I'm interested in writing manga. How does one write out scripts for manga pages?
I have the plot, dialogue, settings and everything in my head, I just can't draw.
Then write a book.
Are you Japanese?
>i just can't draw
I think you should start here.
>>157457878
Books don't interest me.
>>157457951
No.
>>157458069
Wouldn't it be a better use of my time to look for an artist who wants a job than to spend all my free time learning to to draw for a few years?
>>157457074
Read Bakuman.
>>157458121
>no
Then fuck off.
Larping makes me shiver.
At best, you are going to make comics, not manga.
>>>/co/
>>157458260
Oh yeah, because black and white comics in an anime style go really swimmingly well over here. Fuck off you fake nationalist scumbag.
>>157458121
No.Then,i won't be your manga,because you're not one who's drawing it. I think you're losing the point of writing manga here. You should make plot,write scripts and draw all by yourself. That's what makes manga. Also,okay,lets imagine that you actually found artist who wants to draw your manga for you.But wouldn't it be weird,if after few years,after manga gets popular,suddenly drawing style changes,because you finally learned drawing,and fired other dude,to draw be yourself?
>>157458320
No you fuck off you larping autist.
I bet you also own a "how to draw manga" bookP.S. You will never be Japanese
>>157458320
No one in Japan is going to want to read a manga from a gaijin, and you likely won't be able to get any good artist interested in you either, or any publication that would pick you up. Your only option would be to learn how to draw yourself, and then publish independently under a pseudonym.
Your real best option would be to make a black and white comic for US consumption and use an odd artstyle that you like. If you really must make something with a black and white "anime" artstyle, it's going to be next to impossible to sell it.
>>157457074
I want to start writing a book. I just don't know how to write
>>157458654
So you are a braindead retard who needs pretty little pictures, with a sort of midlife crisis as a cherry on top.
Go commission another retard on Deviantart and fuck off.
>>157458750
>So you are a braindead retard who needs pretty little pictures
What are you doing on /a/?
>>157459025
Enjoying pictures and NEEDING them isn't the same.
That faggot doesn't have an imagination.
>What are you doing on /a/?
Killing time, waiting for a good thread.Stop bumping this shitheap
>>157458654
>Books, at least in America, and ESPECIALLY in fiction, are a dying breed.
the fuck are you even talking about
>>157459094
Not him but he just prefers visual meda, what's the problem?
>>157458654
This entire post is evidence that you're too retarded to be reasoned with.
>>157458121
>Books don't interest me
>>157459192
>I don't have an argument but I'll just call him retarded: the post
You obviously don't know anything about american comics, not that you care. But it's okay to be uninformed and stupid.
>>157459158
That he is a desperate escapist faggot who doesn't want to produce art or something profitable, he wants his little fucking world be made for him.
>>157459233
>writing isn't art
>>157459226
>modern books are interesting
LOL
>I only consume mainstream shit
>So all modern books are shit
>But please somebod draw my happy dreamland pretty please, I'm an autist in need of escapism but not autistic enough to learn how to draw
Commission it you gigantic faggot.
>>157459345
>I'm an autist in need of escapism but not autistic enough to learn how to draw
Maybe I'll buy a time machine so I can go back in time to when I had the free time to learn how to draw. Not everyone is as fortunate enough to be born with a silver spoon rammed up their fucking ass so that they can spend 9-5 doodling in their sketchbooks.
>>157459229
What's the issue with American comics? Tons of people have success in there. Off the top of my head there's Orc Stain, Prophet, and Kaijumax. There's tons more if I think longer. And even if you can't get your comic published in the US, there's innumerable great webcomics. You're just a dipshit who has deluded himself into thinking manga is the only way.
>>157457074
>I just can't draw.
That didn't stop Oda from starting his series, and look where he is now.
Just take a dump on a page, smear it around, and write something like "Nakama" in the remains. You'll get a rabid audience in no time who'll defend your shitty art style as "unique" while throwing money at you.
>>157459233
I'd take someone who wants to see their fantasy world become real over a pompous faggot who only writes because he wants to make "art" or money.
>>157459426
What's your excuse, then? Could you really not take a few minutes out of your busy childhood to doodle in your notebook?
>>157459501
He wants to do it, but really, he doesn't want to do it. If he really wanted it, he would be doing it now.
A dumb manchild who is tired of work and wants his own little dreamland but it's too hard to make it so please make it for me.
>>157457074
>I just can't draw.
That's like saying you want to become a pearl diver when you can't swim.
>>157459439
There really aren't many great, or even good comics out today. As for webcomics, they're most if not all trash. I don't know where you're getting these results from.
>>157459510
Because I didn't want to draw when I was a kid. Does that mean I should spend the rest of my life being resigned to my fate of not being an artist?
I was actually going to consider doing LOOMIS but now I want to stick around in this thread and debate with your dumb ass.
>>157459567
A manchild assumes he can do anything with the right amount of practice. Adulthood is realizing your limits and realizing what you can and cannot do. Not like you know anything about that.
>>157458654
The light novel market in Japan is expanding and squeezing out the visual novel and manga market. Who says book is dead?
Second, ideas are worthless. Everyone has ideas of books. It takes real execution to turn fully turn an idea into something people are willing to fork over cash. Just because you 'have an idea of a story' is meaningless. You have to put in real effort, not just 'oh writing is so hard.'
Third, if you can't draw, then at least you can draw panels of how the story should go? Did you even read One Punch Man's original manga? The author obviously doesn't know how to draw well. Can you put in the same amount of effort? Is your story so interesting that people will line up to read it, even if you such at drawing?
In conclusion, most people who think they are great story-teller who has been unfairly treated by life and society, are just real life version of Zaimokuza (from Yahari). If you are not familiar with that character, then you should (heh) read the Yahari light novel. Then you'd realize how your whining appears to others.
BTW at least Zaimokuza put in an effort to actually write _something_.
You know what, forget what I said. Just pay some weebs on deviantart big money and has him/her draw whatever you want him/her to draw.
1. Learn to draw. You have to learn to draw. Do it, or it won't work, retard.
2. Make it a webcomic. Or learn japanese and somehow submit it to a magazine completely anonymously.
>>157459281
>there are only modern books
Wow anon why are you such a retard?
>>157459426
Stop being a bitch. Spend 9-5 earning money and spend 6-2 training.
If you can't do that, you don't want it badly enough.
First of all don't call whatever it is you make manga because you're not Japanese. Just call it a comic.
>>157459761
Please point me to a """""comic"""" about a japanese high school.
>manga is a comic of japanese origin
>Hurr I'm a dumb yankee and I drew big eyes and a high school
>I AM MANGAKA NOW
This is how you sound. Oh wait, you can't draw and you are too retarded to even commission it!
Stay mad faggot, your fantasy dreamland will stay dead because you are a powerless, talentless manbaby.
>>157457074
Also, if you were too weak-willed to learn how to draw - it's a fairly safe bet that your writing is shit too.
>>157459790
If it's made in America it's a comic.
Manga is a decriptor added to comic to describe a japanese comic.
Anime is a descriptor added to cartoon to describe a japanese cartoon.
"""""please""""" stop breathing
>this whole thread
Fuck off, retard.
>>157459966
>things that I never said
Go write your shitty "story" I bet the graphics people will kill each other over it.
>>157459790
"Manga" is not a style and neither is "anime."
If you are a foreigner you are creating comics because that's the English word for what you're doing. Manga is what the Japanese call comics and in the west we only keep the word to distinguish comics made in Japan from western ones. There are also korean and chinese comics that have their own names used by the west as well.
THIS WHOLE THREAD AND NOBODY HAS AN ARGUMENT
>>157459637
>There really aren't many great, or even good comics out today.
That's not the point, you fucking retard. Whether they're good or bad is irrelevant. What matters is that they actually got published. If they were able to get published, then you can too.
>>157460071
manga is not a style, you retarded teenager
i bet you call yourself an otaku in public and think last airbender is an anime
see >>157460068 >>157459973
>>157460154
>>157460128
no arguments
>>157458463
This is factually not true and there have been a handful of extremely popular manga in Japan that were written by Americans. Educate yourself, EOP.
>>157459790
>Not Japanese
>Wants to write about a Japanese high school
You're just going to end up looking like a tool, since you've never been in Japanese high school.
>>157460180
Yes argument. I just demonstrated to you that you CAN get your shit published in America, (providing it's even semi-decent) but it seems like you just want to fail and won't let anyone give you advice.
>>157460195
Which series? List one.
Before you say RWBY, It's manga wasn't popular in Japan.
>>157459790
Why don't you write about an American high school, you retarded weeb? They're not too different, and you might even have 6 years of experience with one!
>>157460290
>it seems like you just want to fail
You know what it is I DON'T want to do? I don't want to spend the next several years of my life becoming a mediocre artist who experiences yet another failure in his life when nobody likes his mediocre art because a couple of autists on an anonymous anime image board full of freaks and social rejects egged him on to "follow ur dreams" because FOR SOME REASON they think they're qualified to dispense successful fucking advice.
>>157460415
Nobody likes your shit anyway.
By the looks of it, your writing is mediocre too.
Post an excerpt and let us see what you are capable of.But I think you were never destined for successWhiny fag
>>157460500
you write like a spazz
>>157460415
> becoming a mediocre artist who experiences yet another failure in his life when nobody likes his mediocre art
That didn't stop One Punch Man's author from becoming successful. Why can't you do the same?
People are annoyed because you sound like you want to do the minimal amount of work. Even the retarded weebs on fanfiction.net put in effort by writing something. Have you?
>>157460525
>People are annoyed because you sound like you want to do the minimal amount of work
that is what life is about
>the great artists, businessmen, explorers,scientist, inventors and politicians did everything with minimal effort
Dumb shit
>>157460195
A handful. Meaning not the majority, and the ones that did drew it themselves. They weren't just the ideas guy.
>>157460606
>great artists, businessmen, explorers,scientist, inventors and politicians exist today
>>157458463
>Not learning japanese and posting under a pseudonym
Everything's working great for me Anon. The japs can't tell the difference :^)
I literally cannot figure out if this OP is supposed to be satire or not.
>>157458383
That worked pretty good for One
Why did the janny delete ONE of my posts? Is it because I posted an image that wasn't an anime girl?
>>157460415
What the fuck do you want us to tell you? If what you've got is good, it will probably succeed. But by the sound of it, your fanfic-tier tier wannabe anime is pretty shit, so even if you do convince some artist on tumblr or deviantart to draw your shitty little story, it will be completely ridiculed.
I'm going to make a million dollars and then make some artist with low self-esteem draw my own idea, and I'm going to come back and link to this thread
>>157460968
>I'm going to make a million dollars
>>157460968
>I'm going to make a million dollars before I pay an artist
Good luck with that they don't like not being paid, and until you pay the work I'm pretty sure is theirs
>>157460999
LOW ENERGY
you'd be surprised how strong the drive to make a couple of cunts online mad as fuck is
>>157460968
>making a million dollars is easier than learning how to draw
>>157458383
There are plenty of manga written and drawn by different people.
op makes post saying he can't draw but wants to make """manga"""
thread tells him to learn to draw or at least start making stuff
op unloads a bucket of salt because a thread had the audacity to tell him to stop being a faggot
can we just delete the thread, it doesn't even belong here
>>157461175
I reported. Didn't you?
>>157461175
>>157461205
I'm staying at my folks house and using their IP, so I will see you guys tomorrow :)
Mods. Please permaban OP. He's perspicuously underage.
>>157461158
Do you mean book adaptations? That's how those tend to go
>>157461259
see you tomorrow!
There are posts and images being deleted and yet this thread is still up
>>157461548
stay mad
>>157461717
why I would be mad for something so irrelevant
in other hand I should pitty the OP
he's looking for an advice on something almost unreachable
and even though they are people trying to give him a serious advice OP only repliess with binaries answers
>been writing my story that's set in feudal Japan for nearly 3 years now
>almost done with final draft
>going to start drawing it in a few months
Going to go graphic novel if trying to be a mangaka isn't going to work out.
>>157457074
Learn it. are you retarded? Pick up a book about it or watch some youtube videos and start sucking at it until you're OK at it, and if you really want to do it then keep doing it 'till you're as good as you hope to be.
>>157462151
>Going to go graphic novel if trying to be a mangaka isn't going to work out.
they're the same thing
why is everyone dumb
>obvious bait thread has been up for over three hours
Hey, remember when the mods actually did their job?
OP is absolutely right though. I would like to know how writers write manga since they don't draw it.
Plenty of non artists write manga, like Nisioisin. Do they compose the panels? Or write it like a movie script?
I'm an artist and I would like to know. You just can't jump into drawing if you don't have a script.
>>157464939
Another way is making a very poor doodle but with lots of notes and indications.
Sadly manuscripts never get posted online so we will never know.
>>157465025
Also a lot of writers take photos of toys and dolls and send that to the artist. Plenty of storyboards in hollywood are made with photos and notes nowadays.
>>157464939
> I would like to know how writers write manga since they don't draw it
what the fuck does that mean? those are separate things
>Plenty of non artists write manga
how enlightening
>You just can't jump into drawing if you don't have a script.
just because you can't draw doesn't mean you don't have an artistic vision
>>157464636
There's a difference in the same way mangaka denotes a manga (Japanese) author and otherwise means not Japanese.
>>157458121
Every motherfucker has settings and everything like yours in their head, even those artists you're looking for
Either learn to draw or write a book, because what separates a good writer from a bad one is one that actually expressed their story
>>157465112
what did he meant by this
Since manga is such a visual dependent medium, I find the process of writing it very arcane.
A lot of the movie Fury Road was written from the storyboard before any script.
I think that most likely writers should have enough skill to doodle like this, and then liter it with notes for the artist.
>>157465282
>what the fuck does that mean? those are separate things
Someone has to choose the composition, the camera, the light. Usually the director does this in a movie. In comics and manga, the writer has to choose that. How exactly does he explains those choices to the artist if the writer can't draw?
>just because you can't draw doesn't mean you don't have an artistic vision
I actually can draw. I'm an illustrator. But the process of working with a writer is very rough. There are too many nuances to translating a script to panels, so the writer has to step into the boundary of art. But not too much or they'll mess with the art. It's a hard balance.
I'm very interested in knowing how japan does it. In the west, we just follow a movie-like script and leave the rest to the artist. Which is why comics are very detailed but with horrible composition.
>>157457074
I'm surprised such a shitty bait post is even getting serious replies.
>>157457074
Write an LN op it's easier.
Since writers are like the directors of comics and manga, they have to familiarize themselves with all the possible camera shots to explain things to the artist.
In a movie everything is divided in direction, editing, composition, lighting, set dressing, acting, scripting, camera work, etc.
In manga, you have to do everything at the same time. I really want to know how japanese writers do it.
If you're both the writer and the artist then it's pretty easy.
>>157458463
>No one in Japan is going to want to read a manga from a gaijin
Just use a pen name
Nobody will notice
>>157465646
Many mangaka learn by being an assistant of other mangaka
>>157460558
Then that explains the massive amounts of mediocrity and sloth that dominate our world. If you don't want to put in real, hard effort into anything, even one thing that you do, then you are the trash of society, worthless garbage.
>>157460314
>They're not too different
Uhh they're extremely different
>shitty troll thread on its way to 500 replies
God is dead.
>>157457074
Why not be a Light Novel Author then? You can still have picture but the writing takes center stage.
>>157465859
>Many mangaka learn by being an assistant of other mangaka
But what about not mangakas like Urobuchi? 2 mangas to his name.
>>157466011
I already know how to draw. I make my living with it. But knowing all your perspective and anatomy doesn't magically creates plots and characters. Writing compelling stories is a hard fucking job.
I really want to work with a writer to create a comic, but the process is very mysterious.
There is a lot lost in translation with a script to image transfer. How does japan does it?
>>157466155
Urobuchi never drew a manga, he just writes
>>157465646
>In manga, you have to do everything at the same time
Which is way easier than in a medium where adjusting each of the things takes much longer and needs 100x the resources. Funny enough books can be the most easy and the most hard to make.
>>157457074
>Since manga is such a visual dependent medium, I find the process of writing it very arcane.A lot of the movie Fury Road was written from the storyboard before any script.I think that most likely writers should have enough skill to doodle like this, and then liter it with notes for the artist.
It depends on the story. Fury Road is all spectacle with no story. For shounen shit and such, you'd be right. For SoL, drama and such, visuals aren't the highest priority.
>>157466229
>Urobuchi never drew a manga, he just writes
That's exactly what I meant. He wrote 2 mangas. Did he just made a movie-like script and let the artists do as they pleased?
He could write something like "and he fell from the stairs". There are a thousand ways to represent that visually. Is it all up to the artists to decide that?
From what I see, japanese writers are more involved than that. But there is no really info in this process, like those manben documentaries.
>>157457074
>this thread
Silly me. I forgot it was summer.
>>157466109
If some retarded op can inspire actual discussion then I say that's a sign of this boards character, not a lack of it.
>>157466383
He's a writer not a director
>>157466383
You can always communicate with the artist, you know. If you're working with the same one over time, the amount of time wasted on communication becomes lower.
>>157466405
>If some retarded op can inspire actual discussion then I say that's a sign of this boards character, not a lack of it.
This. We have like 3 threads right now discussing loli vaginas but somehow discussing the making of manga is a sin.
>>157457074
>mfw I actually have talent
>I'm doing my own manga
Try /ic/ nigger
>>157464706
>>157466109
4chan's golden age ended a long time ago.
Another technique, numbering the panels and then writing the description on another page.
>>157466155
You should pair up with OP, then.
>>157466545
show me one of your characters
>>157458320
>nationalist scumbag
Take your pussyhat and fuck off to tumblr.
/a/ isn't the place for "racial transitioning" weeaboos to sperg about their shitty stories.
>>157464706
except its not bait and I meant what I wrote
bumping my thread btw
>>157469042
Then better start reading as many books as you can.
>>157469215
why would I put myself through inferior media that
a shrinking percentage of the populace enjoys? gross
>>157469281
Can't write a story worth telling without understanding how storytelling works, and where best to learn it from, than a medium that shaped it for centuries? Besides, you'll get a nice overview about all the stories already told and will have an easier time telling whether what you want to say was already said 1000 times, so might need to be redone.
>>157469042
Then you sir, are a fucking moron.
You'll probably never realize how stupid you sound, considering everyone here disagrees with you and you still insist you're right.
>>157471426
>argument ad populum
not an argument my man!
>>157457074
Don't let this retards get to you op, you don't need to read retarded western books to make a manga. Books are inferior in anyway, but what you need to do is learn how to draw. If you're too lazy just make something similar to an LN .
>>157458383
Dude, mangas that are drawn by someone else than written are nothing unusual. Death Note is one of most famous examples.
>>157457074
You have to do one simple, yet one of most difficult things. Find someone who draws that story for you. But before that you must still actually wrote that script. Without it, is everything pointless. Trust me. I'm talking from experience.
>>157458121
>No.
Then fuck off
>>157466383
>Is it all up to the artists to decide that?
Yes, unless the writer specifies.
>>157457074
You should start making a storyboard or rough sketch. You don't have to be good at drawing. Just match stick characters, lines and description.
Also you don't have to be Japanese to create manga.
Don't be discouraged by people who talk out of it. Follow your dream.
>Threads like this pop up every once in a while.
>It's just another idea's guy
>Finally bought scanner for uploading shit
>Make tiny art gains 1 to 4 hours a day while working
>Aiming to save 10k before quitting min wage job
>Relative gifted me $3k tablet
>Going to all in on my art skills cause it's the only thing I have
>Too stupid to be anything else
This ships already burning anons but it's too late to turn back now. This decision is so stupid I can't even put it into words or else I'd feel ashamed of telling anyone that I want to draw manga for a living and open up my own studio with assistant-san. Fuck I'm probably going to do aren't I? This is going to be a fun year, sorry for blog.
>>157457074
>>157474329
A tip. Learn to draw. Even if you're still pretty bad, bad sketches will make layouts better.
Also, a semantic point, a lot of people will argue until they're blue in the face on whether or not you can make 'manga', but that's missing the forest for the trees. Make your damn graphic-novel or comic, just make sure it's good because if I end up reading it and it's trash I'm going make a oneshot of someone burning down your house or something suitably fitting.
>>157466383
I don't know if all mangaka duos do it like this, but Ohba draws a rough draft first and then Obata draws the actual chapter based on the draft. The Bakuman volumes have a bunch of examples
>>157474430
Same boat but neet with absolutely no money. Hoping family hooks me up when I start my patreon later in the year.
>>157474430
Thanks to patreon you might be able to make it. And fakku sells western shit too.
>>157458383
>he doesn't know what a collaborative team is
It's pretty common in American comics although less so in Japanese manga. A lot of artists can't write for shit, Fairy Tail is a good example of that.
>>157458121
>I can't draw
>books don't interest me
then learn to fucking draw, fag!
I'm guessing you would just write the story. If you can't draw, remember that the artist is picking up the slack of the panel placement, the camera, angles, character design, etc. So just write the chapter and collaborate with the artist. Use some stick figures if you need visually convey an idea. However, this would all be easier if you could draw. You don't have to be fantastic, but its easier on your own.
Also, a word of advice. Know your audience when your writing your story. This means read the genre your writing for, and know the rules of your genre. If do that, then you'll have people that will actually read your manga. Also remember that good story telling means people can't stop reading your story, and they want the next chapter. It has nothing to do with actually having a "good", or complex story.
>>157466628
I'm a comic fag and this is what i do.
Only work script first when adapting a script i was hired to adapt.
>>157474430
Wow, you make being an artist sound like a great idea anon!
So how far did you get before realizing that OP was baiting?
>>157457074
So you're asking about composition?
Westerners "writing a manga" or trying to become mangaka are the cringiest thing in the world.
Good thing is most of them are 12 year old and will outgrow it soon.
>>157478177
DUDE
WEEBS
DUDE
CRINGE
>>157478177
>not wanting to break the stereotypes and become the first gaijin to publish a comic on a large jap magazine
I know OP is baiting, but you should try to get the katana out of your anus.
>>157474430
Show us an example of your art.
>>157458121
>Books don't interest me.
Good, that's the first stap towards drawing mannga. The second step is learning to draw.
>>157457074
Everything is completely worthless unless you have it down on paper. Ideas are dime a dozen, and people who think their raw ideas are worth anything are even more common. Even if you can't draw, you can still storyboard and do general concepts of panels. You'll need to pay someone to do the art, though. You will need your script written, and make your own pitches to artists or organizations. Frankly you'll need to be really lucky or already well connected as your writing is unproven and unknown.
>Always wanted to draw cute anime people and speculative architecture and technology designs
>Can even achieve this pathetically small dream because born with a brain condition so I have no visual imagination
>Not writing a WN and waiting for a publisher to create your manga for you
What episode is that scene from op? in the anime?
>>157480952
If OP, against all odds, actually has good ideas, he'd never get popular enough for that to work.
>>157479283
>become the first gaijin to publish a comic on a large jap magazine
Manga has been existing for decades, it's inconcievable that no gaijin tried to be first. Still there is no that first gaijin. Really makes you think.
>>157458260
chill. making manga shouldn't be exclusive to a country, as to how reading and enjoying it isn't exclusive to one country
>>157481091
Doesn't this count?
>>157481091
Yeah, for example, Boichi is Korean and is popular manga artist in Japan.
>>157481091
Japs are a pretty insular culture it's hard to climb ranks without tonnes of networking, and doing that as a baka gaijin is pretty hard. I'd guess that only a handful of people ever really got past the first few hurdles of grasping the language and building up native contacts as well as a respectable portfolio of work.
does anyone know what episode op pic is from in Monster?
>>157481200
>japanese comics aren't exclusive to a country
>>157481239
Shit cut this part out of the post. Even then becoming a mangaka isn't easy even for natives. It's not all too uncommon an aspiration and there are still only a small amount who make it to be pros, so it's understandable that such a small group of people (gaijins who want to draw manga) hasn't had any real success stories.
>>157479283
Already happened with Peepo Choo. If being published in Morning 2 ain't good enough for you. An American made oneshot got published in Shounen Jump.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2015/06/15-1/english-shonen-jump-to-run-folie-deux-one-shot-by-award-winning-american-creators
I'm getting ignore, I guess that is the internet for you.
Well fare well 4chan, just wanted to know what episode op pic was in
>>157457074
Isekai. That simple.
>>157461269
OPM
TLR
HSotD
And that one that's about constant sex that got a new chapter recently.
And that's just the top of my head.
>>157459637
Because you only know capeshit and other pop culture comics.
I mean Jesus you really (and I do mean this without any irony) can't call yourself a comic can if you can't name at least 50 non-cape comics
>>157457074
Stick with writing and finding and editor to help fix it. Then you can consider hiring an artist to draw light novel of your work. If it sells, more artist would be willing to make a comic/manga out of your established work.