Can more normal, everyday people enjoy Koe no Katachi? Not even

>>157657127
Not really. Koe no Katachi is for the advanced watcher.

>>157657127

Are you kidding? Normalfags loved KnK.

>>157657127
Yes but they'll spend half the movie thinking about how much they would love to punch ueno. I hate when people do that.

>>157657733
Which one?
Reminder that KnK > KnK > KnK

>>157657127

This movie seems like it was made for normal faggots anyway. I would never be caught watching this crap though.

>>157658453
Most people agree KnK was their favorite, but I really liked KnK. Good thing KnK stands up to both of these, and might even be better than KnK itself.

>>157657127
Yes. It was most popular with teenage girls. Over half the cinema audience were high school girls. Look it up.

>>157657127
>Not to mention that it's pretty much the pinnacle of "showing, not telling".

It was a terrible adaptation and made the characters personalities and motivations mere shadows of what they should have been.

>>157657127
>Realistic characters

Holy fucking shit, you have NEVER been outside.
This flick was fucking awful. It dramatises having a disability in such a fucking retarded way. One could even say it romanticises having a disability. It's melodramatic in the most awful fucking ways. The characters are NOT characters, their behavior is script catalysts for the most retarded dramatic events to happen. Nothing they do makes sense. And i'm not saying that in a "children/teens should be able to make rational decisions" way, i mean they literally don't act like people, regardless of what age they might be.

I mean, the story itself is already pretty shit but it's made even more fucking awful by Kyoani cutting out the little character development there was which caused characters like Mashiba(?) and Natsuyama (?) -- or whatever their fucking names were -- so fucking shallow.

Fat kid just seemed like a fucking lonely creep who doesn't actually understand what it means to connect to people and only clings to Shoya because he's the only one who was ever kind to his fat ass, yet talks as if he knows everything about friendship and has found a true friend, and red haired dude just comes out of nowhere, wants to be friends, then 20 minutes later on the bridge goes "I thought we were friends..."

This is an awfully paced, awfully realized adaption of already exploitative (topic) and pretty mediocre (writing) source material with incredibly beautiful animation

It's a 7 or 8/10 based on anime standards, and a 4/10 based on film standards.

If you seriously think this is good by any fucking means you should probably neck yourself, or watch some actual film that isn't a contrived piece of garbage

Kyoani upgraded the source material as usual, and manga readers are throwing the usual autistic fit.

>>157658604
Found the retarded autist who needs everything spoonfed to him.

>>157658615
Waiter, I didn't ask for this pasta.

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>>157658615

When is KyoAni ever going to be good again?

>>157658615
tl;dr

>>157658715
TSR sucked though.

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what did she mean by this?

>>157658690
No, it really is shallow if you don't add context of the manga. Who the fuck is that redhead even, for example? In the movie he comes from nowhere, says "Wanna be your friend", Shoya is like "Okay", then "You know nothing" and he leaves leaves after a total of 30 seconds of screentime, never to be seen again.

>>157658785
She didn't know how to react to Ishida coming out of nowhere, silly.

>>157658824
I haven't read the manga (couldn't care to either, there's nothing in the film that perplexed me). You're too concerned with irrelevant details. Textbook autism.

>>157658824
>n the movie he comes from nowhere, says "Wanna be your friend",
People don't need a reason to want to get along with others.

>>157657127
Can someone explain why they think these characters are "realistic"? Shouya in particular is like the least convincing depiction of depression and anxiety I've ever seen
>being depressed and anxious means moping around like a sad sack while piano music plays and beautiful pristine Kyoani visuals are everywhere
It's all so misguided

>>157658824
What is it so hard to get? Shouya was grasping for some air (new relationships with people), but then the situation turned sour again so he brushed him off.

>>157658960
Because they are.

>>157658785
She made exact 2 Faces, 1 for Greeting him and 1 for Telling him she is angry at him.

How would you convey this without beeing able to speak properly? She didnt knew he understands signlanguage at this point nor did she have a notebook with her.

The real question is what Ishida actually expected her to do when he introduced herself..Probably wasnt thinking at all as he was caught up in seeing her again.

>>157658960
They're not. If a weeb tells you characters are realistic, they're most likely basement dwelling pieces of shit who've never made a real human connection

>>157658960
Cause we all know depression presents the same way for everyone every time right

>>157658960
Did you forget about the whole self-isolation thing? The minimalist piano pieces accentuate Shouya's loneliness.

>>157658960
>t. unobservant sperg
Have you never been around depressed people or is it that you can't notice? Both Shouya and Shouko were acting exactly like depressed people would. And he wasn't just moping around.

Idiot.

>>157659061
Stop samefagging and projecting you silly little basement dweller.

>>157659061
More like when a weeb tells you the way a character acts is unconvincing, what they really mean is "i wouldn't act that way".

>>157657127
>Can more normal, everyday people enjoy Koe no Katachi?
That's who the film was most popular with. Aspies have problems understanding it and they complain about missing details from the manga (that aren't missing at all).

>>157657127
>Not even shitposting.
>Read: I'm shitposting.

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>>157657127
Watching anime makes you special not like others kid!

>>157657127
The normalfags over at RT seem to love it: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/a_silent_voice/

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is nishimiya the most beta person in existence? Holy fuck

Anime stopped being niche years ago. The same folks who'd fawn over ghibli films like when Marnie was here would are the ones who'd like this.

>>157659370
No. Bueno is just a bitch

>>157659370
>beta
That doesn't mean what you think it means.

they can enjoy it, but they will NEVER truly appreciate it.

a good majority of filthy ratty anime watching nerds and plebs can't really appreciate it either.

>>157659395
She's a very badly written character who actually believed she was a bad person who should die because she ruined all these great peoples lives

>>157659103
They really aren't accurate compared to other characters like Shinji or Satou or Tomoko or Punpun etc.
The problem is the slow, weepy awardsbait atmosphere and the preciously beautiful visuals are antithetical to the feelings it's trying to convey

>>157659490
Some people are exactly like that. Nothing poorly written about it.

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>>157659370
The whole point of her character was that she believed if she did nothing and smiled that problems with others will take care of themselves, when in reality it drove her into a corner with Shouya.

>>157659535
You have literally no idea what you're talking about you autist and the examples you cite prove it all the more.

>>157659370

Her whole reason to exist is to make the audience/reader feel bad for her. And I did feel sorry for her at first but in the end I was just tired of her being submissive 90% of the time.

>>157659490
But she's not even a badly written character, people that go through what she did legitimately believe they are bad people.

>>157659535
>The problem is the slow, weepy awardsbait atmosphere and the preciously beautiful visuals are antithetical to the feelings it's trying to convey
no

>>157659535
You've never felt that melancholic, lonely happiness? That for awhile, wallowing in your own misery gives you this strange sense of comfort?

>>157659582
There is no point to a character unless it's some sort of allegory or morality tale. Shouko is simply a very agreeable person by nature, someone who tries to get along with everyone and internalises every failure to do so. My father is exactly like that and he has been walked over dozens of times. He just can't learn, because that's how his personality is wired. And I know a lot of similar people.

Koe no Katachi is the finest autism filter we've had in a long time. It also explains why it's more popular with women since women are a lot less likely to be autistic.

>>157659820

>Koe no Katachi
>Not autistic

>>157659820
Delet this

>>157659760
The way I see it, Shouya and Shouko are two sides of the same coin. Shouko internalizes everything, while Shouya externalizes everything (pushes everyone away). Their relationship fell apart because Shouko wouldn't push Shouya to open up to her while Shouya wouldn't let Shouko in.
Your father sounds like a great guy

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>>157659760
I'm like that in real life. It's very painful and I hate it

>>157659862
This.
>>157659820
I am an Asperger Autist and understood everything this movie wanted to tell me. I liked it, but it was not satisfying.

>>157659595
The examples I cited are so intensely accurate to these kinds of feelings that people became passionate fans of them for years to come. You can already see that nobody cares about Shouya like that, and people only care about Shouko in the same way they care about Rikka or Chitanda, because she's the moe meme girl carefully manufactured by Kyoani. Basically Koe no Katachi failed to connect with these dark feelings - because it wasn't really trying to. It's just trying to be a big beautiful prestigious film that makes normies cry, and it can't capture any darkness in this accessible form

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Yuzuru is the only one with common sense from all those crazy bitches

>>157659820
You know Yamada is autistic right

>>157660070
Tomoko? GTFOutta here. And most people just get annoyed at Shinji and fawn over Asuka or Rei. (Plus, Evangelion is the kind of series that spoonfeeds you the inner life of the characters in monologues.)
The only pertinent examples you gave are Punpun and the novel version of Satou.

But regardless of other fictional characters, Shouya is acting exactly like a depressed person would. He is withdrawn, he projects his own low opinion of himself onto others thinking they feel the same way of him (see for example the scene where he imagines others badmouthing him when they're in fact talking about the zeppelin flying outside), and emotionally deflated. There's plenty of depressed teenagers just like him.

>>157657127
Yeah I think anyone can enjoy it. Critics may be more divided, seems like a more controversial film.

>>157660148
(not true by the way: from interviews she comes off as extremely empathetic, one of her chief concerns being what the characters feel and feel like)

>>157660506
>Critics may be more divided, seems like a more controversial film.
See
>>157659325

it was lacking visual effects

>>157658727
Hurr durr, side characters got axed. Meoldrama and contrived scenarios for emotional moments and again, melodrama.

I don't fully agree though, I thought the movie was pretty cohesive with its main motif, even more than the source. Still the film did have some problems as the other /a/non describes, except with the part that suicide and disability being romanticized.

>>157660581
I guess my idea of anime critics has been coloured by anon.

>>157660148
Citation needed.

>>157658615
This pasta is stupid but i still love the "It's a 7 or 8/10 based on anime standards, and a 4/10 based on film standards"

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>>157660075
best tsundere

>>157660724
I like that and where he says Natsuyama.

>>157659966
I'm with you /a/non, let's jump off a balcony together.

>>157660635
tl;dr

>>157657127
It's a bullying drama which normalfags love, it's not an overwhelming story.

>>157658599
I have the same taste as high school girls. Only they live in another country.

>>157657127
>there are """"""""""people"""""""""" on this board RIGHT NOW who think this was a good movie
Kimi no na wa was shit too

>>157661567
Normalfags love bullying drama? I love it but i thought it was only because i was the one being bullied

>Can more normal, everyday people enjoy Koe no Katachi?
It's the 4th highest rated anime on mal, the 23rd highest rated manga on mal and in the top 20 highest rated anime on letterboxd.

>>157659582
I do that but no one walks over me. They just don't interact with you at all.

>>157657127
No, because there's no kiss.

>>157661567
Normalfags love romanticizing the victim and making them perfect and blameless. This film instead shows that Shouko suffered so much in part because she was so passive.

>>157660506
Here are the highest rated anime films among cinephiles based on a film site:

1. Spirited Away
2. Princess Mononoke
3. Grave of the Fireflies
4. My Neighbor Totoro
5. Your Name
6. Perfect Blue
7. Akira
8. Princess Kaguya
9. Millennium Actress
10. Wolf Children
11. Howl's Moving Castle
12. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
13. Kiki's Delivery Service
14. Castle in the Sky
15. Mind Game
16. Whisper of the Heart
17. Angel's Egg
18. A Silent Voice
19. Paprika
20. Tokyo Godfathers
21. Only Yesterday
22. The Wind Rises
23. Ghost in the Shell
24. Porco Rosso
25. Patlabor 2

>>157661917
but can you really be mad at her for being passive, Sure she isn't flawless but why attack her? It'd be different if she was ugly

>>157661735
Yes they do, there was this recent netflix show about a similar topic and everybody was praising the shit out of it.
>>157661917
It's pretty easy to just ignore Shouko's errors and victimize her, do you think people not do that?

>>157659061
I'm no film major but even I can spot a projector this big. Having gone through high school myself like a regular human being, the characters were pretty realistic to me.
>Hot girl who is flirty and outgoing but is really just a vindictive jealous cunt
>Fat, loveable, but kinda dumb best friend who always means well and is understanding
>Girl who always plays the victim and cries about it to get someone shunned
>Girl who always apologizes for everything and causes people to hate her out of jealousy
>Boy who was a bully in elementary but wants to reform much to the hate of his old group who don't want things to change
It all checks out. Stop having a frail ego that requires you to project at others on a Taiwanese silk weaving board

>>157661917
Shouko was unhappy because she blamed herself for everything tho, the fact that its a self-improvement film doesnt mean it blames the victim ffs

This movie sucked and I wanted to punch everybody except that bitch girl with long black hair and purple eyes. It was boring and I hated pink from the first time I saw her. Why was red even there, such a rando.
At least the bullying was entertaining. I'm depressed too but only sometimes related to mc, something seemed off.

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>>157661963
I mean those are all good movies but rated by what?
This list seems redundant, all what matters is that its part of them because subjective enjoyment will vary a lot across different people.

>>157658615
Do you really expect me to read all that shit?

>>157662125
>Call characters by their hair color outside harem shows
>Likes the worst human being in the movie
Either home schooled or autistic

>>157661963
Aggregators are just popularity rankings.

>>157661963
delet this

>>157662006
Because they couldn't understand her, anon. Kids are ruthless and will tear you apart for being slightly different from them.

>>157662117
The message of the film was that you need to listen to others and to speak your feelings. Shouko didn't speak out about her troubles which resulted in everyone around her suffering. It's not COMPLETELY Shouko's fault as she wants to believe, but she is part of the reason why.
Remember that it took Shouko beating the shit out of Shouya to make him realize what he was doing was really hurting her.
>ffs
Don't do that

>>157662303
>>157662151
>oh no the movie is well received
>better think of ways to dismiss this

>>157662322
adults do that too. That's why neets exist.

Most people in my cinema seemed quite normie

>>157662341
I already admitted I was wrong, doesn't change the fact the movie social media tells us nothing besides popularity.

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>>157661730
what did u just say

>>157662755
is that movie actually good. Just finished koe no katachi now between watching Kimi, blame! and tsuki ga kirei help me weebs I'm lost.

>>157662856
>I'm lost

You sure are.
Kimi

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>>157662341
What, that wasnt meant as dismissal, im just saying a List of movies who are so vastly different serves no purpose especially if you dont provide critera by which its ordered.

I enjoyed the Movie a lot and for me personally this movie is much more important then most of those on the list but without some frame of reference my personal opion doesnt matter and nor does this list.

>>157663171
And a list of 25 good movies that includes the movie in question is just evidence that the movie is good.

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>>157661963
>mfw Yamada's non-franchise debut film btfo Miyazaki, Shinkai, Hosoda and Takahata's debut films.
Angel's Egg, Perfect Blue and Mind Game are probably still the best standalone debut films in anime though.

>>157663145
Is the BD out yet

>>157663736
End of July, I think

>>157663469
Yamada is pretty ugly to be quite honest family. And something tells me she is very afraid of men.

>>157657127
what massage ?

>>157663961
You sound like a projecting hambeast.

>>157664182
But I'm a skinny guy...

>>157664093
I would give Ueno a massage if you know what I mean

https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2017/05/25/koe-no-katachi-in-between-checker-interview/

>Fujita: I was incredibly fixated on how Shouya walked. As soon as Nishiya-san drew the image of Shouya, before the in-between work itself started, everyone on staff was continually practicing how he walked in order to capture that feeling. High school Shouya walks with a hunched back and drooping shoulders, and his body looks as if he has no ambitions at all; it’s a completely different walk from when he was in elementary school. The way someone walks is part of their personality and character, and everyone was able to share a common image of how he moved before we began the in-betweening stage. That allowed us to bring together a near common representation. This isn’t something that we’d done for a TV series before, so this is one way we worked together to increase the quality of this entire movie.

>>157658641
This.
The manga was good at first but the last third tried to tell the stories of the supporting characters that no one had any reason to give a shit about.
The adaptation stuck to Ishida and his ability to forgive himself which it should have
I don't know about anyone else but KnK's ending third was so disappointing that it almost ruined the whole manga for me. I'm glad the director did what she did with it.

>>157659535
People who have never experienced depression or anxiety that mostly stems from self-loathing and hate will not be able to relate to MC.

>>157659820
This story was meant to like by females.

>Typical sweet girl incapable of being mean to anyone and is actually very attractive but as something that makes people around her hate her
>She as self destructive tendencies
>Falls in love with a guy that is or was cruel to her
>All the pretty/popular girls around her are two faced jealous bitches that just pretend to be polite/cute
>Only other unpopular girls side with her

On top of that the story is ridiculously melodramatic.

>no one mentioning the manga should have stayed a one-shot yet
Guess nobody here's read it, huh?

>>157664575
I think your post is the usual autistic fit he was talking about.
>>157664610
Sorry, change "hate" to "guilt"

>>157664575
You just proved anon´s statement

>>157663961
Can you elaborate on this?

>>157664635
The one shot was worse than the manga.

>>157664474
I think an even bigger problem with the manga was the loud and forceful tone and how it created a dissonance with the delicate thematic material of guilt, forgiveness and redemption. I really liked how mellow the film was for most of its run and how it focused more on visual storytelling over exposition and monologues.

>>157664619
I guess i actually was a cute girl after all

>>157663469
>Yamada's non-franchise debut film btfo Miyazaki
First off
1. "non-franchise debut" is a silly distinction used only for cherry picking this movie.
2. You're just plain wrong

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>>157664742

Aren't we all?

>>157664575
P L E B

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>>157657127
Does this pencil represent his dick?

>>157664635
The oneshot isn't very interesting. It just feels like a "raising awareness" type thing about deaf people and bullying, and not much more

>>157664733
I liked how the film didn't show them trying to make that stupid movie. God that shit was terrible.

>>157664769
The list does't have franchise films and it's actually more important for Hosoda, Oshii and Miyazaki who worked on Toei, UY and Lupin films for quite a while. Actually I take it back because I forgot Nausicaa was Miyazaki's standalone debut film even though I don't like it.

>Can people enjoy this anime movie that was released in theatres for the general public with a movie pamphlet that included an extra manga chapter of the same series?

gee I dunno OP.

>>157664702
She tones down any masculine trait in her characters (this is extremely obvious with every male in Tamako Market/Love Story). And she has frequently mentioned that she is more comfortable working with women.

>>157664619
>Falls in love with a guy that is or was cruel to her
Now I feel bad for liking the movie. Why do girls always go for the assholes and not the nice guys like me? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>157658641

I reed the manga first but I have to agreed.

The manga was promising but end up overstay it's welcome.

>>157665149
Fucking this.
What do the mangafags see in that last half?

>>157665077
I'm pretty sure she said that she prefers female animators because they have a better grasp of softness or whatever. I don't even remember which interview that was.

She also has a husband and her senpai is a man.

>>157665211
Go back to tumblr you brainwashed moron.
Fucking delusional SJWs...

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>>157665077
>(this is extremely obvious with every male in Tamako Market/Love Story)
You can say that again

>>157665286
>>>/pol/
>>>/v/

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>>157665349

>>157665286
Is this bait or are there still people who actually think they're in the right with posts like this?

>>157665228
She prefers working with females all the time, not just animators. And yes, female animators will have a better intuitive understanding of feminine moods and will be better able to depict that in animation. Yamada clearly shies away from anything masculine.

>She also has a husband
Goon for her. I bet he's emasculated as fuck.

>>157665286
>responding to bait that obvious

anon...

>>157663961
>>157665077
Based Yamakan saved anime once again.

>>157665356
Nothing to do with /pol/ or /v/. It's basic facts.
>>157665414
Bait? I should ask you that. The human species is sexually dimorphic. I don't think I am in the right. I am absolutely certain I am in the right. It's like denying gravity. You have to be delusional or a lying ideologue to state that sex differences don't exist.

>>157658785
Holy fuck that's just the cutest thing I've ever seen

Shouko confirmed best girl

>>157665077

Your comment would make sense if it was made some years ago and not in am era where only a handful of male characters look masculine.

>>157665456
do you have a childhood trauma?

>>157665201
You have tons of mangafags explaining in paragraphs but you apparently can't read for shit.

>>157665686
No.

>>157663961
Fucking Yamakan

>>157665662
It's not just looks. It's their demeanour too. The bishounen in other titles act like guys usually.

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>>157665437
>fujo fantasy

>>157665077
How does this translate to 'being very afraid of men'?

>you wil never sex nishimoya inside the pooper while she makes silly retard potato sounds trying to say it feels good

>>157664635
It's been said eight billion times, I think everyone's gotten tired of saying it at this point.

>>157665939
This confirms everything I said about her. She's just rationalising it away by trivialising the differences between the sexes.

>>157665977
That's not an answer.
>(As usual, /a/ lives up to its autism.)
Is this supposed to be ironic?

When was the class reunion of the last chapter supposed to happen? I sort of got the feeling it was after a timeskip of some years but then they also made it sound like it was right after they graduated from highschool ( the nigga even kept calling her nishimiya instead of using shouko)

>>157666172
It's the coming of age ceremony, which is 20.

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>>157665940

>>157666065


Anon you are arguing with someone that post shit like this >>157665286 and mean it.

Jesus, what incredibly boring bait

is Yamada a lesbian?

>reddit spacing
You have to go back. You know who you are, not going to give you any (you)s.

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was Yuzu even old enough for the coaster

>>157665211
If I remember the interview correctly, I think it was more that she "wrote" the characters focusing more on the universally human traits, as opposed to masculinity or femininity.

>>157666296
No, but she has pedophilic lesbian tendencies

>>157666392
>>157666294
>>157666194
>>157665286
>>157665211
>>157665356

All of you, fuck off.

>>157666294
The world doesn't care that a small subset of americans decided that the definition of gender changed. It hasn't changed outside of your bubble.

>>157666387
>pedophilic
wat?

>>157657127
Oneshot wasn't a mistake.
Everything else was.

>>157666513
Movie>>>Manga>>One shot

>>157666510
The overlap between them is so great the difference is irrelevant (to anyone that isn't a feminist nut or the like). You're clutching at straws, literally.

>>157666639
This anon is correct.
>>157666513
This anon has shit taste.

>>157666639
This

>>157666058
Woah, where can I find your blog?

>>157667297
Nowhere.

>>157666639
One-shot > manga ? movie (didn't watch).

>>157667354
Nice pasta

>>157667297
/pol/

>>157667561
>>157667354
I said fuck off. You're not even discussing anime or manga at all, you're just running with this argument about real-world bullshit because the director happened to say something that was vaguely reminiscent of that.

>>157667354
>Sex is one thing, gender is another.
Made up bullshit differences pulled out of feminists' asses a couple decades ago with no basis in reality. Doesn't matter what you call it.

>>157667625
It's relevant to the discussion. Sorry it triggers you.

>>157667561
So you're saying you can't choose your gender identity? If i like pink and princesses then im a women even if i have a dick and say i want to be male?

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>this thread

MODS

>>157667720
>socially and psychologically they tend to be very similar
Not true either. I can link studies for hours anon. But that guy will get triggered like mad because his worldview is shattering before his eyes. You can look up the gender equality paradox yourself. It will help you a lot in having a more accurate understanding of reality.

>>157667625
>>157667829
Typical SJW. Gets BTFO, cries for mods to hide the fact.

Sahara is a trans girl

>>157667848
Well yeah, thats exactly what i think, even if there are some obvious tendencies involving genres "gender identity" is just bullshit

>>157667830
Go ahead and link them, I'll be here for hours.

>>157667561
Social gender roles have roots in biology, but the enforcement is done by society.
And performed gender is another thing. You can act according to different typical gender roles.
But anyway, experienced gender by the individual does not follow sex, gender roles or performed gender, and this type of gender is not a social construct.
Actually I believe there to be two different types of biological gender influencing performed gender roles as well. We have what you mentioned, that are there from birth, but if we listen to the experiences of many trans people, they can report changed behavior and preferences after hormones, which leads me to believe there are both deep gender in the brain, and more easily changable gender performance that's just caused by hormones.
I think my point is that experienced gender is not something society can change, so it's not a social construct, and it's not determined by sex, even though there are strong tendencies towards male sexed people percieving themselves as male and the same for females. But they are not one thing, because for some people it's different.

>>157667932
I believed the sister to be a trans boy, and I'm still considering the idea but need to rewatch the movie to see if there is anything to support it.

>>157668251
There's nothing to support your delusions, sorry.

>>157668083
How you experience life has nothing to do with your gender, you can like wearing dresses and sucking dick and that doesn't change that you are a male, and it shouldn't, because thats a social construct and everybody should do what they want, SJWs have double standards.

>>157668304
>looks, acts, and sounds like a boy
>author is a hardcore liberal
Makes sense

>>157668007
>The Distance Between Mars and Venus: Measuring Global Sex Differences in Personality
>The idea that there are only minor differences between the personality profiles of males and females should be rejected as based on inadequate methodology.
The article is on plos.

>Gender Stereotypes of Personality subtitle: Universal and Accurate?
>Abstract
>"...Perceived gender differences were fairly consistent across nations and target age groups and mapped closely onto assessed sex differences in self- and observer-rated personality. Associations between the average size of perceived gender differences and national variations in sociodemographic characteristics, value systems, or gender equality did not reach statistical significance. Findings contribute to our understanding of the underlying mechanisms of gender stereotypes of personality and suggest that perceptions of actual sex differences may play a more important role than culturally based gender roles and socialization processes."

(can't link because hiro thinks it's spam)

>>157668304
That she introduced herself as a boy made me start to consider it. And at one point there was A LOT of words gendering her as female, at least in the subs. I was thinking that was a hint that she didn't like to be gendered like that. But maybe I'm projecting, because I hate when people use gendered words, so maybe I read too much meaning into it. Oh, there is also that she has short hair.

Also, there is one character in Tamako Market I'm fairly sure is a transwoman, which would show that it is something Yamada is aware of and could consider including in her anime.

>>157668457
I knew she was a girl since the first moment i saw it tho

>>157668551
It's called being a tomboy my sjw friend.

>>157666058
It was a pretty good depiction of a guy with severe depression. I saw a lot of myself in him which only made me more depressed. I doubt I get the good end though. The other guy seemed like a faggot.

>>157668551
You mean Yuzuru? She was just pretending to be Shouko's boyfriend to get Shouya to fuck off.
Kaoru is definitely trans though.

>>157668551
Or she acts like a boy (specifically in this case boyfriend) so that her pretty fragile sister doesn't get taken advantage of by the infinite number of bullies that she seems to attract.

>>157668551
Japan doesn't take LGBT as seriously as you might think.
They're mostly still conservative and their average view of gays still come from comedy or sexual material. Even more liberal Japanese authors wouldn't take this kind of gender stuff in mind as opposed to authors in the west.

why are kyoanibros so delusional?
your movie is shit just accept it

>>157668632
I agree that it was a good depiction of a guy with depression. But this is an adapted story, so Yamada had a base to work from. That's why I mentioned Tamako Market as an example instead, because that one is anime original.

(Not trying to dismiss her as an artist/director by the way. I am simply making note of one of her quirks.)

>>157668837
It's not shit, it's just ok

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>>157668837
Im gonna let you in on a little secret:
Grown up people dont need the approval of others to enjoy something.

>>157668714
>>157668704
She could have said many other tings instead, and I don't think saying you are the other gender would be the first thing to come to mind to most people, unless it's something that's on their mind. Also, she kept the lie up for really long. She may have liked being refered to as male, and because of that just avoiding mentioning she is a girl to keep this going for longer, until she felt that she had to reveal it.
But like I said, I need to rewatch it to see exactly how this segment goes and if it still holds up if I watch it while paying close attention to this idea.

>>157669419
Go ahead and rewatch it but you're already brainwashed by liberal trash so you'll see what you want to see. Yuzuru is a trans boy, Shoya is asexual, Ueno is a demi-aromantic queertransman. Pedro is a transwhitemidget.

>>157669419
This anon got it right >>157668704
You're overthinking it.

>>157669537
>liberal trash
Hey, I am a liberal and I take offence to all that.

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>>157667354
Please kill yourself at your soonest convenience

>>157664923
kek fuck you anon I feel so bad for laughing at that

>>157657127
I enjoyed it for the cute girls

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>>157663736
>>157663909
Wait until the end of July, and watch BDRip. The ones out there right now are shit.

I watched it with my Girlfriend and some of her friends in my local Mall.
Having never read the manga, I found the flick fucking terrible, I felt the Characters werent nearly as developed as they should have been and the MC is an awful representation of a depressed person with social anxiety imo. (or maybe that's how depression works in nipland?)
Either way i'm disappointed considering the hype around the film in my country.

>>157665090
Real answer that's a redpill meme but just as true?
Nice guys are attainable and seen as weak subconsciously because of that. Nice guys would get pushed around and dominated by "bad boys" back at our last programming revision.

Civilization rose and developed at a much faster rate than evolution could recognize and adjust for. Our coding simply does not acknowledge that "nice guys" are an asset at this point. Maybe in 10k years there will be enough of a change- but that's only if the "nice guy" environment is sustainable (probably not).

The best lesson a "Nice guy" can learn when dealing with women is to say no. Not because they want to, but because that's how you trick the programming into making yourself seem more appealing. It's dumb but it really works.

>>157677540
To further this, I found the cinematography boring, it was too cookie cutter? if that makes sense?
Is it really that hard for anime direction to have the same flair of let's say an Iwai or Sono film?

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>>157677540
>MC is an awful representation of a depressed person with social anxiety imo. (or maybe that's how depression works in nipland?)
Maybe you have an awful idea of depression and anxiety in your head?

>>157677727
Well, to put things into perspective my opinion of a well written depressed character is the main character from Manchester by the Sea.

>>157662008
13 Reasons Why is a meme. It wasn't even a good show.

>>157657127
She deserved it. Dumb bitch.

>>157677540
Judging by your friend circle, I really don't think the film was intended for your demographic.

As someone who has no friends and was bullied a lot in school I really liked the film. The characters were underdeveloped compared to a TV series or manga but it's a 2 hour movie adapted from a 60 chapter manga so I wasn't expecting much.

I liked the manga more, but will be rewatching the film. 8.75/10.

>>157677727
I thought it did social anxiety well for both characters. Including for side character girl. Ueno definitely also has a personality disorder can't identify it though maybe histrionic

>>157677718
I don't know how you could say this lacked flair.

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>>157657127
>tfw now an uenofag after seeing all these newfags and normies jump on the Shoukotrain

>>157681322
So you are just a contrarian?

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>movie about a deaf girl
>has an incredible soundtrack
What did KyoAni mean by this?

>>157682657
"Treasure your hearing."

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>>157658615
It's not that much of a stretch. There are lots of kids that are pretty fucking stupid at that age. Hormones do funny things.

And hey.. it gave us other things.

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>>157658615
thanks anon now take your shit opinion and go fuck yourself

>>157657127
I think it's easier to show and not tell when it comes to animation
with animation you can convey all sorts of meanings that are made with the intent of being understood by the audience
also I thought the message was relatable, that you have to move forward from your mistakes, forgive yourself for what you did and try to lead a better life
I can only think a viewer would be overwhelmed by the visuals, the music, and the tone of the voices for the characters
I think it's fine as long as you're focused and actually pay attention to whats happening

also I just saw it, I thought it was pretty good, loved that ending scene

>>157662755
>defending Keit-Ai the Film
You kids really believe in meme magic, don't you?

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post rare shoukos

>>157658453
>>157660726
Aoi Yuuki is a god

>>157659370
How does she tie her hair in a knot like that? I can't do that.

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>>157665387
>Promo art shows her with cut hair
>she doesn't cut her hair in the movie
YES I'M MAD

>>157658615
As someone who bullied some autistic kid in middle school and am a little bit older than the characters were after the time skip I can confirm that they are very unrealistic.

>>157685595
If you keep posting it then it's not rare anymore.

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>>157685672
Jesus, these days you can guess it's gonna be Aoi without even needing to hear the voice.
>character description: Smug little girl

Sure they can, anon. I've watched Chihiro with my grandma and she loved it, why wouldn't she like Koe no Katachi?

As long as the movie has a touching message and a good animation, people will enjoy it.

>>157686101
I watched Animatrix with my parents, so I know who to blame for all my problems in life.

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I want to protect this innocent and beautiful disabled qt from the evil of this world.

I want to gently fuck Yuzuru

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>>157658615
>flick
Back to >>>/tv/

>>157658615
Dang, dude, you look like my kind of guy! Now ī want to watch KnK

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>>157658615
>neck yourself
Wow, you must be the edgiest teenager in your class. Seriously, just say, "Kill yourself."

>>157657127
I like the theme, but as a whole is a shit movie, entertaining but shit. havent read the manga, I've been thinking on doing so just to appreciate how much was left behind.

The ending just ruined it all:

Oh yes! we can be friends lets all heal together. I can suspend my disbelief for one or to people trying to get their shit together and ask for forgiveness after this mess and MAYBE reinitiate their relationship.
But all of the implicated on the bullying getting together like some pop band reunion its extremely unbelievable. It cries "we want a happy ending no matter the costs", and it doesnt stop at that, Why stop at shoya shekoning he's been an stupid ass and doing something about it? Lets have'em all doing so while shitting rainbows!

I liked Shoya growing the balls to trying to make things right and showing that his acts had consequences, that's all

I started crying when she fucking ishida and say I diloid muy biise

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>>157657127
This movie was shown to a couple of schools in Japan last year

>>157677718
I might have believed you until you posted this garbage of a post. Nice try, mangabot. The directing was fantastic.

>>157677803
>my idea of a depressed person is another fictional character with totally different circumstances
So you have no idea what you're talking about. Good to know.

>>157680833
No, Ueno is just a normal girl, slightly cynical.

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I liked it. Unreasonable that someone would easily forgive that, but whatever.

>>157659370
>tfw you will never get a comatose succ