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Saber is a fine wine

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It took many years for me to realise this, but Saber is actually the best girl. Rin, Sakura and Rider are only milestones towards enlightenment. This is why Nasu named Saber's route Fate; because it is our universal destiny to accept Saber as best girl and let her redeem us from poor taste.
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>>157521459
This is true. The only real question is how you even fell for Sakura over Saber in the first place.
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How is it that, on the first watch,you did not realise that saber is best girl?

I mean, the others don't even come close...
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>poor-quality Agrias knockoff
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmw7oMz1cmk
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I realized this in my very first encounter with Fate. How did you not?
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>>157521530
>Watch
Oh boy, you blew it son
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>>157521530
I think more people would see the light if they reread Fate after the others.
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>>157521612
I agree.
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>Saber
>Good

She is just a poor man's ARC.
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Thank you OP.
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>>157521459
Seiba pleases her master for mana!

What a slut
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>>157522038
Arc is the trashy girl you banged in senior year and dumped after graduation.
Saber is your true love.
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Saber so good they just copied her a bunch of times and callled it a new character.
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>>157522375
Can't improve on perfection
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>>157521459
>best girl

I dont think saber is as bad as many say, shes fairly cute and has good traits

But she isnt best girl
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It is good to see other men of culture.
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>>157524089
Fuck, had OP as my name from a different thread.
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>>157521459
Saber is best girl only if you didn't play the LN's
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>>157521534
>ancillary character in a spinoff game with less than 10 lines
>capable of being ripped off by anything

The idea of female kishis ain't anything new.
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>>157524632
>LNs

Well, yeah, Saber was hot garbage in Zero. Urobutchi did not know how to write her nor what to do with her
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I love my king!
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The fuck are you talking about?
Saber is one of the most entry-level waifus in anime history and the most obvious pleb choice of the entire Nasuverse.
The VN routes and it's heroines are designed to escalate from pleb taste, to refined taste to crazy fetish taste, with a myriad of hidden gems thrown in the middle for true patricians only.
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>>157521459
Saber let Rin fuck her. That means Saber must think Rin is best girl.
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>>157525103
Excuse me but I think our king is a woman
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>>157525312
she can't be a woman, she is a king
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>>157525312
No, she cast aside her womanhood when she became king.
She's female, obviously, but she's not a woman.
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>>157525103
>>157522045
>>157521459
WTF why is this chick's eyes so big?
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>>157525270
Saber wouldn't dare to think about herself as best girl, she doesn't have that kind of inflated ego, that's why she thinks Rin is best girl.
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>>157521459
>best girl
Except it is actually Astolfo.
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>>157525950
please delet yourself
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>>157525970
Why?
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>>157524089
Fate/Zero ruined nasuverse to me. The fanbase is dead, there's only parrots one worse than the other.
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>>157521459
She certainly aged well.
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>>157526030
Fate/Zero only ruined the Nasuverse for Saberfags, she's the only SN character who got Urobutchered badly.
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>>157526074
When surgery goes wrong.
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>>157526084
Naa, Illya got it worst
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>>157526074
>manface
>extra broad shoulders
>fake looking cowtits
>excess fat on her previously rock-hard abdomen
>oddly separated legs just to force a thigh gap + thicc thighs combo
Absolutely disgusting. Somebody please mercy kill my waifu before she becomes that piece of shit.
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>>157526163
Her character wasn't substantially changed or misinterpreted.
I was not talking about suffering, I was talking about bad writing.
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>>157526184
Too late
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>>157526215
It's like one day Saber was so hungry she ate Luvia for breakfast.
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illya is superior
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>>157526206
I was talking about her spinoff
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>>157525249
Saber is entry tier because she is the first heroine, and has the entry tier route. That and being the most inoffensive of the heroines, rin being a a slut and sakura damaged goods
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>>157526304
>Medea* is superior

Ftfy
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>>157521459
>Saber is rancid grape juice
just like the series she's part of, funny how that works.
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>>157526464
You dont understand how wine works do you?
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>>157525249
>>157526355
That's dubious claims. Nothing can do if Saber is the best. If I felt the need to be a hipster I wouldn't step foot on 4chan.
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I know Sakura is "used goods" but I think she's best girl. Rin is a close 2nd. Saber is objectively shit tier.
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>>157521459
>but Saber is actually the best girl
Nero is pretty great, yeah.
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>>157526549

Your ordering is inconsistent imo, saber is more like sakura than rin
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>>157526355
>the most inoffensive of the heroines
Dude, Saber is a canon cuckold, a canon slut that knows how to please men and a canon dyke that chose to sleep with a girl before doing it with his loved one.
She's not an involuntary victim of any of her sexual acts like Sakura, and those are a 100% canononical events, not doujin memes.
Saber is the biggest slut of the main heroines, you're just purposely ignoring her depravity.
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>>157526669
>knows how to please men
And yet shes a virgin, so its entirely possible that that line reffers to general knowledge of what guys do - which she most likely would have, having been considered one for the better part of her life
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>>157526727
>And yet shes a virgin
No, she got an intact hymen when she was summoned as a servant, she can't possibly be a virgin since she's a father.
Also, she probably fucked her wife too before Lancelot cucked her.
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>>157526800
Actually, Guinevere loved Saber and agreed to the marriage even though she knew she wouldn't be loved in the same way, and Saber had no problem with her and Lancelot.
And she's a father because her sister stole some semen from when she was a futa to impregnate herself, they didn't actually fuck. How she stole it, Nasu never said, iirc. Holy shit Nasu.
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>>157526872
>Saber had no problem with her and Lancelot
The textbook definition of a cuckold. Willingly surrendering one's wife to a superior male for him to satisfy her in ways you never could.
>she was a futa
Like I told you, a complete degenerate.
>How she stole it, Nasu never said
It doesn't take a genius to figure out how she extracted semen from "her". The fact that Nasu doesn't dare to elaborate says it all.
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>>157526872
>>157526967
Didn't Morgan put a spell on Saber to make her submit to her will when she took her semen? Saber might have been a rape victim too.
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>>157526967
>superior male
He was also THE ONLY MALE due to saber being a chick

>how she extracted semen

Jack her off? Seems like the most effective method considering she made a humonculous out of it
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>>157527111
Saber rejected her original gender identity when she took the sword. Also, Saber grew a dick, she wasn't a proper chick by any means. Respect her fucking identity, you massive asshole.
>Jack her off?
If that's the case she's already not pure in F/SN.
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>>157527064
>Saber might have been a rape victim
Might?
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>>157527180
>Saber rejected her original gender
Didnt she reject being human also?

>grew a dick
A wizard did it


Basically merlin is a filthy pervert who neglects his pet
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>>157527203
Medea has a speech about how she WONT tarnish sabers purity and instead just torture her
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>>157527203
>Molestation is rape

Feminist plz.
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>>157527248
>>157527254
Sure, she gave her countless orgasms against her will, exposed her naked body to put her in a humiliating attire, groped every inch of her, and probably made her experience all kinds of fucked up sexual shit in her head, but because Caster claimed she wouldn't take her hymen it's totally not rape.
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>>157527322
>naked body

She has a full dress on
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>>157527111
Considering Morgan stole Saber's futa semen to try and make some sort of clone by impregnating herself using magic, I wouldn't put it past her to have stolen it by magical means too.

Let's just face it, Nasu came up with this way after the fact, trying to make sense of it is madness.

>>157527342
And before that she had her blue dress. We don't know exactly what Caster did to her though.

In a general sense it's a shame companies make something an eroge just to draw that audience in, it just has them do unnecessary shit.
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>>157527322
Tl;dr caster is h manga villain
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>>157527342
>She has a full dress on
>that's different from the one she was wearing before
Do the math.
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>>157527419
Dem Zouken vibes
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>>157521612
Saber as at her best in HF
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Post your Type-Moon waifu right now or she is forever a slut
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>>157527664
This is retarded, for a the majority of TM girls not being posted would be a win.
For example, Sakura would go from being a wormslut to just a slut.
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>>157527664
Only the most bestest TMfu
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>>157527664
I'm fine with Astolfo being a slut for my cock.
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>>157521459
Viva la France!
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>>157521535
You posted this on /fgog/ too, stop trying so hard.
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>>157521459

But Saber is actually a terrible person and only realized that in UBW after seeing what Shirou had turned into, and realizing she was doing the same fucking thing.
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>>157526607
>saber is more like sakura than rin
Saber is more emotionally distant.

Sakura/rin actually have feeling for the MC
Saber treats her relationship with mc as a job, only protecting him to obtain holy grail
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>>157525312
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>>157522045
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>>157527664

Guess I better stake my claim. Tamomo is not a slut, she's a pure and loving waifu.
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>>157528305
Thats because shes autistic, she grows out of it
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>>157528383
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Saber is only mid tier among her clones.
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>Saber is a fine wine

Then what is Archer?

A keg of beer?
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>>157528552
Piss bottle

Beer is rin or rider
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>>157521459
I can't honestly recall a single memorable character trait about Saber.
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>>157521581
Fuck off. Fate/zero is objectively a good anime. Take your reddit asshurt elsewhere.
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>>157528594
Is the sheer gestalt of unremarkable traits not itself a remarkable trait? Truly you have reached enlightenment.
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>>157528623
Why are Fate fans angry at the FSN anime?
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>>157528478
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>>157521459
I fucked Saber in the asshole
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Which waifu is the cheesiest?
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>>157521459
No taiga in this thread.
Shame /a/ shame
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>>157529214
There are only three taigafags on all of /a/. You have to wait for one of them to show up.
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Nitocris is my final waifu. Perfection in my eyes.

GO is bringing on bountiful bevies of brown beauties.
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>>157528594
Dude King Arthur is a girl lmao
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>>157526549
Nice taste
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>>157528771
FSN anime is a tasteless mix of the three routes.
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>>157526549
Used goods are for healing.
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>>157529297
IKR? Just turn someone elses character into a genderbent parody.
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>>157529098
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>>157529336
Would you buy a used computer? TV? Food? Car (if you weren't a poorfag)?

No.

Used goods are terrible.
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Here's the thing with Saber, by herself she is incomplete as a character. whoever she pairs up with dictates how she will turn out. She is a character that cannot stand out on her own merit. This contrasts her to many other Nasuverse characters, which ironically makes her stand out.
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>>157529440
>used food
Would buy the rest, why the fuck not?
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>>157521459
I find Illya better overall, but I can happily appreciate Saber as a character. Fate route isn't my favourite route, but the Avalon ending is probably one of my favourites.
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>>157525249
>he lets reason choose his waifu, instead of his heart
Shame on you
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>>157528552
Holy fuck now I feel like a retard for not watching the UBW anime.
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>>157525249
>designed to escalate from pleb taste, to refined taste to crazy fetish taste
Rider isn't a crazy fetish.
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>>157529478
Who are you quoting?
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>>157529440
I have two options, a used Lamborghini or a new fiat

Gee, I wonder which I would buy?
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>>157529472
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>>157529545
Theres only two reasons to like rider

Shes pleb taste
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>>157529565
>I am from Reddit, The Post
Of course you were.
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>>157529607
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>>157529621
>implying 4chan has any traffic from non-Redditors
>implying you came from 9fag
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Saber really is a top tier waifu. I used to not like her that much but I think I was just following the shit flinging that happens, it wasn't until UBW's animation that I really realized that Saber's loveliness.
FGO is turning me into an Alterfag.
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>>157529440
Reminder that if you give a shit about whether a woman is a virgin or not, you're saying that you only see women as walking vaginas.
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>>157529545
Rider gets orgasms from gouging people's eyes out and reeks of blood. She also seems a little too close to her horse.
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>>157521459

But anon, Kirei is best girl.
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>>157529770
This.
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>>157529708
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>>157521459
But Saber lily is best girl.
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>>157529927
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>>157529927
I want Alter to corrupt Lily.
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>>157528383
I like it.
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>>157530095
Why thank you.
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>>157530037
Ikemeru draws a good Saberface.
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>>157521459
I'm kind of the opposite. I'm a hardcore Saberfag that is slowly coming to appreciate Rin as the actual best girl. Shes' the common thread and Shirou's main pillar of support in all three routes.
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>>157528427

Well, the term is a "natural", a character that can't really read the mood. One of Sakura's main points is being empathetic, so the two are different there. Even if they get along pretty good.

If you wanted to say what both have in common, it's that they enjoy their food and Sakura in particular has good talents for picking up recipes into her collection.

You only have to look at Hollow to see how happy it makes Saber to have someone who likes to try different recipes out on people, and Sakura enjoys having someone around who doesn't judge a girl liking to have a good meal and chilling instead of starving themselves. So that is where they mesh well.
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>>157521459
She's the best girl with worst route.

A literal boring infodump.
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>>157521459
Literally as well she get's better with age
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>>157528623
>filthy secondary accusing others of being from reddit
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io_tbnfxCh4
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Killya the Illya!
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>>157527664
Reminder that Rin is for the intellectual man
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>>157534074
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>>157534074
I've been seeing you post in a lot of fate threads lately, killillyaposter. I don't know what you're trying to accomplish but I got my eye on you.
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how the hell did shirou manage to get toe to toe with an servant
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Man, Saber and Shirou sure would have some weird child-Oh, wait!
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>>157521459
You're right, she looks better when she's way older
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>>157527664
Thankfully, i don't have competition for her.
>>157529238
The purple hairs are always the prettiest
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>>157534074
Quickly, we need Dr. Gil!
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>>157529832
This

>>157521459
Depends on what you mean by best. Between three arcs and a prequel, she has the most characterization, detail, and screen time of any character. And let's face it, the other girls (save for Rin) can be summed up pretty briefly if you take away their sex appeal.
>Ilya
>dead or a bitchy child you'd not want to be around (not cannon Ilya anyway)
>Sakura
>worms, murder, no will
>Rider
>gets like three lines of dialogue in the game, and a sex scene (kind of)
>Caster
>as stated by another anon, she's an hentai villain they try to make you feel sorry for
Saber and Rin are two of the most interesting characters I've seen come out of anime. Saber because of the amount of detail that goes into her characterization, and Rin because of how human she is (especially compared to 99% of anime characters).

Personally, I think Rin is a better character, but I fap to Saber more.
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>>157537147
>Saber and Rin are two of the most interesting characters I've seen
Is this bait? They're literally the most shallow and generic F/SN girls.
>Saber
>hungry tomboy knight
>Rin
>infodump tsundere

They're pretty much straight out of some generic battle shonen.

>out of anime
Oh, wait. Yeah, you're a retard alright.
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>>157534074
>>157536209
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>>157532402
>elitistfag
I hope pic related happens to you cretin.
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>>157521459
Saber in her original conception was nothing to write home about but her offshoots/various costumes, the fandom, and subsequent expansion made her retroactively great.
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>>157521459
Half of the thread are discussing on how she get a dick and how good she will be in bed. But tell me OP, which part of her character catch you.

Only watched fate zero and get myself into fate grand order
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>>157537835
>Half of the thread are discussing on how she get a dick
One thing I noticed is that /a/ got a hell of a lot gayer in the past few years. I don't remember this much wanking over traps or futas before 2013.
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>>157521459
OP you're 100% correct. Gud thred.
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>Liking a literal deadbeat dad
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>>157538218
>Liking the spawn of said deadbeat dad
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Why bother with that old hag when you can have the real cutie?
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Breed Saber
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>>157537460
Why does
>out of anime
make me retarded? We're on /a/ last I checked, and while Saber and Rin have a lot going for them, I'd be easy to find a lot better going into TV, films, and literature given how much more material is has over anime (and manga and games and etc. you sperg).

>Rin
>thundere
This is how I know you're a retard that believes memes. With the exception of like two scenes Rin doesn't act like a tsundere.
>gets embarrassed when Shirou sees her in the morning before she puts herself together
Sounds like, I d'know, a girl.
>isolated, romantically inexperienced girl gets embarrassed when talking about romance/sex with the guy she likes
Tsundere! Trope! Overdone!!!!!!
Yeah she's an infodump, but that's how Nasu writes half his characters. He other half consider of idiots, and COOL GUYS.

Rin is a youth trapped between the social expectations of two different groups, and her most interesting aspects come from dealing with those very different worlds. She forces herself to be perfect in the eyes of both mages and normal humans, distancing herself from both social circles in order to maintain the illusion of perfection, as well as not actually get emotionally compromised. Her "tsundere" moments arise when that illusion and aloofness is shattered, and she's at her best at a character when she has to juggle the priorities of being mage and a human (ideally having to do something taboo or immoral to one or the other).
>saving Shirou because her sister would lose her shit if he was dead
>killing her sister for the greater good

tl;dr I challenge you to tell me which FSN VN female other than Rin has motivations other than "I'm a bitch" or "because I'm a servant". Hell, you can use Zero or all the fucking shit printed after it if you think it'll help.
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>>157538321
Servants can't have kids silly Anon.
But come to think of it, if they could, would DNA count as a catalyst? Would their poor kid end up being locked into summoning >>157538218 ?
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>>157529770
Anything wrong with that?
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Not to sound like a /pol/tard but Saber is, among other things, the loyal Aryan waifu everyone always wanted.
It interests me how the top two Nasuverse characters from the last popularity poll were said Aryan waifu and the (appearance-wise) yamato nadeshiko waifu.
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>>157529770
Virginity is the strongest bargaining chip a woman will ever hold, and most throw it away without a second thought. Precisely how they throw it away says everything you need to know about their character and potential as a human being.
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>>157538335
>Why does>out of anime make me retarded? We're on /a/ last I checked
Because you saying that makes you an obvious secondary, which also makes
>This is how I know you're a retard that believes memes
particularly ironic considering the way you sum up Sakura's character. If you had actually read the VN, you would know that the only murders she commits are killing villains in self-defense.

>With the exception of like two scenes Rin doesn't act like a tsundere.
She's literally as generic of a tsundere as it gets in UBW, and F/HA escalates her tsundereness into outright violence. There's a reason she's among the first characters people think of when tsundere is brought up.

>d'know
>!!!!!!
How new can you be? Lurk more.

>Rin is a youth trapped between the social expectations of two different groups, and her most interesting aspects come from dealing with those very different worlds. She forces herself to be perfect in the eyes of both mages and normal humans, distancing herself from both social circles in order to maintain the illusion of perfection, as well as not actually get emotionally compromised. Her "tsundere" moments arise when that illusion and aloofness is shattered, and she's at her best at a character when she has to juggle the priorities of being mage and a human (ideally having to do something taboo or immoral to one or the other).
This literally only establishes her as a generic Nasuverse mage and a tsundere.

>tl;dr I challenge you to tell me which FSN VN female other than Rin has motivations other than "I'm a bitch" or "because I'm a servant".
Ilya and Sakura, for example. Sakura in particular is one of the most developed and complex characters in the entire VN, right behind Shirou/Archer and Kotomine.
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>>157529203
Wait what? For real? I hope you're not memeing me.
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Perfection right here
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>>157539302
>Got cucked in Extella true end
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>>157539088
The existence of something called rape completely invalidates that line of thought, though. A rape victim is precisely a victim, and nobody has any business denigrating them for what someone else has done to them against their will. It's promiscuous flirtiness that's a red flag when it comes to women, not the status of their vagina.
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>>157539384
>Believing that Tamamo end wasn't true end
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>>157539422
It wasn't called the True End, that's for sure. Just like how the REAL Hakuno got with Blossom-sensei in the real world in CCC's ending.
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>>157539482
Spoiler that shit, faggot
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>>157539230
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medb#Death
"In her later years she often went to bathe in a pool on Inchcleraun (Inis Cloithreann), an island on Lough Ree, near Knockcroghery. Furbaide sought revenge for the death of his mother. He took a rope and measured the distance between the pool and the shore, and practised with his sling until he could hit an apple on top of a stake Medb's height from that distance. The next time he saw Medb bathing he put his practice to good use and killed her with a piece of cheese.
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>>157539856
Such gruesome times.
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>>157539184
>right behind Shirou/Archer and Kotomine.
This is correct, as far as them being the best characters. I admit I may be a bit chracterblind for Sakura, but I don't see Ilya.
>secondary
I mean, I watched the Deen anime before UBW was translated, and didn't play the VN until it was, so you're technically correct in that I watched the thing available in my language before the expensive book was in English.
>self-defense
Yeah, she does it in self defense for Shinji and... I guess Gilgamesh, but being HUNGRY and scared doesn't make a good character. And murder is still murder. She kills Shinji. She's stock Nasu rape victim, but spends too much time sucking mana to be as tolerable as Fujino and is a wide margin from being Kohaku. She's a boring lead that will cause the end of the world. I view HF as the Ilya/Kotomine arc because Sakura is boring.
Again, character blind. I kind of hate her. Maybe she's not so bad (only murders like two people before the third act) but the obvious answer is kill Sakura, become hero. Not even trying to get the bad ends I went for every opportunity to end her.

>Ilya
Like I said, I don't see it. In Fate she's a petulant child who was lied to, in HF she's, a victim? Not remembering that one too well. How does she get above "I'm a bitch" in the VN?

>This literally only establishes her as a generic Nasuverse mage and a tsundere.
She's generic because she has to deal with moral dilemmas? Given Papa Kotomine and Tokiomi play the Masquerade, most other mages we see are stuckup, vindictive, amoral, greedy dicks. The Matous eat people, Kirei is fucked in the head, Kititsugu has no qualms killing for the greater good, Kayneth may or may not be as sociopathic as he acts when he's angry given.
>HA
Okay you've got me there. I've not bothered to play it for various reasons, so maybe in the joke-game followup the exaggerated Rin is a violent tsundere. Cannon I guess.

>lurk more
I don't agree, so I must be new. Solid reasoning.
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>>157521459
Welcome to da club nigga!
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>>157539856
We're not in hyperspace. How exactly does one die from being thrown a piece of cheese?
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>>157540625
By being thrown with it with speed of light.
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>>157540625
see
>>157532325
>>157532361
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>>157540143
I'm not that guy but you trying to make an opinion out of ignorance is amusing.
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>>157540625
Cheese can get hard as fuck.
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>>157539392
>nobody has any business denigrating them for what someone else has done to them against their will
Except they do when that person may concern them.
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>>157540143
>I don't see Ilya.
She suffers a bit from not having her originally intended route, but her being brought up to hate and kill Shirou for the Einzberns and win the war, then learning the actual truth about Kiritsugu and Shirou and coming to appreciate him as her brother rather than resenting him is a pretty clear theme of HF and to a lesser extent Fate.

At first, she keeps information to herself and uses things about characters they don't even know about themselves to manipulate them (such as her killing Shirou in a bad end to use him against the "other grail", later revealed to be Sakura), but as she gets another perspective of Shirou than the one the Einzberns fed her, she realizes she values his happiness over that of the Einzberns or even her own, and so she begins to support him in her own way, as well as helping Sakura make heads and tails of her situation by telling her about her link to the grail.

Even so, though, Ilya isn't so much a "good guy" as she's a neutral supporting Shirou. She values Shirou over even herself, but she still despises Rin for being a Tohsaka, and she only really tolerates Sakura despite being a Matou because she knows she's objectively the best kind of woman for Shirou. The way Ilya develops from what seems to be a batshit crazy evil loli to a far more nuanced and selfless, yet not generically "good" person makes her a very interesting character among the many F/SN characters who are either clearly good or clearly evil. Rider is similar in a way, but she's not explored very well as a character until F/HA, sadly.
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>>157540949
>>157540701
>>157540759
But why cheese though? Don't tell me to send a fucking message? Also is that Furbaide nigga gay? He literally goes and watches Medb bathe and he hasn't been enlightened to instead go and fuck her.
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>>157541220
Nearest projectile.
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>>157541220
>Also is that Furbaide nigga gay? He literally goes and watches Medb bathe and he hasn't been enlightened to instead go and fuck her.
Maybe he didn't want STDs.
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>>157521459
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>>157537147
>hentai villain they try to make you feel sorry for

Thats because there is reason to feel sorry for her

And then she goes and does a stupid evil thing and dies for it because reasons
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>>157541440
STDs didn't exist then.
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>>157541128
Eh, I buy that. It's apparent in retrospect in Fate I guess, after the events of HF, but yeah that's a good summary of her character. I've never delved super hard into her character personally. Guess I just value different qualities in characters. I see Rin's struggle to deal with what are essentially her two ethnicities and moral compasses more interesting than Ilya's change of heart and realization. Doesn't mean it's not there though. I remember her more from Fate. Maybe it's just that I don't remember HF as much, which is weird; aside from hating Sakura I loved the arc.

>>157540860
Please show me the ignorance. I'm curious.
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>>157542895
No, do it yourself.
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I want to marry Medusa
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I haven't played Extra, even though I've got it around here somewhere, but I decided to pop in Extella and check it out despite it being a sequel, and goddamn Nero is cute.
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>>157540143
>>157541128
>Yeah, she does it in self defense for Shinji and
Zouken who was trying to take over her body, as well as his servant. Kotomine's goal is technically to keep her alive, but only so that Angra Mainyu can take over her completely and kill her as it's born. Those are the people she kills.

>Gilgamesh
That was Angra Mainyu, not her. The reason she snaps and goes dark after Shinji's death is in part because it's the first death she herself rather than the shadow caused, which makes her believe there's no salvation for her anymore.

>murder is still murder. She kills Shinji.
And Saber kills several servants in Fate, as well as Shirou killing Kotomine. So?
>a wide margin from being Kohaku.
Kohaku is great, but there's no denying Kohaku did a bunch of needlessly terrible shit that really makes it ridiculous to claim she was better than Sakura. For example, Kohaku was already saved by the time the story started, and yet she went out of her way to keep her other tormentor alive in order to... kill the one who saved her.

>Sakura is boring.
She may be boring if you expect a generic action heroine like Saber or Rin, but if you take the time to analyze her thought processes, she's really interesting. The cycle of her wrestling with self-hatred and the trauma of what happened to Kariya, yet still wanting to cling to hope of attaining happiness with Shirou now that it's finally been offered to her, followed by frustration and hatred at the things and people getting in the way of it, and then yet more guilt and self-hatred for harboring those violent thoughts is something that her interludes set up, but people far too often only cherrypick those flashes of negative thoughts and call her a bad person because of it, when that's a really ignorant analysis of her character. Add her complex relation with Rin to that, and you have yourself a really deep character. Also, despite commonly being viewed as being passive, Sakura is the one who kills the most villains.
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Personally, I found Sakura's excessive clinginess annoying.
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>>157541525
Ilya's bulge.
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>>157540143
>She kills Shinji
And archer kills kuzuki, shirou kills kotomine

Shinji is an all round terrible person, he wont be missed
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>>157545126
Shinji is a national treasure.
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>>157526872
Wait what? Saber was canonically a futaba at one point? When is this mentioned?
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>>157545207
If caster is a H manga villain

Shinji is a failed attempt at a h manga villain
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>>157545266
She has a son with her sister
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>>157545266
Its the Nasuverse explanation for how Mordred can still be a thing with a genderflip, plus how she knows to suck a dick*.

*although you would think she could have knowledge of that by proxy of just being around soldiers a lot.
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>>157543474
>And Saber kills several servants in Fate, as well as Shirou killing Kotomine. So?
Those aren't human, so it's not murder.
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>>157527646
>Saber as at her best in HF
Blacked?
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>>157545322
>>157545359
That's kinda hot
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>>157545506
Killing people is killing people >>157545675
It was done through magic and stuff, its unlikely they did penor in vagoo
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>>157545743
They're not people, though.
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>>157543328
Play Extra where Nero is actually good.
Also Extra has characters that aren't Servants, making it instantly better.
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>>157543474
>Gilgamesh
Yeah, didn't remember that one, or at least who did it.
>so?
Just pointing it out. You commented on my initial opinion. Shirou kills. Ilya kills. Sakura kills.
>Kohaku is great, but there's no denying Kohaku did a bunch of needlessly terrible shit that really makes it ridiculous to claim she was better than Sakura.
That's a matter of opinion. Yeah her efforts were needless from the perspective of "I'm saved lets live," but she wasn't coming from that perspective. Her goal was to ruin everything for everyone. Everyone was on the docket for revenge. Her entire life was centered around her hatred, resentment, and need for revenge in the same way you're claiming Sakura struggled with hope and hopelessness.

>Sakura is interesting
I still disagree, but that's me. I don't think she's a bad person (when she's possessed doesn't really count) but I still think she's boring, but those are my priorities. She plays a passive roll in all the stories, never acting. Yeah, her perspective is interesting, but her actions are bland and unrealized. She's assaulted, acts subservient, and what? And who does Sakura of her own volition kill? Shinji and... who? Avenger gets Gil, Kotomine does to Shirou, Saber and Berseker dies to Shirou, Zouken dies and has a moment of clarity speaking with activated-Ilya. What other villains does she dispose of? I forget who nabs Hassan.

I still think Rin and Saber are more interesting, in or out of a shounen action narrative. Rin doesn't really change over the course of the story like Shirou or Saber usually does, but she's strongly established.
>simultaneously adhering to two very different moral codes and finding a medium between them
>balancing those expectations with family/daddy issues of self worth and accomplishment
>independent and hesitant to accept help, as you see with her distance from other people
(cont.)
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>>157543474
>>157546426
Or Saber. She spends all of Zero having her world view shit on by her piers and her Master, even having her honor used as a tool when Lancer is forced to kill himself. She realizes slowly how powerless she is and how correct others are as she's confronted by Berserker, the result of her actions. She doesn't know how to fix everything or how to move forward and gives up, but Berserker runs out of mana so she takes the killing blow, and all she can offer Berserker is "I don't know what else to do so I'm going to do that".
She's a textbook case of affirmation bias. She's shown evidence of what she's doing wrong, and doubles down on her beliefs as a defense mechanism. It's not until Fate that she gets a reflection in Shirou (stubborn, self destructive, somewhat delusional), and they both get to face reality in Fate. She even accepts her role as the destroyer of the thing she sought and won't entertain an alternative to breaking the grail and fading away.

Transposed onto another narrative, a character dealing with self imposed stresses from families gone and social pressures, or a person who breaks down and doesn't have anything else to hold onto so they dig their heels in, both of these are more interesting than someone written like Sakura.

I see what you're saying about her, but the way she's written is boring. A character that is abused and is tormented by guilt and hope and hopelessness sounds cool. I just don't see it in Sakura, who does very little to affect the world she inhabits and then snaps, effectively becoming a completely different character.
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>>157540147
My nigga
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>Still no artwork of Lancer Arturia drawn by Takeuchi.
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>>157546579
>>157546426
Shut the fuck up, Mike.
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>>157546996
Why would you want that?
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>>157546426
>I forget who nabs Hassan.
Sakura, right after she crushes Zouken's last worm.
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Zero isn't cannon, its a spinoff like apocrypha and strange fake.
Don't mix FZ Saber with FSN.
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>>157547327
Because it feels weird that Takeuchi hasn't done it yet.
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>>157548147
Takeuchi probably doesn't like it and realises how fanservicey it is, compared to his cute but elegant depiction of Saber.
Probably feels like that about a lot of GO designs, but not enough to stop the milking.
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>>157548444
This. OG Saber a best
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>>157540147
swap baka for gedou and you have an image
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>>157547520
Strange Fake is the sequel to Fate though.
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>>157522045
>>157528383
>>157529472

>nobody ever draws Saber with hair as long as it should be to have her hairstyle, even in canon

Come on guys, where's my Saber with long golden locks reaching to her waist?
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>>157521459
Seiba is the absolute best
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I'm pretty sure you aren't supposed to like Sakura.
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I like Arturia {spoiler] as well as Nero and Jeanne[/spoiler] A LOT, but I feel like her character is cheapened a lot with all those Saberfaces (around half of which are really just Arturia in a different dress but treated as a separate character anyway because muh AU I guess?) running around since they are such obvious cashgrabs and/or give the Saber-haters reason to bash her based on her clones rather than her own merits.
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>>157529545
Sakura is the girl who sleeps around behind her senpai's back with all of her family members.

You have to have some really out there fetishes to like her.
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