Is the chart completed? I haven't seen it done!
The most recent I can get in the archive is pic related.
> Bullying the whole childhood.
> Broke almost every bone in his body.
> Failed in the tournament.
> Lost first place in the character poll for his biggest rival.
> Lives every day knowing that his greatest idol will have to die so that he becomes his successor.
Instead we have Osamu, from World Trigger, who practically never suffered damage since all the fights are "fake", and Light who is a psychopath and only suffered in his last seconds of life.
Get in line. I'm still waiting for Stain to get on the chart.
>Light who is a psychopath and only suffered in his last seconds of life
The threads have been struggling to fill the right side of the chart. They need every bad guy with any suffering that they can muster.
I would say DIO's character as a whole belongs right up there but it looks there's quite a bit of JoJo on there already. Maybe Kira would be a better choice.
Still waiting for Fuhrer Bradley, he need to be here
I mean, it's one hour with me, 70 minutes without and then I can stay for 3 hours.
Will you be on in those 70 minutes? That'd help a lot
Stain only hated the heroes that were only heroes to make money or get famous. He tried to get into hero school, but was rejected over other people who were only there for artificial reasons. He then goes around killing and maiming people deems unworthy to be real heroes before being beat and locked up by the kinds of people he actually admires. He was totally right, but just went about fixing the problem in the wrong way.
it was peanuts compared to what Angra went through, and it was peanuts compared to what Kohaku went through and she's even lower than him. It's possibly also peanuts compared to what the Count went through. He's fine where he is.
Where would you put him?
We had some complains about her and Polnareff too. Who would we switch her with?>>157548560
Do you have a better image?
I only have 20 minutes guys pls don't start any discussions about Kyubey/Homura/Okabe/Touma/Misaka
Ranma guy or Lain, who suffered more?
I think it would be good to change her with Lain since she didn't deserve it, but I want to hear you guys first.
Hey chart anon, arrow anon here.
As promised here's my draft with motivations.
I am deeply disappointed to see that Akane was dindufied. I'd propose moving her more to the right, but that would be disrespectful towards the other characters I don't know. Instead, I just propose a minor correction, and swap her with Kodaka. Kodaka hurt people out of carelessness, while Akane's actions were deliberate. I strongly urge you not to move her anymore, but I won't be here next thread so my voice won't be heard. Sucks to be me, I guess.
I moved Kohaku up as she was raped and abused as a child. It's definitely on par, if not more, than what Kiara went through, and just as much as Shiki in my humblest opinion. She also definitely suffered more than Sakura. You know I very rarely push characters upwards, I felt this was a necessary correction though.
I moved the Count down as I strongly feel he didn't suffer as much as Kars, for instance. He was imprisoned and his body taken over by an alien, but I am having an hard time believing he suffered more than Archer, Ken and that other guy from blazblue (I read a post and apparently he suffered a whole lot).
Luluco and Lain swapped (pic soon)
You mean in the D axis?
Where would you put him?
We only have 8 slots left and all of them for high D and high S would they fit there?
My autism got to me.
Dedede (D:30, S10 to D:70, S10) because he literally spent millions of tax dollars on hired assassins to kill an innocent pink puffball. And a lot of his actions actually pose a hazard to the people. He deserve a spot that is not just one spot next to Satania.
Ika Musume (D:40, S:10 to D:30, S:10) because she is the same as Satania in mindset, but unlike Satania, her actions have consequences sometimes, so she's slightly above her in deserving.
Reimu (D:70, S:10 to D:40, S:10) because although she avoids her shrine maiden duties a lot of the times and is a little greedy, she knows good from bad and does what's best for Gensokyo when she is needed. Kind of like Nyaa-tan above her, being lazy and useless at times, but she doesn't have the same living conditions.
Reigen (D:35, S:10 to D:50, S:10). He's literally a con artist. There's a con artist on D:50, S:5 as well. Sure he saves Mob's ass sometimes, but that's done half so to secure his assets really.
Kokoro-chan (D:50, S:10 to D:35, S:10) Prideful and gets in the way of solving crimes most of the time by not letting Milky Holmes in on the case. But even so, she's no Aqua being literal scum most of the time. She cares for her squad, and even Milky Holmes sometimes. Good at heart, but still needs to learn that there are things you don't know even when you have graduated Harvard, while skipping grades and having an IQ of 10,000,000,000.
Thanks for your input, I'll start the next thread (~120 minutes) with these changes and see if everybody agrees with it.
He's in a complex area, I'll see what I can do to lower his D
I'm going guys, will be back soon. Peace
Please change Utena picture, she looks stupid
She had a family that loved her, which is a pretty massive step up
Besides, a lot of her suffering is self-inflicted. If she wasn't so obsessed with explosions she could make a living as a wizard with much more ease
MC too, although I can't remember his name. Looping through the same day until space-time breaks around you until you finally come out of it all barely "alive", requiring years of therapy in order to be slightly aware and even more to be functional...
Then why the fuck is there Rika on S:95 D:0
If Bern's suffering is due to Rika, having both Rika and Bern seem a bit redundant.
Sure, they loved her. Didn't stop her dad from neglecting his family so he could pursue his dream, leaving his wife with virtually no money to care of her, meaning she spent the first twelve years of her life dirt poor and nearly starved several times in that timespan--and that was before she learned magic.
What about this guy? I've only seen LB and Refrain, and from what I remember he
had to live trough time loops like Rika, whilst trying to make MC and Rin stronger in the made up world so they could mentally bear the consequences of the bus accident. He also had to act like a douche at times, but since it all had a purpose it doesn't make him really evil.
Imo he could take the S 95 D 50 (since S90D50 has been reserved by Arrowanon) spot for now. Someone who's played the VN's and knows more about Little Busters is welcome to correct it.
I made the same argument but I conceded that it's difficult to put Bern anywhere when there's so much misconception about her character.
Bern and Rika ARE different people. They have the same memories to a point, but at some point Bern branched off and became her own person. So their source of despair is the same, but since they become different people, you could say they deserve it to different degrees.
I don't think Bern deserves any pain at all but that's another argument. Since she's popularly seen as evil, and even wishes to be seen as such I won't contest it.
I believe that because she was a half ghoul, and had to kill to live since she was really young with no real family and having to deal with stuff like being hated by society at large and fighting for life for a long time would make so she deserves the spot. Even Haise was telling how all her books felts like it were written by someone that lives in complete despair, but I can understand why you wouldn't think that, we really didn't get in depth look at her past.
I would much rather be raised dirt poor with a loving family than well-off with a mother that despises me
While her meals aren't really desirable she never shows signs of severe malnutrition. And it's not like Yunyun would ever let her starve
>Kiritsugu and Kirei both deserved to suffer just as much as the other did.
Hang on a second there, Kerry might be a moron but he tried his best
You should really read LB, the anime does such a shit job of capturing both the fun and the serious parts of the original.
He didn't have to see his friends go insane and kill each other over and over, so it's not quite the same as Rika. Kyosuke's timeloops were basically a perfect world made to have fun for a while before they died and teach Riki how to be a man.
So you're close but probably less suffering, maybe close to 70. And he certainly wasn't evil at all. He was right and proven right. The good end happened because he didn't want to wait around forever.
You seem to have a misconception as to what a loving family is. As I said in my earlier post, her father neglected his family so he could craft magic items. That's far from a loving family, and while they weren't abusive like Kayo's mother, it's explicitly stated in Erased that she started hating her daughter after her divorce, which means that Kayo once had a loving family too.
As for her malnutrition, it's implied in the novel that it got really bad quite a few times, and Yunyun doesn't exist in the context prior to her entering middle school; the first twelve years of her life. Really, they have similarly shitty childhoods especially when you consider that things got better for both.
I strongly disagree, Keyneth was humiliated, had his pride and body completely destroyed, was betrayed by the women that he loved and died like a dog. He also definitely suffered a lot more than Suiryu and Garo, the guys in the spots right on top of his.
I haven't seen Fullmetal Alchemist in a couple years but I don't really remembering Homonculus suffering very much. He destroyed that city, got pretty much everything he wanted, and in the end he just got killed. I don't remember any torture.
And BlackWarGreymon should be more on the left since his suffering was just for being born, before he really did anything evil and then he only started doing evil things because the pain was telling him to.
>You're not very popular irl, don't you?
Come on anon, try typing before you make a come back.
S70 doesn't seem like enough for his character.
What about the other LB characters? Masato arguably has it worse because he has to constantly put on his act despite knowing the situation in the real world where as Kyousuke just gives up and goes into a depression.
Is there a key anywhere or something for what characters those photos are of?
There are a fair few I feel are familiar, but I can't remember where from and it's driving me nuts.
Your mother ever outright hating you is permanently damaging and is far worse than misguided neglect
A childhood like that doesn't really match the level of suffering that the chart is showing, especially when you consider she's in between geiger counter girl and Ozaki
Nominating Shinji Matou for the 80/80 spot.
>Be a fucking super Genius that amazing at whatever you try.
>Be constantly praised for it.
>Just want to do magic.
>Can't do magic because no magic circuits
>Great Great Great Grandpa constantly ridicules you for it.
>Try so hard to learn magic that you memorize all the family magic by heart.
>Still can't do shit cause no magic circuits.
>Great Great Great Grandpa brings in a girl and tells you she's your replacement.
>Enters a self destructive spiral due the only thing he wants to do being the only thing he can't do.
>becomes an A-class scum bag by beating and raping his new sister and trying to sacrifice the entire school for magic power
>Dies like a bitch.
Being Shinji is suffering.
>Your mother ever outright hating you is permanently damaging and is far worse than misguided neglect
That's debatable, but even so, add the malnutrition to this and she becomes deserving of her ranking. Especially looking at characters that shouldn't be here like Onizuka, the guy from Initial D, Sinbad and Makoto.
Once all the spots are filled, are we going to replace any characters? It doesn't seem right to have side characters from obscure series in the chart while missing iconic characters like >>157547337
>not even a single character from Nanoha
wow fuck you too, /a/
>it took /co/ more or less 3 threads to get this shit done
>/his/ got to pic related in their second chart thread
>/a/ is going to finsh this only after more or less 6 threads of autism
At the very least, /a/ didn't disappoint and will actually finish the chart. Not so sure about /his/.
>Honorable Chairman so far to the right
Looks like some anons need some political reeducation. Filthy rightist.
Alright, so I'm going to use the opening image.
Going from what you've said, moving Megumin is more trouble than anything. Kayo might've had it harder, but Megumin doesn't fit in any of the lower rows.
>Can I have a quick rundown on this character?
She is Eto from Tokyo Ghoul, she is largely a ghoul, a kind of monster that can only survived by eating human meat and are hated by society at large and hunted indiscriminately. Eto in particular had no real family to rely on, and lost her (probably) fraternal figure at an early point in her life probably what caused her to kill all the investigators (the guys that search and kills ghouls on sight) that almost killed her at least twice. After some years she made an organization made exclusively of ghouls to try and change the world.
I actually did that just after I submitted it, I didn't think it would work on such a small image but against all odds it did.
Thanks anyways though. I actually didn't think it would have come from that manga, I assumed it was a newer manga from Nihei that I hadn't read.
Well it was good advice at least.
We need to name the different parts of our chart, like /co/ did.
I suggest :
>bottom left : moeshit
>middle left : depression valley
>top left : edgelords
>bottom right : can't get away with that
>middle right : /a/ssholes
>top right : shit got real
>>Where do you suggest I move them?
I would personally move Karin to S40, the worst thing that has happened to her was to lose the movement of most of the limbs and senses of her body and it only lasted for a short while.
Togo should go to S50, she lost a close friend, and the movement of her leg and her memories, but the later two only lasted for a few years.
Sonoko should be in the S55, she lost a close friend, and had to keep fighting alone against the Vertex after Togo lost her memories to the point that she could only see with one eye, talk and move one hand, and I am not sure about the last one. It only lasted for a coupe years though.
Fun is subjective, anons. I find it fun to call people that suffered a lot and didn't deserved it, edgelords, especially because they are not. This is called irony.
These are my suggestions.
Grimmer was brainwashed, while Homura acted of her own will.
Sanka Rea had an abusive childhood that she didn't deserve, Watashi got trapped in timeloops and his room because he wanted to redo college (and he blames Ozu for everything), and Satoshi mostly just has an inferiority complex.
Implying he deserved his suffering even in the slightest.
He killed his beloved sister and lost the love of his life... He lost his innocence.
Kidnapped at a young age as a girl and then went through a bunch of experiments that turned her into a guy. Then Trained into a psychopath super soldier that murders everyone
Just saw they already placed him at 65/90 which is close enough
Admittedly I'm not familiar with Grimmer's character, but Homura's actions not only benefited all her friends, but also ended the single greatest threat to humanity. At the least, she certainly doesn't deserve more than Sayaka.
Anemone has a similar background and suffered much more in terms of physical pain but she's on S65 axis while he's on S90.
This is not fair.
kitano "how much they deserved it should be move from 5 to 0
I fucking live on this board you retard, I just don't know all 200+ of these characters
The only relation between death and suffering is you are not suffering at all once you are completely dead.
>went along with his brother to defy god an bring back the dead
The fucking YuYuYus need to be moved down. I love the franchise but really, Sonoko (90S, 35D) who lost one friend and fought alone for a few years being slowly crippled, and then becomes completely healthy again, is not comparable to most characters in the 90S tier, except Kohaku kinda. Similar shit applies to the others, they don't make any sense in their rows. You could ignore row consistency, at least swap her with Yuki at 80S 35D, don't know who's above Yuki though.
I checked the previous threads to see why Victor is there. As it turns out, he sneaked in when the chart was mostly white and jokes. I guess he has stayed this long unquestioned because the bottom left corner is not very disputed, or maybe not enough people have watched Yuri on Ice.
He is a rich, hot, successful, and popular pro athlete who is going through a identity crisis because being the best doesn't satisfy him anymore, which makes him feel lonely and stagnant. Said crisis is solved literally in the first episode, when he moves in with the MC. During the course of the series, they have some relationship drama so mild and easily solved it would't even warrant him a 10S, much less put him above or next to characters who get killed in gruesome ways. Either knock him down all the way to the bottom (sorry yuno), or remove him altogether.
We also gotta put Nikaidou in the 85 suffering 70 deserved spot since it seems to be the only fitting spot left. Things just keep getting worse and worse for him.
He was what? 9? My little brother would jump off a cliff if i was going to because there might be treasure at the bottom when he was 9. both the Elrics need to go down on the deserving list(Edward not so much) Tanya needs to go slightly up on the suffering list while going down on the deserving list as well.
>recognizing our Lord's sacrifice and understanding that Hitler ended up fucking both Germany and Europe pretty bad because of his military incompetence rather than his ideology
>somehow makes you a lefty
> you are not suffering at all once you are completely dead
You do know the very definition of hell is "eternal suffering", right?
Kohaku got his life back, his sister back and made peace with his dad/ancestors.
Are you implying surviving a war is more suffering than bleeding to death in some random battlefield?
Pretty sure mewtwo got in as a joke but stayed since he actually suffered a lot;
I'd guess Makoto (school days), Reimu, Haruhi and the autistic faggot from Glasslip 'deserving' scores are also memes;
Yuno is there because of wide;
Umaru is self-explanatory.
I'd say Iketani at S45, D65. There's no reason why he and Itsuki at S25, D45 are so far apart when they had similar circumstances (girl troubles fucking boo hoo). I'd say just remove Iketani entirely or replace Itsuki with him.
desu, anyone that hasn't lived for longer than they should have and suffered all through that time isn't really 100 tier
Agni is debatably 100 suffering because of the constant fire, which is actually gone now so he is actually having an ok time
Guts really hasn't suffered that much, all that happened to him was his friends dying and NTR
100 should be reserved for infinite suffering with no chance of ending
95 should be a near infinite amount of suffering which they somehow escape from or find peace
Is anyone against these changes?
Apart from this guy >>157553820
Is anyone against the changes? Reigen won't be moved then.
It's time for the discussion everybody loves
WHERE SHOULD KYUBEY GO?
Please use arguments, I'm counting on you guys.
I would switch Kiritsugu with Yuno.
Kiritsugu has a sort of extreme moral philosophy, but ultimately doesn't do edgy things for the sake of being edgy. Yuno continued to put the entirety of humanity at stake for no justifiable reason.
Haruhi makes sense, she's completely spoiled and does real stupid shit on her whims but also holds responsibility because of her 'nature', which she's completely unaware of, which is why she makes sense on a chart like this where we can slap a 'deserves to suffer' label.
Reimu also makes sense, you wouldn't know that since you're a secondary. The recent suggestion to move her to the left is good.
What do you think of the placement of the YuYuYus issue?
I also, I agree with the anons in the last thread, a being that did everything he did for the greater good shouldn't be D95.
I've used arguments in three threads now.
Kyubey's actions were for the greater good of the entire universe, more so, he was simply doing his job as a universal energy gatherer. He might have fucked over many teenage girls, but he didn't do it maliciously nor did he deprive them of a choice and compensation. He deserves no more than 50D, and even that is high.
As for suffering, literally nothing at all happened to him until the end of rebellion, and that was like an instantaneous thing. There's too many madoka characters as is, and Kyubey has been an issue, I say we just remove him and find a better 100S95D
He sent children to their deaths via psychological breakdown, creating monsters that could kill hundreds or even thousands of people, and was content to continue with this process even though he realized it would wipe out the entire planet. The only species that would exist for long enough for the heat death of the universe to be a significant threat is his own. On top of than, when Madoka changes the universe to prevent the creation of witches, he attempts to subvert her in order to recreate the original system, for the sole purpose that it generates energy faster. After being thwarted by Homura, he becomes the energy generator by being the dump for the collective despair of all magical girls, which is very much karmic retribution for what he has done.
Kyubey has been a problem for some time now and moving him will only start discussions. With your inputs he should be around 50D and low S but that part of the chart is totally filled.
Anyone against removing Kyubey?
>Muh greater good
Utilitarians need to fuck off. It's not like they can't use other ways to find out how to create more energy, they are just lazy fucks that use the most "effecient" method, not caring about the people it effects
OP delete Kyubey, they are like an entire race anyway or some shit.
Kyubey is actually only on this chart purely by fangasm. It's not even explicitly clear how much he suffers at the end when he gets fucked, or is even aware of it.
If anything, you could just have an off-chart section for 'potential nominees', which would also facilitate swapping and removing for other problematic characters and whatnot.
I don't know, sorry
But I think Kohaku would have a similar suffering as doflamingo or asuka so I agree with the suggestion
But that's the lowest D spot!
Isn't one of them S90? I think that's a bit high, but one anon was arguing that she should be there, I'll try to find the argument
>There are only a handful of Mamoru Hosoda films and you still don't know who it is? Get out.
Not my fault his characters all look the same.
Also, the fact I watch his movies doesn't mean I'm a fan. I have no obligation to know all of his MCs from some 15x15 dumb portrait.
Makoto from Toki wo Shoujo and the MC from Summer Wars are practically identical.
You really need to get off your keester and read Golden Kamui already, one of the best currently running manga right now.
Basically just a quick run down the list he was the younger brother of an inseparable pair of twins who fought in the brief but brutal Russo-Japanese war who made his debut getting kicked in the face by an immortal guy.
After capturing and getting in several fights with the immortal guy Nikaidou finds his older brother had his neck snapped and his corpse disemboweled after a botched murder attempt (hence 70 deserved) with drives him to the brink of insanity.
What pushes him off the brink and completely over the deep end was getting the entire back of his head peeled off of his skull by a brown bear in a fashion that makes dismemberment look preferable while disobeying orders from his CO and left to writhe with his exposed skull in the snow. Said CO decides to torture him almost immediately afterwards by cutting off his remaining ear with a straight razor.
He strikes a deal with the CO and is abused both verbally and physically on a regular basis, has pretty much completely lost his mind, talks to his own severed ear believing it to be his twin brother, and says his one reason for staying alive is living long enough to kill the immortal.
He almost got his wish recently when he finally managed to find him by sheer chance after so long, and ended up getting his leg cut off by fucking Hijikata Toshizo of all people. He is still alive and his suffering only multiplies the longer he stays alive. It will, beyond any shadow of a doubt, only get worse for him.
Alright I'm removing Kyubey since we have too many complains about him and we have 3 Madoka characters in the chart without counting him
Is everyone ok with Mendoza going to S100/D95?
>greater good of the entire universe
For the preservation of his own species. 99.99999999999999% species would have gone extinct by other means billions of years before the heat death of the universe.
> but he didn't do it maliciously
>nor did he deprive them of a choice and compensation
He deliberately withheld information in order to make his contract more attractive. That is deception.
All of this was before he decided to fuck over humanity by controlling Madoka and recreating witches.
>literally nothing at all happened to him until the end of rebellion, and that was like an instantaneous thing
He's retconned into bearing the collective despair and suffering of every magical girl that has ever existed, for all eternity.
Oh and we had some complains about Eren D scale too. Should we move him to a lower D (55-60) and everyone in that line one block to the right?
I only watched SnK season 1 so Idk about the manga, but I don't think he's a murderer
>Isn't one of them S90? I think that's a bit high, but one anon was arguing that she should be there, I'll try to find the argument
Yes, and they are all too high in my opinion.
Some other anon also posted this.
>which is why she makes sense on a chart like this where we can slap a 'deserves to suffer' label.
Not really, no.
This chart labels characters whose actions were deserving of suffering i.e. mass murdering, raping, plotting, cheating, etc.
The fact you dislike Haruhi or the fact she "does real stupid shit on her whims" isn't an argument for her deserving to suffer on the same tier (65) as guys like Shoe (who caused the death of 3/4 of his friends), Chrono (who caused the apocalypse) or fucking Lelouch.
Exactly because she's unaware of her nature and everyone refuses to tell her so, she cannot take responsibility for her actions that end up having effect on others.
>Reimu also makes sense, you wouldn't know that since you're a secondary. The recent suggestion to move her to the left is good.
Not an argument.
Educate yourself, newfriend.
The thing about Sonoko is that, outside of the death of her friend, she only suffered for a few years and is perfectly fine after and she enjoyed a very good life before and after what happened to her, she is filthy rich after all. I would put her at s65.
What about the others two?
Remove all madoka characters!
Remove all raildex characters!
The umineko characters are all over the place.
Bern is completely out of place at 95S 100D. She is not Rika and is only an entity created from her negative emotions. Bern as a character suffers very little. The most she goes through is humiliation and being punched by Battler. As for how much she deserves it, I'd say not at all. She's merely a sadist who wishes to destroy the illusion of beatrice. She'd fit in more around the 50s.
Erika doesn't go through enough to warrant her spot at 65S either. In the real world, the only thing that happens is that she drowns and as a witch the most abuse she takes is verbal abuse and neglect. The only crimes she commits are murders on the gameboard and none in real life. Like Bern, she is an antagonistic character but not so much a villain to earn her a spot at 90D. When compared to Ange, she should be moved down a few spots, perhaps somewhere around 55,85.
Ange herself is relatively fine where she is.
Anyone against >>157555480 and >>157554534
How about we move her to S65, Ace one to the left, Gaara to S80 and Yuki to S90?
Is that light yagami at s:100 and d:20? If so, that's too much suffering and way too low deserved.
Kars should be less deserved, he really didn't go out of his way to hurt people, vs Diavolo, who is at the same amount, was a drug dealer and murder.
I say move Kars to the S: 90 and D: 70 spot.
Is Asura up yet? If not, is S90D50 still open(though he could fit any of the open spots.)
Bern has all of the memories that Rika had though. Part of her character is that she enjoys seeing other people suffer so she doesn't remember the logic error she went through, which is referring to what happened to Rika. Since she has no problem making people endure logic errors of their own and is also partly responsible for the events of Umineko happening, 100D makes sense.
I didn't watch Soul eater, how did he suffer 90?
Alright I won't do that. How could we move that girl from S90 to S65 though?
Not only in the thread but also in the poll the removal of Kyubey won, sorry.
Yeah Erika was added when the chart was almost full and we didn't have a good place for her.
Do you want me to remove her?
That spot is filled, can't he go in a open spot?
Since the spot's available now.
>Cell: 70 S, 90 D.
>how did he suffer
While, he pretty came into being out of Death's fear, because death didn't want to fear anything. The fear became Asura, then some people fucked him over and got sealed for like millennia.
It's been awhile, if you can't tell.
Since Erika is just a side character and not that important, she should probably be removed. There's definitely a much more deserving character for that spot. Most people probably wouldn't mind.
Wow, I must be tired, this is almost illegible.
>Death doesn't want fear
>gets rid of fear
>fear becomes Asura
>all the other god things hate him and eventually betray him
>sealed under the school until events of soul eater
There we go
>Megumin on the suffering level of Kamil Bidan and Kayneth Archibald
What idiot made this lmao
Does she become a vegetable after seeing her loved ones die in the LNs? Cause that's the minimum necessary.
Tbh If I were Subaru I would probably just fuck right off after my first couple of deaths and not deal with the people the universe itself appear to want to kill.
It's probably magic fucking with his head making him do what he does in all honesty. In an alternate evil timeline he goes through 100 loops just to save a girl he literally just met.
Bern is really just there as a spectator until the later parts of the story. Even when she takes an active role it's out of boredom not any expressly evil reason. It's hard to say she's responsible for the events of the story. Battler trapped himself, and subsequently freed himself, from the logic error on his own and it's not like Bern was disappointed or let down that Battler succeeded. She was more surprised than anything. Her character just doesn't seem all that evil to warrant a 100D.
I'd suggest this. As >>157546043 pointed out, Osamu only takes part in fake fights.
To fix this problem >>157555828
we could put >>157556232 in her place since we have some YuYuYu characters already and she is too out of place
What do you guys think?
Since nobody was against it, done: >>157555480
I think his position is fine, if the x axis was a measure of sympathy then I'd agree that he doesn't deserve much since he brought a lot of it on himself and doesn't regret his actions. However, he always did it to save someone and he had a personal stake in most of the problems he was faced with. So I think his deserving value is on point.
Shirogane should change places with Okabe. Takeru not only suffered much more, but he also didnt deliberately mess with a time machine. He just wished for it one night and everything went downhill from there.
Do you want him changed with Suiryu?
Suiryu lived a good life always winning contests, he only received a good beating in these last chapters
It destroyed his spirit though
Anyone against this?
Why is Lordgenome so high up on the suffering axis? Motherfucker spent the majority of his time in the lap of luxury playing dress up with and endless stream of new perfect daughters.
Then Simon and company show up, kill him, and that's that.
Was it implied that keeping the human race underground was torturous for him? If so, I missed it.
Why is Suiryu so high on the deserving scale?
he is basically just the same as Mr. Satan (35 deserved) and for some reason is at 70 deserved.
He acts like an arrogant asshole sure but he never actually kills a human
Why did C.C and Edmund deserve as much as they did? They're nowhere near Archer levels of idiot/douchebaggery
Hell, why are Saber and Zero Lancer farther right than Archer? How did Rem deserve any suffering at all? Or Al? fuck, this chart is awful as a whole
Because he was a great general for the humans, then the antispiral mindbroke him so hard that he went home and buried his entire race, forced to kill the race he wants to protect or else his own flagship will destroy the whole planet.
Sounds like it's just about time for a rewatch, I had completely forgotten.
Acting arrogant and edgy isn't enough to warrant a 70 on the deserving scale. Lelouch literally mind controls people to do his bidding and murders his own siblings in cold blood and is only 65