Shinobumonogatari July 30

>>157531537
Deathtopia of course

>>157531537
Lots of fanservice.

>>157531537
H Y P E

>>157531537
BIG FAT BAT TATS

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>>157533056
This will be in Kizu III

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>moar Bat
noice
>predictions
Maybe Bat adventures throughout history or future Bat forgiving RRRG or Bat eating people or anything

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>>157533098
Need more of this

>>157533579
>future Bat forgiving RRRG
Honestly it's just some bullshit reason to not start fucking each others brains out.

Why do the movies have a different style to them? Is it so they can use CG? or is it because of director/staff?

Kizu 3 BD Subs when?

Araragi gets into danger on scale he couldn't even imagine before.
Shinobu sacrifices herself for him to live.
Araragi survives and lives happily with Senjougahara until both die.
THE END!

Screencap this post!

>>157533715
FRENCH NEW WAVE
Actually, it's just Oishi coming back and being all Bake again. I liked emphasis on these long shots of silence and the use of CG. It's like we experience what Araragi feels about the world around him as a vampire. And the color palette is changing each film so it feels different, like a new chapter.
>>157533774
Is the BD out already?

>>157531537
It'll be a boring book where Shinobu whinges a lot about nothing.

Alternatively Deathtopia comes back to town and starts sexually harassing Shinobu and Ararargi has to fend her off.

>>157533875
Nice delusion bro, maybe forgetting owari 3 where Araragi and Shinobu ones again vowd to end their lives after one dies

Or maybe the one where Araragi litterly says: I cannot imagine a future without Shinobu in it.

Good try though

>>157533906
Nice fanfic anon, got anything else?

>>157533774
July 13-1

>>157534012
They asked for predictions. My guesses are ultimately either "Nothing happens" or "Deathtopia returns"

Shinobu's story-arc is basically done at this point. She needs less screentime at this point.

We've literally got her story from when she was a child, the interim before heading to Japan, a rough idea of her adventures in Japan then Kizu onwards.
What can NisiO really do at this point? Even bringing in Deathtopia just smacks of repeating the Seishiro incident character development wise.

>>157533959
As if 'gahara would allow RRRGi kill himself.
All it takes is promise of her killing herself if Araragi does so.

Oh, oh, I want more vampires! Half of the book will be set in 18th century with Transylvania and Hellsing references and the other half in the future with long-forgotten kyuketsuki coming back and fighting Bat. And I'm not being ironic.

>>157534116
>the series end with characters' mass suicide
nice

>>157531537
I though Mayoi Hell was coming first?

>>157534260
Mayoi Hell is TV anime. Shinobumonogatari is light novel.

is this going to be after musubi or somewhere before?

>>157535602
It is a new season - Monster Season. So probably after Musubi.

>>157534116
>Seriously believing crab could stop Araragi from offing himself if by some shit Shinobu did die
Fucking neck yourself, delusional faggot

>>157537138
Crab will off herself with Araragi. She loves him too.

>>157531537
Obviously not about Shinobu.

>>157537311
Nisio pls go

>>157537357
You can't stop it.

>>157537311
Nadekomonogatari was just about Nadeko.

>>157537311
I don't think Nisio will blueball us like that, since Shinobu is the most popular girl in the series. More so because of that line about the one who names Kiss-Shot. It's highly likly deathtopia visiting Kiss-Shot/Shinobu.

>>157534116
>As if 'gahara would allow RRRGi kill himself.
Why do people keep saying this as if Gahara has a say in the matter or could do anything about it? She can't directly stop Araragi from doing anything he has his mind set on, see Hitagi End.

>>157537599
> It's highly likly deathtopia visiting Kiss-Shot/Shinobu.
And killing pregnant Hitagi

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>>157531537
WHEN ARE THE KIZU 3 BDS

>>157537801
July 12

>>157537831
YES

>>157537464
I've not kept up with the novels, why does Nadeko come back into the story? Not that I'm complaining.

>>157531537
I predict Shinobu wont be in it, or maybe at the very last.

>>157537896
Nadeko's still in contact with Tsukihi in general, I haven't read that novel but it's something to do with Nadeko & Yotsugi.

>>157538097
Sounds neat. I'm kind of interested of how Nadeko develops as a character after removing Koyomi from her life. Her angry outburst in Nadeko Medusa was pretty neat and it'd be interesting to know if that's a more honest representation of her personality, given that the Kuchiniwa was really an aspect of her.

>>157531537
I'd personally prefer it to be Kizu-like, i.e. less characters, Maymay, Shinobu and Arararararararagi dealing with something, that stuff's stunning and more focused.
>>157537599
That would be just Mail all over again

>>157538314
That depends more so what Deathtopia wants to do. Deathtopia's appearance has been forshadowed some time ago, the one who made Shinobu a vampire.

>>157531537
>>157533098
>>157533579
>>157533608
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>>157534056
How can one person be so beautiful?

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>>157538216
She drew 4 Nadekos from the past to help her with her manga. Ononoki made them real and they run away to meet with Araragi.

>>157537736
She had no power over Snake but she was still able to push for a deal.

Her antics are all show but they work.

>>157538430
>Ononoki made them real
Oh shit, she has that kind of ability? That's kind of nuts.

Would something happen to Shinobu if Deathtopia would die? It has been established that if the Master dies the Thrall gets de-vampirized but is she still connected to her master I wonder

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>>157538419
Her design in Kizu was really beautiful, that's true

>>157538668
Deathtopia created her as free vampire.

>>157532188
>monster season
nisio's ride never ends huh

>>157538419
She is a vampire

Did we ever even get subs for Kizu Part 2?

>>157539878
They've been out for a while now.

>>157539878
Yes, but I highly doubt they're any good

Owari 2 PV when?

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Are the deadcricket subs for Kizu part 2 decent?

>>157540029
Guess I'll have to judge that for myself. I'm mainly here for the visuals and music. Part I had a great soundtrack.

>>157538659
>Oh shit, she has that kind of ability? That's kind of nuts.
Making drawings real is one of the Japanese legendary superpowers of old.

However, Nadeko's art is TOO good, so the result ended up being more potent than expected. For example, her self portraits are sentient and have free will when animated. And her drawing of a monster ended up being massively more powerful than planned.

>>157538419
>How can one person be so beautiful?
>>157539188
>She is a vampire
Actually, the lore is that she was already supernaturally beautiful as a human. Turning into a vampire just enhances it. The short story about her human past seemed like a joke, but then a later arc corroborated it.

>>157538668
It's fine since 3Rgi is her master now.

>>157541222
>Making drawings real is one of the Japanese legendary superpowers of old.
Well I'm not saying it's odd that it's in the series, just that it's a pretty big deal and the sort of thing you'd think would come up earlier.
Then again I suppose you could say the same for Shinobu's ability to timetravel.

>>157531537
oh curwa, i need to pick up the monogatari series again, i left it at owarimonogatari i think

Will there be more Math?

I need more delicious Marina Inoue. (And she needs more roles.)

>>157540717
So, Okitegami anime soon, right?

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>>157542619
Not until zokuowarimonogatari (book after owari 3 that was announced for next season), and if they get into the book after that, the very first arc is a 220 pages story in her PoV where there is almost zero dialog, just Math narrating everything around including whatever anyone else is talking to her.

>>157531537
a decent release of Koyomimonogatari when? is Commie still at it?

>>157541497
That's not really true, though. That's how Shinobu ''views'' it, but Araragi is technically still her servant. And it's kinda up in the air what would happen if Deathtopia dead. Shinobu turning human, that would cause a shitload of problems too.

>>157543886
Shinobu turning human would be amazing simply because Gahara wouldn't be able to ignore Araragi's lover and soulmate anymore

>>157543886
>>157544355
That would actually be odd, Nisio is a retard but I hope he won't go that far. Shinobu's main quality is that she can be your loli, teen or cake anytime. He just needs to stop milking at this point. Off season was enough.

Does someone have an update monigatari arcs/timeline/whatever chart?

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>>157544797
>Shinobu's main quality
Not really, just bonus

>>157543004
I really don't think that they'll animate all of Off Season, honestly. Some of the books will get the OVA treatment at best but ultimately the series just isn't as popular as it was a few years back. Jewplex will shift them onto more lucrative projects after Kizu didn't do that well.

>>157532188
>Shinobu Mustard

Shinobu mustard race?

>>157545394
Thanks, but it's pretty old, il seems that we reached the point in which ararararagi is already working, so far from Hana.

>>157548903
It's because the chart is a translated version of a timeline from the Monogatari website.

>>157546642
Monogatari's still pretty popular

>>157546642
Meh, as long as the novels keep getting translated I'm fine with that, waiting isn't a problem when they are being reasonably fast and I'm really enjoy what I get every 2-3 months. Thankfully it looks like they are selling decently, there will probably be a physiological post bake sales drop, though.

>>157533579
Shinobu has completely forgiven Araragi, even if she hasn't verbally said it, her actions are completely unambiguous. He's the only one getting hung up on it.

>>157538668
Nah. Shinobu has long since turned into a vampire in her own right. This is what Araragi was so worried about happening during Tsuki.

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When is the Kizu BD for part 3 out?

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>>157550451
Someone earlier said around July 12th.

>>157550451
Jesus.

>>157531537
>Deathtopia shows up
>Her full-power form is a loli even smaller than Shinobu

>>157546642

Owari sold more than three times as many BDs as the next most popular series. Every Kizu movie sells out super fast. Shits' still fire yo.

>>157550451
Remind me, was Koyomi really this dense at the time, or did he actually pick up on Hanekawa's signals but didn't show it? It's been ages since I read the LN.

>>157550862
I think she was mentioned to be getting younger or something. Also it's Nisio so yeah he won't miss a chance to have a smug immortal loli in there when he gets the chance to.

>>157550957
Both sorta, he doesn't think that he could have an equal relationship with someone "so far out of his league" so he refuses to go for it. There's more to it than that but this is the gist of it I think.

>>157550957
He acknowledges that he loves Hanekawa, but he wants to keep her away from the whole ordeal, and decides that romance isn't how he wants to pay her back for everything she's done for him.

>>157550909
Wasn't kizumonogatari selling relatively bad?

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>>157551133
OTP

>>157551160
Shit, that's kinda cute

>>157531537
>Predictions?
No subs for a year.

>>157550957
I understand their relationship less and less the further the story goes on, honestly. It's not normal even by this series' standards. Araragi still pretty much worships her and she's still keeping tabs on everything he does even when she's abroad doing whatever the fuck.

>>157551267
You can have an idol and it's just an idol for you, it's not hard.

>>157551267
He obviously still loves her and vice-versa, but they both know that their chance at a real relationship passed and they're fine with that.

>>157540029
Tactical's release was pretty solid

>>157551267
It only seems weird because everyone else tolerates it (they don't really have a choice, trying to stop Araragi from doing something is hard enough but trying to stop Hanekawa from doing something is pretty much treated as impossible)

>>157551443
> He obviously still loves her and vice-versa
Hitagi is the first woman he ever loved. His own words. Stop being delusional.

>>157551594
>Hitagi is the first woman he ever loved. His own words.
And this is also my memory being terrible, but did he say exactly when he fell in love with her? Was it before or after she declared her love for him? Koyomi's response to the behaviour of others always struck me as one of the more interesting aspects of the series in general. It's not abnormal, but it seems odd in some ways. Dunno, could just be me.

>>157551594
He's since already said that he crushed on math fairy Sodachi so that's out of the window. Even disregarding that the characters in these series lie all the damn time, in Araragi's case Ougi wouldn't function as a character during Owari if that wasn't the case.

>>157551594
>Hitagi is the first woman he ever loved

Pretty weird way to spell Sodachi

>>157551594
>Hitagi is the first woman he ever loved.
Nah.

>"But what about your feelings?"

>"My -- feelings?"

>"I was sure that you loved class rep-chan."

>"Don't say something absurd."

>I laughed.

>I broadly grinned.

>Yes--

>This was the cool scene where you grinned.

>"I don't love Hanekawa."

>"Really?"

>"Really"

>Let's choose to think it that way.

>This was the greatest happiness.

>Ha ha, Oshino laughed. A frivolous laugh.

>"If it's fine with you, then all right. Though I tried to ask, class rep-chan's feelings are more important than yours -- no matter what the Hindering Cat or you did, you are the only one who can save yourself."

>"Besides, Hanekawa didn't ask for my help."

>Unable to ask for anything else.

>Unable to ask for anything.

>"......She could have just asked me."

>I said, like a poor loser.

>I had to say just that.

>"If she asked, I would have done anything."

>"Probably she thought you were unreliable."

>Oshino said, extremely frank, extremely harsh.

>"It just seems she'd rather rely on her own wild idea. Or maybe, unexpectedly, she might have asked for your help."

>"Huh?"

>"Not asking for help doesn't mean that you don't want to saved, right? Similarly, not saying you like someone doesn't mean that you don't like her."

>Oshino Meme said.

>As if he saw through, as usual.

>"Everybody has words they can't say rashly, Araragi-kun."

I thought Nisio made it more than clear with this conversation that he really did fall in love with her, but would never truly admit it.

>>157551792
Weird way to spell Mamaragi

>>157551907
I want a Mamaragi arc, Araragi needs to get a Milf in his harem

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>>157551685
> Was it before or after she declared her love for him?
After. This is their conversation at Hitagi's place before monkey's attack.

>>157551594
That really does not mean anything. The guy goes and marries himself to Shinobu, still worships Hanekawa and wants to make us believe that the loves Hitagi only.

didn't araragi say he fell a bit for monkey also?

>>157552050
> That really does not mean anything
He said it in Bake ep15. When he rejected Hanekawa for the first time. I think it means something for him.

>>157551234
It's extremely cute.

>>157552095
He says that if he met Kanbaru first he may have ended up falling for her instead (and she says the same thing), it's up to you how serious they were being I guess. It's a moot point since they'd only meet through Senjou anyway though.

I think it's just part of the running gag (that's sorta downplayed in the anime arguably) that they come off more like boyfriend & girlfriend at times than Araragi does with his actual girlfriend.

>>157552324
>come off more like boyfriend & girlfriend at times than Araragi does with his actual girlfriend.
Almost every girl Araragi interacts with feels more like his girlfriend than Crab does.

>>157552216
Let me put it like this: What do you think will happen if Senjougahara actively tries to separate Araragi from Shinobu.

Araragi is an unreliable narrator, I pay more attention to his actions then to his words.

>>157552400
> What do you think will happen if Senjougahara actively tries to separate Araragi from Shinobu.
She will never do something like this. She knows that Shinobu is Araragi's part. She knew it from the start.

>>157552376
I guess but it's pretty blatant with Kanbaru, she even rubs Hanekawa the wrong way about it that one time. Nadeko Snake was basically a date between Araragi and Kanbaru too, in the LN Araragi remarks at one point how concerned he was about going on a date with her before he had gone on a date with his actual girlfriend if I remember correctly.

>>157552470
>She will never do something like this. She knows that Shinobu is Araragi's part. She knew it from the start.
Yes, I am aware though that was not my point.

>>157538668
What would happen if araragi turns deathtopia into a loli too?

>>157543004
>Not until zokuowarimonogatari (book after owari 3 that was announced for next season), and if they get into the book after that, the very first arc is a 220 pages story in her PoV where there is almost zero dialog, just Math narrating everything around including whatever anyone else is talking to her.

I need this. The Sodachi arc is one of the few arcs of the series where all the girls were the best girl of that arc.

>>157552705
Two vampires that can suck his dick under his desk

>>157552548
Ok
> What do you think will happen if Senjougahara actively tries to separate Araragi from Shinobu.
Araragi will tell her to fuck off. Araragi knows it, Gahara knows it.

>>157552607
People were saying that it was implied that she was getting younger over time before, and if that's true she'll probably be a loli anyway.

>Gahara gets Koyomi just because she's first to ask him out blatantly
>He tolerates her creepy tryhard personality
>Cries that Hanekawa didn't ask him for help so he could bone her
>Kisses four different girls after promising not to cheat
>Constantly molests snails and sisters
>Has best girl living in his shadow
>Gets molested by monkey
>Is okay when gf says she'll cuck him
>Walks girls home gently
>Is a harem master
What a strange series, it seems like a total mess by now

>>157553067
> Is okay when gf says she'll cuck him
She never said it.

>>157531537
Deathtopia shows up and acts evil, but it's all just relationship counseling for Araragi and Shinobu in disguise.

>>157553067
>Is okay when gf says she'll cuck him
Why do people misinterpret that scene so often? Within the same conversation you have Gahara straight up spelling out what she means too

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POST BIG BATS

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>>157553959
Okay.

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>>157531537
With how off the rails the last few novels have been, it could be anything. Another prequel taking place centuriesin the past, another side story about vampire hunting shenanigans, a whole new story arc featuring the adult cast after the timeskip, or anything new at all.

>>157542814
Hopefully it's not by Shaft and better than the Zaregoto one.

>>157551738
Having a light crush on someone you barely know and actually being in love with someone you share an intimate realtionship with are completely different.

>>157557679
It wasn't that different at that point actually, you guys keep going on about it being true eternal love or whatever when it was just two horny teenagers who enjoyed each other's company and got together because why not.

>>157552705
Don't expect any "best girls" from this big Sodachi PoV arc. It's almost a complete stream of consciousness narrative where other characters besides the narrator barely exist. It's a reminder that when Nisio isn't writing lolicon bait or shounen manga style battles, he can write emotional tone pieces that convey the mindsets of his characters perfectly. He really is like the archetype of the old man who just seems like a hopeless pervert at first, but then reveals how he's actually a master of his craft and makes you go "Oh, that's why this guy is Japan's 2nd best selling author of all time."

>>157557922
That's probably more the rest of the series retroactively affecting how people view Bake now to be fair.

On that note Araragi does still avoid saying what he loves about Gahara whenever he's asked, weirdly. Gahara can say what he loves about Araragi, every time any character including Gahara herself asks he just gives a "I just do" type answer. Which would be fine except this is the same guy who can go on and on about how great Hanekawa and Kanbaru are, yet he can't even tell his girlfriend what's great about her after she does the same to him?

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Hope it has more of best girl in it.

>>157557922
RRG and Crab's realtionship isn't anything fantastical like true love at first sight, but it comes from a place of them feeling like they truly understand each other and want to support each other through their troubles. Whereas, his past crushes on Math and Cat were based solely on his idealised, shallow impressions of them he formed without knowing their true characters or circumstances at all. He even admits that a lot of his attraction to Cat was just desperation and lust after having a pretty girl talk to him after years of isolation.

>>157558130
>girl

>>157558130

>girl

>>157558362
>>157558489

>too gay to turn it into a girl

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>>157558362
>>157558489

So?

>>157558094
It's because Nisio doesn't really give a shit about the romance between him and Crab. He throws in a few scenes here and there, but that's it. I would even go as far as saying that Nisio really doesn't give a shit about Crab seeing that he writes so little about her despite her being the main heroine and face of the entire franchise.

Their relationship is brought up to remind and/or assure readers that they're together but that's really it. He never goes too much into their relationship like he does with the relationships Araragi has with Bat or Crab for example.

>>157556787
I'm gonna be pissed if it's not post-timeskip. It's time for more meat.

>>157559200
Bat or Cat*

>>157559200
>He throws in a few scenes here and there, but that's it.
I don't think that's what's going on in regards to what I'm saying though. They do get plenty of scenes together and you literally have an arc in Owari vol.3 which is just about them on a date. The same stuff I was talking about happens.

>her being the main heroine and face of the entire franchise
She's the main heroine of Bake at best. I'd argue only the anime version at that since they skewed so many of Araragi's interactions with the other characters when adapting it too.

The series as a whole doesn't really have a main heroine, for promotional purposes it was probably Gahara for Bake but it's become Shinobu by this point.

>>157558057
I like it when he dresses up his great stories with tits, jokes, and fight scenes though.

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>>157562299
I need more Teenobu

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>>157563353
I'm game for her less stupid outfit.

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>>157563450
That works too

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That said, it's still pretty hard to find good art of it.

>>157531537
Shinobu finally defeating the cock !!

>>157534116
Crab is irrelevant

>>157538668
Netorare

how will /a/ feel when bat finally and truly wins?

>>157551072
Crabfags tried to lie their way on that

>>157563742
>finally and truly wins
You mean, how do we feel about Kizu?

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>>157551133
>>157550957
OTP

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>>157563742
Satisfied

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>>157551267
>>157551443
>>157551594
Do we have to tell you this, anon?

They deeply love each other now, and forever in all likelihood. Getting together is a different matter which only time will tell.

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>>157563742
The shitstorm would be beautiful. Like Chihiro winning only better.

>>157551846
>conversation that he really did fall in love with her, but would never truly admit it.
Last book... probably, whenever that happens.

>>157553724
>>157553165
Crab unironically reeks with Kaiki's sperm.

>>157563833
>Getting together is a different matter which only time will tell.
As much I like them I have to disagree; it's more like them getting together is no longer something they need to think about because they both know that time passed. They're content with where their relationship stands now. After Crab dies, it'll be Bats turns and that's it.

>>157558130
Ougi has a nice cock down there? It perfectly fits Araragi maybe?

>>157559200
>throwing crab under the bus
my opinion of Nisio went up a little bit

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>>157553959
That's my favorite adult bat picture.

>>157559432
Shinobu and Hanekawa are the female MCs

>>157563985
I unironically want to be her servant for eternity

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>>157563985
I prefer her on the Kizu 3 poster, but I have that poster anyways.

>>157563922
They have supernatural lifespan to be together after all so no need to hurry anything, they are happy in their current relationship as of last book.

>>157564010
they certainly get the most arcs. i think they're the two girls nisio has written about the most.

>>157564032
It's one of the cushiest deals ever, even if you don't count in how great it would be to spend time with her.

>it's just another cancerous shipping thread
Is it because Nisio doesn't actually write anything to discuss?

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>>157563949
Outside of doujins, Ougi probably thinks too low of Araragi to even consider dicking him.
At most, she'll let Araragi fuck his sleeve while she shit talks Hanekawa about not being as capable as him.

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>>157564147

>that feel when most fanart and porn of Ougi is completely out of character

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>>157564198
Ougi is one of those characters who people will almost never be able to depict accurately

>>157537831
>literally 1 day before my birthday
if only the subs would come just as fast, or has it already been subbed?

>>157564235

I don't like it but I will deal with it. I can't even point a finger to what type of personality she has other than teasing bantzmaster. I can't think of really any other anime characters that is similar

>>157564198
Most fanart and porn is completely out of character in general. Though it does look like one of the major Ougi artists has zero grip on her character, which is sad.

>>157531537
I know exactly how to localize the title for this one.

Heart-under-bladestory

And it'll end up being about the specialists though.

>>157540717
Zaregoto anime when???

>>157564596
Is this memeing or do you really not know?

>>157564652
WHAT THE FUCK THEY MADE AN OVA? After i watch this im going to blow my fucking brains out with a shotgun.

>>157559200
> It's because Nisio doesn't really give a shit about the romance between him and Crab. He throws in a few scenes here and there, but that's it.
Are you fucking kidding me? How many scenes do you need? There are confessions, dates, phone calls, lewd texts, future plans, aishiteru, sex, even breakups and reunions. The whole fucking story of their love.

>>157564725
Brace yourself for kinda wonky CG.

>>157564738
There's not much after Bake, which is 2 of the 3 first volumes in the series. I think it's intentional though. He wants their relationship to be boring in contrast with the other girls, because she is supposed to represent his "normal" dull life as opposed to the interesting supernatural life.

>>157564813
> There's not much after Bake, which is 2 of the 3 first volumes in the series
Only if you didn't watch/read the series after Bake.

>>157564785
Is it entirely CG?

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>>157564903
No

>>157564738
I need the scenes to be longer than 5 minutes every other book and not throw red flags everywhere.

>>157565018
Stop bullshitting please. There will be absolutely normal date in the new season. Monogatari isn't a shoujo manga,

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>>157565076
Here I thought I might actually get a halfway decent discussion out of you. I forgot that crabfags never have anything in their mind other than rabid waifu defense.

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>>157565182
Sure. Read/watch the series first. You are just ignoring the facts. And I'm batfag actually.

>>157564924
Well, that was SHAFT as fuck. It only made me realize how much more of an impression book 2 left on me.

>>157564738
Nisio cares much more about the fact that they're in a relationship than the relationship itself.

>>157563759
>forcing waifu wars into every single thing.
Jesus, you crazy anti crab fag never change.

>>157553067
Nisio puts much more effort into fucking with the audience's expectations than trying to write something good.

>>157565182
But he's completely right and you are being an unresonable dumbass, nisio did his job at telling explicitely about their romance THROUGH the series, it's just not the main focus of the series.
You are basicslly saying that you'll accept it only of it became the main focus of the series which is stupid since that's not that kind of story like that anon was saying.

>>157565961
I accept that they're romantically involved. It just doesn't look like Nisio really gives a shit and I don't either. That same volume had a meta joke about how crab gets no screen time.

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>>157566046
What does Nisio have to do to convince you that he gives a fuck? Araragi and Senjougahara have one of the best romantic development in the medium.

>>157566206
Give them meaningful scenes together that don't have some sort of fucked-up backhanded element to it. So far, only the final scene of Zokuowari has qualified. The rest are a minute of token kissey-face shit that's just blatantly there to remind you that they're still going out. Meanwhile, Araragi is building actually interesting relationships with the other members of the cast.

>>157566046
He doesn't give a shit about giving it main focus, but the meangful moments have been told very well, it's clear that nisio himself likes them a lot.
As for the reason why he chose to tell mostly only the meangful moments, I'll tell you to remember what the protagonist of tatami galaxy says at the end of the series when he gets a girlfriend, and how much shit retarded shit other authors usually put to force the main focus of the series on the main couple. What nisio did with them just feels natural.

>>157566354
So their second date was not meaningful then? You are just a retard. Like really. You are saying stupid bullshit.

>>157564840
>>157565076
Anon, please.

>>157566455
>that doesn't have some fucked-up backhanded element to it
But you obviously are too shit at reading comprehension to see those for yourself.

>>157566496
What was so fucked-up about their second date?

>>157566206
His true girlfriend is Shinobu character development and relationship wise. The only reason that the relationship with him and Hitagi can exist is if Shinobu existence is ignored. Because it would all fall apart if Hitagi ever asks Araragi to get rid of her which she would never do.

>>157565961
>>157566401
>>157566455
The thing with their relationship is that "it's" just there. It's like some words in a book which do not hold much significance for the overal story. There are relationships in Monogatari involving Araragi that are way more interesting. Hench even the inside jokes Nisio makes about Crab's appearance. As a reader I care way more about other things then his relationship with crab. Even the breakups were really lackluster.

>>157566583
>Because it would all fall apart if Hitagi ever asks Araragi to get rid of her which she would never do.
It's a one way trip right out of Araragi's life, crab is not that stupid.

>>157566614
That's why the relationship seems shallow when you dig deep into it. It's based on denial of their relationship not really being a clear functional one. Since all such issues is just swept under the rug to never be address.

>>>157566206
> The only reason that the relationship with him and Hitagi can exist is if Shinobu existence is ignored. Because it would all fall apart if Hitagi ever asks Araragi to get rid of her which she would never do.

That's some crazy level of mental gymnastics, the guy wouldn't get rid of literally anyone and Hitagi has always kown that.
I seriously think your post is a good example of why part of the fandom hates it, they would have prefered something to idealize and dream about like you are doing with the araragi-shinobu relationship, while the actual romance of the series feels like a real relationship.

>>157566731
This issue is probably going to be addressed in the future. Nisio can't keep dodging it

>>157566731
Different point of views, I think how you are seeing it is both really shallow and idealistic, for example.

>>157566541
>Araragi going through a life-changing event and just letting crab have misunderstandings about it without correcting her. It's a big/personal enough decision that he can decide to ignore whatever crab wants, but he should at least tell her if there's a good chance he'll go back to being a sort-of vampire.
>"By the way, I'm cutting this short because it's more important to spend time with my father this evening. I'm having a dinner date with my father after this. Did I mention that I'm cutting the date short to spend time with daddy this evening?"
>They both fall asleep because Nisio has to actually move the plot along.

Less of an issue, but still kinda worrying/annoying:
>They have gone on a super low number of dates for the amount of time they have been dating.
>Stupid punishment game coercion shit instead of being direct.
>After they part ways Araragi gets treated with more affection than crab showed at any point during the date.
>"Wow. She's milking an excuse for all she can. So brave!"

Also, now that I think about it, the only really meaningful thing that happens between them on is Araragi calling crab by her first name and the rest is just fanservice.

>>157566731
I can't help remembering how the same thing kept happening in Katanagatari and ended up exploding.

>>157531537
>Shinobumonogatari
Sounds like Urodomonogatari.

>>157566734
You're more oblivous then a generic LN haram MC if you honesly think that Araragi would not choose Shinobu over Senjougahara if push came to shove anon.
>That's some crazy level of mental gymnastics
Do tell me your secret

>>157566734
>the guy wouldn't get rid of literally anyone and Hitagi has always kown that
Yet she still tried to push Sodachi out of his life when she got too close. Sure, you could say that it was reasonably worrying for a girlfriend for her to go nuclear, but Shinobu and Hanekawa are even closer than that. They're just not easy targets.

>>157566768
Sweeping things under the rug and pretending that nothing is wrong is idealistic. I would rather see the issues tackle on regardless if it leads to success or not then just playing pretend. Flaws are what makes character dynamics interesting and seeing how the characters tackle them.

Hitagi relationship with Araragi is boring for that reason because Nisio doesn't want show any source of struggling and how they deal with the problems that come up in their relationship.

I wanna see scenes of the Kaii Cops 200 years in the future doing political things. Like, when each new prime minister is elected they have to get a briefing supernatural issues with them and Araragi is a VIP that has defended the country for centuries.

Really makes me think why does crab put up with rararararagi's shit. I'm prety damn sure I wouldn't not even for my waifu. Besides being starved for affection and all she's a normal girl. Can't she get a nice boyfriend that would love only her?

>>157551846
Really makes you think.

>>157566980
Or, Shinobu has spent all her pay to become a major shareholder in Mister Donut and now Araragi has to go to all the board meetings as her "attorney."

>>157567102
Contractors scratching their heads over the special accommodations they need to build for the mermaid girl.

The whole office working to get special political protection for Hachikuji's temple.

Official visits with Hachikuji going nuts as she and Araragi launch into their routine in front of everyone.

Golem girl getting inducted as an honorary member of the immortal loli brigade.

>>157566775
Crabhater hates Crab. Nothing new.

>>157567229
Crabfags being delusional, nothing new

>>157566775
> Araragi going through a life-changing event and just letting crab have misunderstandings about it without correcting her. It's a big/personal enough decision that he can decide to ignore whatever crab wants, but he should at least tell her if there's a good chance he'll go back to being a sort-of vampire.
Wait what?
1. He told her about events in Hell.
2. He will never abandon Shinobu. It was settled back in Kizu. Hitagi knows it. There is nothing to discuss.
Is it too hard to understand that Araragi loves both of them?

>>157567525
>Oh, you turned back into a full human? Nice. Now we don't have to worry about all that vampire stuff. I'm glad everything is over.
>Haha, y-yeah.
Then he does more supernatural shit and becomes a sort-of vampire again.

Again, I accept that they're in love, but it's so much out of focus, and still has so many blatant issues that are barely even acknowledged, let alone addressed that I can't bring myself to care any more. All the romantic gestures I was so touched by in Bake have been overshadowed or broken and the payoff I'm getting is so small compared to everything else that it just feels like their scenes are there to remind everyone that their relationship is a thing rather than to do anything meaningful with it.

>>157567525
The likelyhood of Senjougahara trying to break up Araragi is Shinobu is slim. But going by the small chance that she does try, Araragi would choose Shinobu above Senjougahara is what is being talked about.

>>157567819
>a sort-of vampire again.
This was kinda unavoidable. The guy litterly says he cannot imagine a future without Shinobu. Same goes for Shinobu, though she is considered about what he wants, instead of what she wants.

>>157567819
> Then he does more supernatural shit and becomes a sort-of vampire again.
Because the only way for him to be with Shinobu is to be a part vampire. It goes without saying.
> I can't bring myself to care any more.
Who the fuck cares about you.

>>157567907
Meant considerate*

>>157567907
>>157567914
The point is that Araragi is just letting her have misconceptions about important issues and letting her sort it out later. I don't care that he went and became a vampire again or did more supernatural shit, but that he let Senjougahara think that he wasn't going to. He already got a big lecture on how letting a misconception stand is the same as lying.

>>157567914
That's not really the point he tried to make though

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>>157567863
> Araragi would choose Shinobu above Senjougahara
Yes he would. But not because he doesn't love her. Hitagi can live without him, Shinobu literally can't.

>>157567970
I know, I was not trying to excuse him. He should have just told her.

Are there [RH] release that is 720p height or at least in 8bit?i still cant build new arduino, and my pc is sloow.

>>157568009
>Shinobu literally can't.
Not true though, she can live without him. It's more that both Araragi and Shinobu don't want to live without each other. Shinobu is very considerate about what Araragi wants. She even mentions that if Araragi does not want to be bounded to her any longer and wishes to stay a vampire, then she will just live life in the away from society again. Of course Araragi refused that

>>157568114
>vampire
Wishes to stay human*

>still no monogatari translation compilation after neko

kill me already

>>157564924
I hate everything about the Zaregoto anime's visuals. I hate that the characters are always undetailed, slightly off-model versions of their original Take moe designs, but with Watanabe's sharp eyes and cheekbones just slapped on. I hate how undetailed the backgrounds and sets are in this house described as an ornate mansion. I hate how the cinematography, colour design and use of imagery is all a blatant imitation of Shinbo's style, but without also carrying across the smooth kinetic movement and gothic flare that makes Shinbo's style satisfying and cool to watch. They should've either gone with a completely new style, which would be preferable, or just actually got Shinbo to direct it, which would at least be better.

>>157568114
Yeah I read Ougi Dark.
I mean Araragi can't choose Hitagi over Shinobu when they are connected - before or after Ougi Dark. He needs to kill Shinobu to do that.

>>157568216
That only results in killing himself.

>>157568114
That part was great, especially since it got one chronic complainer to stop. He was always going on about how Shinobu was being bad by keeping on with their relationship despite all the drawbacks that their connection brought. Then she gave him a big, fat opportunity to back out.

>>157568329
Not to imply that I care about removing an annoyance more than the scene itself.

Araragi doesn't even need to choose. Hitagi and Shinobu love him so much that both are ready to tolerate each other because it's the only way to be with him.
We have other important questions. Is Araragi aging or not? Will his child be a half vampire?

>>157568420
>Is Araragi aging or not?
A bit, but Kiss-Shot's stopped at 27 so there's still time to see.

>Will his child be a half vampire?
It's possible, but unlikely since he is generally considered a human.

Honestly, we don't know and there's enough leeway for Nisio to go either way and you can't really complain.

>>157568160
I could just do without the cheap CG. Content alone can be enough to carry a series so long as everything else at least isn't completely dropping the ball.

>>157569037
If I want the content, I can read it in full in the novel, and I have. I'm watching the adaptation for the visuals.

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>People discussing Shinobu's importance
Shinobu is literally an eternal part of Araragi, someone he decided to die for, the first person who made him understand that he wants to help others. He vowed to her that he'll never leave her and the only way to die for them is to die together. So, she's his vampiric eternal waifu. Gahara is his human waifu, someone he helped, someone who had loved him for helping her and willing to help others. Although I don't really like her design and personality-wise because she's literally a copy of my ex, both in looks and behavior, she's still not a bad person and deserves to be loved. But if we talk about whom he will choose, it's obvious that it's going to be Shinobu, since their relationship is something inhuman, they are parts of each other, a human and a vampire together in an eternal bound, she's his shadow, he's her blood, his life is her life and vice-versa. If one of them dies, the other follows him. This is something that's not what we can call love, it stands out of Monogatari and human life in a weird yet somehow poetic way.

> Crab wins
> B-b-b-but actually he loves Cat!
> B-b-b-but Bat is part of him, it's more than love!
It's pretty pathetic to read the same always, as if you write it only for the purpose of convincing yourselves one more time.

>>157571213
>Crab wins
Please try better bait anon

>>157571559
> I-i-i-i's bait!

>>157571720
It's litterly mentioned multiple times that Araragi has chosen and keeps choosing Shinobu above everything.
>as if you write it only for the purpose of convincing yourselves one more time.
Pot calling the kettle black

>all these fags in this thread thinking who Araragi ends up with matters.

I bet you faggots don't realize that if he had met Yozuru first and needed to save her then he'd be in love with her as well.

>>157571899
This, if he had met Meme first, then he would be in love with meme, or if he had met Kaiki first then he'd be in love with Kaiki

>>157571993
That's wrong though. Had he met Mamaragi first then he would fallen in love with her first.

>>157572044
Shit, you're right, how could i have been so blind

The ending of the third movie was sweet and hopeful. Almost cried.

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>>157569878
>the first person who made him understand that he wants to help others
He had been going crazy on helping people since middle school.

>their relationship is something inhuman
There's a layer of magic to it, but they're still subject to all the constant attention and care that a regular relationship needs. Don't sell their work short.

>>157574278
I'm pretty sure that this is the best body expansion material in existence. It's all downhill from here.

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>>157575337
How does Shaft do it?