradicts Kirei because Shiriou stabs sakura with oathbreaker causing her to return back to normal. Clearly Mainyu was influencing her actions. Kirei is known for playing mindgames with people, he could just be latching onto a small grain of truth and inciting Sakura to overthink it. Which would make sense as it would worsen her mental state and accelerate ths birth of Angya Mainyu(I really can't spell that name gomen)
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>>157729108
Changes applied
>>157729454
>I don't see Kurapika.
S70/D20
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>>157729469
Whether or not she's being manipulated, she's still doing what she wanted. All the corruption did was give her the means to accomplish her goals. Angry Manjew gave her the push, but she still committed mass murder and did nothing to restrain herself.
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>>157728786
>>157728134


ChartAnon, can Touma increase it (40/100) at least?
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>>157729608
Chill, we'll get there at some point.
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>>157729108
It's better. I would have placed Nadeko at around S25, at least, but that's just me.

I just find the comparative suffering really out of whack in several places on the overall chart. Satoshi & Bert both at 30 for instance. Or Luluco all the way up at S45 when she just suffered puppy love & then gets a happy ending. Or Hisoka having a ball but apparently suffering as much as Gendo. But if you listened to the likes of me, the chart would never get finished.
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>>157729478
Akko did nothing wrong.
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>>157729451
>high D
Unless you haven't read Umineko, you should know why Erika's generally hated/loved and considered a great villain. Sure, she doesn't work on global scale as let's say Dio, but does that make her less deserving?

>high S
I agree that this is questionable, but it seems people always forget the whole getting left in the void by her master thing, which especially for Erika, had to be far worse than death. I'd place her lower than she used to be, but she undeniably went through suffering.
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>>157729580
The fact that she would never have done those things if she hadn't suffered still stands. Regardless of how much angry mayo influended her actions,(which is reallly unclear) she was punished as a complete innocent. It's like locking someone up and torturing them and when they go crazy and hurt someone or something you use that as justification for locking them up in the first place.
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>>157729478
Mikoto should not be higher than Accelerator. Who is the memelord that came up with that? She had one arc where she broke down and quickly returned to prancing around in her usual adventures.
Accelerator literally went through hell and back in WW3 to save his loli and got shit thrown his way ever since he was a kid. Mikoto should be 50 at best and I'd bump Accelerator up to 75/80 or higher, suffering wise.
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>>157729608
why would touma even be s100?
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>>157729706
By that logic, Griffith barely deserves any of his suffering.
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>>157715586
I really don't understand the placement of many of the philosophers/authors on this chart, maybe I'm just missing out on some elaborate /his/ memes though.

Who's the disfigured man on 95/55?
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>>157729394
Seems odd to have Erika when not even Battler or Beato are on there, when they're the main characters of Umineko.
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>>157729706
>Regardless of how much angry mayo influended her actions,(which is reallly unclear)
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>>157729707
>Misaka suffering less than accelerator
are you trying to bait?
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>>157729710
For spending a time longer than the universe exists for being tortured until he was on the blink of death before being brought back just go through it all over and over again, presumably. I'd leave him at 95 though, it was an absurd amount of suffering, but it still wasn't eternal and ended at one point.
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>>157729786
Not that guy, but she has a single incident with Accelerator and that was his life. She suffered for what maybe a week?
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>>157729786
No. Have you actually read the LN?
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>>157729478
The normally happy people are all hugging the bottom two rows and the rest is just increasing degrees of suffering. Nice.
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what do you guys think?
Any change?
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>>157712422
0 deserved pizza loli should be higher
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>>157729478
>Kyousuke
>deserving ANY suffering
Shit list
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>>157729769
I wouldn't put in Beato, but I agree with Battler. Instead of Beato I'd go with Yasu. Not that anyone's getting in at this point. I was complaining about Erika because she got in and was removed for a shallow reason.
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>>157729839
I think Job Trunhit should be lowered in suffering, but probably kept at the same level of D. He managed to weasel his way out of a lot of trouble and only bit off more than he could chew at the very end.
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>>157729839
I'm not sure Ohgi is there for meme status but if not he should probably be a bit lower than 100. He's a moron mostly, but in the end he was just listening to an enemy prince throw suspicions on his leader. Dumb, but not really evil or deserving of suffering as high as most
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>>157729707
Who would you change Mikoto with to make her go down?
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Why is Dandy so high on the D scale again?
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>>157729839
Honestly, Momoka shouldn't be that high on deserve. She didn't really do anything to deserve snek levels of suffering. Whoever placed her at 100 initially was probably insane.
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