Did the chartanon die or give up? Haven't seen a thread in a few days and we were almost done.
I saw someone mention this in another thread but never asked. Yuuko on the top left. Her entire existence was suffering but what in the source was different? I heard the anime actually managed to tone things down a bit but I don't know what. I honestly would put her up at her spot regardless of how the VN turned out. Fuck I'm still shaken from that.
He could have said "fuck it," taken the second chance life so generously handed him, and live a happy life with his fat friend and space waifu.
But no, he couldn't get over it, and he couldn't give up on waifu #1 even after she died, he deserved every bit of it.
The self sacrifice element is absolutely retarded. You have Osamu Mikumo halfways because of it, yet Guts, Killy and the Fire Punch guy also should be at the right then, because it was their choices that made them go through hell. They could always have gone far away and ignore their goals, and you can say the same about any character. This chart is an absolute piece of smelly shit. Also how did the fag from Hatsuko no Maria went from being on the left to a seventy on the right?
I think most of the suffering argument revolves around his state at the end of Rebellion, although it isn't elaborated on much. And his Deserves value can literally be almost anything which is why even though I love Madoka I don't think it would be a good idea to have him on here.
>mfw /tv/ finished it first than /a/ and /his/ and we didn't even suspect it
>some remembered desert punk
Also, Kanta in the perfect spot, he was a massive cunt to everyone.
I mean, he's getting mindraped by all of Earth's suffering constantly, and he couldn't even perceive such suffering until Homura forced him to acknowledge it. And it is indeed hurting him -- he's seen stumbling around and he looks afraid, and his fur is disheveled. I'm trying to think of something worse than being forced to feel an entirely alien sense of pain, and then also having that pain be turned up to infinity at the exact same time, forever. Shit sucks.
Hey chartanon, arrow anon here. I propose you move Kohaku down a notch (she was just raped when she was a kid, compare it to the stuff Sakura had to go through).
I am also supporting the motion of locking Madoka characters, and if possible, locking all the characters at the border of the chart. (i.e.: all those with S: 0, S:100, D: 0 and D: 100).
Last threads: >>157544847
Let's focus on filling the 3 spots we have left
No removing characters until we complete the chart, the only one we might remove is Bernkastel since we had complaints about her since the first thread.
As >>157715061 said, let's not discuss Homura/Kyouko position, the only one we should discuss about right now is Sayaka since that's what we were doing last thread.
before the homura thing
(above Lord Genome)
He's suffered almost as much as Guts has, if not more. And he was also a vicious conqueror so he deserves a lot of his pain. Also he fucked everything up in the Kushan arc.
Before we do ANYTHING, replace S100/D100 spot with pic related
Yeah /tv/ did a great job, but /his/ is not that fast they should complete it in 3-4 threads
/v/ started theirs too
And this is /v/'s.
I'm applying these changes >>157715307
Near Akabara and The Intention of the Abyss? Yes
That's a good question, for a human his fate would be certainly a S100 but if we had to consider the character's understanding of suffering for the S part, wouldn't it be too subjective to even measure?
I don't know if I made it clear
They had nepgear too, but removed her
I can't believe that there's no Won Sul in that chart.
Anyway, put him where Gaku from Qualia is right now and move the others 3 to the left.
Also, why is Hades so high in the suffering and so low in deserving? I can't think of a single D100 that deserves as much or more than him other than maybe Frieza.
Propostion: Kyuubey goes on the last open place in the chart, wherever that may be.
Nobody can decide where to put him, but he's so iconic that he honestly should be included.
So let fate do it instead.
But... we just filled that spotted >>157715307
We could switch Hades with Alderp, alderp was doomed to spent eternity in hell feeling despair but i don't why he's a D100, he only did some pacts with a demon
Anyone against this?
Complete mental breakdown
Pressured to be in rape scenes
Nearly actually raped
Forced to kill
Believing she's a serial killer
Closest person to her turns out to try and kill her
Feeling responsible for stalker attacks
Basically fucking insane by the end
Isn't she from perfect blue? I believe she was a singer and was raped, went insane, murdered someone, was attacked by her friend who was crazy
What happened to Won Sul for the 95S?
Anyone against switching Hades with Alderp?
I think Sayaka is fine in that general area. I'd make an argument about her mental state and the pain of her gradually realizing the depth of her personal failure, but I think what really seals the spot for her is turning into a witch, which is an incarnation of despair and generally some pretty serious shit.
>the movie changed her simply dying to being trapped on the yuri void forever
I agree with that other anon about Killy. He seems fine with his fate, never complains, never tries to escape from it. It's like saying a computer is suffering because it doesn't have arms and can only do calculus all day.
I still disagree because I consider the part about turning into a witch to be the hinge of my argument. I don't think I'd disagree with moving Sayaka within the 65-70S and 35-40D range but she really shouldn't be outside of that.
Would this be good?
Sayaka would go below Kyouko in the S scale and I feel like Gaara and Rem could go up. What do you guys think?
Help me out here, anons.
Does "How much they deserved it" represent how much a character should have suffered, or does it represent how much they deserved the amount of suffering they got?
Hahaha that'd be great, but I don't know if the other anons would like it
They seem to hate Kyubey
So.. should his suffering go down? Or you guys want to remove him?
uh.. he's one of the guys who killed more people in the chart
>Hahaha that'd be great, but I don't know if the other anons would like it
>They seem to hate Kyubey
I mean, it's the most accurate representation of the situation with him right now so I say do it
Also the guy bitching about Father is baiting you
I actually like the proposal for QB although I stayed silent because I don't know how everyone else feels about the issue. I think it's appropriate though, given how much people have argued about him.
and this was my idea for her >>157716692
We would need to find a S85 that could go to the S90 line though
>I'd remove him.
Alright we will see that after we complete the chart. Otherwise this won't end
Killy isn't a robot, he was a former human who got cybernetic augs before the Silicon hacked the netsphere. Just a normal cop doing his job (which is a statement about how OP pre-disaster humanity was). The safeguard based all their designs around his implants. Bottom line: he should still be able to feel suffering, since he can feel emotions at all. He takes pleasure in purging Silicon, for instance.
Keep him at 100, he's not an unfeeling robot.
>What happened to Won Sul for the 95S?
Long story short, after the fall of Jushin he was was killed, revived by one of the people that he hates the most in the world, had his body almost completely destroyed several times, was tortured by the guy that revived him and was forcibly fused with a lot of monsters (pic related). He was then send against a whole army and was finally killed for good in a huge exposition.
I know he isn't a robot, but if you really want to have him in the chart, then put his human form there, and not so high on either scale. It's highly debatable whether the Killy featured in Blame suffers at all.
>He takes pleasure in purging Silicon
When was that ever shown?
Sounds good, but the S95 spot is filled, we could put someone in the S100 but I don't know which one.
We could put him on S90 too
Nvm let's not change for now, it'd take some time to fix it
But we couldn't even find a good place for him... low D/high S? low S/high D? low S/low D? I think this idea is good >>157716767
Can you please change Diavolo (3rd from the top right) to pic related? Anyone who has read the part knows that's not even the "real" Diavolo in the chart.
>When was that ever shown?
Vol 1, Ch 7
Also he's capable of feeling things like surprise/shock, etc
Since they gave him the ability to feel when they gave him is augmented body, it's a reasonable assumption that they allowed him to suffer too, to the extent that they just didn't fuck with his emotions too much. And if he can suffer, he suffered a hell of a lot.
>but we couldn't even find a good place for him
That's my point, why create a new square? The concern is people want him to be on the chart despite being impossible to place. It seems fair that if he should go up, it should be over a "lesser" character from his own show, especially when that character has a problem with every solution being rejected.
Why is Homura so high in suffering and so low in deserving? I believe that the girl that made several alternatives time lines, a few of which ended with most if not all dead, just because she couldn' dealt with her crush dying really deserve a lot of suffering.
I think the line of reasoning for giving Kyubey an exception is that:
1) He is from a very well-known show that is particularly remembered for being about suffering, not to mention his meme tag line
2) From what I can see he is among the characters most argued about in the making of this chart
3) From what I can see he has by far the widest variance out of any character for where he could be placed
Are you using his faint smile as an indication of him taking pleasure in killing Silicons? And I think telling them he destroyed the nest was to provoke them.
Not mentionning the first volume is pretty much a proto-Blame and is not perfectly consistent with the rest. Killy is a lot more expressionless in the other volumes.
Finally, this is at most an argument for Killy being able to feel pleasure or surprise. You should show instances when he suffered, but the guy seems not to feel any kind of pain and never to get bored. At most he may feel some kind of frustration because of his never-ending quest, but that's just speculation.
We know he has feelings, but we don't know if he suffers, you're just making assumptions. We can assume he did suffer a lot in the past and eventually became numb to it. But again, it's just an assumption, not something that was featured in the manga.
Isn't Ed the one too low? Luluco is there with Megumin and she didn't suffer like Edward
Well, we could put Megumin down if you want, how about we change her with Mr Braun?
We could move her a little to the right if you want to
Maybe move Black Rock Shooter to Ed's place, more Al to BRS's place, and move Ed to where Alphonse was. Because they experienced equal amounts of suffering, but Ed deserved it a little more
I'm requesting these changes
1. Yes, Utena died in the end, but I think Anemone was forced to endure much more physical and emotional pain during her entire life, + she became crippled in the manga version
2. I'm pretty sure Kenshin's life was way more gruesome than Sayaka's, who at least had a family and lived in a comfortable house
How about Skuld for the final spot? Sadistic mass-muderer in life who relished the idea of death both for her victims and for herself. Eventually, after her defeat her captors injected her with a drug that shut down her brain function to it's bare minimum and left her in a catatonic state for the rest of her life, only for her body to be used for "experimental" purposes. Thus preventing her from ever experiencing the death she desired again.
>they experienced equal amounts of suffering, but Ed deserved it a little more
I'd say Al got the short end of the stick, being trapped in an armor body for years, unable to sleep, eat, smell, or feel.
Anyway, the Elrics are a bit difficult to place because there are two versions of them. While their background is mostly the same in both continuities, Brotherhood has a happier ending.
Anyonw got any ideas for S:100 D:85
Please swap Etheldreda with Master Therion. They effectively have the same amount of suffering, with the difference that Master Therion is half human, and seem to be a lot more affected by that suffering. Also, he is a lot more iconic.
Also, if you still need someone to fill that spot Tiberius would fit like a glove. Guy was a massive sadist that doomed thousands of people to death, and had to stopped before he killed an whole city, and he ended up being sent to an dimension where all of the outer gods of the Cthullu verse are, and I am pretty sure that they didn't like the new member all that much.
Dare I make the suggestion that any further fine tuning should be limited to either this or one more thread, after which all the positions are locked and the chart is considered finished?
i am glad we are done but...
shouldnt we replace the vn characters with anime or manga characters?
>never loved by anyone in her life
>physically and emotionally abused by both her father and mother since she was born
>all attempts to change her situation were met with an increase with suffering
>family divorces and mother blames her for everything while slowly killing herself by refusing to eat
>lived 2 years taking care of her mothers corpse as if she was alive, in an unhealthy environment full of trash to disguise the smell.
>betrayed by her own teacher and classmates leading to becoming a shut-in for 2 years
>moves away to start anew and by trying to help someone she becomes hated by everyone in her new school, including the one she helped >described later as an oddity level creature that constantly self-destructs in order to preserve her level of sanity >gets in college but can't pay rent, and gets kicked out by jealous girlfriend to not being able to stay in any place until years later >ends up in her old home where all the abuse happened in the hopes of someday repainting it with happy memories
She is fine in 60, she is pretty much on the top of people who don't live on battlefields, and only below Shinobu in suffering in her own series.
I don't really know the characters above Fuminori but I really think he should be moved up 2 or 3 rows. Preferably 70 where Kouji is.
Also, I was always under the impression that "deserved" meant how much they deserved the suffering they got, and not how much suffering they deserve to have. I'm not sure I like the wording change there because it kind of makes a lot of the positions more questionable in my opinion.
Anyone against this?
Where is Fuminori? I only see Saya, anyone against this?
>Slice of Life association (low S low D)
>Pity party (mid S low D)
>Cosmic punching bags (high S low D)
>JUST- (extreme S low D)
>Bratty battalion (low S mid D)
>Normalfags (mid S mid D)
>Punished (high S mid D)
>Victims of causality (extreme S mid D)
>Karmic thieves (low S high D)
>Can't keep getting away with it (mid S high D)
>Hoisted by own petard (high S high D)
>Just desserts buffet (extreme S high D)
r8 my titles, /a/
1. Nah, how about "Comfy Corner"?
2. Pretty nice
3. I like this but it seems like an extreme S
5. I approve of this
6. How about "Passed life's tests"
8. "Life tested too hard"
9. "We piss off /a/"
11. I like this too
12. I feel like this could be better but I can't come up with anything better.
I'll keep updating without titles and once we are done with the positions I'll add them so you guys can have both.
Meanwhile we can decide which titles will be used
YunYun from Konosuba
What do you guys think?
100S because Rome completely destroyed it 2-3(?) times and threw salt in their soil so nothing could grow back
No idea about the 100D
I'll try to move the characters around first and then put the titles, otherwise it'll be hard to move them
But I'll consider your suggestion
Why is Anthy so high on the on the deserves scale? Not saying she should be on the really low values since she was complicit with Akio, but that's too high.
In the first place she took Dio away because he was suffering from too much demand. And the whole system was inherently bullshit anyway. It forces people into tiny role boxes. Then in Ohtori she was stuck in a mutual abuse cycle with all the hate in the world torturing her making her unable to face change.
We could swap her with Zeref if you want, he did some bad things after all
Again, anyone against moving Kars 2 blocks to the left?
What do you think? >>157723494
Alright changing Kars
Don't you mean top left?
I could move her up 1 block, Suiryu was only beaten badly but lived a very good life before that
this was the third time I answered it, pls read the thread
Literally google it, you dumb idiot.
Added these changes
I don't know half the characters and I still disagree. There's no point if it's all meme-of-the-season anime flooding the chart either. I'd rather if the characters are there from mostly an objective standpoint regardless of popularity.
Anyone else feel Polnareff should be higher on the suffering scale?
>his sister was raped and murdered
>got hypnotized by dio
>his friend ges stabbed in the back and shot in the head then dies
>got lied to and his friend didn't really die but was just unconscious
>now his friend dies for real by getting eaten by a ball of void
>his dog friend gets kicked to death
>his elder friend turns senile
>gets crippled by an angry punch from an op stand
>goes in hiding with an arrow for awhile with his wheelchair
>stand goes crazy with the arrow later
>gets his soul swapped with a turtle
>actual body dies and loses stand
>spirit is now trapped in said turtle
>other friend gets sliced by a gay priest
I heard /sp/ was going to do one too but I'm not sure about it
We could move him 1-2 blocks up.
He certainly suffered more than RBS
Fuck I though Tsubasa was Hitagi
I guess Senjougahara isn't in
Kaneki would be a bad choice to remove, maybe we should find a character from an anime with 4-5 characters already in
He's in the bottom left, we couldn't reach an agreement about his position
Yeah, people argued about it
That would be good. I'm sure most will get sorted out if we do what that one anon suggested and compare characters that are next to each other, starting from the bottom left corner.
>if we do what that one anon suggested
>Pick a character
>Do they suffer more than the character below but less than the character above?
>Do they deserve it more than the character to the left but less than the character to the right?
>If yes to both, character is placed correctly in relation with its neighbors
>If not, change accordingly
>Then keep going until the chart starts making sense. Ideally, considering characters belong to different genres, suffering would be relative to the character and should be valued on how much of a big deal it is for him/her
Was.... /his/ basing this off real history, or how people perceive history?
Because Jesus Christ this is insanely biased and wrong on so many levels even when just considering the whole structure.
At least Sonoko is still in, and in a valuable spot
I did this >>157725643
Anyone have a good pic for yunyun? Otherwise I'll just get one from google
I was talking about a lot of them, but in general Jesus would be a 50:50 generally.
Hell even from a christian standpoint he deserved what he got, he lived as a sinner, commited crimes, pissed off everyone, went against the major religion in the area, that to me even from a biased christian standpoint means he deserved it probably 100%, and in the end it was what was meant to happen preordained, he came here to "die for our sins" meaning he deserved suffering he got.
Though again maybe it's 0:100 since he's now essentially the king of the universe forever for a brief amount of torture he would forget in an infinitely small drop in an infinitely large ocean of time.
Not christian but generally the story i'd say a compromise would be 50:50.
too bad. this is a christian imageboard,
you filthy pagan scum.
Read the Bible before you spout your blasphemy, you heretic harlot.
THIS BITCH NEEDS TO BE NEXT TO THE FUCKING POTATO GIRL
We could start with this. Do you think this area is ok? Nothing stands out to me personally.
Everything seems fine there. The SoL corner is pretty chill
How about this part?
WHO IS THE BITCH NEXT TO ANGRY MANJEW AND WHAT HAPPENED TO HER? I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THREE THREADS!
Forgot the image
She went 1 block down, do you want her to go down more?
Wait let me get this straight bitch gets run over by a car and dies right before her happy end but then later on still gets it via supernatural bullshit. I fail to see how she suffered more then someone who's died a countless number of times in extremely brutal ways for pretty much no reason.
Drop her down to 50 or 40 or something and move everyone up one she shits all over the point of suffering part where she is now..
I think Sakura and Archer should swap. She was sexually tortured everyday of her live from being five years old. I don't see how that's less suffering than just being a shitty superhero.
Yes let's watching an entire anime for the sake of this thread. Great idea anon.
As it stands unless someone can explain to me what makes her so special I say both Rika and Angry Manjew are far more deserving of her spot.
Can we change the space dandy image to this? Here he's actually in his usual outfit
Anyone against this?
We could swap him with chopper
You guys decide about Yuuko's position/Sakura and archer
Thanks, will change it
>I'm ok with anything that involves moving Sakura farther to the right/lower.
Maybe provide arguments for that? Because you just sound like a hater. Every time I visit these threads I see somebody bitching about the Madokas.
Compared to other characters on S65?
Hell, she's suffered even less than Kyoko and somehow is a spot above her. Having one shitty week is not equal to or worse than inadvertently killing your family and living a life of constant struggle to survive. If not five spots, she should at least be two lower
Sakura also murdered many many people. In her route she gets saved but there's no gaurantee that her route is canon, in the other routes her suffering could continue for an untold amount of time. Consider also that Sakura's suffering drover her insane while Archer's only caused extreme self loathing. Clearly she was more affected by her experiences.
>Maybe provide arguments for that? Because you just sound like a hater.
Shit he's on to me.
>Every time I visit these threads I see somebody bitching about the Madokas.
Also you're retarded.
But seriously Archer clearly suffered way more then Sakura. She was only raped for like a decade. He was forced to murder people for an eternity when all he wanted to do was save people.
She's only more effected because she has a child's willpower.
I think Nadeko should be pushed to the right of Aqua and the Haganai MC. Memes aside, neither of them threaten to murder/actually attempt to murder anyone.
As much as I hate Asshime, she does get choked, shot and spends 2 years in a coma, so her suffering should be higher.
Otherwise, she spent her life living in luxury while her people suffered in poverty and she never addresses that, she always talks about MUH EARTH and is insanely oblivious to the people around her
Actually I think she should be removed from the chart. She isn't a character memorable for her suffering or a memorable character at all, there's already Slaine from Aldnoah and it's not that popular of an anime to deserve 2 spots.
Switch Nyaa-tan with Akko on D:40 column. Akko hasn't had friends die yet.
Yuuko Amamiya right? It would ruin the impact if you don't see for yourself. She's from ef. But view spoiler at your own discretion. I'd rather you watch the series though. You'll get a better idea than my summary.
>in church orphanage at very young age
>gets pushed away by only person she gets attached to there
>goes to a stepbrother
>everything is ok for a while
>stepbrother gets resentful that he's caring for a replacement sister and not the real thing
>starts abusing her
>stabs, cuts, bruises, burns, etc
>this goes on for years
>eventually decides to rape her on Christmas
>she wanted to save virginity for love
>she eventually runs into guy from orphanage in high school
>step brother starts abusing and raping her more since he's a teacher and knows what's going on
>gets guy from orphanage to fall in love and confess
>eventually reveals her past to guy and shows her scarred battered body and starts going bananas and listing when and how each wound came from
>guy tries to confront brother but gets ass kicked and death threatened
>they both try eloping
>brother finds them pretty easily and continues to break guy's spirits
>brother takes girl back and eventually snaps and burns his house and himself with it
>girl finally free
>spend time watching over orphans and living life
>about to spend Christmas with love
>waits for him with scarf as present but gets hit by shitty Japanese driver and bleeds to death at church
>spends a decade or so as holy church ghost waiting for that time they were supposed to share on Christmas
>apparently this is the toned down anime version
This is the best summary I can offer from what I remember. It might be spot on or it might be missing some details. People say that her life was even worse in the VN if you could imagine. I don't know the details though. Oh and the guy I mentioned is 2 blocks below on the chart. He has his own suffering too.
Alright, how about this then?
So then I say Sakura should just be moved into the spot next to Archer, S90 D 45
I think there's no way sakura deserved her suffering more than Archer seeing as it started before she could even speak or think for herself. Archer's own choices led him to his fate, even if it was disproportional to his actions.
She deserved it based on her actions during Heaven's Feel. If you take a look at some of the other characters, the actions that made them deserve it come long after their suffering, Griffith for example.
>HURR THEY HAVE TO DIE MORE THAN ONCE
That doesn't make sense either. So suffering is measured by amount of times they died? By that logic all characters who haven't died or don't have extra continues or lifetimes or whatever shouldn't be anywhere near the top.
How is it fair that she is punished for actions that were caused by insanity she developed due to the punishment.?? Also it's not very clear if her actions were due to her own agency or due to the grail/Angra Mainyu's influence
How so? Did you read his manga?
His wife literally gets fucking jellyfied in front of him and he was starving on the street most of his early life. He ends up as fucking livestock for SERN. He also betrays Suzuha without knowing it and realizes when it's too late.
How is that not suffering very much? I don't know about comparisons but he certainly did suffer a bit. Also animefags got a completely neutered telling of his story.
Its very clear. Kotomine, who has also had close contact with Angra Mainyu, states very clearly that she is acting under her own accord.
Yeah. I remember not wanting to watch anymore after that certain revelation. I I wasn't prepared. It's a little campy at times but not bad of a series. I recommend watching them. But fuck I wanted these two to be happy. If I was Yuu (0, 90) I would have killed myself.
>swallowed by the mud
Just like Saber and Berseker who turned into completely existences after exposure to the grail's contents? Also the end of Heavens Feel contradicts Kirei because Shiriou stabs sakura with oathbreaker causing her to return back to normal. Clearly Mainyu was influencing her actions. Kirei is known for playing mindgames with people, he could just be latching onto a small grain of truth and inciting Sakura to overthink it. Which would make sense as it would worsen her mental state and accelerate ths birth of Angya Mainyu(I really can't spell that name gomen)
>I don't see Kurapika.
Whether or not she's being manipulated, she's still doing what she wanted. All the corruption did was give her the means to accomplish her goals. Angry Manjew gave her the push, but she still committed mass murder and did nothing to restrain herself.
It's better. I would have placed Nadeko at around S25, at least, but that's just me.
I just find the comparative suffering really out of whack in several places on the overall chart. Satoshi & Bert both at 30 for instance. Or Luluco all the way up at S45 when she just suffered puppy love & then gets a happy ending. Or Hisoka having a ball but apparently suffering as much as Gendo. But if you listened to the likes of me, the chart would never get finished.
Unless you haven't read Umineko, you should know why Erika's generally hated/loved and considered a great villain. Sure, she doesn't work on global scale as let's say Dio, but does that make her less deserving?
I agree that this is questionable, but it seems people always forget the whole getting left in the void by her master thing, which especially for Erika, had to be far worse than death. I'd place her lower than she used to be, but she undeniably went through suffering.
The fact that she would never have done those things if she hadn't suffered still stands. Regardless of how much angry mayo influended her actions,(which is reallly unclear) she was punished as a complete innocent. It's like locking someone up and torturing them and when they go crazy and hurt someone or something you use that as justification for locking them up in the first place.
Mikoto should not be higher than Accelerator. Who is the memelord that came up with that? She had one arc where she broke down and quickly returned to prancing around in her usual adventures.
Accelerator literally went through hell and back in WW3 to save his loli and got shit thrown his way ever since he was a kid. Mikoto should be 50 at best and I'd bump Accelerator up to 75/80 or higher, suffering wise.
I really don't understand the placement of many of the philosophers/authors on this chart, maybe I'm just missing out on some elaborate /his/ memes though.
Who's the disfigured man on 95/55?
>Regardless of how much angry mayo influended her actions,(which is reallly unclear)
For spending a time longer than the universe exists for being tortured until he was on the blink of death before being brought back just go through it all over and over again, presumably. I'd leave him at 95 though, it was an absurd amount of suffering, but it still wasn't eternal and ended at one point.
I wouldn't put in Beato, but I agree with Battler. Instead of Beato I'd go with
Yasu.Not that anyone's getting in at this point. I was complaining about Erika because she got in and was removed for a shallow reason.
I think Job Trunhit should be lowered in suffering, but probably kept at the same level of D. He managed to weasel his way out of a lot of trouble and only bit off more than he could chew at the very end.
I'm not sure Ohgi is there for meme status but if not he should probably be a bit lower than 100. He's a moron mostly, but in the end he was just listening to an enemy prince throw suspicions on his leader. Dumb, but not really evil or deserving of suffering as high as most
Honestly, Momoka shouldn't be that high on deserve. She didn't really do anything to deserve snek levels of suffering. Whoever placed her at 100 initially was probably insane.