/a/ character chart - Part V

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>Pick a character
>Do they suffer more than the character below but less than the character above?
>Do they deserve it more than the character to the left but less than the character to the right?
>If yes to both, character is placed correctly in relation with its neighbors
>If not, change accordingly

Then keep going until the chart starts making sense. Ideally, considering characters belong to different genres, suffering would be relative to the character and should be valued on how much of a big deal it is for him/her

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Misaka Deserve 40 not 55

>>157461594
And should be in the S:80 compared to the ones around her.

>>157461594
Why would she deserve it less than Touma?

>>157461652
Now that I see it, why Touma is even than high in deserve level? He should be in 30 something since he basically didn't bring most of the shit on him but dragged to it.
Misaka brought some shit down on her but most of it was Sister arc only and wrong decisions, so 40 or 45 is enough.

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>implying Umaru hasn't suffered
>implying she deserved it

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>>157461759
How about this?

>>157461101
Itachi Uchiha
Suffering: 70
Deserved: 35

Gaara only suffered during childhood, the rest of his life was great. Itachi had it worse; killing his own clan, hated by everyone, killed by Sasuke who was one of the few people he still liked, etc.

>>157461101
Holy shit i remember people telling the orinal OP to fuck off with the chart. This is actually nice

>>157461101
Where is Yabuki Joe?

>>157461862
Can we put him somewhere with D 30?

Also figure something about Misaka too if you can.

>>157461101
Why in the fuck are Polnareff or luluco suffer higher than gon who lost his mind after loosing his spiritual brother or Cúchulainn who is literally a half god that lived literally like a dog, ending betrayed by someone who killed his true master.

So much meme.

>>157461884
That spot is filled, how about S80/D65?
I understand his suffering but even knowing what would happen (being labelled as a traitor) he killed all his own clan.

>>157461902
Where would you put him?

>>157461101
Sakura Matou should be in the highest suffering though.

>>157462076
I'm not sure actually, he did deserve some of it for being a dick but he had a hard life. Maybe somewhere around Shinji?

>>157461101
anthy didn't deserve any of it.

>>157462145
No
>>157462022
Part of it was my fault when I suggested that Luluco should be higher than clannadman, I do think we can revise that.
>>157461862
As someone with no knowledge of Raildex, I do agree that Montecristo did deserve a fair share of his final suffering. I have no objection to moving him rightwards.

>>157461101
Kariya should be at s:80.
He is literally the guy who wanted good things and got manipulated by everyone. He suffered physically and mentally more even than Sakura.

>>157462008
Going from 50D to 30D is a big jump and everytime someone suggests to move Touma a shitstorms starts, I'll move him as I showed before and later we could move him more to the left

>>157462163
That part is completely full, isn't there a good open spot for him?

>>157462022
Didn't Gon live a good life before that though? And was healed after by Killua's brother?
We could change him with S50/D30 and then with S50/D35, how about that?

>>157461101
I'd pump up Punpun few pegs on the direction of "how much they deserved it"
Currently on same line as Brook, who didn't deserve much any of his suffering (and also suffered way more than 75)

Brook to S85D25
Punpun to S85D50
Isekai guy one up to S90D50

>>157462288
He pussied out from his responsibilities, everything he did was for the sake of impressing his waifu and when that failed he tried to kill her, all in all a shit person who deserved most of his suffering.

>>157462285
We could try move Luluco down then, but we can't change her with Megumin since a lot of anons were complaining about her
What do you suggest?

>>157462285
>abandoned by her father
>used as a guinea pig for years
>worms
>raped by her shitty brother

sakura had a hard life.

>>157462325
Ok then we move him there. thx

And Misaka?

>>157462366
>who didn't deserve much any of his suffering
wasn't he a pirate right in the middle of the grand line? He kinda deserved it

>>157461101
Why does Gintoki deserve the suffering, he's a cool guy.

>>157462373
But he suffered a lot more than durarara blond dude, or one piece aniki.

>>157462377
I am honestly at a loss. It doesn't help that I am feeling very tired.
>>157462384
I never denied that, she's fine where she is though.

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I don't know if Joe would deserve s80,d65.

>>157462325
>We could change him with S50/D30 and then with S50/D35, how about that?
Perfect, just right to Akane.

>>157462394
>and Misaka?
Same thing

>>157462366
How about PunPun to S80D65 and then Brook to PunPun's spot?

>>157462499
We could move Joe to Brook's spot >>157462474

>>157462377
>>157462444
Anyone know who is the guy on S50/D20 anyway? We had some complains about him and his suffering

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Nogi Sonoko
Suffering 90, deserved 50 (for being gay).

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>>157461101
Kokoro-chan for Deserve:50, Suffering:10

>>157462577
>Suffering 90
What happened to this poor girl?

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Reposting from an earlier thread
S: 25
D: 55

>>157462285
> Luluco should be higher than clannadman
Why? I think clannadman suffered waaaay more than luluco!

>>157462576
There should probably just be a pastebin/google doc keeping track of this for now in text form with Position/Name/Series.

>>157461101
>Uzuki on 25/5
She's was a cowardly bitch that got improved by the suffering, I think it was pretty well-deserved.

>>157462576
No clue. While we're on the topic, Kumagawa and Kirei really need to be moved lowerd.
>>157462655
Clannadman got his waifu back, Luluco never got her man back.

>>157462499
But putting her at the same level as Accel in D level is too much, 40 is the most suitable. Also comparing her to the ones around she S 80

>>157462583
>>157462627
Adding them
>>157462577
Since the suffering is kinda high, what happened to her?

I'm taking longer to update since I'm editing directly the final version, not the sketch.

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see this fag face still make me angry
fucking ungrateful ningnong

>>157462706
Teenage love =/= wife anon kun.

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>>157462619
>>157462749
tl;dr one of "those" mahou shoujos

pic related
One of her friends died protecting her, another forgot about her completely, and she was left alone. Now crippled 21 times and cucked out of her gf to boot.

But maybe another YuYuYu character suffered more later on, I've only seen first two arcs.

>>157462706
The pain of seeing your wife die or being unable to save your daughter is something more tragic than this trash teenage love, anon.

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>>157461101
S : 55
D : 90

>>157462793
>>157462869
And losing something is different from not losing it. Your point being?

>>157461101
Move Kikyo (S: 95 D: 60) to S: 80 D: 65

>>157461101
Fuck off already. cancer.

>>157462828
Oh, there's another character from the series on 75/30.
If there's a "one per series" rule, that one can stay since it's a good rep and my fav character.

But in terms of suffering difference, 90 is fitting.
I think being gay isn't a "deserved" enough reason either, but unless you can move her lower, to like 10-15, it's a good enough stretch. There's a bit of dispute whether she was pure as a tear, or if her airheadedness caused shit to go down.
I don't know character on 90/15, but she'd definitely fit between Kenshiro and Okabe, if you were to shift them a bit to the right.

>>157462983
I see you didn't understand Clannad's message. The point is not the happy end, but everything he had to do TO get his happy end. Luluco is a comedy, we already know there is a happy end, and characters dont live a tragedy. Clannadman did objectively suffer way more than Luluco. Just see everything he had to do, and compare it to what Luluco did.

>>157463083
You are the cancer here, go to bed kiddo.

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Suggestions and rationale.
Kirei moved down: he lived being pampered and spoiled, can't say the same about the others on his level of suffering. He did have terrible psychological issues though, so I think moving him next to Kohaku does him perfectly justice.
Kumagawa didn't suffer 90 by a long shot, he's nowhere close to Subaru. His pain is more psychological than anything, and it's something he will very likely outgrow.
Akane and the fag from hagani switched, because while the fag is a fag, he's not a sadistic asshole, just a careless dude.
>>157463197
I understand he suffered a lot, but his suffering brought a change about. He was close to the person he loved once again. Luluco puts in effort and it's all in vain. I guess we're comparing two different things here though, for one thing is the effort you put in and one thing is the result you achieve.

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>>157462732
Oh by "same thing" I meant to change it

>>157462828
>>157462919
Added

>>157463013
Removing 15S? Why?

I think I'll go back to the sketch, moving things around takes a lot of time

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S: 60
D: 75

Motherfucker was ready to become a monster in order to unite humanity against him

>>157463353
>Removing 15S? Why?
She really didn't suffer as much as CC, Homura or Rika who lived literally hell FOR CENTURIES. Kikyo did suffer same as Meliodas or trunks thou.

>>157463299
Oh are you the other chart anon?
If no one disagrees with these changes, they will done
>>157463388
Adding

>>157463465
No I am the autistic guy with the arrows.
People seem to think that I am in charge here but I can just use paint and draw arrows. I am glad to be contributing though.

Are we still undecided on Homura? I didn't see her in the latest edition.

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>>157463299
S: 90 D: 35

Why is Sanetoshi so high in both Suffering and Deserved, wasn't he given a chance to win again in the end?

>>157461101
How can Kyubey suffer if they don't feel any emotion?

>>157463353
Thx, it make sense now for both of them.

Defining who suffered more than others is a moot point because its highly subjective specially in such a detailed scale (ie. 05 difference).

>>157463512
Oh wait, now I do. They just used a different image from last time.

>>157463556
Homucifer dumped all the despair into them at the end of Rebellion.

>>157463511
Oh right. I like your arrows
>>157463536
>S90 did he suffer that much?
>>157463537
Where do you think he should go?
>>157463512
In the last thread some anons recommended a new image

Again, if nobody disagrees with this: >>157463299 It will be done

What exactly did Killy do to deserve tens of thousands of years of undertaking his herculean task so much? He was made by the Governing Agency to fix the City and did his duty, Removing Sillycone doesn't warrant a D-axis that high.

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S60
D75

>>157463651
Anon, I was talking about Raildex characters.

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S 30
D 50

>>157463537
At least swap him with Johan, Johan is a lot worse than Sanetoshi

>>157463679
Sanetoshi in my opinion should fit to the right of Slaine, so S60 D75

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>>157463679
You'll have to think up some labels or regions to keep the chart interesting OP.

From the last thread:
>Bottom left: Slice of Life
>Bottom right: Assholes
>Top left: Cry corner
>Top right: Good villains
>Center: Complex Characters

>>157463813
To be honest Johan at least had kind of a reason. Sanetoshi was just an asshole.

>>157463679
>S90 did he suffer that much?
He was killed by a demon posing to be a castle's lord during one of the Yōkai Taijiya's missions and was made to kill every Yōkai Taijiya that was there. He is later revived by Naraku as a human puppet and has a Shikon no Tama shard embedded in his back to keep him alive and under the control of Naraku without memory of what he had done. [...] When Naraku controlled his mind he was forced to kill everybody including his own father, it left him in a state of shock. Naraku then used the guilt-ridden Kohaku as a pawn and puppet for his dirty work. Though Kohaku was a gentle boy, he was easily manipulated by Naraku to commit terrible acts because of his weak heart. He desired to forget the memories of killing his father and companions and allowed Naraku to erase them so his mind would be more at ease. After several encounters with Sango and her comrades as Naraku's pawn however, he begins to remember his sister and his life as a demon slayer. The memories bring back his extreme guilt and sorrow, thus, he decides to kill Naraku and redeem himself. Kohaku is also very self-sacrificing about his own life compared to others, such as giving his own life to save Kagome, who had been taken hostage by Naraku. Kohaku's greatest desire is to face his father and comrades in the afterlife with an apology and be forgiven. http://inuyasha.wikia.com/wiki/Kohaku

>>157463744
We could swap him and Squealer, and move Squealer to D55, what do you think?
>>157463746
>>157463811
Adding

>>157463813
>>157463855
2 suggestions for Sanetoshi's position, isn't D75 too low?

>>157463353
>Sakura 40
Why though

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>>157463353
See
>>157403742
>>157397045
Though it seems 85/10 is now filled, so I'd suggest Chrono to S:80/D:65
Dude spent his entire life fighting, first for the wrong cause, later for a lost cause. Saw the woman he loved die in front of him (being the cause of her death) while being unable to save her. Spent ~1000 years in penitence just to be waken up and suffer the same fate once again.
Not to mention the NTR in the anime version.
Medium deserving since after all, he caused his own suffering, and the suffering of many others when naively following the bad buy.

Numbers for Naraku I'd suggest S:40/D:90
Manipulative psychopath murdered thousands of humans and his own kind. Never got his own hands dirty rather using others to do his job. Died an awfully quick "death".

>>157463855
Deserve is too low.
>>157463951
D90 should be good.

>>157463951
Not him, but I'm in favor of putting Killy in Squealer's spot and shifting everyone to the right.

>>157464001
My bad, didn't see he was suggested here already >>157462919
But I'd still lower the S number.

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S 95
D 90

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>>157462828
>But maybe another YuYuYu character suffered more later on, I've only seen first two arcs
You called?

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>>157463746
Spot was taken, I put her on S60/D80 is that ok?
>>157463890
That sounds good, it will be done after the we decide the positions!
>>157463909
Oh, sounds worth of 90S. He will be added in the next update
>>157463299
Since nobody was against this, it was changed.

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Kohaku should be on 65 or 70 axis, she suffered almost as much as Sakura

>>157464060
I second that

>>157464248
>>157464219
I second this. Anon, you could put her next to Kiara (S 80 D 95).

>>157464219
We're so close, anon! Great Job!

LNfags, rate Tatsuya Shiba aka Onii-Sama

>>157463536
Oh that spot is taken, would S90/D45 be too far from his character?

>>157464001
Do you have a better pic of Chrono? that one is kinda blurry
How about lower to S40?

>My Kaneki pic was changed
Rude

>>157464219
Put Sanetoshi beside priest guy from F/Z or in his spot.

Where did you guys even move Kurosawa to? I can't find him.

>>157464368
>Oh that spot is taken, would S90/D45 be too far from his character?
>>157463909
>The memories bring back his extreme guilt and sorrow, thus, he decides to kill Naraku and redeem himself. Kohaku is also very self-sacrificing about his own life compared to others, such as giving his own life to save Kagome, who had been taken hostage by Naraku. Kohaku's greatest desire is to face his father and comrades in the afterlife with an apology and be forgiven.
Yeah he really don't deserve much...

>>157464219
>Spot was taken, I put her on S60/D80 is that ok?
She was an antagonist and tried to kill her own sisters but she has less victims on the conscience compared to some dudes on the left, so I think you shoud put her a little more to the left, but do as you wish

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>>157464219
>bern deserved 100
Thats 100 more than it should be

>>157464428
35,40

>>157464146
Uh anon, I think we have a lot of characters from Umineko no Naku already, sorry

>>157464248
>>157464321
How about S70/D90?

>>157464060
>>157464264
If no one is against this, it will be changed.

>>157464339
Thanks! You guys helped a lot

>>157464404
But...but.. isn't this one better?

>>157464421
If no one is against this, it will be done

>>157464482
Hm, we have a problem. That area is completely crowded

>>157464219
I really think Okabe should be lower S.

Remember guys, if only ONE character is different on his line/column we should move him, not block other characters from moving because of him
>Flashback to when Angra manyu was on S90

>>157464587
>Hm, we have a problem. That area is completely crowded
How about Lordgenom at D 45 and Kohaku takes his place?

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>>157464368
>How about lower to S40?
If it was compared to Rosette alone that would make sense. Now that I think of it, he can't be higher on suffering then her.
Still, comparing to the other characters on the S40 tier it's dumb to place him there.
You could bring him down to 55 and bump everybody 1 square to the right, if that makes sense.

>>157464368
>would S90/D45 be too far from his character?
Not him but I don't think Kohaku deserved any suffering at all.

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Tenzen Yakushiji
S: 70
D: 80

>>157464587
>How about S70/D90?
S70, D80 or 85

Johan D90 or 100

>>157464496
I was thinking about switching her with Garou but he spared normal humans and only tried to kill heroes so he "has" a moral code, I don't know.

>>157464624
I mean, he was kinda in the same situations as subaru kun should be pretty similar in terms of suffering.

Guess he didn't have to kill himself though

>>157463125
I second the shift.
There's no way she deserved it as much as Homerun.

Where is Ohgi in this?

>>157464742
It would be better if he was the same S as Subaru, I think. He didn't suffer more, as you said.
>he didn't have to kill himself though

>>157464219
How come Lordgenome deserves his suffering less than Subaru, for example? The guy abandoned his daughter(s) and tried to kill the MC's group multiple times. Being right about the universe doesn't absolve him of all of that. I say we bump him to at least D 60.

>>157464864
Bottom right

>>157464699
>>157464886
Sounds fair, if no one is against this it will be changed.

>>157464705
>You could bring him down to 55
But he's on S55! I think I didn't understand
Thanks for the pic, S80/D65 was filled though, is S85/D65 good?

>>157464707
Adding

>>157464708
If no one is against this, it will be changed

>>157464886
This. That anon is right.

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>>157464735
I don't know Garou well enough. Did he redeem himself significantly? Because at the end of her character arc Suigintou fought solely to save her beloved human's life. If yes, leave it as it is. If no, switch them

>>157464624
>>157464765
Agree. Okabe is too high

>>157464587
Changes in this posts were done, since nobody complained about them.

Sorry guys I'm fast adding pictures but slow swapping characters. I'll post update soon

>>157464219
How about swap Okabe and Viral? Okabe deserved less and Viral more and Okabe suffered less than him, sounds legit, right?

>>157465024
Steins; Gate 0

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>>157464935
>But he's on S55!
Wait, how?
I suggested S80/D65, you mentioned lowering him to S40 and I said S55/D65
Are you confusing him with Naraku? That one is indeed at S55

> is S85/D65 good?
Yeah. Although now I'd suggest to move Rosette, but whatever.

>>157465148
Agree that clannad daughter from parallel world is too low.

Don't samefag in this thread, please.

>>157463545

>>157464935
>>157465148
Ugh, I deleted the reply with pic related.

Suggesting to move IW girl up. She's spending eternity alone in a dimension where the only living soul is herself.
Mew2 could be also bellow her, if we consider the others on the same line. He was genetically engineered and tortured for decades to become a killing machine.
despair.png girl could also go down. She was raped, that's it. Lots of other characters in the chart were raped.

>>157465148
Oh I thought you were talking about Naraku

>>157464219
I thought Misaka was moved to S:80?

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I love Utena and feel bad for what happened to her, but she honestly shouldn't be on 90 axis, she's 65-70 material.

Shizuo shouldn't be so ridiculously high too, compared to his neighbors he's low-level sufferer.

Please, at least switch her with Shizuo and put him somewhere on 20-25

>>157465129
i agree, he should be in the same line as Subaru, their suffering are very similar. one could even argue that he suffered less than Subaru since his pain was mostly psychological

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Is Yomi in there yet?

>>157465435
No way Shizuo has suffered less/the same as Izaya.

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Alright guys, every request above this post >>157464997 Check if I changed it correctly.

>>157465129
Sounds good, if no one disagrees I'll change

>>157465519
Where could she go? I think S90 is a little too high but she didn't deserve more than 50 for sure
I'm counting the entire manga of course

you guys are changing the chart to fill the characters you want when you need to find characters to fill the remaining spots
the chart is getting distorted as fuck

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>>157465639
Anonymous is a pretty lame pick, even for a meme. What about this instead?

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D: 75 S: 35 for now, but can be moved around with the people near there
He literally created a split personality to get away from his suffering, where he lived underground his whole childhood, and a scripture carved in his back with a knife.
But he got off scot-free for all the shit he did.

>>157465722
This, we should fill out gaps first. However mistakes would be harder to rectify then would they not?

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>>157465639
S: 80 D: 90

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>>157465607
Izaya shouldn't be here at all or should go way down. Swap him with Hisoka who lost an arm, a leg and got a deformed noseless face after his failed fight, for example.

>>157465239

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>>157465639
Sara suffered a lot, but is being the pass around sex slave for a bunch of asshole soldiers and attempting a do-it-yourself abortion with a rock really on par with the other people on row 90?

>>157465936
Hisoka's place is good, but I think Isaya should be removed too.

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>>157465148
>>157465254
How about this?

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Nagi Homura
S: 20
D: 70

>>157465722
When all the holes are filled it will be harder to move the characters around.

>>157463545
>>157465239
>>157466004
see >>157463651

>>157466017
Where is Izaya?

>>157465936
There's no way Izaya suffered less than a bunch of SoL characters, he was beaten to within an inch of his life, confined to a wheelchair and chased away from the city full of humans he loved so much.

>>157466004
It was on a S X/D 100 spot before, then the madoka guys discussed and came to the conclusion that we wouldn't find a better S100/D95 character. Do you think she should be changed?

>>157466089
>Where is Izaya?
S: 70 D: 25

>>157466012
I agree, Marida's, Sakura's and Kohaku's fate was way worse

>>157466133
He's k where he is

>>157466089
95D 25S. I wouldn't remove him, he's prime asshole material to go into that corner and definitely suffered a fair bit compared to pretty much all those characters in the first 3 rows.

>>157466046
Nice. I forgot all about this cunt.

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>>157466024
For as much as Alibaba has supposidly suffered it really doesn't seem to have affected him much. Hell, he's been more upset with not getting laid than he has been about being dead for a hundred years.

>>157466099
>There's no way Izaya suffered less than a bunch of SoL characters
The same applies to Hisoka.

>>157465639
I disagree on moving Okabe, the people who are trying to move him down haven't even read S;G0, which is what his placement is based on from the previous threads.

>>157466156
That's Shizuo

>>157465435
>>157465607
>>157465936
>>157466099
When you guys decide Izaya's place I'll change Utena to his
>>157465778
Adding
>>157466012
Would 85-80 be more suitable for her?
>>157466046
Adding

Kumagawa should be higher in suffering, i think he should change places with Switch

>>157466024
As long as IW-ushio and Mewtwo go up, I don't bother with the others. Actually, I have no idea who the blond shota is so I'd go with what >>157466211 said

>>157466239
>Would 85-80 be more suitable for her?
That seems fair. Ideally she should stay in the same column.

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where could we put her

>>157466233
Kek, sry anon, he is S: 25 D: 95.

>>157466212
I haven't seen HxH in decades, so I don't know much did he really suffer. You can discuss that with the chart anon, I'm just saying Izaya is good where he is (you could maybe switch him with Gendo) and while I do agree Shizuo seems too high, he should be at least higher than Izaya even after lowering his position.

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>>157466099
I don't care about Izaya.

I simply think that Shizuo isn't suitable for 70 axis, but Utena should be somewhere in there instead.

Why is Grimmer at 95? He didnt suffer nearly as much as the others in his row. Same goes for Shizuo who is at 70

>>157466239
>>157465931
D: 95

>>157461101
How the fuck did Nadeko suffer? bullcrap

>>157466304
S 55 D 85? I remember her seeing that puppy and her bff killed in front of her, and then she was locked up. Did she suffer more than that?

>>157466442
OP is probably an autistic snakefag

>>157466300
In early life Alibaba was the bastard son of a king who was raised in the slums by his whore mother, until she died of illness, and was then brought to the palace until his asshole brother ascended to the throne and kicked him out of the country. But I think the was put so high up because recently he was killed but was brought back to life and forced to travel and empty landscape for 100 years as a clay doll trying to get back to his world. For other characters this might be traumatic but Alibaba just kind of brushes it off like it was nothing.

He's not a shota though, he's like 18.

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Proposed changes:
Switch Polnareff and Luluco
Switch Saeki and Nakamura

Reasoning:
1. Polnareff didn't deserve most of what happened to him, but he's a touch more deserving than Luluco. Specifically in Part 3 vs Hol Horse, he walked into a fight he knew he would lose (against the wishes of his comrades) due to his pride and desire to avenge his sister. His brash actions ended up causing the "death" of Abdul. Compared to Luluco who only brought suffering upon herself via her mindless crush on Nova, Polnareff is more deserving and should take her spot. Really, it's criminal that Luluco and Polnareff are on the same suffering tier. Poor guy gets royally fucked later on for nothing. He suffered more than Jonathan from his own series, who is placed higher.
2. Nakamura's alienated from her peers, she's a social reject with no friends. She definitely has some nihilism behind the scenes. Compare to Saeki, a willing participant in the sex occult of Bible Black, their spots should be switched.

>>157466442
>>157466507
Love is suffer, anons kun.

>>157466239
Switch Izaya with Gendo, put Shizuo on 25 in place of Sabagebu's protagonist who deseved D70

>>157466356
see >>157465936

>>157466300
But with the change I recommended mewtwo wouldn't go up, he would stay in the same place
>>157466211
In which line do you think he would fit with the other characters?
>>157466215
Well, we have a disagreement. Not changing until you guys decide
>>157466260
Why?
>>157466301
Is anyone against this? Who would we change her with though?

>>157466402
>Why is Grimmer at 95? He didnt suffer nearly as much as the others in his row

How do you dare?

>>157466382
Once we find a place for Shizuo we can move Utena
>>157466408
Adding
>>157466442
Where do you think she should go?
>>157466532
Is anyone against this?

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S: 55
D: 85

>>157466382
We're agreeing then. I think Shizuo is too high too, I'd probably him around the 40S but that whole place is taken and I don't want to move characters I don't know too much about.

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>>157466553
>But with the change I recommended mewtwo wouldn't go up, he would stay in the same place
Yeah, I'm retarded. The change I suggested would also leave him at the same spot.

>>157466641
>D: 85
What

>>157466617
>>157466442
How about swap snake with ajin bad guy, who suffered a lot due to his ajin body.

>>157466553
Switch only had a bad past and he had a lot of fun friend that helped to compensate it, Kumagawa was a being made to suffer, incapable of winning, that was not even able to die if he wanted

>>157466553
>Who would we change her with though?

Subaru.

Why this little shit is so high though?

>>157466641
Ghost Banri did nothing wrong

>>157466553
>Is anyone against this? Who would we change her with though?
Why not just move viral and that redhead chick up a notch each?

>In which line do you think he would fit with the other characters?
I'd swap him with the raeped loli directly below him, since she at least has serious psychological damage.

I think this touches on the whole discrepancy between the actual experiences of a character and the precieved amount of suffering they went through. Objectively you could say that Alibaba's experience is worse then being raped on time by a stranger as a child, but because of the way the characters are written the loli seems to be more traumatized by her rape than Alibaba was by his death.

>>157466617
>>157466678

>>157466534

>>157465639
I have not personally seen GTO and I'm wondering in what way did Onizuka suffer more than Edward.

>>157466785
>Why is this little shit so high
Dying repeatedly is pure suffering. Deserved or not doesn't change the fact the fucker experienced unimaginable levels of pain. This is ignoring any psychological suffering from resetting, having the sexy girls forget time you spent together, etc.

>>157466919
The answer is in the manga.

>>157466785
Sara didn't deserve 45. She did literally nothing, she just looked kind of like another girl.

>>157466785
I don't think Sara deserved that high and subaru suffered that much
Is anyone against this?

>>157466785
>Why this little shit is so high though?
Stab yourself repeatedly, come back, and do it again. Repeat and you'll slowly understand.

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>>157466532
Just some thoughts:

>Kikyo deserved score (65) is too high
What did she do to deserve the brutal death and painful reincarnation she got?
(A) She didn't trust Inuyasha enough and (B) she was too arrogant to think her alone would be able to protect the secret jewel. But that's it.
This isn't equal to Shoe, Lelouch, Tomoko who actively shaped their future

>Montecristo and CC are less deserving than TouMAN and Homu
They were fucked to begin with. Homura chose her fate out of love for Madoka, but she still made the choice herself. Touma (not including novel spoilers) deserves a bunch of the shit he faces in the present because he literally chases after them.

>Asuka should swap with Nagato
Nagato enlisted to deal with Haruhi. Asuka was drafted to deal with space aliens.
Asuka had a fucked up childhood because her mother had a meltdown, while Yuki -yea, endless eight and shit- but she lives a happy existence with her friends.

>>157466742
I'm ok with that. Satou did suffer way more. And Nadeko didn't suffer that much.

>>157466532
I think Luluco shouldn't be that high. All that happened to her was hearbreak, and that only lasted an episode.

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>>157465639
I highly disagree with Garou being at D:80, he didn't even kill a single human let alone heroes, meanwhile the so-called heroes are ready to take human life(see metal bat). He should be at D:50 at the very least. That being said, I don't really know which character you can switch their places with.

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>>157465639
I recommend Mendonza from Garo for S100 D90 or 95.

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>>157467238
I think I replied to the wrong chart
>>157465639

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What about Noguchi from Team Medical Dragon for
S: 35
D: 80
He will basically do anything to keep his position as a professor ranging releasing terminally ill patients so they don't die under his care to utilizing power harassment to get what he wants. He doesn't care about the patients under his care but only wants to achieve a higher position.
But he ends up developing an aoritc aneurysm and being betrayed by everyone in the faculty staff and his most loyal followers.

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Did I forget any change above this post? >>157466617

>>157466641
>D85
What did this poor chap do

>>157466742
>>157467244
Anyone against this?

>>157466826
>Why not just move viral and that redhead chick up a notch each?
Anyone against?

>>157467238
...you guys know what I'll say.
Anyone against?

Guys don't scream, we have a high S/Low D spot available right now

>>157467291
S100 D95, Mendoza is more deserving than Diavolo.

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Put pic related beside Izumi

>>157467376
>What did this poor chap do
TADA BANRI
A
D
A

B
A
N
R
I

He's the Umaru of romcoms

>>157467290
If we move him 2 spots to the left he will be in the column as Suiryu, wouldn't that be a little weird?
>>157467291
What happened to this poor nun for the S100?

Bert should be moved up to 35. He gets sent to Jewville and on the way there their friend gets eaten by a titan. Then his waifu basically kills herself by imprisoning herself in a indestructible crystal, then later on he gets eaten alive. Being involved with killing Marco also seemed to have fucked him up a little bit.
Nishikata is above him and he only gets lightly teased by a cute girl.

>>157467376
I get the joke, but is it really fair that yuno gets to take two low S low D spots to herself? Their the most easily filled, and there are no K-on characters on the chart.

>>157467510
The bottom right corner is too full for him, sorry
>>157467519
Oh.
>>157467364
Adding

>>157467520
As a consequence of his immortality, unable to die as he is reduced to a charred skeleton, Mendoza is forced to remain in the Makai in a state of pure agony from being endlessly burned alive.
Ripped straight from the wiki

>>157467520
>If we move him 2 spots to the left he will be in the column as Suiryu, wouldn't that be a little weird?
It wouldn't really matter if it gets more accurate.

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>>157467520
ChartAnon, don't ignore me, at least explain why do you disagree about >>157466762.

>>157467573
>>157467510
Then put him left of Iyami in S40, D95. Assuming this is 2003 Tucker we are talking about.

>>157467557

>>157336299
>>157337830
>>157338544
>>157339477
>>157339496

Everytime we tried to add a K-On character the anons got mad, we stopped trying and added Yuno

>>157467691
The thread is too fast, your request was done already. It will be on the new chart

>>157467585
That's pretty bad.

>>157467376
Is S50 D20 a fucking Harada character? That looks like her art style.

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>>157467376
Here are my suggestions.

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>>157467376
It's a real shame that Ginko is not on the list, but all of the low spots are taken. Maybe give him S:5, D: 10 or 15? D: 10 would be more accurate since the only thing he did wrong was accidentally fucking up mountain lords egg when he was a kid and still unsure about his place.

>>157467803
>Switching Misaka
The Indexfag will eat your liver

>>157467853
We may still remove some of the literally whos from the list and give their spots to more high profile characters. I'm not really sure why that chick from the beginning of Spicy Wolf makes the cut.

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>>157465639
I think that Neptune (D:20, S:5) should be moved up two slots to S:15 because unlike most CGDCT characters, she has a nation to run and actually has to save the world sometimes, which is on probably the same scale as Chaika and Nyaa-tan. Also, her suffering is probably on the same scale as Nyaa-tan because both of them have to fight to for friends they thought were gone (Nyaa-tan had Mo-tan and Neptune had P-ko in the anime). At least move her to S:10 because Marii's suffering isn't quite at Satania or Ika levels.

Are we called the first column/row 0 or 5?

>>157467520
>>What happened to this poor nun for the S100?
He is a immortal that was throw in his setting equivalent of hell, and is literally burning 24/7 unable to do anything to free himself or stop the pain. It's like Diavolo and Agni put together as far as suffering goes, and even more evil.

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Yuuko at 20-65 (or 35-75), poor Marimo-chan did not deserved the bullying, also she was an asshole to everyone she worked with

>>157467238
>>157467376
>Touma (not including novel spoilers)
I'm fairly sure we're counting the novel stuff. Since I can see several characters that definitely wouldn't be on here without their source material.
He's definitely in the correct spot if we are.

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Everyone above this post >>157467585 check if I did the changes right

>>157467649
How about putting him S55/D70 and everyone there one to the right?

>>157467803
Is anyone against this?

>>157467853
Sorry but those spots are filled

>>157467996
I never though the SoL corner would fight for spots uh.
Is anyone against this?

I don't think we can find 2 more characters for the S100, they are so rare

>>157467796
WHAT? someone finally recognized that thing?
We spent 3 threads trying to find who it was, does it really deserve that spot or is just a meme?

>>157461101
Kitahara aya was a victim, she didn't deserve it

>>157468316
Fuck, ignore S40/D95, it should be Shou Tucker

>>157461101
Is Guts that high because of the boat?

>>157468353
I'm not sure that I'm right, but if it is Harada then it's not exactly a meme. Her stuff is full of suffering. But it's all BL porn too. I'd say you're safe removing it, since nobody outside of the homothreads has a chance to recognize it. I can't tell you which character from which doujin it is myself.

>>157468316
>How about putting him S55/D70 and everyone there one to the right?
Seems good

>>157461101
Who's the saint in the top left?

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>>157461101
Itsuki did nothing wrong faggot

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Haman Karn
S: 55
D: 80
Honestly, both numbers are probably 5-10 points too high, but everything else is taken.

We need some assholes that suffered a lot for the top right corner

>>157468316
Sara still hasn't moved. Maybe you didn't want to move the other characters up to compensate. I'm not really sure who the redhead girl is below, so I can't judge her suffereing, but maybe you could just swap her with Sara. Viral had it rough, but he was never raped or suffered a mental breakdown so I'm not sure he's fit to be above Sara anyways.

>>157468316
Talking about the S100, why is Kyubey so far on the deserve? I am pretty sure that helping the universe fight against entropy is a noble reason for everything that he do.

>>157468124
What I mean by not including ln spoilers is that the spoilers wouldn't change his deserving score.
It disclosed fucked up stuff about his existence and power but that does not make him less deserving.
Unless you want to argue that he needs to be on the left of Mikoto.

>Moguro only at D50

The man permanently ruins the lives of others for a living. You can argue that a lot of the people he destroys deserve it but in the latest episode, he harassed a man until he agreed to his scheme and in other episodes, he knowingly tears apart happy families.

>>157468641
but choosing teen girls to do that?

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>>157466356
Hisoka was bullied, played like a fiddle and teared to shreds in the main fight of his whole life, lost, died and become a crippled shell of himself. Not only he was disfigured and lost some limbs, his entire persona and believes are now broken. That's something.

Suiryu has experienced something similar and he's on 50.

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>>157468654
S55
D85

>>157468704
but Suiryu spirit was completely broken from that
Hisoka came back to life and wanted to fight already

>>157467996
Someday I want to make my wife Neptunes despair and suffering 0.

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>>157468353
I'm the original anon that posted him. The character is an unnamed college student from Yajirushi by Harada. He's an extremely shy guy with a speech impediment that gets manipulated and eventually raped by the only classmate that acknowledges him. I thought his story was the most suffering out of Harada's manga so that's why I wanted him to be on the chart.

>>157468713
ignore the quote

>>157468316
You didn't move >>157467238
except for the changes involving Touma because as usual, there's someone against.

>>157468749
Stay away from her faggot. She's my wife.

>>157468800
Stay away from her, she's my daughter

>>157468735
Yes, but at least Hisoka shouldn't be on level zero

>>157468683
It was the best way to gather energy, and they were given a choice. He absolutely don't deserve to be on the tier as characters like father, the thing that killed more than 5 millions human for personal gains and would have killed a lot more if he hadn't been stopped.

>>157468810
But I'm married to your daughter.

>>157468316
Can you change the outer gradient to other color to make it easier to differentiate with the /co/ one?

>>157468854
Can I see the /co/ one?

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>>157468316
Is Kira on the list? If not

S: 70
D: 85

Actually I was going to recommend S:55 but >>157468713 this anon did it first

>>157468316
Comparing Misaka to the others she should replace the guy above in S 80.

>>157468882
It's on this thread. You'll miss it if you just scrolling casually.
>>157463890

>>157468946
>Wants Mikasa at 80
>>157467803
>Wants Mikasa at 65

FIGHT

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The corner squares are too extreme, we shouldn't include characters there.
Suggesting,
moot (0/0)
Dan (S100/D0)
Daiz (S0/D100)
/a/non (S100/D100)

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If you still need someone for 85,90 or 95,90 Zera would work perfectly.

>>157469018
I second this

>>157468980
Ow, thank you, I actually missed it, ours is really copy/pasted.

>>157468901
>S70

This fucker didn't suffer this much

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Can Killua still fit on the list? His entire childhood was filled with torture and brutal training so that he could inherit a family business that he wanted no part in. However, 90s seems a little high, and he doesn't deserve it all that much. If anyone lower moves up I'd like him to be considered.

>>157469090
>>157469018
3D people should not be on the chart

>>157468316
Osamu is way too fucking high. He should S50 tops. The worst thing that has happened to him so far was been partially blamed for the loses in a invasion because he had showed the enemy some function of his equipment when he saved his entire fucking school from death, and that hardly meant much for him because he instantly went on tv and said that they were gonna save everyone that was kidnapped. The notion that he suffered as much as people like Kaneki or Shiki is absolutely retarded.

>>157469018
Who's moot? Anyways, we don't need him there when we got 4chan girl taking up the spot already. I think Umaru should stay as D:100, S:0 though. Switching top right to /a/non is good idea though..

>>157469018
No

But moot should be 100/100.

>>157469018
I think the corners are fine as is.

>>157469151
>90s

What the fuck.

He should be here but he shouldn't be so high.

I think the the best option is to replace Gon with him.

>>157469018
Umaru, Anon and Yotsuba are perfect choices already though. The ultimate undeserved suffering seemingly coming from a hentai is pretty amusing too.

>>157469107
I agree, something around 50 would fit perfectly. But Pucci is on S: 70 too so it shouldn't be that much of a problem, since they suffered around the same(Pucci could be a little bit higher).

>>157468316
Just want to point out that the S:40 D:65 square looks a bit dodgy; its as if something was layered over something else.

>>157469018
Yeah, no thanks.

>>157469286
That's what I'm saying, but the 90s are the only low deserves open. I'd be fine with repalacing Gon, since Gon didn't really suffer, he just had a tantrum when he realized the world doesn't work the way he thinks it should.

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>>157469182

>>157469341
Who the fuck is that anyway?

>>157469341
What exactly happened to Yuuko? is she the girl in the get well soon image?

>>157469341
ef doesn't even have many H-scenes, and it has a non-hentai anime, even though Shaft took more than a few liberties with it.

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>>157467803
I'm still doing these changes
>>157468551
>>157468713
Adding
>>157468854
How about now
>>157468901
We have 6 Jojo characters already, I don't think we should put more, sorry.

I'm not ignoring the recent posts, I'm just slow and behind the thread by 20-30 posts

>>157468316
>Kiyoshi suffered as much as "dragged corpse" Kohaku
Put him -2/0 or -2/1.

>>157468316
>Iyami took 2 spaces in 40/90 and 40/95
Is this a mistake?

>>157461101
Wait, what did Hatou from Qualia the Purple do to deserve her suffering?
I mean, I guess she did murder a ton of people in attempts to change the timeline, but that was basically out of desperation from what I remember, and technically none of it happened.

>>157469499
yes I fixed it on my latest chart

>>157469018
>too extreme

That's the point of extremes, if you can identify a character who suffered more than any other that makes it 100x easier to decide the S values of other characters by measuring them against the extreme.

>>157469469
>How about now
Perfect

>>157467049
Not I, said the fly.

>>157469469
FUCK YOU I WANT IT GREEN
WHO AGREE WITH ME?

>>157469469
Please read
>>157469165

>>157469469
How do you feel about this
>>157469402
>>157469286
I really do think Killua deserves that spot more than Gon does. Nothing even happened to Gon until he made the butfuck stupid decision to ruin his own life for revenge, and then that cleared up with basically no conscequences anyways.

>>157469601
Blue is better, sorry.

>>157469601
I like the blue.

>>157469601
>Not black
Pleb.

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>>157467557
The worst thing that happens to the K-Ons is Mio gets scared easily and they eventually have to go their separate ways.

Pic related suffers more. (I kinda think we should create a special edition for SOL.)

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>>157469538
Give Kyouko a better image, like this one.

>>157461101
>Akane only at 70

>>157469479
Sorry I mean 0/-2 or 1/-2.

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Where on the suffering scale should this asshole be?

but oberstein did nothing wrong

>>157469722
I second this image.

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I think Rance should be in the deserved it corner, don't know where.

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>>157461101
>OH MY RUBBER NEN deserves 85
>suffering 5

Are you serious? The dude not only got tricked, but fucking killed by strangulation(it's not pleasant death at all) and mangled by explosions. He suffered much more than 5.

>>157469469
Kiyoshi (90S 75D) needs to be moved down at least to 80S. Him being on the same row as Griffith and Okabe is ridiculous

>>157469654
>>157469693

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lNX4mf3Nfs

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>>157469837
That's what I'm trying to say too

>>157467803
>>157469469
I'm against lowering Misaka down, she should be at 80 compared to the others around her.

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Akio Ohtori for 55 S, 85 D

>>157461101
There's so much wrong with this list it's not even funny.

When this is done we should compare the /co/ graph and see which anime character=which Western character.

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>>157469469
Diavolo and Kars both being at D: 90 is ridiculous. Kars wanted to fuck up the whole world meanwhile Diavolo was just a gang boss. He should be at D: 70

>>157469997
Point them out in order to improve it then.

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>Geist is on the chart
You make me proud, /a/.

>>157469798
How about S20 D100? i don't remember the character there, Rance is more relevant

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>>157469469
D80
S90

>>157470054
>>157469469
>90
Sorry, I meant 85. I forgot to add but Kars also killed his own kind. So with suggesting moving Diavolo to D: 70 I also suggest making Kars D: 90

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>>157468490
>>157468551
>>157468573
>>157468713
All done, the new characters were put on an available block

>>157468641
Where would you put him?

>>157468752
Oh, right.

>>157467803
Finally done, except the Mikasa one since it had a disagreement

>>157469041
What did he do for S85/90?

>>157469351
Oh that one is because I didn't have a better pic for that character, I only found a bad one. If you give me a better one I'll change!

>>157469151
>>157469286
>>157469641
Anyone against swapping Gon with Killua?

>>157469479
Anyone against this?

>>157469528
Well... being a murderer? Where would you put her?

>>157469722
Fixed

Guys please don't ask to remove characters, if we start removing and putting them this thing will never end

>>157469761
Rance doesn't deserve 100. He's a huge asshole, but he's still saving the world at every chance by his own will. Probably more on the 80s. That whole section of the chart is already occupied though, I'd rather think of characters for the empy slots than to switch what we already have.

>>157469469
>>157467803
It's not like I'm complaining but why do you think it was necessary to swap Anemone and Kurapika? I'm curious to know the reason because I like them both and think that they're nearly equal tragic

Every slot with 65 S or less is filled.
I'm surprised you guys still haven't found a good one fro S95/D30

Osamu is high both on D and S scale.
His S should be max 40 or 50 and D should be very less.
Yuuko S should be more than 60 in my opinion and why is her D at 35. It should be way, way less than that like 0-15.
Akane D:80
Her D should be nowhere that level. She was not a murderer or something and didn't force anyone to do something he or she didn't want to do. She used others but was used herself also for sexual gratification.
Her D should be 50-55 and S should be 10-15 in my opinion.

>>157468641
He did willingly fuck with all those girls, so it depends on how you see them being duped into the shit they did.

>>157470337
>Where would you put him?
Personally? It's kind hard to say given that we don't know how many people the energy that he was making from the megucas helped out, but I would put him around the middle of the deserve chart, on Squealer spot and move the other to the right.

>>157470337
>>157469479 here, I fucked up with the order and actually want to propose >>157469734