Kaido has scars and has been defeated or captured in numerous occasions. Everything we have seen about Big Mom in the flashback suggests she has been heavily underestimated so far.
I mean, I know that Caramel thought that Big mom was misunderstood, but jesus christ, it's completely understandable why anyone would want to kill her. She just destroyed a village out of hunger and proved to be completely incompatible with the culture of the Giants.
There's no guarantee that next time she'll be able to control herself in the next fasting. Innocent people's lives were threatened. I mean, dude, I hate to bring it up, but remember Harambe? Harambe was shot even though he was doing MUCH less. Think of Big Mom as like a rampaging animal that truly means no harm, but still has to be brought down because they're too much of a potential danger.
Nah, he just mentions that briefly. Might have happened during his youth. Or he could let it happen deliberately, because he was tired of living. We'll never know until we get to Kaido's own flashback arc.
Oda said Kaido is the strongest creature in land, sea, and air.
Big Mom doesn't seem like she is so strong under water.
Yeah my point was that he most likely let it happen deliberately. Him being captured seems like a non-argument to me, though the scars might be valid.
It is really hard to say what'd happen if Big Mom were to be executed, would she survive her own execution, too? Or can she simply not die when her Horcrux is active?
If she gets bleeding knees just from having the photo destroyed it's possible her defense drops to 0 and is just very high before that, but she isn't untouchable.
>she has been heavily underestimated so far
she's one of the four most powerful pirates in the world, it's not her fault this fanbase is completely retarded and can't understand plainly stated facts
I swear giants are the biggest jobber in one piece.
When they first introduce on the dinosaur island, they were toss around, bound and gaged by a bunch of devil fruit user.
Then in eneis lobby, they got jobbed by a bunch of people who make ships for living.
Then marineford, the biggest giant in the world (maybe) Oars Jr wreck the marineford giant squad, only to get jobbed by people that are smaller than him. But they were Shichibukai to be honest, until you realised it was Moria, the insulting weak pirate that was defeated by strawhat who deliver the finishing blow.
Of course, there's also that giant who finished the shield guy in dressrosa. He was basically getting his ass kick until plot armor kicked in and made an ass pull.
What is with giant creatures that gets easily wrecked by small people in this manga?
I don't doubt he is physically the strongest. Like he could probably lift the most.
But until we see just what Kaido can do it's hard to say. Big Mom is looking pretty unstoppable at this particular moment.
In either case, Brook clearly gets his job done.
>Of course, there's also that giant who finished the shield guy in dressrosa. He was basically getting his ass kick until plot armor kicked in and made an ass pull.
Lol if you remeber he broke a fuckton of bones just to deliver a blow, even if he won he still jobbed.
inb4 power creep
>Dorry and Broggy were much stronger in their past. Like their weapons, their skills have waned considerably!
Like Arlong and Crocodile, who survived in the New World and got beaten in Paradise by Luffy, they've probably actually been stronger all along.
Kaido wrecked 3 entire Supernova crews by himself in their territory when they should have homeplate advantage.
Kidd looked like fucking shit while Kaido didn't look like he received any kind of damage at all.
And we did see Kaido survive a fall from thousands of feet in the air without any problems.
Arlong was just as strong in East Blue as he was ever shown to be elsewhere...the Fishman Pirates were never even shown to be a strong crew, most of their importance has always been explicitly stated as being political
Also, it's much easier for fishman to be a threat when they are fighting in the Grand Line because there's water everywhere, whereas in Arlong Park, it was all land-based combat
well if you remember, kaido first appear before kidd, apu and strawman. Then the next time we see kidd, he is locked behind iron cage with kaido watching him outside the cage. We can assume kidd took the damage while the other 2 escape, or the other two are probably locked somewhere else.
Dunno, but there was "discussion" whether it's him or not.
>they don't know about silly pirate games
I can't imagine they have any chance of taking her down.
I feel like the whole purpose of Moms flashback is actually to show how terrifying she really is and how bad the Strawhats underestimated her.
It doesn't really help that most giants just seem to rely on their sheer size.
To be honest their weakness is only from our perspective and what little we've seen, most giants are gonna crush crowds of normal sized fodder, but there's a limit to be met once they reach the likes of skilled DF users and haki users.
I'll note that there's still a lot of good feats they've showed. Even when they were first introduced, two of them still came around and tossed a massive sea giant that even the combined strawhats couldn't defeat at the time. San Juan wolf's size alone makes him automatically strong. And Oars Jr was strong, but had the bad luck of having to face multiple strong foes.
Keep in mind that we haven't even really met a skilled haki using giant yet. We already seen what a haki monster such as pic related can do. I can't even imagine the sheer potential destruction that a big ass haki using giant can cause.
Even now, the giants that have been crushed by Big Mom are mere villagers, most of whom aren't that skilled at fighting. But still, remember how Big Mom stressed how important it was for her to have her daughter marry a giant. She was so sure that she'd gain so much power from Elbaf.
For her to even think this, would mean that she views it as a place with an EXTREME amount of power. Think about that, that a yonkou wanted to so badly get a good relation with this country and gain their military. It'd mean that Elbaf's able to go to war with a yonkou and damage them. The combined might of Elbaf and a yonkou would be presumably too much.
So yeah, Giants may not have had many good feats, but don't underestimate them too much. They're a rarity and the most powerful ones are undoubtedly in Elbaf.
>WB wanted a family & resorts to adopting them
>BM has a family, but has no idea how to treat them well
Kaidou lost his family, resulting in his suicidal tendencies?
BB has no idea what a family is and has no intention to find out?
>big mom was powerful as fuck when she was a child
How fucked are luffy and friends?
Weird chapter and character background to say the least...
>big mom defeated the full giant warrior pirates at the age of 6
Rip luffy and friends
Yeah, but the strongest ones were old dudes, meant to keep the peace in a little village. Remember Rayleigh? He's old too and he mentioned that he's not a strong as he once was.
Regardless, my point still stands. Elbaf is powerful if Big Mom wants their military and even outright thinks that she'd crush the rest of the Yonkous with it.
lol, semla is an actual pastry in scandinavia and finland
Maybe, but then /pol/lacks will tell you that they hide their identity superficially but these names are actually coded and something something internationales Finanzjudentum.
It's not a One Piece thing. Huge strong characters are easy to write as jobbers because they're literally huge and strong. You have something else defeat them and now that regular sized character has the same strength hype.
Im not going to go hunt the panel down but she literally tells Caesar exactly that. Big Kids that are her size is why she wanted Caesar to make kids giant. Probably to trying to figure out what the fuck she is subconsciously.
The dude is 1.8m high.
The small one, I mean, who is the father of the giant dude.
Just this. I thought we will now get a reason to feel sorry for her. But it's just that she was a spoiled child all the time and no one ever dared to say something against her. Also asspull
>5year old girl kills all the giants hurr durr
Wait, what? Did Mr. 3 just BTFO two legendary Giant Warrior Pirate CAPTAINS at the same time?
What kind of shitty writting is this?
Why can't Oda let me hate Big mom without mixed feeling?
It kinda does.
Both of BM main dreams are related to what we saw in this chapter. She got the idea of uniting all races under one country from sister Carmel and the eye to eye stuff is directly related to giants because it was thanks to them that she for the first time interacted with people her own size or bigger.
About BM destroying at least part of the village isnt so much a knock on the giants side as it is to hype BM as a one of a kind super freak. As some other people mentioned giants make for great jobbers but at the same time the only actual warrior that we can see in that scene is still up and possibly about to kill her before Carmel probably dies to save her or something.
This chapter also opens up what is probably going to be the way the SHs get out of all of this by having Sanji and possibly Pudding depending on how things go with her bake some of that sweet for BM.
why the fuck did carmel not correct big mom and kept forgiving her? most children aren't capable of understanding complex concepts like sympathy, forgiveness etc. she needed to be dealt with sternly. carmel's the reason linlin is a spoilt little piece of shit.
I thought something about the prince guy seemed familiar
Maybe Big Mom ended up fucking him and the woman is their kid
>So she can wait literal months without sweets/eating
It's probably leading into Carmel's death, which will also stop the rage. Else how does it end? It also leads well into why the picture being smashed is such a trigger for BM as Carmel is being "harmed" again.
Killing Ace was more of a political message than anything. "Hey we killed the Pirate King's son hahaha"
They also had pretty much every marine they could spare to stand guard too.
This was almost a century ago, for all we know the Marines were much weaker than they are now
Also going by Big Mom desperately wanting that Elbaf alliance
Full might off Elbaf > Whitebeard and allies
Well then. New nakama, I guess.
>Loki didn't fall in love with Lola at all. He knew that she would run away (or he manipulated her into running away) and that Big Mom would try and fool them with Chiffon, thus angering the giants even more.
>Cavendish got permabanned from his kingdom for making women only fall in love for him
>Big Mom fucked the orphan kids for her spawn
>Mother Caramel gets executed instead of BM
>Giant Loli a qt
It's not a guarantee but I would be willing to bet on it. But either way whatever happens BM wouldnt be able to stay in Elbaf after this and I dont see Carmel leaving the orphanage because of one child. So yeah Carmel's dying and BM being expelled again is by far the safest bet right now.
>Full might off Elbaf > Whitebeard and allies
Depends. I imagine Whitebeard's earthquake could btfo an army of giants, at least the fodder.
And Whitebeard could have easily sunk Marineford, but he chose not to for obvious reasons.
Holy fuck could you imagine if his nose got bigger and more red as he aged?
He has the same eye bags and the same eye design. Childhood freckles go away sometimes when skin gets tanned.>>157645463
Following this theory I bet this is the father of Opera and the quintuplets
In one of the old nordic tales, Thor loses his hammer and it is found by an ice giant who holds it at ransom, demanding the hand of the beautiful goddes Freya in marriage. Since he doesn't actually know what she looks like, Loki comes up with a plan to disguise Thor as a woman and have him faux marry the giant in order to get the hammer back. I hope Oda knows his mythology and will draw some parallels to that.
English is not my first language, but I'm pretty sure this is not what gallows look like.
>wrongfully murdered innocent animal
Say what you will about the mother, the kid, or the fences at the zoo, Harambe was dangerous to that kid in that moment, and tranquilizing wouldn't have saved the kid in time.
Uh, Doflamingo had everything taken from him against his will and was tortured and nearly killed for his heritage
Big Mom was taken in by one of the kindest people in the world, who always stood up for her, was living the sort of idyllic life Doflamingo had taken from him and then she just went and killed everyone because she wanted candy
Doflamingo treats total strangers that are kind to him like family and gives them power and happiness and takes their side even when they do him wrong
Big Mom has a huge family of her own and treats them all like tools or trash
Fuck Big Mom
Of topic, but no:
In the 19th century the german states decided to include the jews in society, one step was them getting family names.
To limit dicrimination they had to take german names (or were given german names by officials - with occasionally unfortunate results like "anal smell"). Names like "Goldberg" or "Rosenzweig" have symbolic meanings related to judaism. "Goldberg" was a german name before that, however. In fact most "jewish" names are also normal german names.
>Fuck Big Mom
don't mind if I do
She's also a retard who doesn't know her own strength. Retards will always gather more sympathy than psychopathes.
Also, Rocinante has the same backstory as Doflamingo and he managed to turn out fine.
you think oda will give big mom some kind of bs power with her fruit to somehow artificially create kids using a part of a mans soul and her own? i dont know how else she could have so many fucking kids if shes only been having them for ~30 years assuming she does actually have them with the orphanage kids and she doesnt start until shes 15
Big Mom's dad kinda reminds me of Capone, for some reason.
Possible that the combined might of Elbaf was even greater than Whitebeard and his family.
This is fater all a country with at least myriads of people, each one huge and powerfull.
> tfw nun fetish
> those hair
What a blueballing to only show two pages of her younger self. She turned out terrible with age.
I'm serious: another chapter about 2 weeks of waiting happened. We haven't had so long Whitebeards flashback, so why should we get Linlin flashback? When WB was dying, we got only few flashbacks on few panels. And that is how it should work.
Why should I fucking care about Linlin? I'm disappointed with this chapter, it seems like Elbaf is nothing special at all, Linlin was fucking demon from the beggining and she deserves to be jobbed by Capone Gang.
>He turned out to be a fucking traitor
>One tries to do the good thing
>The other is a dangerous broker, reason or most of the bad things in the OP worlds, needs to be stopped by all means
>But he's a gud boy because he's treats some freak of natures ok
>When WB was dying, we got only few flashbacks on few panels. And that is how it should work.
WBs flashback will come later when we get to Weevil, also WBs flashback being so short is the exception, every other flashback is at least 2 chapters long.
Any person with devil fruits that create clones/minions/doubles or whatever is always a jobber. Big Mom is no different, her fruit literally has no direct combat abilities and you have to rely on a bunch of mooks to fight for you. Mooks always job.
God damn, you guys are retarded. How powerful do you expect these giants to be? You don't know do you? You can barely even compare them to Dorry and Broggy, who were in their prime and came from a different era. Those two were even more legendary than these 2 old guys. I'm not saying these 2 old guys are weak at all, but you guys are making it seem like she tanked a yonkou caliber fighter.
>Big Mom is no different, her fruit literally has no direct combat abilities and you have to rely on a bunch of mooks to fight for you
ho ho hooo, slow down kid your breackneck reading pace is off the charts
It's 10:30 a.m., we don't serve Semla at this time.
It seems like giants are too content with their natural strength and never train to gain much more.
So they're way stronger than a normal human, but when superhumans come along they easily surpass giants.
all you got to do is not have a soul
I literally love the war arc just because of whitebeard. Didn't cared about ace but tears got out when whitebeards 'i just want a family' flashback and the 'he is still standing and had never a wound on his back' szene
They're the Sea Kings of the land, terrifying to fodder, a joke to everyone else...except theoretically very strong in numbers but a theory that doesn't mean make sense unless they are only fighting fodder
I am sure this is bait but
did you even read the freaking arc? Both giants were exhausted because of Mr. 3s plan. Dorrys stomach exploded so he was weakened and Broggy was exhausted after fighting him so Mr 3 could easily pin him down as well.
Man, Caramel was shit at raising kids:
>a child so naturally powerful it kills a giant bear in one hit without even attempting to disable it
>don't explain the weight of child's actions so as to not hurt its feelings
>get surprised that child continues to wreak havoc without realizing what it's doing
I'm sorry faggot.
Here let me make it up with a hug.
i dont get this giant are best warriors meme
luffy basically downed one of those invincible captains and they didnt have any particular trick up their sleeves beside their size (which never had any importance in one piece to begin with)
Fuck you bitch nigger. How many times do we have to tell you. The point of these flashbacks aren't to redeem a character. They're not meant to justify shit. They're just supposed to give a reason why they turned out the way they did. That doesn't mean it's going to explain that it's ok that she turned out the way she did.
Fuck you naruto faggots
come on now, did everyone forget that they cut a hole in to a island sized fish and some island sized dinosaurs. No way luffy would've won (back then) if they fought seriously
>Huge child that can be mistaken for a giant child
>Obsessed with sweets
>Goes berserk when she doesnt get them for a while
>Kids who were turned into pseudo giants
>Obsessed with sweets due to the drug inside
>Go berserk when they dont get their sweets due to the drugs..
>Caesar is involved with both
He does have a point, all naruto flashbacks are to redeem a character:
-Itachi was a good boy he dindu nuffin i'ts the Uchiha that are to blame
>Obito was a good boy he dindu nuffin it's the Kirigakure that is to blame
>Madara was a good boy he dindu nuffin it's the war that is to blame
Naruto did this thing where every villain basically got a sob story and/or was misunderstood and really a good guy.
The poster you quoted implies that Narutofaggots would believe that this'll automatically happen when a villain has a flashback because it seemed to be the case in Naruto.
Big Mom was a marine test subject for producing giants, that is why she rans amok and wants sweet shit. Caesars experiments and the stuff on Punk Hazard ties in to this. Holy shit man, Oda really plans things years in advance
One piece made that point quite clearly several times by having Luffy always disregard any sort of backstory of the arc. It doesn't matter what happened in the past, all that matters is what's happening now, if someone's being a dick he deserves to get punched, no matter what sort of sob story he went through that made him a dick.
>luffy basically downed one of those invincible captains
you seem to forget that that giants stomach exploded just a few minutes before taking Luffys rocket to this very stomach
>Kaido has scars
his fucking hobby is commiting suicide. He probably droped of some mountain or just stood there while some marines or other pirates that slashed him without putting haki on. Dude gets kicks from doing dangerous stuff, scars and captures imply nothing
>mfw strawhats will never go to the destroyed elbaf thanks to this flashback
It didn't redeem her though. How on earth do you guys not get the point of these flashbacks? They give a reason why the person came to a fork in the road where they could be led to evil or not. It doesn't redeem them though. It's like thinking that a serial killer is redeemed because you were given background info that happened to be him (as a kid) getting raped by his uncle . No it doesn't redeem them. It sounds hilarious when we use these kinds of examples, but for some reason you guys just don't get it.
No background information will justify Pudding stabbing and killing people.
Maybe they would not have chance years ago. But now Mama is an ill person.
Maybe CC's research turned her into a hopeless state and she lost his shit nowadays.
In her prime she was a big treat, but now she is more pathetic than terrifying.
there are no powerlevels in One Piece
someone with a fruit power still can easily beat a strong haki user (Law vs Vergo) and much stronger characters can still be defeated by finding out their weaknesses (Luffy, Nami vs Cracker)
and that Shanks got his arm bitten off was the idea of an editor who thought otherwise the scene is not interesting enough. You can still explain this though with Shanks saving Luffy at the very last second and had no time to think about anything else
It´s because Oda made humans WAY too strong.
Giants so far haven't really been shown to be superhuman by realistic standards.
Meanwhile guys like Lucci and Doflamingo can crash headfirst into a wall about a hundred times and stand back up np.
Rokushiki/Haki is also physical magic that gives characters superman tier powers.
All i'm wondering now is what everyone's bones are made of, although they all have more calcium than sanji.
I wonder what the state is in that flashback, and what it is now.
Sounds like she only destroyed a village. If that's the whole extent of Elbaf, it was never special to begin with. I don't think the whole country is in ruins.
>God damn, you guys are retarded. How powerful do you expect these giants to be?
lilim herself stated she could have killed off the other yonkou if she had an allience with elbaf
If Linlin is a giant why does she look older than Hajrudin, who should be older or at the very least the same age as her?
Answer: because she's not a giant. We saw her parents, they're not giants. Yes it's weird, because it's MEANT to be weird.
>reddit gap style posting
>read so fast that he missed that Dorry and Broggy were severely weakened by Mr 3s plot
>not knowing that Oars race is not giant race
Having elbaf is a huge help because it's just more reinforcements. Maybe she was wrong in thinking that. I mean she wants Germa 66 and they don't seem like a big deal. Apparently their science isn't good enough to allow them to conquer something weaker than paradise. Yet it's still something she wants.
>conquer something weaker than paradise.
its probably not the normal kingdoms that give them problems there, its that the marines would send an admiral to deal with them should they try.
luffy just barely got in to island busting at gear 4th. Dorry and Brogy were already island busters pre-timeskip and they weren't even in their prime. So clearly they're still a big deal
- We saw Elbaf
- We saw Carmel when she was young and hot
- We saw Little Big Mom be an innocent psychopath
- Those two giant chiefs are badass
I hope we'll see how Big Mom got her DF.
That's probably the worst thing about this flashback.
The so-called "strongest country in the world" looks pretty fucking pathetic.
Elbaf was built up to be some grand and amazing shit. What is this then?
She clearly already had it. Why do you think the last guy thought she was a demon? She obviously stole the life time of the other dead giants around her just like she did to her son in the present time when she threw a fit.
This arc has had some damn good art moments, the destroyed village, Brook vs Big Mom, Luffy vs the Big Mom crew