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Why is genderbenging manga/anime so uncommon?

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Why is genderbenging manga/anime so uncommon?
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It's everyone's fantasy
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there is definitely never enough
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theres really nothing left to do after boku girl happened
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>>157520742
Yup, Ranma 1/2 made it popular, Boku Girl made everyone realize it was just another fetish.
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>>157520060
He is living the dream.
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>>157520742
I stopped reading Boku girl, what did it do?
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>>157520060
It's actually pretty common. There's a lot less in the west in terms of relatively mainstream media.
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>>157524872
This, it's almost unheard of in any other medium, especially if we're talking full magical transformation genderswap.

>>157524913
>Oversaturation of rape and mindbreak in genderbender
I ranted on that for ages last time we had this thread, so I'm going to shut up this time, but I wholeheartedly agree that there needs to be a lot more variation.

Tea of Sagittarius is a godsend when you think about it.
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>>157525088
Mai is a good girl.
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>>157525174
Boy*
Mai has a big cock
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>>157524913
The majority of hentai has the girl getting fucked until she loves the cock, so genderbending doesn't really stand out in this.

Though genderbending is ideally suited for mindbreak since a genderbent character has even more reason to resist the dick than a regular girl and mindbreak works better the more the character resists initially.
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>>157525174
what did he mean by this outfit?
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>>157525201
Mai's body is more feminine than most girls'.

>>157525227
One of her friends gave it to her to wear.
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>>157525201
Thing*
Mai has shitting-dick-nipples
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>still uses boku and ore as a girl
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>>157525326
I liked that Mai switched to watashi from boku after her transformation. Though she started doing it because she wanted to hide the fact she used to be a boy.
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>>157520432
Fuck, I forgot this was getting animated. Is it out yet?
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When the gender bender ends up being a tomboy is the best
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>>157525222
Personally I want more genderbender that falls into one of the following
>Boy is gay for other boy, other boy is straight, becomes a girl for him
The only case I know of is Strange Mansion.

>Boy becomes a girl, goes full yuri
There are more like this, but it's still rare compared to straight guy becomes girl learns to love dicks
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>is smaller and weaker as a woman
>is easily overpowered by a guy grabbing her
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>>157525790
Strange Mansion has the guy get a sex change operation so it's not quite the same as genderbending where a character is transformed into a biological woman.

Personally I love it when a genderbent character's mind also gradually turns into that of a girl to match their body and after struggling with that fact she succumbs to the urges of her new body and accepts that she's a woman.
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>>157525919
I prefer they keep boyish traits
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>>157525795
To be fair, that could be justified to an extent by the fact the character isn't really accustomed to their new body and can't use it as effectively.
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>>157525964
Except it's almost always explained as a girl's body being weaker, sadly
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>>157525919
It's pretty much the same shit, she just can't have kids. Which really, for japan isn't really much of a difference.
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>>157525963
Just because a character likes boys and comes to consider herself a girl doesn't mean that she has to lose all her previous traits.

Mai has some boyish traits for example. E.g. she finds ninjas and transforming heroes to be very cool and she likes reptiles. Also she's brave and a skilled combatant and can be aggressive when she or her friends are threatened.
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>>157526052
That's good
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>>157525986
>Except it's almost always explained as a girl's body being weaker, sadly
They are.
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>>157525790
>The only case I know of is Strange Mansion.
One of the Blue Drop manga does something like that, IIRC.
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>>157525387
It's out but it's disappointing.
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>>157526220
That's not necessarily the case.
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Theres lots of it, but the problem is they are all the fucking same, and they all take the comedy route which makes it goofy and cliche ridden and completely boring.
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>>157520060

Unless it does something good outside of corrupting the boy it only appeals to fetishists, and a niche fetish will never sell.
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>>157526396
It can.
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>>157526433

Twintails is more about being a hotblooded sentai parody rather than genderbending, all I'm just saying is it needs to be "Premise A with genderbending" rather than just genderbending some guy and working it from there, kind of like how Ranma was mostly wacky martial arts with genderbending on the side.
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>>157523508
It finishedhe stays a girl and goes with his mans
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>>157526578
Well there was Futaba-kun Change, which was basically Ranma but with slightly more focus on the genderbending aspect. Pity about the ending though, that was a mess.
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>>157526616
I'm still butthurt over that ending
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>>157526433
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>>157526691
At least there was an ending, which is more than can be said for Ranma.
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>>157525174
this is the best kind of genderbending
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Old men (loli) are the future.
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surprised I haven't seen this yet
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>>157527229
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>read 20 volumes of genderbender manga
>turns out the MC was never a boy, and was a girl from the beginning
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>>157527355
FUCK YOU I FORGOT ABOUT THAT
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>>157527355
>>157527411
boku wa mari?
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>>157527229
>>157527252
Is Tea of Sagittarius missing, or am I just blind?
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>>157527355
I didn't really care for Cheeky Angel anyway to be honest.
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>>157527572
>Cheeky Angel was just false memory syndrome
Are you fucking kidding me. Thank god I didn't get more invested in that series, I'd have been pissed at the end.
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>>157527601
Yeah. The MC had always been a girl but had her memories altered to think she was a boy.

I was rather disappointed by all the retarded crap those rich families were able to pull off. Even if you ignore the existence of police like the manga did, Megumi was from a really poeerful family too so she shouldn't have been an underdog.
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>>157525795

Women are smaller and weaker though.
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>>157527673
Drop it. The last thing this thread needs is this argument.
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>>157527690
What argument is there about basic biology?
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Boku girl is the gold standard for straight genderbender, but there are some similar manga that deal with changing gender which I can recommend.

Bokura no Hentai is about a transgender girl, so similar to Mizuki in a lot of ways. But it has a lot of the same story moments, such as starting to go to school in a girls' uniform. I really recommend this one if you're at all interested in LGBT themes in manga. I consider gender bender manga and transgender manga to be inseperable due to the protagonist either making peace with it or feeling intense discomfort with their new gender, so generally they're similar.

Nozomu Nozomi is short, but pretty similar to Boku Girl. The main character wishes to be a girl and becomes one, but keeps it a secret as they deal with the physical development of a pubescent girl. The art is really nice and its in full color.

Blazblue: Remix Heart doesn't really have the gender bending as the main story, but it is still a theme as the main character transformed into a girl a week before the plot, and gradually becomes a girl internally as well.

Finally, Shishunki Bitter Change isn't really gender bender, its a body swap manga, but it takes place over many years, with the main characters remaining switched all through middle school and into high school. I like this manga, because even though the main characters don't start to think as the opposite gender, it still deals with feelings of discomfort with your gender, for example: the girl in the boy's body feels discomfort about the size of her hands.

I think the beauty of gender bending is in either realizing that you wanted to be the chosen gender all along, or your thoughts and feelings realigning with your new gender. A lot of these manga deal with those themes of being at odds with your gender, which is something I bet a lot of you can relate to a little.
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>>157527229
Mizuki should really have the transgender tag. In chapter 106, she discusses how she had always wanted to be a girl but suppressed and ignored those feelings.
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>>157527818
You seemed to be too concerned with the whole trasngeder mindset. I just want to know which manga have the lewdest moments and moore interesting stories?
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>>157526052
what was the point of dropping your trip if youre just going to be as obvious with your posting?
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>>157528030
Cause nearly the entire board had filtered him. Even the spazziest, autistic attention hungry tripfags will drop it if they know their posts have become invisible to everyone.
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>>157527917
Nozomu Nozomi is pretty lewd. But yeah I'm more into the mindset of it.
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>>157528078
wow so filtering tripfags actually works?
who'd have thought
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>>157527818
The genderbending was very important for Remix Heart's story; it's why Mai got sent to the academy where the story unfolds, why she was able to remain incognito despite being the heir to a powerful noble family and why the girls wentvaround the academy looking for a way to help her (even if they didn't know what exactly they wanted to help her with).

Also it was central to Mai's character arc since much of her inner conflict and her identity crisis stemmed from her transformation. And the climax of Mai's story involved her accepting herself as she was.

If anything I'd say that this manga places more emphasis on the psychology and inner conflict of the protagonist than the majority of genderbender stories.
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>>157528078
You have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>157528125
I'd say it failed actually. I'd rather he put it back on so I don't have to see his autistic essays constantly repeated in every gender bender thread, and his stupid waifu in every single thread that's vague enough to warrant her.
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>>157528140
Eh, I kinda disagree with you there. Yes it was important, but it often seemed to take a backseat to the overall story. Whereas boku girl has Mizuki discussing every single chapter about how she wants to return to being a boy, and is constantly put in awkward situations for a boy turned into a girl, Mai's story isn't really focused on the gender bending, rather than the search for the Azure Grimoire. I'd say its more the backstory for the manga than the actual plot of the manga, unlike Boku Girl that uses the gender bender as the plot.
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Genderbend and trap manga are my favorite.
Could be wish fulfillment but I really enjoy them.
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>>157527623
look at the filename
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>>157528443
True, not every chapter focused on the effects of Mai's transformation, but the manga did show Mai adjusting to life as a girl even if it didn't explicity draw attention to that.

For example, at first she didn't know how to choose clothes that fit her and was somewhat uncomfortable with womens' clothes, but she quickly learned how and got used to them. She initially thought of other girls as being different from her and didn't know much about how they acted towards one another but that gradually stopped as she spent time with them. She was initially embarrassed to be seen naked by other girls and vice versa but she got used to it and stopped minding after a while. At first she found it awkward to be hugged by her friends but towards the end she happily hugged them to show her affection. Early she didn't openly cry but later on she wasn't embarrassed to cry in front of others. She didn't show affection towards cute stuff such as the Torifune panda, but in Variable Heart she rushed to hug a young girl because she found her to be cute. And of course she stopped showing interest towards other girls and instead started being attracted towards boys.

And Mai accepting herself as a girl was the turning point of Mai's character arc and the point at which the manga concluded.
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>>157531344
>this will never happen to you
I don't feel despair, only emptiness
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It's gay as fuck and degenerate and basically you should kill yourselves.
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>>157531344
>Accepting being turned into a woman
What a gay, he never deserved his dick to begin with then.
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>>157531818
She decided that she was happier that way, so why would she want to turn back?
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Which gender bent character has the best butt?
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>>157531818
I would accept it whole-heartedly
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>>157520060
Ranma was very much normie level manga and anime
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>>157526232
I can't find it, what name is it under?
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Oh baby, look what went up yesterday.

https://exhentai.org/g/1065669/303165a8d9/
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>>157535834
Boys getting turned into sexy girls and becoming sluts is really hot.
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Post your favorite pandas.
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>>157535834
>Typical pervy old man teacher trying to "document" the genderbent guy for "research"
>Typical blackmail material footage
>Typical humilitation
>But he really was just doing research and lets him/her go
>S/he just gets on with things instead of being permanently mindbroken
It's the little mundane twists that make all the difference. I love it.

>>157538450
Absolute classic:
https://exhentai.org/g/444703/d39f66bb04/

Recent favourite:
https://exhentai.org/g/769517/28116b23cf/
https://exhentai.org/g/838973/ee2304d00f/
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>>157533446
I love Mai's butt.
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>>157525795
>is smaller and weaker as a woman
>is easily overpowered by a guy grabbing her
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>>157520432
Image search isn't working and residence is a rather often used name. Willing to help a brother out?
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>>157538133
That's my favorite thing in the world because I self insert
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>>157520060
because it's to good
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>>157538133
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Ranma is sexy
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>>157523479
>is
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>>157539641
There's also this one but it never got fully translated.
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>>157539647
Ranma's teasing (especially Yoiko), pretending to be Ryoga's girlfriend, and that motherfucking fishing rod bit was the starting point for me.
There's no salvation anymore.
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>>157539814
Just give up.
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>>157539888
You're assuming I ever fought it.
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>>157539947
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>>157538450
best doujinshi: https://exhentai.org/g/1057551/d058a74b24/
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>>157540633
>gay shit
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>>157540751
>Genderswapped guy X girl
>What is and isn't gay within genderbender
Let's be realistic, that's another discussion that isn't going to go anywhere constructive.
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>>157540751
>>157540901
The usual term for gay girls is lesbians, but yeah, it's either physically gay or mentally gay.
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>>157540901
that manga was the wrong kind of genderbending
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>>157541171
I don't follow.
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>>157540633
This had my top three fetishes: yuri, lactation, and genderbending. Yet
>mfw getting through the second arc
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>>157541171
They should have gotten based Blackjack to do it.
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>>157538918

[DATE] Residence ~Yuganda Negai de Shoujo ni Kawaru~
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>>157541900
Not necessary, those Thai surgeons are basically magicians. Even real girls in-universe can't tell that they used to be guys, even when they do the most retardedly overt shit.
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>>157541854
I fucking need an alternative ending.
Also translation of this: https://exhentai.org/g/811805/7ac311d3c0/
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>>157542187
Those Thai surgeons didn't have such an excellent taste in idols though.
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>>157542700
Nah m8, Lina and Chika are top tier.
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original magical genderbender coming through

Surprised the madman got away with a literal physical sex change in the Edwardian period.
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>>157540901
>>157541387
More translations never

Anyone seen any recent raws? Any of the girls hook up with any guys yet?
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>>157527690
Go back to tumblr you fucking cunt. Women are physically smaller and weaker than men. Stop whining about reality.
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>>157543534
I might try and do some TLs at some point when I actually have the time to dedicate to it. I'll need an editor though.
>Anyone seen any recent raws? Any of the girls hook up with any guys yet?
Difficult to say. In the most recent chapters, they go on a quiz show and end up spouting a whole load of vulgar shit. The TV producer gets seriously into it and requests a 4-way with them from the Boss, promising them to get them further up the publicity ladder, and the Boss being a total asshole roles with it. So far they tried to get out of it by horrifying the guy with a) Airi growing a full beard (again) and b) Mari exploding her tits (again). Unfortunately he was really into that as well, so now it's down to Chika to save them from getting fucked. That's the cliffhanger from the chapter that came out today, so who knows what'll happen next.
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>>157542187
That manga seems to try and derive humor from being gross, which puts me off.
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Is it just me or have there been a lot of genderbender threads recently?
I like it.
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>>157531733
I have a package for you.
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>>157526275
anyone know the name of this one? I've tried everything
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>>157546516
I don't know what this is, but I like it a lot.
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>>157546839
try google
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>>157527818
Where's a good place to read Nozomu Nozomi?
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>>157547347
The bed
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>>157547347
the usual places
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>>157543476
Ok, I'm a pleb. What work are you referencing? I know GB stuff that goes back to Ancient Greece.
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>>157547422
The Oz books.
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>>157547383
>>157547412
Thanks anons
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Who had it best? Who had it worst?
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>>157534399

Same.
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>>157548038
Ranma had it pretty good. One of the strongest martial artists in the world but with enough worthy adversaries to never feel unchallenged whilst also having an exciting harem and a killer body (both male and female).

Boipucelle had it pretty bad. Didn't even survive long enough to win the Snowbowl or even confess and was murdered horribly in only her second fight (and the first one wasn't much of a fight in the first place). Poor schmuck didn't even get much of a chance to develop his character and was actually killed entirely off-screen in the LN. Truly a shit tier fate.

Other people who died but actually came back would take second place for worst I guess, like Kaito and Tanya.
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>>157548038

Wait that actually happened in Space Dandy?
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>>157548438
I've seen this question asked every time the chart gets posted.
Dandy was meeting alternate universe versions of himself.
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>>157548038
Does Log Horizon really count? They're two different entities, aren't they?
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>>157548038
When did Kinnikuman get a girl version?
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>>157548038
My favorites are Dandy, Ranma, Kite and Kanade.
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>>157548506
Yeah, they're both the MC's characters, with her being a female version of his main.
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>>157548506
Bottom row left isn't gender bender either.
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>>157525795
What if a weak, tiny trap gets genderbent into a tall, muscular gyaru?
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>>157548506
A lot of those don't really count. Qwaser for example only had the MC disguise himself as a girl. The Nisekoi one was presumably non-cannon.


>>157548592
That female avatar was created by the MC but is controlled by a different entity. It's not the same person.
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>>157548360
At the very least, he got to meet future Snow White in a dream. Everyone else involved had a lot of fun except for Snow White.
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>>157548592
But we never actually see Shiroe using his female avatar, do we, it's just Roe2 using it isn't it? Damn shame too. Or does that happen in the LNs?
Tetra or Akatsuki would probably be better choices anyway, although Tetra's male form is an unknown, I suppose.

>>157548781
That's a very small bit of sollace for what's probably the worst fate of any genderbender character. Outside of hentai, anyway.
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>>157548566
Lady Kinnikuman.

>>157548506
I was going for more "male and female versions of the same character" comparisons. I guess I could go gender-bending only, but it would be a smaller chart.

>>157548695
>Qwaser for example only had the MC disguise himself as a girl

He got actual girl parts in the virtual reality segments. Remember that one scene where the tables were turn and she got HER tits sucked?
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>>157548781
And he attacked her because he thought that future Snow White was a fake thanks to her character development.
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>>157548695
But the MC saw her as his main character's female version when he created her.
I get that it's supposed to be a list of characters and what they look like when genderswapped in their series, but for all intents and purposes she's the genderswap version of MC's main character.
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>>157548847
>lose best friend(s) because you're an idealistic, pacifistic scaredy cat
>turn mind to steel and become the goddamn magical girl Batman
>end up further isolating self from family, friends, and getting molested by a little girl for months on end
>have to get saved by worst girl
Snow White could save the universe of Madoka Magica if QB hooked her up to a misery-accumulating machine.
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>>157548838
Virtual reality isn't really genderbending. Sure the MC had tits but he was fundamentally a man with a female avatar.

I had added the majority of the characters in this image (which is why it has Qwaser even though I don't think it should be there). I'm tempted to make a trimmed down version that only includes the MC from series focusing on genderbending rather than any series with a gag scene.
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>mfw I'll never be a cute girl
Do I just end it now?
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>>157548038
>>157549102
Hatsushiba had it pretty damn good too. Obviously having to keep his forms a secret for most of the series was a nuisance, but he had one of the best controls for switching forms and got unconditional love from both girls by the end. Pity the ending and general development was as shallow as a drained sieve.
>You will never have a cute tomboy accept both your male and female forms
Only he and Ranma can really boast that, and Akane never really stops being completely tsundere about it.
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>>157549962
>He literally has the same name as a boy and as a girl
>Nobody realizes

>>157549147
Not until we can figure out if reincarnation exists. Or until we build holodecks.
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>>157549147
>Born too late for genderswap cyberspace or outright cyborg bodies
Damn. So close, too.

>>157550446
>Nobody realizes
It's a pretty fucking dumb manga, to be honest. The characters and story really aren't up to much even by typical GB standards, but at least the character interactions are cute and fun.
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>>157550741
>Too late
Early, even.
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>>157548695
About Roe2. How are two people accessing the same account at once? Wouldn't Shiroe get kicked off while Roe2 is online?
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Made an improved version of that chart which only includes genderbent MCs where the transformation is important to the story.
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>>157520060
>Why is genderbenging manga/anime so uncommon?

Are you fucking new?

It's more prevalent in manga and anime than anywhere else in any fucking medium.
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>>157525073
>>157526433
>>157526578
>>157526758
I remember getting part of the way into OreTwintails but stopped after catching up during airing and never went back to it. Can't for the life of me remember why, I should probably go back to it at some pont.
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>>157551195
Stay away from Ore Twintail. The entirety of the series was founded on a single bad joke and the characters were awful. It had a standard ultra-dense harem MC surrounded by one-dimensional girls who literally threw themselves to him and begged for sex only for him not realize they liked him. And of course the genderbending was practically an afterthought; the MC happened to transform into a girl to fight, but you could remove that and almost nothing would change about the series.
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>>157550741
I agree. Gacha Gacha Secret was dumb, it didn't really do much with the genderbending aspect and just ended up being about an unpopular dude in a love triangle with two beautiful girls. And the story just kept dragging on without leading up to anything and the ending was both stupid and abrupt. The final story arc came completely out of nowhere to try and inject drama without building on anything that was shown before. And it was resolved through a stupid deus ex machina and it had no effect in the story or characters, making it all completely pointless.
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>>157538450
https://exhentai.org/g/628469/533c9f64be/
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>>157551085
I kinda wanna see the work that some of those MC's come from but is there a list of their works at all?
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>>157525795
You know they want it.
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Probablt because its fucking dumb
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>>157551874
>Femdom where the genderswapped guy is the dom
Christ, there simply isn't enough of this.
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>>157551282
Well, yeah. It's LN stupid.
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Tetsuwan birdy
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>>157546839
https://exhentai.org/g/777596/e81e2747b2/?p=2
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>>157538450
https://exhentai.org/g/273345/de0cb1f981/

>>157551874
My brother, Aji Ponntarou is amazing. Wish her untranslated pandas would get translated
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>>157533446
I vote La Pucelle because her butt comes with a lizard tail you can hold on to.
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>>157551085
Ichiniensei ni nachattara was so fucking disappointing towards the end. Stopped being about fun childhood adventures and went into to weird battle shit
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Still hoping this transformation appears in the Keroro manga proper and isn't stuck in a dead mobile game (and a card game) forever.
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Mai
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>>157526324
where is this from?
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>>157526274
A strong girl is stronger than a weak boy, a strong boy is stronger than a strong girl.
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>>157561470
A world without AXED.
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>>157561648
A world without NTR
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>>157538918
I found the OVA on muchohentai if you're still looking for it.
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>>157526609
>love gender bending, but endings where the character changes permanently feels bad man
>like really bad, like can't get it off my mind for a week
I can't even tell how I am suppoesed to feel about this shit anymore. Its been getting worse lately too. I can't even read hentais with bad ends. I get this horrible case of emotional blue balls and wind up unable to masturbate for like 3 days.
Someone please tell me they found a cure for this feel, because I am thinking of dropping /a/ forever because of it
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>>157561910
Become a CEO.
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>>157561967
What? How will that cure anything? I'll be a rich asshole who still has a problem with his main fetish. fuck I wish I never masturbated to porn ever. Then I could have become a super normie and I wouldn't be sad posting at midnight on a fucking chink cartoon image board.
Fuck, I think I should finally go see someone to get some help. This place is slowly fucking killing me and I can't get away
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>>157526324
>high heels
>cute
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>>157562169
It's the most reliable way to become emotionally dead.
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>>157562278
ah, I guess so. or maybe a drug dealer or something? any job that surrounds you with normy misery so you become unfeeling? now I think i get it
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>>157562351
>or maybe a drug dealer
That's one of the more reliable ways to become physically dead.
And most normalfags don't do drugs.
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I can't believe my thread is still alive
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>>157559463
Yeah. My guess is the author ran out of ideas and so tried to give the manga a completely new direction. Even for a comedy it felt completely forced.
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>>157562982
It's been a while since a good GB thread. It was comfy
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>>157526274
There is an endless amount of evidence that that is exactly the case.
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>>157557139
I would probably like Amadume Ryuuta if he could draw more than 4 people.
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>>157561910
I love permanent transformations myself, especially if the character comes to self-identify as a woman.
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>>157563720
Any good sources there?
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>>157538450
Literally anything with ranma. I've masturbated to each one on panda
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>>157563791
Genderbending series that have been fully translated and where the character remains a girl and ends up considering herself a woman:

Blazblue Remix Heart, Boku Girl, Idol Pretender, Megu Milk, Nozomu Nozomi, Sekainohate de Aimashou.
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You can't go wrong with gender benders who can still kick ass
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>>157565009
Any ones where they end up considering themselves as themselves, regardless of gender?
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>>157565173
What do you mean? Characters who still consider themselves to be the same person? I think they pretty much all do that.
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Think gene therapy/surgery will ever get to the point this could convincingly happen, or is VR our only hope?
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>>157565561
Gene therapy wouldn't work since you'd literally need to restructure your entire body. Surgery can't do that either.
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>>157565561
>>157565595
CRISPR CAS9 will eventually allow for the reliable editing of somatic cells. Also stem cell engineering is fucking magic.
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>>157565702
So what? Even if you could push a button and replace someone's Y chromosomes with X chromosomes, that wouldn't cause their body to suddenly reshape itself into a woman's. They'd just have a male body with an XX karyotype.
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>>157565725
You're right but that's why I mentioned stem engineering because with refined techniques you could do something as drastic as replace most of their body or the maybe just the parts of interest.
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>>157565808
In order to turn into a biological woman you'd need to change every part of your body, even the shape of your bones. And of course that includes your brain as well, which would probably lead to a mind wipe.
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>>157528872
That one episode from Haiyore was truly amazing.
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>>157565980
>And of course that includes your brain as well, which would probably lead to a mind wipe.
god, that is so hot
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I just watched Kämpfer and it was total shit.
Is this a good genre or total feitsh shit-show?
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>>157561672
>NTR
I should have listened.
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>>157565561
Until we can mold bone structure, it's not happening.
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>>157566178
Know any hentai with this exact premise?
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>>157565561
I'm telling you, full-body cybernetics is what it'll have to be. It's still way too early.
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>>157565561
What's the point of gene therapy if it can't make me look like a cute anime girl?
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>>157566548
yes
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>>157566548
There is no real genderbending anime, only series with genderbending as a secondary element. Kamfer, Ore Twintail and Ranma are all comedy/harem series with genderbending thrown it. Try looking at some of these series: >>157565009
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>>157565702
This

Crispr is literally magic
>>157565561
Give it 30/40 years, same with stalling aging
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>>157565173
trans star's a nice oneshot that does something like that.
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>>157567171
why is this? Japan seems to have more gender bender works than most countries, and yet its all concentrated in manga and light novels. Why no anime?
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>>157567477
Probably because this is still too niche. Anime is much more expensive than LNs or manga to produce and thus needs to have a broader audience to be profitable.
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>>157543644
But if we had an MC (male) that could absolutely rape the shit out of the antagonist (also male), but the antagonist uses some bullshit spell/ring/device to turn the MC into a females shouldn't the MC still have some ass-kicking ability instead of being fucking useless? Male or not, if someone trains for combat their entire like, they should kick ass, period. I only tolerate the one where the MC turns the tables by fucking the Demon King into submission. Keyword: Tolerate
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>>157567477
>Anon to Production Committee: "Please spend _ million dollars animating my fetish"
How do you expect people to respond to this?
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Can Ranma get pregnant?
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>>157567846
This spinoff has an alternate story where the Maou genderswaps the Hero, but the hero is still stronger even though her strength has been reduced.
https://vndb.org/v4506
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Superior magical girl (male) on the left
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>>157567926
Where did my pic go
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>>157567477

Because regardless of what tumblrfags think and how much Moshe and co. try to push it everywhere on the internet, it's very niche and wouldn't be profitable if they had to hire voice actors, animators, etc. Thank God.
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>>157567886
Hmm... I'll look into it. Thanks, Anon
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>>157568057
Play the main game first and that fandisk second.
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>>157568071
I definitely will do that. Looks like an interesting game.

Are there any English patches out for them. By the way?
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>>157567995

We've seen how they push it through comics and even films in the West (see the last Ghostbusters movie) so I'm glad it probably won't ever catch on and won't make it past niche light novels in Japan.

And genderbending is just a gateway, look at the kind of shit you see on /b/, /r9k/ or other sites.
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>>157568092
No English translations exist. You could try using Atlas together with ITH I guess.
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>>157567881
yes; people throw animals into the girl fount to have sons with they; and the children born with the animals habilities.
What happens if he turns back into a guy meanwhile is pregnant? I dunno
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>>157568125
Darn. Well, thanks anyways! I guess it's time to learn moonrunes.
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>>157568117
Yeah man, Ranma was created by a Jewish conspiracy in order to destroy Western civilization. Your worldview is as disconnected from reality as that of creationist fundamentalist Christians.
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>>157568117
all heroes are now girls and niggers. FUCKING LIBERALS
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>>157565980
Neuroplasticity son.

Or basically, while it would certainly change your brain and thus your mind, the degree to which it does would certainly not be a mind wipe.
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>>157568163

That's the point, in Japan it's usually just a weird quirk or niche fetish relegated to manga or the occasional offbeat scenario in a few series. That's how it should stay, despite people somehow claiming that it's "uncommon" (it really isn't).

There's already a huge push to genderbend Japanese videogame characters like Link from the West, which is bad enough, they're gonna do it to anime too.

>>157568173

And it's failing, much to the chagrin of /co/mblr.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/marvel-comic-book-sales-falling-vp-diversity-women-a7662771.html
https://heatst.com/entertainment/marvel-cancels-ta-nehisi-coates-black-lives-matter-comic-due-to-poor-sales/?utm_content=buffer6db36&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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>>157568701
>genderbend Japanese videogame characters like Link
Link's gender is irrelevant, it'd be exactly like adding a gender select to Pokemon.
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>>157568173
Nah, that's just Marvel. DC does it a little better.
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>>157568765

Yeah no. Haven't played any Zelda games in a while, but from memory:

- A lot of scenarios involved gendered interactions and dialogue like with Princess Zelda and Ruto from Ocarina of Time. I've heard that the last Wii game (Skyward Sword) also has a lot of them
- Link is an established character, It doesn't even make canonical sense since the original legend is about a "boy rescuing a girl" (meaning Zelda and Link). Those were Miyamoto's words. Aside from slight variations like hair color when a new game came out on a new platform, it was mostly the same Link in a different universe (just like Zelda or Ganon). Just because Gordon Freeman from Half-Life is mute, doesn't mean you can change his gender at will
- Link has a been a boy for over 30 years, it would make no sense to change him suddenly now. They would've done it in the first few games if that was even on the map. The same people pushing for this would probably flip out if a female character like Samus or Zelda was "genderbent"

With an iconic character like Link, and the storytelling, it's a lot different from a Pokemanz game.

See, this is the exact kind of thing I'm talking about. Female Link used to be kind of shit that was limited to manga, fan fiction, and fetishes on the internet, now people seriously think it would be a good idea to break decades of consistency to have gender-neutral and genderbent "whatever" everywhere officially, regardless of whether it makes sense or not.
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>>157567477
The appeal of stories focused on genderbending itself and the consequences of it is rather limited, which is why the gender bending stuff that gets animated either has other focus, like martial arts/comedy or is just a small story inside a larger show (like the Kokkuri-san two parter).

>>157568117
I don't see how genderbending in the sense of this thread is related to that at all though. Those are new characters replacing old ones, not old ones changed.

>>157569287
Link is an exception due to not really being a single character and having already gone through various design changes. Heck, in Breath of the Wild even the iconic tunic is reduced to an optional end-game reward for completing all shrines (and doesn't even appear in the backstory or anything else) or crossover items from the past game's Amiibos.

Now, obviously, some people, like yourself, disagree about that, but this kind of discussion only exists about Link due to his nature in the first place. You don't see people claiming for a gender option for Mario or Dante.
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>>157569040
DC has the glorious earth 11
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>>157567881
>>157568149
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>>157570671
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You've been genderbent into a cute girl, and you have to pick one of these to wear. Which do you choose?
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>>157571356
Bottom left.
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>>157520060
>is uncommon
Nigga you high? There are probably more genderbending anime/manga works than in all other cultural and literary traditions combined.
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>>157571356
Why would I be wearing anything?
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>>157571356
Bottom row, third from the left
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>>157548038
Souji had it best. Almost complete control over the transformation and it gave superpowers.
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>>157570072
>I don't see how genderbending in the sense of this thread is related to that at all though. Those are new characters replacing old ones, not old ones changed

I was just giving an example of the West trying to pressure Japanese creators to conform to the same mentality that has infested Western media since the guy was asking.

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2015/06/30/e3-2015-why-you-cant-play-as-a-woman-in-zelda-tri-force-heroes?utm_source=IGN%20hub%20page&utm_medium=IGN%20(front%20page)&utm_content=3&utm_campaign=Blogroll&abthid=5592dd286e0ef0a14f000007

>Link is an exception due to not really being a single character and having already gone through various design changes.
So have other Zelda characters like Ganon and Zelda, or even just Nintendo characters like Fox or Samus. The justification for "genderbending" was always fan fiction and post-hoc rationalization though. Clothing changes, different hair colors, or one game having cel-shaded aesthetics don't suddenly turn a character into a complete genderless, raceless, species-less blank slate.

>this kind of discussion only exists about Link due to his nature in the first place
More like it's the only reason why they were able to push the "discussion" so far before getting blown the fuck out, whereas they don't have a case for most other characters.

Just one look at Western media, and it would show you that there doesn't need to be any rationale for it:

>female Ghostbusters
>female Fight Club
>FemThor
>Pregnant Spider-Woman
>Black IronWoman
>Black Captain America
>Spider-Nigger
>Female Wolverine
>talks of Black Bond
>Ocean Ocho

The only reason they haven't pushed it as far in Japan is because TPTB don't have complete control of the markets and production over there like they do in the West, so all they can do is use their control of the media to harass Japanese producers or get more control over platforms like Netflix to coerce them into doing it (see Black L in the new Death Note film)
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>>157571768
So you could enjoy taking it off.
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YES
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>>157572477
>muh sjw conspiracy
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Ranma is best.
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Fuck off back to /pol/ I want to fap in peace.
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>>157572477
Fuck off already. Go wage your retarded crusade elsewhere.
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Is there a genderbending series where the guy becomes a girl and then goes lesbian?
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>>157546516
It's so absurd I love it
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>>157571356
who is that girl?
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>>157573485
I'm sure you will enjoy this
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because genderbender is garbage
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>>157573666
It's only one page so the source is pixiv.
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>>157571356
Bottom row, middle-right. Easy.
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>it's a /pol/ derails a thread episode
It was nice while it lasted, anons
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Why bother to come to the one board where your retarded ranting doesn't apply
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>>157573620
Seems like entrapment to me, but I wouldn't complain .
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>>157573620
>Has sex in public
>gets rewarded
I don't understand.
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>>157573620
>the police officer
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>>157571356
>No skirts
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>>157573620
>the blonde is also the judge
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>>157573620
I want to fug a cute loli judge then magically be turned into one too
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>>157573620
What the fuck is wrong with this artist. It's like Dowman Sayman meets Dan Kim.
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>>157567221
Stalling aging in 30/40 years, sure, but this will take another 100. Though if you can stall aging, that's not really an issue that can't be overcome.
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>>157576373
Isn't this the same artist who made those lewd anthropomorphic cell phone drawings?
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>>157576442
I think so
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>>157575989
I totally didn't notice that the first time, haha.
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>>157575635
That's not entrapment, don't you see ? They cut his snake !
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>>157568173
Don't be bitching about Falcon becoming Captain America. They didn't just race swap Steve Rogers, and at least he's not Hydra. Wait, silly me, of course he is. the end game for marvel is everyone realizing it's just different factions of Hydra fighting each other to gain control of a world they already control and didn't realize.

If you want to be pissed, thor's probably your best choice there.
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>>157576601
I was waiting for someone to make that joke.
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>>157576655
Take this debate over marvel and shit to >>>/co/
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>>157569287
So? Do a lazy job, don't change any of the text, and thus make the female link gay. That's pretty much how this shit work in /v/idya. It's how we get the nonsense scene in Fate Extra where Rin tells the FeMC she doesn't understand girls. Which I guess is possible for a girl to not understand other girls, it's still silly to say to another girl.
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>ywn been genderbent and wear cute girl clothes
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Kanojo ni naru hi isn't too bad if you're looking for a guy gets turned into a girl for good.
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Cheer up everybody, at least you're not a trans
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>>157576857
>wanting to be a 3D girl
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>>157576970
>implying a trans is a girl
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>>157576970
This, I don't give a shit about being a 3d "girl", I want to become a 2d girl.
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>>157573370
Kashimashi.
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You've been genderbent into a cute girl, and you have to pick one of these to become. Which do you choose?
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>>157577081
42
White/silver hair is one of my favorites.
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>>157577081
>Closest thing to drill hair is still way off
I will settle for nothing less than drill-hair ojousama.
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>>157577081
34.
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>>157577081
11, because my love for maids rivals my love for genderbending. Ideally I'd work for an anon who got turned into an ojou-sama type.
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>>157577183
>>157577157
Now kiss.
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>>157577081
61
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>>157577081
34
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>>157577081
34
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>>157577081
>>157577157
I have to agree with this fellow patrician here. Bring out the ojou options.
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>>157565561
If something would allow you to transfer your consciousness into another body, like some sort of weird ass brain transplant, while keeping nerves and all that I can see it happening in the not-too-distant future. I doubt gene therapy and surgery alone would be able to do the deed though.
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>>157577513
GITS has a better chance of happening before that imo.
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>>157577569
I'd be extremely happy with being a cyborg girl, to be honest.
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>>157538133
Sauce ?
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>>157576313
We all want that. And is not magic, is science bitch
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>>157571356
Shimapan, no doubt. Just think how much the guys would love it if they saw what I was wearing
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>>157577601
>gunnm
You enjoy suffering I see.
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>>157520060
>uncommon

You got me fucked.
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>>157577646
boipucelle
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>>157576789
Oh, sure. cause I want Zelda, has at least somewhat of a consistent track record, to become pandering garbage.
The guy who created the witcher has a good point to use in this case. If you want a female adventure hero, go make a game with one instead of saying it's the job of nintendo to make it for you
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>>157573620
>they fuck
>she calls the police
>she is the judge
>the cop also gets turned into a loli
Deepest lore
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>>157577724
I don't even keep up with Kasei Senki these days, it's just gotten too silly. Original manga or bust.
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>>157577757
The part you don't see is the convict becoming the next snare. It's cyclical.
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>>157577757
I think she is an encover cop who pretends be a prostitute to catch guys like him and start a loli army
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Admit it, who wouldn't fuck Boypucelle?
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>Wake up
>See this

How do you proceed?
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>>157577917
I would, but I'd rather be her(him)
Ideally in a different kind of setting.
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>>157577919
If this happens, I've obviously been magically put in the 2D realm as well, so masturbate a bit then go out intent on reenacting some of my favorite H-manga
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>>157577919
Go find my inert body and fuck it.
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>>157577919
Do i still have all my fetishes?
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>>157577919
Masturbate for a full day
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>>157577919
Live my dream life as a semen demon
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>>157577919
Get breast reduction surgery.
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>>157578108
It's ok, you can always be the chuu-ni loli.
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>>157578215
source of the fempov please
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>>157578215
>get turned into a girl wearing a skirt and pantyhose
Good, so i don't lose time changing.
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>>157578356
https://endchan.xyz/tsf/
here you have a lot of gender bender threads, including POV
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>>157577752
>The guy who created the witcher has a good point to use in this case. If you want a female adventure hero, go make a game
That's a pretty terrible point actually. Most people don't have the skill to make a game, and most of those who do are making games for someone else's company or don't really have the time. It's perfectly valid to ask game devs for content you'd like to see in their games, and devs are perfectly within their right to say fuck off if they don't want to. Then it's on you, the consumer, to give feedback on the decision with your money.

It's an especially bad reply in this case, since the standard for games like this has become heavy character customization. Now, there are legitimate arguments to the story telling potential of a preset character, and I'm not actually criticizing the Witcher or Zelda for going this route. Having a single predefined character means you can make the characterization more central to the story and don't need to worry about "what if the player made a character like this" when writing. One of the weaknesses with a game like mass effect is who shepard is can't be too tied up with the story, since who shepard is depends on who the player made Shepard. there are certainly valid arguments for both approaches. However, the guy should have said that and not "herp derp go make ur own gaem." That should never be and acceptable reply. It's just used to shut down criticism the person doesn't want to hear.
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>>157520060

Because genderbender never talk about menstruation. Why change genre of men when they never bleed.
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>>157577919
Fine a mouse and drop it down my shirt.
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>>157578568
except they do that all the time
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>>157577999
Taniguchi does stuff like this.
>>157578356
Reverse search it on panda, it should work.
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>>157520060
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>>157577917
I kind of feel too sorry for him/her. Maybe if fucking her somehow resulted in saving her from that shitty Battle Royale fate, then I guess.

It's annoying when genderswap magical girl is pretty uncommon especially outside of eromanga and even less common in non-h anime. Damn waste, to be honest.
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>>157520060
Former men already know everything there is to know about cock, and therefore can't be defeated by it.
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>>157579538
Almost genderbent characters in hentai become addicted to cocks.
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>>157579538
Or they realize how powerless they are against it and give in that much faster.
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>>157578568
It's actually a plot device in Futaba-kun Change.
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>>157579538
>>157579668
>>157579695
There really needs to be more doujins where genderbent guys enslave the cock. GB femdom is tragically untapped.
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>>157578526
>However, the guy should have said that and not "herp derp go make ur own gaem." That should never be and acceptable reply. It's just used to shut down criticism the person doesn't want to hear.

No it's an effective response to shut them up without going into an in-depth explanation about why their demands are stupid and bad. Especially since most of them don't listen to reason, and ultimately it just comes down to personal opinion, politics and preference. You can make as many coherent rebuttals as you want, but they won't listen or will just say they disagree. It's not "criticism you don't want to hear", it's "retarded demands you don't want to affect what you enjoy"

Plus most of those people aren't really competent critics. They shouldn't be rewarded for spending their life doing useless things like getting indoctrinated by "critical theorists" in college and spending their time complaining about the most shallow things while people who don't have time to do it have to live with the consequences of this whining.

Ideally they should be out of their jobs but being told to fuck off and make their own things is acceptable too. You said it, Zelda isn't Skyrim or Mass Effect, never has been. Producers usually can't freely tell them to fuck off because of who controls media outlets and because of potential backlash.

Also it's ironic that you say people who don't have the skill or time to make something are free to harass producers as much as they want, but then the people who have to live with the changes can only "give feedback on the decision with their money". Why not the other way around?
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>>157580076
>gender bender
>Male and female form do not look alike
I hate that
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>>157580635
>No it's an effective response to shut them up
It doesn't shut them though, and just makes you look like an asshole.
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>>157580644
>Male and female form do not look alike
Futaba is okay, the other characters are a bit much though.
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>>157580776
there are more gender swap characters?
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>>157580939
A number of characters in that series can change sex.
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https://pastebin.com/wDPafRYH
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>>157580939
Yeah, his sister, his dad (who's actually his mum), his fiance and eventually Misaki. Misaki's face doesn't actually change at all in guy form though.
Also there's an entire island full of them.
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>>157581007
Here's a more recent version of that list, though I haven't updated it in close to two yeas, so its missing some more recent series.

>Bodyswap:
Akane-chan overdrive, Ani ga Imouto de Imouto ga Ani de, Aru Asa Okitara, Beast 9, Danshi-ing Girl, Dou Danjo, Fukushima Metamo Kiss, Futari no Himitsu, Gyakuten Honey, Im Not Spy, My Barbaric Girlfriend, Woman in the Man, Yamada-kun to 7 Nin no Majo
>Bizarre:
After School Nightmare, Fire Candy, Kedamono Damono, Raven;od
>Delusion:
Boku wa Mari no Naka, Cheeky Angel
>Possession:
Alice on Deadlines, Boukun Tyrano-san Taruby, Joshi Shougakusei Hajimemashita, Jun-ai Sensation, Moriyama Daisuke Tanpenshu, No Side, Not Lives, Return, Shut Hell, Urara-chan no Naka no Hito, Yukarism
>Transformation:
Adolescence Avatar, Ame Nochi Hare, Asuka Hybrid, BlazBlue Remix Heart, Boku Girl, Boy Alice in Wonderland, Boy Meets Girl Girl Meets Boy, Click, Conveni-N, CUTExGUY, Entrans!, Fukigen Cinderella, Futaba-kun Change, Gacha Gacha Secret, Grant My Wish Aizen, Ichinensei ni Nacchattara, Idol Pretender, Kampfer, Kanojo ni Naru Hi, Kanojo ni Naru Hi Another, Kashimashi ~Girl Meets Girl~, Magical Change, Mahou Shounen Majorian, Mahou Zakkaten Vi Via, Mao Marimo, Megu Milk, My Childhood Friend Turned into a Girl, My Father is a Loli, Naisho no Otome Revolver, Night Witch Variable Witch, Nozomu Nozomi, Nyotai-ka, Okitsune-sama de Chu, Ore to Hero, Ore Twin-Tail ni Narimasu, Otome no Iroha, Oyajina!, Ranma, Sai Taker Futari no Artemis, Saikyou mahou shoujo Akira, Seijou Kouchakan no Jijou, Sekainohate de Aimashou, Shonen Linda, Tayutama - Kiss on My Deity, Tomodachi Kara Yoroshiku Desu, Tsukiyo no Fromage
>Surgery:
Artificial Maiden, Balance Policy, Blue Drop, Boku No Shotaiken, Haikyo Circle, Kakumei no Hi, Panikuru Iko-san, Strange Mansion, Vampire Doll
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>>157581007
>>157581040
>Vampire Doll
Only one I got localised copies of apart from Ranma. I can't even remember how it ended, seemed pretty rushed IIRC.
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>>157581040
>Saikyou mahou shoujo Akira
Is this any good? Looks like it hasn't been TL'd.
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>>157581329
It's only a single volume and it's about a guy who transforms into a loli magical girl. I only looked through the raws but it didn't seem particularly interesting.
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>>157581423
Where are the raws, if you don't mind telling me? I can't find any in the usual spots.
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>>157581634
Here's what I found:
http://www.mediafire.com/?483p74acjmrr2mn
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>>157577081
32
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>>157581736
Thanks, much appreciated.
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>>157581040
Idol Pretender looks neat, is that any good?
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>>157581944
The pacing is bad and some of the characters behave stupidly, but I did like the way the protagonist developed and it's a short series so you can read it pretty quickly.
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>>157577081
56, because I want a high power level and like robes.
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is it still genderbending if the mc is a boy whose mom told him he was a girl, made him dress like a girl and go to a girls school
and he's a magical girl (male)
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>>157582155
No but that seems like it could be hot too especially if he still insists on being a girl leading to many cock shenanigans
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>>157526274
>>157525986

Check this out, you huge faggot.
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>>157582639
Left are men and Right are women by the way.
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>>157582639
>men are stronger than women
REALLY MAKES (You) THINK!
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Cute girl.
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>>157577081
5
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>>157582639
That's people in their peak performance, on average any decently fit female is much stronger than your average slob male. The biggest gulf in strength between your average man and woman is women aren't taught to use their strength or to get strong.

So I agree, women are weaker than your comparable man, but not as great as people make it out to be . Further any woman who makes a decent effort is stronger than your average man. Ultra fit men turned into still fit women and then raped and overpowered by fat slobs and pathetic nerds really breaks immersion for me. If they want to pull them fucking a fat slob it shouldn't be "oh shit women are so weak even though I'm so fit I am raped now?" it should be "oh shit I'm a straight woman and now I want smelly cocks so I'll let him fuck me?"
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>>157586158
Or just say that they don't know how to properly use their bodies yet and are this overpowered by people weaker than them.
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>>157586158
You're proving nothing and convincing no one. Give up and go away
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>>157568163
Except that marvel comics was created by stanley lieber (stan lee), and he's a jew.
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>>157586290
>I'm wrong so I'll just tell you to go away because I can't handle it
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>Fairy wants to turn you into a girl
>You accept

What kind of girl do you want to become?
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>>157587994
Tall. Not completely flat. Not a big ass. Wide hips. Good face.
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>>157587994
Anyone who doesn't answer "a little girl" is from reddit.

>>157588115
There he is!
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>>157587994
A cute lesbian magical girl with a goth loli themed outfit.
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>>157587994
A cute ohoho ojou.
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>>157587994
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>>157587994
I want a senran body
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>>157587994
This sort of one
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>>157587994
Tall, slender, wide hips, above average breasts.
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>>157588959
excellent
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>>157587994
Only with twintails
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>>157573620
So does only the officer's arm get turned into a girl?
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>>157520060
I want to tittyfuck those titties
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>>157591411
I want to become an attractive 2d girl and let anons tittyfuck my titties.
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>>157577081
49 or 34
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>>157587994
>Loli
>Also turboslut
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>>157591443
Can I have sex with your pussy too?
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>>157591913
Only if you buy me dinner first.
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>>157577081
>not a single proper ponytail

What the fuck is this shit
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>>157527531
its a haruhi suzumiya doujin, not sure if that really counts
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>>157520060
>men want to be women now

What kind of chemical is the government putting in our food this time?
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>>157592214
>now
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>>157592214
There's a difference between entertaining an idea and becoming a full blown mentally ill tranny faggot.
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>>157591967
Kyon pls go
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