Anime has plenty of incest but it's mainly brother/sister, there should be more Father/daughter incest.
There should be more Aunt/Nephew/Niece stuff. Or cousins x cousin stuff.
>there should be more Father/daughter incest.
daughter fuckers get fucked, this is the year of the motherfuckers
>the only sex that involved fucking the hole you came out of
>not wanting to fill your daughter with the sperm that made her
I din't say that
but nothing beats being wrapped in the warmth of your creator
The first generation of incest has the same chances of having defective offspring than a non-blood related couple.
So all you have to do is make sure your children don't fuck or having a single child.
I concur. Give us Yuri or give us death...
...I'll show myself out now.
abortion, also soe people are inherently more prone to breed an autistic or retarded offspring, is easy to identify somebody that has highter chances of producing a bad offspring
sex is a tool, not a language.
It doesn't matter how equivalent it is, my point is that I and many other people don't really give a shit about the original purpose of something, we'll use it how we like. Your utilitarian views will not bring you any happiness.
Because the entire thing was set up with a cute father/daughter relationship and then all of that development was thrown away for this "let's fug" ending that was antithetical to everything that came before it.
Yeah, but I want something slightly lewd and cute, not just straight porn.
>You can use birth control.
>sex is a tool, not a language.
Does one have to understand this?
Funny. I used to be completely repulsed by the very concept of aged men going after young girls, let alone incest variants of this, but a decade after I can actually empathize with them. Or maybe it's just unconscious self-inserting.
That's false, the first generation will already show more "defects" aka detrimental recessive alleles (genes variants) being expressed. But, with enough inbreeding and if you weed out the defective elements you'll eventually get rid of those unwanted alleles. The downside is that by doing that you reduce the genetic diversity in the population which loses a lot of adaptability in front of a changing environnment.
I still don't get why it bothers people. When I was younger I just naturally thought it didn't matter how old two people were if they both loved each other. I thought it was just fair that older people should be allowed to fall in love too. What if the person you fall in love with is born many years or even decades after you?
>raise a girl for a dozen or more years so that she can be the best girl
>give her to another man to fuck
I don't usually use shitty memes, but if you don't want to fuck your daughter you're truly a cuck.
Stop quoting random words without context, faggot. Are you the same fag from that other thread going on about how love is folly and sex is only for the purpose of reproduction?
More than a similar couple with less genetic closeness.
I don't know about old women having babies, but it's not the same mechanisms and I assume that in most cases you'll have less problems than by having a baby with someone you share 50% of the genes with.
General chance of genetic defect is 2%, doubled for cousins and (mathematically, as it was never extensively researched) quadrupled for siblings or other pairs with 50% closeness like parent/child.
The chance of down's syndrome itself for a woman over 45 is close to 10%, and the risk of other chromosomal aberrations is even higher, but most of those are lethal for the child. The risk of other disorders like autism and schizophrenia also increases significantly with mother's age.
Things would be different around here if Asashio was my daughter
That wasn't what the discussion was about to begin with, you just brought that out of nowhere.
I admit not knowing much about the subject, but you're probably clueless aside from what you've read on /a/.
Yes, older women have more chance of miscarriage or giving birth to children with Down or genetic disorders. But if you have a single recessive allele associated with a monoallelic disorder and you give it to your daughter, then one in four of the children you'll have with her will be ill.
Don't tell me that's not worse.
Again, that's unrelated to what we were discussing but whatever.
These figures are reprensatitive of the general population, but a given father/daughter couple may have healty children or a fuckload of handicapped kids.
I don't want to stop you from having incest fantasies, you don't have to bring up the retarded "muh late pregnancies mean a lot of birth defects" just because I corrected some anon's bullshit.
It's the other way around, it's fun and feels good because this way people are more prone to fuck and have babies. With this I'm not saying it's wrong to have sex just because or making a moral statement of any kind.
>Again, that's unrelated to what we were discussing
What do you think you have been discussing if not birth defect chance in incestuous couples?
Because going by comment chain it seems like it's exactly what you have been discussing. have you have resorted to shitposting/pretending to be retarded now?
I think she is perfect for father/daughter incest.
Kill yourself, nigger faggot.
We were discussing birth defect chance in incestuous couples and I'm saying bringing up old women is unrelated.
The thing is it adds up. A young woman in an incestuous relationship will have more children with birth defects than a young woman in a non-incestuous relationship. An old woman in an incestuous relationship will have more children with birth defects than an old woman in a non-incestuous relationship.
Your reasoning of saying incest is fine regarding birth defects because old women won't have healthy children either is equivalent to saying very old people are not healthy and being a smoker is not worse than being old so smoking tobacco is fine.
>pretending to be retarded now?
At least you don't have to pretend.
Yes, I know the fun and stuff is just due to evolution, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the means and not care as much about the end. For example, do you play a computer game to bring peace to whatever conflicts are present, or because it's fun to slaughter virtual enemies?
Actually the drama and sexual tension is what turns me on the most, they know that society thinks it's wrong, they feel guilty, but still go with it anyway, the first true kiss is my favorite part, i can find raw porn elsewhere, but that part is hard to find
Father daugher is rarer because it's harder to pull off, and requires a lot more set-up and convoluted shit, and even with all that might still be uncomfortable as fuck.
The dad can never be the one to initiate interest.
The dad has to put up more than token resistance
You need a "traumatic" event for the dad to accept, like losing wife
Plus you'd need for both of them to not be too far apart in age, but you're still dealing with 16 to 25 year gap which even without the family bonds makes it awkward.
good taste, /a/nons
If you're reading father/daughter incest I don't honestly see how you all of a sudden find the father making advances "rapey". Since when is it only creepy when a guy initiates an incestuous relationship?
I came to assert that sibling incest is superior to cross generational
Cross generational is weird I don't understand how you can get off to it and not think of your own parents and instantly lose arousal
For similar reasons I don't understand why anyone would want their partner to call them mommy/daddy or some variant
brother-sister incest is the only one i like.
because i don't have a sister, so it's easy to get into it.
mother-son is disgusting when i imagine it with my own mom.
same with father-incest
ALL kids want to fuck their mum, your mum and your ideal yourself is exactly what you want to fuck, incest is retarded, but fucking your mum is not wrong.
>tfw my mom keeps trying to do this to me
w-what does it mean?
Perhaps. I don't want to fuck my mom, I actually can't fucking stand women like her and my type is almost the complete opposite. She's bitchy, and afraid of her own shadow, and because of this did everything in her power to isolate her children from other people and indoctrinate them with her own retarded fears. She also hates violence to the point that she completely ignores any news and hates to even hear mention that bad stuff happens. She thinks there are gang wars and shit in our own boring lifeless suburban shithole. She's also a fat fucking landwhale and makes my younger siblings do all of her work while forcing my dad to overwork himself, and he still stays with her even though she is nothing but unkind to him when he comes home tired. She's a feminist of the bad kind and believes in a matriarchal, socialist society. My type on the other hand are girls who are frank, not deluded about the world, fearless, energetic, skinny, and a bit crude and violent and don't mind getting dirty. Above all I would like a girl who believes in love before utility and the importance of the individual over everything else. Now my point in all this is that peoples partners will reflect their parents, either as very similar or very opposed.
Hotel Dusk anime when
But it is
>hurr durr peoples consent doesn't count if they don't think about sex the way I think they should
So what if they don't view sex with the same values the standard normalfag adult does? As long as they know that penis goes in vagina, and a baby can be created inside of them, they know as much about sex as they need to. Having all the fears and serious views on sex that normalfags do is not a necessity. Is an adult who never forms those opinions regarding sex also not allowed to consent?
>and can't possibly have any long-lasting psychological effect
Like? And remember that anon's scenario is of two people who consent. Or "consent", for the sake of your normalfag mind not exploding.
>can't possibly have any long-lasting psychological effect
Any study that comes out contrary to the "psychological trauma" meme gets shot down by public harassment of the scientists and trying to publish anything that might even imply it is basically career suicide. American public opinion on the subject is so extreme that there is no way to objectively study it and come to a conclusion one way or another.
No one thought anything of a father dicking his 14 year old daughter? Yeah right. And for reference the age of consent in my country is 15.
Are we still talking about incest? Parents or parental figures are crucial for the mental development of their children, even during their teenage years. It doesn't matter whether the kid, male or female, thinks they agree to have sex, that's granted to have a strong psychological impact which may develop into serious issues later on in their lives, especially when dealing with future partners and sex in general.
Honestly, does this really need to be spelled out? It's one thing if the child is old enough, say at least around 20, but if they're 17 or younger sex should be out of question.
I think it's because it makes the girls who get off to it and have electra complex's feel bad.
It also upsets older women who are terrified of being ousted by younger women and their own daughters in some cases.
It's odd that this gets such ire, even when it's 100% consensual or even romantic and not pure sex, but litterally every single other type of incest even the most full on hardcore abuse of power and manipulation type stuff including mother/son most interestingly enough is given the big thumbs up and called the hottest shit ever.
It's weird. Can someone explain it too me. Other then saying "it am bad in real life" or "creepy" I'm curious.
>thinks they agree to have sex
No dude, that's not how it works. If they agree, they agree. Even if they change their mind about it afterwards, that changes nothing.
>future partners and sex in general
But the idea here is that their sex partner for life IS the father. You fucking retard.
>but with enough inbreeding
Probably why the Muzzie populations are beyond fucked with a thousand years of marrying their cousins. Score one for the Christfags at least. Their dude nailed by the Jews got it right from the word go.
Incest in romance can work when it's cousin x cousin or brother x sister because they're people that grew up together and fell in love due to circumstances. A father-child relationship doesn't work that way, as the father can raise his child however he wants, any sexual relation will serve as proof the parent isn't fit to raise a child.
>Men dominate the way society sees sex, and most of them would be creeped out by the thought of fucking their own daughter.
Explain the sheer volume of mother son/adopted son porn created by women.
Erectile dysfunction and coitophobia for starters.
>But the idea here is that their sex partner for life IS the father.
Doesn't matter. But even if it did, can you predict the future?
I forgot about that part, but I think you realize "there are no studies that prove x is wrong, thus x is wrong" is not a valid argument.
The father being the initiator, and the author not being able to understand that this is wrong, is a proof of bad writing.
Look at Sade, the fucker spent his life raping and torturing women of questionable age, and even he was sensible enough to condemn these actions in his books, and show their consequences. Not because of any religious or philosophical beliefs but because it's common sense that something like a father abusing his daughter won't end well. And to give a happy ending to such a story would be ignoring how human relations work.
I mean that it's ok for women to make mommy porn because that's also appreciated by men, but since men are not that likely to be into daddy porn then it becomes the worst thing ever, regardless of how women feel about it.
I'm sick of all this argument over psychological stuff when it doesn't matter anyway because if a writer says "this character is not affected badly by this" that's how their character is. It doesn't matter how a normalfag would react, because these characters are not normalfags. Plenty of people DON'T react to things the same the average person does, so even assuming those studies are correct, the people for whom it was not the case applies to the characters in the story.
>there are no studies that prove x is wrong, thus x is wrong
>there is no way to objectively study it and come to a conclusion one way or another.
There have been studies that prove it wrong, but they always get shouted down by the public rather than being accepted into the body of knowledge. Burden of proof still on you.
Read the fucking argument.
The story being believable is vital for good writing, otherwise the story fails to convince its reader it has any meaning and exists solely as wish fullfillment.
>Read the fucking argument.
What argument? "it's wrong because i'm fucking retarded and can't imagine a scenario that isn't the worst thing possible therefore no other scenario can exist also i'm not a normalfag stop saying i am"?
i enjoy mother/daughter, myself
you're a fucking retard, it being a taboo is part of the charm in these kind of stories, of course they think it's wrong because of society standards, but they go with it anyway because of their mutual feelings
>future psychological repercussions
who the fuck cares, it's fiction, i just want a good story, they live happy ever as far as i'm concern
it doesn't matter, man. i don't seek out father/daughter myself, but you gotta realize that it's different strokes for different folks
>Define good. Also why ?
In my case,good is a synonym to quality.
In the broadest sense, a story's purpose is to transmit a message. "Good" in this case is how convincing the author is.
>Why is wish fulfillment bad?
It's not bad, you just don't gain much from reading such a story. It'd be like spending your time watching pornography, or smoking weed.
There's nothing better to trigger normalfags.
"Hit and don't get hit" is still a message you know, just a simplistic one because 2hou focuses more on gameplay.
Care to give an example ?
I'm here because I like anime, and because I hate the way people act on other websites and in real life. I'm totally uninhibited regarding sexual matters though, as long as it's arousing I like it and if it isn't I'm indifferent to it.
My sister was 16, I was 10. We were fooling around, pretending to be doctors. I got a boner, things escalated, she used my dick as a dildo. I'm bad at explaining stuff so I won't try to elaborate too much, there isn't really much to tell. I just began masturbating more as a result.
Dad, I kinda made a mess preparing breakfast.
I'm not going to ask for more, but I would definitely appreciate it
The fundamental problem with your argument is that the real reason you don't think incest is moral is because you think it's icky.
The arguments you give sound like a half-hearted attempted to rationalize your irrational decision.
Sibling is good, but I prefer aunt grooming nephew incest.
No, she just seems like prime molesting material
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.
She's the perfect daughter, that's also in love with her dad.
I find the art gross.
The incest doesn't bother me one way or another. I find that it typically adds another layer of dimension to the story. But this is mainly because I'm desensitized after reading all the horrible things on sadpanda.
Ushio is for straight rape or blackmail rape. It's more lust for her
Molesting of Asashio is something done slowly over a long people of time
They both start with "pe"
It's easy to confuse them
I'm going to take my cute daughter to the park and kiss under the Cherry Blossoms!
Pretty much my ideal to be honest. I'm pretty bishonen looking myself, just add a nicer ass and slightly less of a jaw and we're good to go, and personality wise I get along with myself pretty well. I think I might be a bit of a narcissist.
Practically speaking, it's quite easy to live with someone who has the same values as you. I think it would be worth pursuing.
At the same time, it would mean giving up the chance to get to know someone different.
I learned something new today.
shit taste desu, mother x son(non-shota) a best
Is having daughters the ultimate cuckoldry?
I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than having a daughter. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are feeding, clothing, raising and rearing a girl for at least 18 years solely so she can go and get ravaged by another man. All the hard work you put into your beautiful little girl - reading her stories at bedtime, making her go to sports practice, making sure she had a healthy diet, educating her, playing with her. All of it has one simple result: her body is more enjoyable for the men that will eventually fuck her in every hole.
Raised the perfect girl? Great. Who benefits? If you're lucky, a random man who had nothing to do with the way she grew up, who marries her. He gets to fuck her tight pussy every night. He gets the benefits of her kind and sweet personality that came from the way you raised her.
As a man who has a daughter, you are LITERALLY dedicating at least 20 years of your life simply to raise a girl for another man to enjoy. It is the ULTIMATE AND FINAL cuck. Think about it logically
incest porn is my shit but can't get into the idea of wanting to fuck my mother
not that i moralfag those who do
The older I get, the more father/daughter seems to appeal.
It's gotta be just right though or else it's awful. Age distance can't be too great, both have to be nice looking, story can't be too dark.
What about your daughter that is also your Niece?